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HOW MANY PARENTS ON THE ORG................. that feel Michael Jackson is innocent would let their male children spend the day or night with him.
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Ummm im not a parent but i called my mother yesterday to hear what she thought, and she was like many other parents and was pissed because she truly believes that he is a child molester. | |
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This is not a thread to ridicule anyone. I'm just curious.
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male or female, I wouldn't let my kids spend the night with MJ or any other entertainer, or anyone I didn't know,,,,,and certainly not in the person's bed, for God's sake. I wouldn't let my kids spend the day with MJ either.....or any other entertainer.....unless I was right there the whole time.
Its hard enough to be reasonably cautious with the rest of the world and our kids. To toss them into an obvious fire is just neglect and abuse itself. | |
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I, for one, wouldn't without being in attendance the entire time my child is on the property. That said, I'm not anywhere near like the mother of the accuser. Nor am I like MJ, who thinks it's okay to spend nights in a bed, alone, with a child.
Same goes for them sleeping with a woman. No doing. [Edited 6/14/05 10:03am] I am MrVictor.... | |
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My stepmom was convinced MJ was a molester BEFORE this trial.. I doubt her mind would be changed.
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I'm not a parent, but I cannot fathom how anyone would let their child sleep in the bed with an adult, especially a non-related adult. Even moreso when the person has been accused of molesting children. That speaks more to parenting than it does to MJ. But in reality, there are many pedophiles walking the streets because for the most part they are related to those they victimize and those actions are largely underreported. So before we go off on tangents about MJ getting off we need to come to terms with the fact that most pedophiles are usually related to their victims. Therefore we should be more worried about that possibility occuring in our daily lives instead of being concerned about some pop star we will never come into contact with. Why dont we all educate ourselves on the high rate and comission of these crimes in the real world, instead of sitting on our high horses when these high profile trials shed light on the subject. Everyone that is "outraged" or "feels that a child molester got off" in regards to this verdict will forget about this when the next distraction comes along. It's the nature of our shallow society, that seems to place importance on things when instead they are more reactionary than anything. The media plays into this too. [Edited 6/14/05 11:08am] | |
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: I'm not a parent, but I cannot fathom how anyone would let there child sleep in the bed with an adult, especially a non-related adult. Even moreso when the person has been accused of molesting children. That speaks more to parenting than it does to MJ. But in reality, there are many pedophiles walking the streets because for the most part they are related to those they victimize and those actions are largely underreported. So before we go off on tangents about MJ getting off we need to come to terms with the fact that most pedophiles are usually related to their victims. Therefore we should be more worried about that possibility occuring in our daily lives instead of being concerned about some pop star we will never come into contact with. Why dont we all educate ourselves on the high rate and comission of these crimes in the real world, instead of sitting on our high horses when these high profile trials shed light on the subject. Everyone that is "outraged" or "feels that a child molester got off" in regards to this verdict will forget about this when the next distraction comes along. It's the nature of our shallow society, that seems to place importance on things when instead they are more reactionary than anything. The media plays into this too.
[Edited 6/14/05 10:43am] I agree. Unfortunately, in my job, I have to deal with this subject a lot. M. MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits" | |
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: I'm not a parent, but I cannot fathom how anyone would let there child sleep in the bed with an adult, especially a non-related adult. Even moreso when the person has been accused of molesting children. That speaks more to parenting than it does to MJ. But in reality, there are many pedophiles walking the streets because for the most part they are related to those they victimize and those actions are largely underreported. So before we go off on tangents about MJ getting off we need to come to terms with the fact that most pedophiles are usually related to their victims. Therefore we should be more worried about that possibility occuring in our daily lives instead of being concerned about some pop star we will never come into contact with. Why dont we all educate ourselves on the high rate and comission of these crimes in the real world, instead of sitting on our high horses when these high profile trials shed light on the subject. Everyone that is "outraged" or "feels that a child molester got off" in regards to this verdict will forget about this when the next distraction comes along. It's the nature of our shallow society, that seems to place importance on things when instead they are more reactionary than anything. The media plays into this too.
I love you DPWC, but when you are a victim of such a thing and you become a parent, this distraction does not go away. I worry about my daughter every day of my life because one of my molesters was not related to me. When people on here spout that they cannot believe or they KNOW Michael couldn't do anything like this, I believe that is total and utter bullshit. To be perfectly honest with you, I want nothing more than to believe he didn't do it but I do not put it past anyone. I thought about this type of thing before it happened and when this case came to light with MJ for the second time, it made it easier to believe he could do such a thing. No one wants to believe someone could do such a thing, but anyone one of us could.[Edited 6/14/05 10:43am] | |
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Stymie said: DorothyParkerWasCool said: I'm not a parent, but I cannot fathom how anyone would let there child sleep in the bed with an adult, especially a non-related adult. Even moreso when the person has been accused of molesting children. That speaks more to parenting than it does to MJ. But in reality, there are many pedophiles walking the streets because for the most part they are related to those they victimize and those actions are largely underreported. So before we go off on tangents about MJ getting off we need to come to terms with the fact that most pedophiles are usually related to their victims. Therefore we should be more worried about that possibility occuring in our daily lives instead of being concerned about some pop star we will never come into contact with. Why dont we all educate ourselves on the high rate and comission of these crimes in the real world, instead of sitting on our high horses when these high profile trials shed light on the subject. Everyone that is "outraged" or "feels that a child molester got off" in regards to this verdict will forget about this when the next distraction comes along. It's the nature of our shallow society, that seems to place importance on things when instead they are more reactionary than anything. The media plays into this too.
