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PrintableLuv4oneanotha said: superspaceboy said: BTW...does anyone know if the family is seeking any monetary value for this or from MJ? Would MJ counter with all that he has given them so far?
A civil suit was filed the day the charges where sent...
Or is this going to go to a civil case (i.e. OJ) and that is where they can seek punitive damages? Or does this end with him going to jail or not going to jail. I recall the family are not the plaintiffs that the State is. Does anyone know what the deal is...and what the family stands to gain in all of this? if they win the case... they could recieve at least 5 million in punitive damages... depending on what their demands are tec... Gavin Claimed he didn't know about the civil suit... mmm Attorney Mess trapped with that because he has the filing documents to the civil suit If jackson wins he can counter sue for mental traauma etc... He could also sue some british tabloids for slander etc... 5 million doesnt seem like a lot of money...at least not in this case. I mean would you take on MJ like that for 5 million? | |
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Ok here's a few questions...
1) Do you think MJ has/had the financial capacity to do what ever he wants? And get away with it. We all saw OJ's trial and many think that money is the reason he got away with it. 2)If there has been a pattern and the kids have been shut up, why hasn't anyone broken silence to end what he is supposedly doing? If I was one of the other kids...even though I got money...I'd be really pissed and scared for anyone under his watch. 3)Why doen MJ continue to get these allegations against him. I mean after the first 2, Wouldn't he think really hard before letting any kids or thier parents near him. This really perplexes me. 4)Why does he befriend boys in a very personal manner? Why not girls? Or are there girls who have hung out with him too? | |
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TwinkleBitch said: Ok here's a few questions...
3)Why doen MJ continue to get these allegations against him. I mean after the first 2, Wouldn't he think really hard before letting any kids or thier parents near him. This really perplexes me. Michael Jackson is a very naive person. He doesn't expect betrayal from children, meaning that greedy parents who wants his money will take advantage of him. 4)Why does he befriend boys in a very personal manner? Why not girls? Or are there girls who have hung out with him too? Only Michael himself can answer that question. | |
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TwinkleBitch said: OK, So Mike is a happy healthy normal human with no issues what-so-ever. 
Are we all so blind that we can't see the boy needs a little help...maybe just a little? I mean come on. I don't think he's insane or anything...more eccentric probably than anything else. But there is clearly some sort of Adult regression going on, where he is like a 10 yr old. And for someone who is 46 and has 3 kids he takes care of himself, he needs to start acting his age for once. I will try to keep the MJ mental issues to a minimum. However please don't smack me if I stray.   [Edited 3/16/05 23:58pm] | |
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K, So Mike is a happy healthy normal human with no issues what-so-ever.
Are we all so blind that we can't see the boy needs a little help...maybe just a little? I mean come on. I don't think he's insane or anything...more eccentric probably than anything else. But there is clearly some sort of Adult regression going on, where he is like a 10 yr old. And for someone who is 46 and has 3 kids he takes care of himself, he needs to start acting his age for once. I think he´s acting his own age as well, As Quincy once said: "He acts like an adolescent, but at the same time as an old wise philosopher." You know, the media will always pick only on that child-like side to him. I don´t think that a person who is different is entitled to therapy? Why? TO make him what everybody else is? It is funny thought guys that you guys can see past Prince´s eccentricities and see him as a normal guy who just likes acting eccentric and aren´t able to see that in MIke. Cause believe it or not, MOST ppl that I know believe that Prince is not normal as well. You can´t convince them. And that is the case with non-MJ fans as well. It is impossible convince them that he could be normal. 4)Why does he befriend boys in a very personal manner? Why not girls? Or are there girls who have hung out with him too?
I think for him as a man who likes to hang around with kids it is more natural to be around guys than girls? What should we do with them? Play with dolls? Well anyways, it´s not just boys he surrounds himself with. 
3)Why doen MJ continue to get these allegations against him. I mean after the first 2, Wouldn't he think really hard before letting any kids or thier parents near him. This really perplexes me.
