When C & D came out I liked it and still do, I thought it sounded like a Revolution album, execpt for I Rock what's the problem? I would have rather had I rock replace Jam of the year. I ,ock,Jam of the year Positivity and Life of the party are all tracks that under achieved.

But take a look at the track list and you tell me the problem you have with each track, here's how I feel about them.


-Chaos And Disorder: Hendrix wouldn't be mad at this one.

I Like It There: electrically raw and fun to play load.

-Dinner With Delores: I love these smooth vocals and groovey chords,wish McCarthy would cover this one.

-The Same December: I Liked this one after I saw the Video,but yeah,somehow it sounds sloppy.

-Right The Wrong: O. K ,it's a little silly somehow this could have been better.

-Zannalee: I love this one! Hate to admit it but it's a good stripper track.
( I once saw a dance to Endorphin machine that I'll never forget!)

-I Rock, Therefore I. Am: It's the best of the ones I already listed. it's psudeo.

-Into The Light/I Will: these 2 are nothing like he's' ever done and stand alone, what's not to like?

-Dig U. Better Dead: If U base your dislike for this CD on this track, then you have a case, but one track can't kill the whole thing!

-Had U: this blew me away! Wish he let the ending carry on a little longer.
but only prince could summarize an encounter with such bitter sweet creativity!

All I can say is it's better than,Come,Diamonds and pearls and Graffiti Bridge.

Snake said:

are you kidding? I don't know why diamonds and pearls is so underated, i was just thinkin about that today, come on, it's got Cream, Get Off, Money Don't Matter 2 night, and Diamonds and Pearls, i even like thunder, that's not a bad ratio for a P CD.

Graffiti Bridge is generally weak, but I'd take it b4 C&D simply because it has 2 of my ALL TIME FAVE P songs, joy in repetition and the question of U

No, we don't all really hate it. THERE HAVE BEEN A BILLION THREADS STATING THAT!

But the fact remains, two songs really suck: Dig U Better and Eye Rock.

The rest are gems, in my opinion.

-Chaos And Disorder: Great rock song

I Like It There: not 1 of my favs but listenable

-Dinner With Delores: Love the video and the song... very obscure

-The Same December:My fav song on the album

-Right The Wrong: Could this be Prince's worst song ever?? I think so

-Zannalee: 2 Predictable and horrible

-I Rock, Therefore I. Am: Could this be the best song on the album? I think so

-Into The Light/I Will: as my friend sam says "very much i like"

-Dig U. Better Dead: LOVE THIS TRAK

-Had U: This would have to tie for best song on the album... its like 20 seconds of bliss... this is my orgasm on the album!

First of all:
"Chaos and Disorder" doesn't sound like a Revolution Album.
The Revolution was FUNKY! Although there are a lot of rock oriented Revolution tracks, the FUNK is still underneath it.

Rock implies something with rawness, a kiss-my-ass attitude ...
"Choas and Disorder" is no rock album .... it's no Funk album ....
IT'S A SHITTY ALBUM
Rock for teenage girls and wankers.

Prince ... if you wanna make a rock album: you're 20 years too late to be a rebel anymore.
Just like you couldn't make a second "Dirty Mind" anymore, you can't decide to be a Rock-star.

ROCK:
LED ZEPPELIN
THE RAMONES
NIRVANA
ALICE IN CHAINS
THE DEFTONES
THE WHITE STRIPES
and so on ... and so on ...

Why would we need another wankers-rock album?
We've already got Bon Jovi and Brian Adams!

Prince's rock is way too smooth
he doesn't know how to abuse a guitar anymore ....
he's growing to the technical shit, loosing the funk / rock attitude

ThataintFunky said:[quote]First of all:
"Chaos and Disorder" doesn't sound like a Revolution Album.
The Revolution was FUNKY! Although there are a lot of rock oriented Revolution tracks, the FUNK is still underneath it.

The Revolution, to borrow from your name, ain't funky. What little funk that came out during their time came mostly from Prince. The melodies and songwriting were strong during their time though.

I do agree that Prince's rock is too smoothed out in general. I don't know about some of those cats you named but Led Zeppelin is the epitome of the rock band and Hendrix the quintessential rocker because they kept it raw. I like what I've heard from The White Stripes for the same reason. Nevertheless, I love Chaos and Disorder because of songs like I Like It There, which is the essence of Prince-rock. Sometimes smooth works.

No Eye don't hate this album. I just bought it back and have been playing the hell outta it

since then. It is very short though. Under 40 minutes.

I love the title track, I like it there, Dinner with Delores, I will and Zanalee.

As for the rest of it I think the music itself especially the horns on those other tracks r great.

NO we don't hate it.

C&D is a great album.

Sure it has it's minor flaws what Prince album doesn't.

Along with The Undertaker this is easily the closest we've got to a raw rock sound from Prince.

Anything the Revolution were involved in doesn't compare. They may have played on some funky tracks but none that rocked like C&D.

And surely nobody is trying to compare Prince to Alice in Chains!!! - that ain't working.

Layne Staley RIP.

I certainly don't 'hate' Chaos And Disorder, but it should be viewed in the same way as
'The Vault...Old Friends 4 Sale' and 'Crystal Ball'. It's a collection of outtakes and shouldn't
be regarded as a 'proper' album. It was only released to fulfill his contract so he could get
away from WB. If Prince and WB hadn't fallen out (or had worked out their differences amicably)
then it would never have been released. The following albums were all 'contract filling' releases...

Come
"The Black Album"
Chaos And Disorder
The Vault...Old Friends 4 Sale
The Very Best Of Prince

BorisFishpaw said:

I don't think the Very Best of Prince was contract filler, he was long out of his contract by then. I think warner owns the rights to those songs and could release that with or without his blessing.