I love you DPWC, but when you are a victim of such a thing and you become a parent, this distraction does not go away. I worry about my daughter every day of my life because one of my molesters was not related to me. When people on here spout that they cannot believe or they KNOW Michael couldn't do anything like this, I believe that is total and utter bullshit. To be perfectly honest with you, I want nothing more than to believe he didn't do it but I do not put it past anyone. I thought about this type of thing before it happened and when this case came to light with MJ for the second time, it made it easier to believe he could do such a thing. No one wants to believe someone could do such a thing, but anyone one of us could.[Edited 6/14/05 10:43am] I love what you said about "wanting to believe he didn't do it" etc. It just really freaks me out when people are absolutely sure he did it, or didn't do it. NONE OF US WERE THERE. You're right about people not believing that he could do it. What makes him exempt? Great discussion here. Thank you. This thread,SO FAR , shows how we don't have to get nasty to discuss sensitive subjects. m MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits" | |
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MIGUELGOMEZ said: DorothyParkerWasCool said: I'm not a parent, but I cannot fathom how anyone would let there child sleep in the bed with an adult, especially a non-related adult. Even moreso when the person has been accused of molesting children. That speaks more to parenting than it does to MJ. But in reality, there are many pedophiles walking the streets because for the most part they are related to those they victimize and those actions are largely underreported. So before we go off on tangents about MJ getting off we need to come to terms with the fact that most pedophiles are usually related to their victims. Therefore we should be more worried about that possibility occuring in our daily lives instead of being concerned about some pop star we will never come into contact with. Why dont we all educate ourselves on the high rate and comission of these crimes in the real world, instead of sitting on our high horses when these high profile trials shed light on the subject. Everyone that is "outraged" or "feels that a child molester got off" in regards to this verdict will forget about this when the next distraction comes along. It's the nature of our shallow society, that seems to place importance on things when instead they are more reactionary than anything. The media plays into this too.
[Edited 6/14/05 10:43am] I agree. Unfortunately, in my job, I have to deal with this subject a lot. M. So do I, I'm a psychologist and I counsel numerous patients that were victimized by their family members and they never told anyone. | |
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MIGUELGOMEZ said: Stymie said: I love you DPWC, but when you are a victim of such a thing and you become a parent, this distraction does not go away. I worry about my daughter every day of my life because one of my molesters was not related to me. When people on here spout that they cannot believe or they KNOW Michael couldn't do anything like this, I believe that is total and utter bullshit. To be perfectly honest with you, I want nothing more than to believe he didn't do it but I do not put it past anyone. I thought about this type of thing before it happened and when this case came to light with MJ for the second time, it made it easier to believe he could do such a thing. No one wants to believe someone could do such a thing, but anyone one of us could.
I love what you said about "wanting to believe he didn't do it" etc. It just really freaks me out when people are absolutely sure he did it, or didn't do it. NONE OF US WERE THERE. You're right about people not believing that he could do it. What makes him exempt? Great discussion here. Thank you. This thread,SO FAR , shows how we don't have to get nasty to discuss sensitive subjects. m Exactly! | |
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Stymie said: DorothyParkerWasCool said: I'm not a parent, but I cannot fathom how anyone would let there child sleep in the bed with an adult, especially a non-related adult. Even moreso when the person has been accused of molesting children. That speaks more to parenting than it does to MJ. But in reality, there are many pedophiles walking the streets because for the most part they are related to those they victimize and those actions are largely underreported. So before we go off on tangents about MJ getting off we need to come to terms with the fact that most pedophiles are usually related to their victims. Therefore we should be more worried about that possibility occuring in our daily lives instead of being concerned about some pop star we will never come into contact with. Why dont we all educate ourselves on the high rate and comission of these crimes in the real world, instead of sitting on our high horses when these high profile trials shed light on the subject. Everyone that is "outraged" or "feels that a child molester got off" in regards to this verdict will forget about this when the next distraction comes along. It's the nature of our shallow society, that seems to place importance on things when instead they are more reactionary than anything. The media plays into this too.
I love you DPWC, but when you are a victim of such a thing and you become a parent, this distraction does not go away. I worry about my daughter every day of my life because one of my molesters was not related to me. When people on here spout that they cannot believe or they KNOW Michael couldn't do anything like this, I believe that is total and utter bullshit. To be perfectly honest with you, I want nothing more than to believe he didn't do it but I do not put it past anyone. I thought about this type of thing before it happened and when this case came to light with MJ for the second time, it made it easier to believe he could do such a thing. No one wants to believe someone could do such a thing, but anyone one of us could.[Edited 6/14/05 10:43am] See that is a logical and objective opinion. Thank you! | |
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MIGUELGOMEZ said: that feel Michael Jackson is innocent would let their male children spend the day or night with him.