Michael Jackson is a very naive person. He doesn't expect betrayal from children, meaning that greedy parents who wants his money will take advantage of him. true and you can get money from him! Most ppl are not lucky to earn few milions. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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namepeace said: I said we needed to wait for the evidence to be introduced. So it is being introduced now, and I see this trial progressing further and further into the realm of reasonable doubt. Barring other evidence, or a surprise, I think MJ's fans and friends should prepare to advise him to take the following steps.
1. Stay. 2. Away. 3. From. 4. Them. 5. Boys. 6. Forever. 7. Repeat steps 1-6 every day. His family and friends should intervene if necessary,and put an end to this madness.NO MORE SLEEPOVERS! | |
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dag said: K, So Mike is a happy healthy normal human with no issues what-so-ever.
Are we all so blind that we can't see the boy needs a little help...maybe just a little? I mean come on. I don't think he's insane or anything...more eccentric probably than anything else. But there is clearly some sort of Adult regression going on, where he is like a 10 yr old. And for someone who is 46 and has 3 kids he takes care of himself, he needs to start acting his age for once. I think he´s acting his own age as well, As Quincy once said: "He acts like an adolescent, but at the same time as an old wise philosopher." You know, the media will always pick only on that child-like side to him. I don´t think that a person who is different is entitled to therapy? Why? TO make him what everybody else is? It is funny thought guys that you guys can see past Prince´s eccentricities and see him as a normal guy who just likes acting eccentric and aren´t able to see that in MIke. Cause believe it or not, MOST ppl that I know believe that Prince is not normal as well. You can´t convince them. And that is the case with non-MJ fans as well. It is impossible convince them that he could be normal. I think for him as a man who likes to hang around with kids it is more natural to be around guys than girls? What should we do with them? Play with dolls? Well anyways, it´s not just boys he surrounds himself with.
3)Why doen MJ continue to get these allegations against him. I mean after the first 2, Wouldn't he think really hard before letting any kids or thier parents near him. This really perplexes me.
Michael Jackson is a very naive person. He doesn't expect betrayal from children, meaning that greedy parents who wants his money will take advantage of him. true and you can get money from him! Most ppl are not lucky to earn few milions. No, no, no, no, no, no, no dag. When you show a pic of Mikey with a girl it has to be a non-publicity pic, OK? And actually, I want pics of Michael with the tween girlies at his sleepovers. Those are harder to find than a good track on Invincible. | |
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VoicesCarry said: Those are harder to find than a good track on Invincible.
Fuck! Aren't you over that yet? Just throw your copy away. Or send it to me. I'll play it in my tractor.  | |
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Cloudbuster said: VoicesCarry said: Those are harder to find than a good track on Invincible.
Fuck! Aren't you over that yet? Just throw your copy away. Or send it to me. I'll play it in my tractor. I won't be over that joke until you're over the whole "Tori-is-a-Kate-clone" thing, which will be never. Aight? | |
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Cloudbuster said: VoicesCarry said: Those are harder to find than a good track on Invincible.
Fuck! Aren't you over that yet? Just throw your copy away. Or send it to me. I'll play it in my tractor. you've got a tractor too now?  and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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IstenSzek said: Cloudbuster said: Fuck! Aren't you over that yet? Just throw your copy away. Or send it to me. I'll play it in my tractor. you've got a tractor too now? I thought he sold it to Christopher....  | |
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VoicesCarry said: Cloudbuster said: Fuck! Aren't you over that yet? Just throw your copy away. Or send it to me. I'll play it in my tractor.
I won't be over that joke until you're over the whole "Tori-is-a-Kate-clone" thing, which will be never. Aight? There's other peeps here that trip on that far more than I do.
And the only real joke is that I once posted my own configuration of Invincible and you said "Sans 2000 Watts, that's a pretty decent tracklisting". | |
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IstenSzek said: you've got a tractor too now?
I'm aspiring to become 2the9s. He's my god.
VoicesCarry said: I thought he sold it to Christopher....
Nah! He's more of a helicopter kinda guy. | |
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Cloudbuster said: VoicesCarry said: I won't be over that joke until you're over the whole "Tori-is-a-Kate-clone" thing, which will be never. Aight? There's other peeps here that trip on that far more than I do.