OK,

The Vault, yes, that is a mis-match of an album clearly thrown together but...

Chaos & Disorder sounds to me like the finished article, all the songs sound like they were produced around the same time & the track-listing works really well.

I think it is the MOST under-rated album by Prince EVER!

Just stick it in the player, crank up the volume & REALLY listen, it's a GEM!

Y'All Know I Speaker Da True

Jolajeph

I don't think C&D was contract filler either.

I understand COME. BLACK, THE VAULT and GIRL 6 being called contract filler though.

Wasn't most of C&D recorded quickly that same year, 1996, in Miami?

I love this album, man, you are not alone

I love this album, man, you are not alone

Come, Chaos And Disorder, The Black Album, The Vault...Old Friends 4 Sale & The Very Best Of
Prince are all 'contract filling albums', Prince has said so himself.

That's not to say that there are not some very good tracks on these albums, cuz there are.
But the bottom line is that if Prince and WB hadn't fallen out, these albums would never have
been released, and that's a fact. I'm sure some of the songs on these albums would have
surfaced in some form, but the albums (as released) would not have existed.

MamaLisa said:[quote]-
-Right The Wrong: Could this be Prince's worst song ever?? I think so
quote]

No f-in way!! This song is disliked merely because its slightly country ( hmm... I guess you'd call that country???). Whats wrong with something different every once in a while??

I've said this on other threads - IMHO Chaos & Disorder *could* have been a very good album with the inclusion of two tracks from the same(ish) era - The Ride, Empty Room 95 (he even shot video for this that segues from a video for Zanalee!) plus the removal of that awful rap from I Rock Therefore I am (cause with that gone it ain't such a bad track).

mrdespues said:

I completely agree with this statement. Also, just to set the record straight. We don't ALL hate NPS either.

KAB said:

It pretty much says so on the liner notes for C & D.

"Originally intended 4 private use only, this compilation serves as the last original material recorded by [Prince] 4 warner brothers records..."

It may very well have been recorded quickly...as a quick contract filler.

LAProducer said:

I'm somewhat confused by the agreement on this thread that the Black Album was filler to finish up the contract. Yes it was released as part of a package of albums Prince agreed could be used to fulfill his obligation...same for the Hits/Bsides...he didn't want either released but it was a way to use up 4 cd's off the contracted amount and bring things to a close asap.
That said, The Black Album was written in '87...long before the contract dispute and was not written in a quick attempt to "fill" his obligation. These were songs he worked on during a very productive period and though decided he didn't want it released at the time (or ever for that matter) he definately was trying to give his best effort at the time he produced this particular album.

I'd like to hear thoughts from others as to why they fill this album fits the same "filler" mode as the others it's mentioned with.

Personally, I like C&D. At the time, it seemed like a natural extension of TGE and some of the other stuff he was doing at the time, some of which showed up on CB.

Imagine if he had included Calhoun Square, Interactive, Da Bang, What's My Name, Empty Room and the original 5 Women on that album! I also prefer the origional version of Zannalee, without the overproduction and silly "fargo" voice.

I'll agree that it's not all that cohesive, in that most of the songs on the 2nd half of the album don't really belong.

For me, I still love to put on "I Like It There" and turn it up LOUD!!

When was it decided that "Dig U Better Dead" is a bad track. Personally, I regard it higher than anything on "Emancipation"!

Novabreaker said:

One of my favorites as well...

Not sure if I regard it higher than anything on Emancipation, but, to each his (or her) own

The songs "The Same December" and "Had U" make C&D a worthwhile album to have, in my opinion. "Had U" is haunting.
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Zannalee cracks me up...and it ROCKS.....I heard he tore it up on the Today show one summer with it....Right the Wrong makes me laugh too....Prince never bores me. Overrall, I don't much care for the whole cd, but find it worthwhile for Zannalee, I Will, Dinner With Delores... it's just different.

I love it!

PRINCE's style of guitar rock is definately his own, we've known that from the start.

I love all the tracks, altho' "I Rock" is a deceiving title, becoz it doesn't really rock.

"Dig U Better Dead" is cool, but loses the rock feel as well.

"Chaos", "I Like It There", "Same December" and "Zannalee" all ROCK! and r some of his best guitar work of the 90s, no other album in that period has 4 slammin' ROCK tracks like that, unless u count "The Undertaker" video which is awesome.

"R".

Who says I didn't like Chaos & Disorder? I think it's one of the greatest and most underrated albums Prince has ever made.

For a contract-filling album, Chaos and Disorder is actually really good. More guitar driven, a shorter listen and he sounds like he's having a great time. The album flows well as a whole in my opinion. Definitely underrated.

New Power Soul I like too, in obviously different ways, and I bought it new for a dollar (from overstock.com) so I wouldn't have lost much money if I hadn't. Better than I thought it'd be given what I read on the org. Some people seem to think it's the second coming of the apocalypse.

These two aren't for everybody, but I think they're definitely worth a listen. Your own ears are always the best judge for yourself. I think much of Prince's work falls under that blanket of "he's not doing the same sound when I got into him" so people already have a grudge going into it.

I think the best thing you can do for your own sake as a listener in general is to try to be as open-minded as possible when hearing an album-he does things for himself and always has-I don't expect anything otherwise. I don't like everything he does, and no one should have to/be expected to, but you're cheating yourself if you avoid something based on someone else's opinion.

RonnyRon2000 said:

I've played it all the way through three times in the last eight years - the third and last time after reading this thread. You know what? It's still crap.