My son is almost 6 years old now. And the answer is "NO". But it would also be "no" for a sleep over at most other people, which I do not know and trust 100 percent. But that does in no way mean I believe, that MJ is guilty. I simply don't know that, and most likely I never will. Vanglorious... this is protected by the red, the black, and the green. With a key... sissy! | |
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Dancelot said: MIGUELGOMEZ said: that feel Michael Jackson is innocent would let their male children spend the day or night with him.
My son is almost 6 years old now. And the answer is "NO". But it would also be "no" for a sleep over at most other people, which I do not know and trust 100 percent. But that does in no way mean I believe, that MJ is guilty. I simply don't know that, and most likely I never will. 
My mother was the same way with us. She never let us sleep over with ANYONE because she said you never know what people do to children in those situations. I used to hate that but now I'm happy she did. | |
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One thing you all should discuss is the boundaries of a babysitter. | |
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Dancelot said: MIGUELGOMEZ said: that feel Michael Jackson is innocent would let their male children spend the day or night with him.
My son is almost 6 years old now. And the answer is "NO". But it would also be "no" for a sleep over at most other people, which I do not know and trust 100 percent. But that does in no way mean I believe, that MJ is guilty. I simply don't know that, and most likely I never will. Thank you for your comment. I agree. M MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits" | |
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MIGUELGOMEZ said: Great discussion here. Thank you. This thread,SO FAR , shows how we don't have to get nasty to discuss sensitive subjects. m You are right to put the words 'so far' in bold. Whenever it concerns MJ on the org, people can get nasty. | |
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seeing the title of this topic I knew it would be MJ related. But anyways thanks guys for keeping intelligent talks.
I wouldn´t let my child if I had some sleep with a foreigner. But at the same time whenever you hire a nanny or put your child in a nursery you do risk a lot as well. Kids get abused anywhere and by anyone. As for Mike - no evidence = innocent. Considering all the thousands of kids he came in contact with....it´s ridiculous. You all can play the game that I don´t KNOW MJ personally, but I don´t think that personal contact makes you REALLY know ppl. I don´t think you get to know for example your child´s teacher´s better than you get to know MJ. If you could no teacher or anyone like that wouldn´t be able to molest a kid and that´s not true as we all know. Anyways MJ himself seems to be rather vulnarable himself than a predator. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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CinisterCee said: One thing you all should discuss is the boundaries of a babysitter.
for real. | |
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One thing you all should discuss is the boundaries of a babysitter.
for real. you´ re right. You never know who those ppl are and I know that a LOT of ppl hire nannies. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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I'm not a parent but would say no to letting them stay there with him...especially unsupervised
If there's one thing that's come out of all this its that he is seriously and dangerously in need of help I feel sorry for him in that way:( | |
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I'm not a parent, I'm a whore. 
My two sisters have kids though. One of my sisters thinks he's guilty and the other one thinks he's innocent. Both of them have said they would never let their kids near Michael Jackson. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Stymie said: DorothyParkerWasCool said: I'm not a parent, but I cannot fathom how anyone would let there child sleep in the bed with an adult, especially a non-related adult. Even moreso when the person has been accused of molesting children. That speaks more to parenting than it does to MJ. But in reality, there are many pedophiles walking the streets because for the most part they are related to those they victimize and those actions are largely underreported. So before we go off on tangents about MJ getting off we need to come to terms with the fact that most pedophiles are usually related to their victims. Therefore we should be more worried about that possibility occuring in our daily lives instead of being concerned about some pop star we will never come into contact with. Why dont we all educate ourselves on the high rate and comission of these crimes in the real world, instead of sitting on our high horses when these high profile trials shed light on the subject. Everyone that is "outraged" or "feels that a child molester got off" in regards to this verdict will forget about this when the next distraction comes along. It's the nature of our shallow society, that seems to place importance on things when instead they are more reactionary than anything. The media plays into this too.
I love you DPWC, but when you are a victim of such a thing and you become a parent, this distraction does not go away. I worry about my daughter every day of my life because one of my molesters was not related to me. When people on here spout that they cannot believe or they KNOW Michael couldn't do anything like this, I believe that is total and utter bullshit. To be perfectly honest with you, I want nothing more than to believe he didn't do it but I do not put it past anyone. I thought about this type of thing before it happened and when this case came to light with MJ for the second time, it made it easier to believe he could do such a thing. No one wants to believe someone could do such a thing, but anyone one of us could.[Edited 6/14/05 10:43am] I love ya, stymie, my sista  | |
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I'd be more than willing to send my goddamn neighbours' brats over to his house for a vacation. | |
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Novabreaker said: I'd be more than willing to send my goddamn neighbours' brats over to his house for a vacation.  Andy is a four letter word. | |
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