And the only real joke is that I once posted my own configuration of Invincible and you said "Sans 2000 Watts, that's a pretty decent tracklisting". Yes, decent for a trash compactor. Otherwise it is only decent for a toxic waste dump. Much like Michael's makeup and suppositories. | |
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VoicesCarry said: Yes, decent for a trash compactor.
Otherwise it is only decent for a toxic waste dump. Much like Michael's makeup and suppositories. It's good for plastering walls. | |
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Cloudbuster said: VoicesCarry said: Yes, decent for a trash compactor.
Otherwise it is only decent for a toxic waste dump. Much like Michael's makeup and suppositories. It's good for plastering walls. But the smell, it lingers..... | |
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VoicesCarry said: But the smell, it lingers.....
You give me butterflies. | |
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TwinkleBitch said: Luv4oneanotha said: A civil suit was filed the day the charges where sent...
if they win the case... they could recieve at least 5 million in punitive damages... depending on what their demands are tec... Gavin Claimed he didn't know about the civil suit... mmm Attorney Mess trapped with that because he has the filing documents to the civil suit If jackson wins he can counter sue for mental traauma etc... He could also sue some british tabloids for slander etc... 5 million doesnt seem like a lot of money...at least not in this case. I mean would you take on MJ like that for 5 million? i dunno maybe you've seen 5 million dollars, i know i havent! 5 million is the minimum, etc... it really depends on the demands of the accusers, these people are scavengers, they'll take anything they can get... if they get too much money a trial court will most likely call a mistrial.. If im not mistaken, Evan Chandler, Jordy's Father asked for a 20 million dollar pay out for a movie deal he wanted to finish... When mj organized the settlement he was smart cause he put the money in the kids trust fun so evan couldn't touch it without jordy's permission, Evan got i think 2 million, he blew all that shyt real quick hired a scandalous journalist named Victor Guiterez to write a book, and make some more money! sadly victor publication was stopped, and theirs only like a good 500 copies around Evan i believe also tried to get money from The History Album because he claimed Jackson violated the agreemenet with songs like "They Don't Care About Us, This Time Around, and Money" He demands where half of the profits of history in compensation for mental trauma Evan lost the suit, and a judge barred anytpe of publication about the case in 97 until the 10 year shelf life finishes... Jordy's family primarily the father tried pretty much to get as much as they can. The current family, i don't think its just about money... least not anymore in light of new evidence. I think MJ turned his back on them and they decided to stab him in the back for it... i think monetary gain is secondary! Evan chandler knew if he went to trial he wasn't going to win This is quite different | |
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I can't wait 4 the day when were actually discussing Micheal's music again.
I'm tired of all this negative shit and court cases, blah, blah, blah!!! Like steriods with baseball...FUCK! Can we just go back to the 80's? | |
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goat2004 said: I can't wait 4 the day when were actually discussing Micheal's music again.
Couldn't agree more, man. I love discussing his work.  | |
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OH MY GOD!!!
Jurors See Michael Jackson's Porn Collection Wed Mar 16, 2005 08:46 PM ET Printer Friendly | Email Article | Reprints | RSS Powered By FeedRoom Systems Jackson Trial Moving Along Top News Congress to Hear from Baseball Players Rice Visit to Afghanistan Marred by Bomb in South Syria Withdraws Up to 6,000 Troops from Lebanon MORE By Dan Whitcomb SANTA MARIA, Calif. (Reuters) - Jurors in Michael Jackson's child molestation trial on Wednesday saw pornographic magazines, DVDs and books that were seized from the pop star's bedroom and could bolster the testimony of his young accuser. Although prosecutors did not link the sexually explicit material directly to their case against Jackson, the accuser and his brother have said the 46-year-old entertainer showed them pornography in his bedroom. According to three police witnesses, the material was found in two briefcases in Jackson's bedroom, a box at the foot of his bed, a nightstand, a plastic bag, a computer case next to his bathroom sink, on the edge of his Jacuzzi-style bathtub, in a bathroom closet and stacked on a television. It included magazines -- with titles such as "Barely Legal" and "Teenage" -- which feature young women meant to appear underage, along with more mainstream publications such as "Penthouse" and erotic books by well-known photographers. Most of the magazines and videotapes featured grown women, but Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Deputy Karen Shepherd testified to finding a book titled "Camp Cove, Photos of Sydney Men," and another titled "Dress up: Playacts and Fantasies of Childhood." Among the videotapes seized in the police raid was one titled "Believe It or Not," which promised a variety of unusual sex acts. On cross-examination by Jackson defense attorney Robert Sanger, each of the police witnesses agreed the material was legal to possess and that the singer's young accuser had not remembered seeing any particular magazine or DVD. In fact, the officers conceded, some of the magazines and DVDs were not published or released until after the young boy and his family left Jackson's Neverland Valley Ranch for the last time in March 2003. In one instance, Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Detective Victor Alvarez was unable to confirm the release date of a DVD in late March 2003 because the print on the label was too small -- until Jackson lent him his reading glasses from his seat at the defense table. The entertainer, who came to court dressed in an electric blue jacket, satin pants, an aquamarine vest and waist chain, is charged with molesting a then 13-year-old boy in February or March 2003. He is also accused of plying the boy with alcohol in order to abuse him and conspiring to commit child abduction, extortion and false imprisonment. Jackson, who has pleaded innocent, faces more than two decades in prison if he is convicted on all 10 criminal counts. Earlier on Wednesday, a police detective testified Jackson's young accuser told police he thought the singer had molested him five to seven times but could only remember the details of two occasions. Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Sgt. Steve Robel said the boy became withdrawn when he first told police about the alleged abuse, adding: "He became very, very quiet, folded his arms and sunk down in the chair. At one point in time he got a little choked up." © Reuters 2005. All Rights Reserved. Space for sale... | |
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I want MJ's porn. | |
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gee...y'think he could do a better job at hiding the stuff.  | |
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he got a lil chocked up?
i would too if i had a mans cock in my mouth.. Space for sale... | |
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I thought Michael would have been more of "50+" guy than "Barely Legal"-type. Considering Liz Taylor and other women he has befriended. But he sure has tried all kinds of porn I must say.
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dag said: I think he´s acting his own age as well, As Quincy once said: "He acts like an adolescent, but at the same time as an old wise philosopher." You know, the media will always pick only on that child-like side to him. I don´t think that a person who is different is entitled to therapy? Why? TO make him what everybody else is? It is funny thought guys that you guys can see past Prince´s eccentricities and see him as a normal guy who just likes acting eccentric and aren´t able to see that in MIke. Cause believe it or not, MOST ppl that I know believe that Prince is not normal as well. You can´t convince them. And that is the case with non-MJ fans as well. It is impossible convince them that he could be normal. I think for him as a man who likes to hang around with kids it is more natural to be around guys than girls? What should we do with them? Play with dolls? Well anyways, it´s not just boys he surrounds himself with.
It is funny thought guys that you guys can see past Prince´s eccentricities We're talking about MJ here. Yes P his his own issues...I never said he doesn't, but his issues lie in OTHER areas that don't involve children. Nor does he have children to take care of. Big difference. I think for him as a man who likes to hang around with kids it is more natural to be around guys than girls? What should we do with them? Play with dolls? You did not just say that! He should be more of a parental figure around the kids...and it should include boys and girls. Dolls??? That's sort of sexist. I am sure there are PLENTY of things to do at Neverland other than play with dolls. Your comment about him about it being more natural...IF HE WAS A 10 YEAR OLD!!!! And he is not!
And thanks for the publicity pic from the 80's (it seems). But do we KNOW of any girls he befriended and had over on weekends and such? Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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Cloudbuster said: goat2004 said: I can't wait 4 the day when were actually discussing Micheal's music again.
Couldn't agree more, man. I love discussing his work. What work? Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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sosgemini said: OH MY GOD!!!
Jurors See Michael Jackson's Porn Collection Wed Mar 16, 2005 08:46 PM ET Printer Friendly | Email Article | Reprints | RSS Powered By FeedRoom Systems Jackson Trial Moving Along Top News Congress to Hear from Baseball Players Rice Visit to Afghanistan Marred by Bomb in South Syria Withdraws Up to 6,000 Troops from Lebanon MORE By Dan Whitcomb SANTA MARIA, Calif. (Reuters) - Jurors in Michael Jackson's child molestation trial on Wednesday saw pornographic magazines, DVDs and books that were seized from the pop star's bedroom and could bolster the testimony of his young accuser. Although prosecutors did not link the sexually explicit material directly to their case against Jackson, the accuser and his brother have said the 46-year-old entertainer showed them pornography in his bedroom. According to three police witnesses, the material was found in two briefcases in Jackson's bedroom, a box at the foot of his bed, a nightstand, a plastic bag, a computer case next to his bathroom sink, on the edge of his Jacuzzi-style bathtub, in a bathroom closet and stacked on a television. It included magazines -- with titles such as "Barely Legal" and "Teenage" -- which feature young women meant to appear underage, along with more mainstream publications such as "Penthouse" and erotic books by well-known photographers. Most of the magazines and videotapes featured grown women, but Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Deputy Karen Shepherd testified to finding a book titled "Camp Cove, Photos of Sydney Men," and another titled "Dress up: Playacts and Fantasies of Childhood." Among the videotapes seized in the police raid was one titled "Believe It or Not," which promised a variety of unusual sex acts. On cross-examination by Jackson defense attorney Robert Sanger, each of the police witnesses agreed the material was legal to possess and that the singer's young accuser had not remembered seeing any particular magazine or DVD. In fact, the officers conceded, some of the magazines and DVDs were not published or released until after the young boy and his family left Jackson's Neverland Valley Ranch for the last time in March 2003. In one instance, Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Detective Victor Alvarez was unable to confirm the release date of a DVD in late March 2003 because the print on the label was too small -- until Jackson lent him his reading glasses from his seat at the defense table. The entertainer, who came to court dressed in an electric blue jacket, satin pants, an aquamarine vest and waist chain, is charged with molesting a then 13-year-old boy in February or March 2003. He is also accused of plying the boy with alcohol in order to abuse him and conspiring to commit child abduction, extortion and false imprisonment. Jackson, who has pleaded innocent, faces more than two decades in prison if he is convicted on all 10 criminal counts. Earlier on Wednesday, a police detective testified Jackson's young accuser told police he thought the singer had molested him five to seven times but could only remember the details of two occasions. Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Sgt. Steve Robel said the boy became withdrawn when he first told police about the alleged abuse, adding: "He became very, very quiet, folded his arms and sunk down in the chair. At one point in time he got a little choked up." © Reuters 2005. All Rights Reserved. CHRIST THATS ALOT OF PORN! Mj's one of those pornoholics eh | |
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no dag. When you show a pic of Mikey with a girl it has to be a non-publicity pic, OK? And actually, I want pics of Michael with the tween girlies at his sleepovers. Those are harder to find than a good track on Invincible.
Hey, there is one. I remember pictures from one private videotape that got illegaly realeased and there was MJ being silly with 2 boys around and one girl. She must have been about 12 or so. If I find it, I´ll sent it over here. You did not just say that! He should be more of a parental figure around the kids...and it should include boys and girls. Dolls??? That's sort of sexist. I am sure there are PLENTY of things to do at Neverland other than play with dolls. Your comment about him about it being more natural...IF HE WAS A 10 YEAR OLD!!!! And he is not!
well, what I meant was that guys usually like to hang around guys, right? Watch his home movies and you´ll see that he´s just a prankster. I can see what nature is his relationship with them. We're talking about MJ here. Yes P his his own issues...I never said he doesn't, but his issues lie in OTHER areas that don't involve children. Nor does he have children to take care of. Big difference.
Sorry I didn´t want to bring P here cause I know there´s huge thread on it here as well, but I had to to make my point. I don´t think it actually matters in what way you are different. We should just learn to respect those differences. I know that he´s on trial concerning kids, but so far all that this trial has proven was that it made no sence at all. I can´t believe all that porn.  Anyways it just shows that MJ would be more likely a womenizer than a pedophile. Well I´ve seen him actually flirt with women, so why the hell am I surprised? Anyways I don´t think he´s either of those two, but he sure likes women though!  "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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So, another day, another suit:
 "It's better 2 B hated 4 what U R than 2 B loved 4 what U R not."
My IQ is 139, what's yours? | |
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