Tell me what Happened Exactly cause I told you I wasn't around from 1999 to 2002. Tell me about the Celebrations? All, I have to say is Let God or Your Higher Power or Diety Judge. I look at if a person is Good Or Not Not Their SEXUALITY. In the Bible Aren't There Examples Of HOMOSEXUALITY? I THINK Yes,There is.....Listen, I Like Guys and I Like Girls. I see Nothing Wrong with 2 PEOPLE who ARE IN LOVE! I Don't JUDGE! Shouldn't DIFFERENT STROKES For DIFFERENT FOLKS apply here?

Larry's nothing more than a has-been who USED Prince to get back on the big stage and get exposure for his shitty music. He pushed all the right buttons cuz he had Prince by the grapes.

whodknee said:

problem?

Yes you are an UTTER MORON for believing that shit in the first place. Believing a book written 2000 years ago rather than using your own common sense, and then having the cheek to write peace at the end of your comment. How can something that a person has no choice over (from birth) be considered a sin?

I've said it b4 and i'll say it again : Larry is to Prince, what Yoko was to John, what Don was to Mike and what George W is to america... just bad fuckin news

spoida said:

A rare quality, not only @ prince.org, so it seems.

Most of you obviously have no clue what you're really talking about.
It's very easy to have an opinion, but what's its based on?

The point is that because humanity is 'using its own common sense' we're living in the world as we know it. And it's a huuuge succes, isn't it!?

I've read the news today, oh boy....

Wake up people!!

so you have to have the bible at hand to refer to before you make a decision? my opinion on this issue is based upon the fact that homosexuality is from birth, not a choice.

i can critisise people because of the choices they make (like you on this issue) but not those that are part of themselves from birth. so would you say it is a sin for people to have ginger hair (genetic) if the bible said so?

i am waiting now for the argument to move onto gay lifestyle instead of human sexuality.

chiltonmusic said:

Huh? If u don't believe in Christianity?

Nobody can say that! I know Christianity exists. The fact that we're on this thread arguing this thrilling argument proves it.

I also believe in the teachings of the Bible. I've seen this book and it does indeed contain what u could call 'teachings'.

Now Father Xmas I don't believe in because there's no such guy - just mortals dressed in Father Xmas suits.

fauxnewbie said:

classic!

spoida said:

You buy a camcorder. Do you throw away the manual?
You could. But you can't complain not getting the max out of the thing, or breaking it.

Thanks Larry for messing up Prince's career, start practicing your song "free", and please go away.

Fuck Larry. Fuck homophobes. Fuck blind followers. Fuck the Bible.

Aesop's Fables holds more water.

Just to say one thing; I'm studying Sexual Relationships in conjuntion with Christian Ethics for my GCSEs (UK Exam), and the Bible says FA about Homosexuality being wrong; Jesus says nowt about homosexuality.
It's all down to how the church has interpreted it over the years and that the catholic popes have deemed it wrong. The Bible actually says Jack about homosexuality with only one reference to Sodomy in the tale of Sodom and Gamorah, the fact that that refers to sodomy as well is debatable. Otherwise there ain't nowt.

Peeps see in the Bible what they wanna see.... It doesn't "diss" gays. Religion is about opening one's mind.

Jesus Christ's good lady friend was a prostitute and she was still his friend.....

Spookymuffin said:

That is not true in the least! Once again if you don't believe in Christianity that is one thing but don't say that is not in the bible. Once again Leviticus chapter 18 verse 22 and Pauls letter to the Romans Chapter1 verses 21-30 speak very clearly on this subject. Now if the teacher in your class is telling you otherwise please confront them with these texts and ask why you have not been taught this? This has nothing to do with hate or homophobia. This has nothing to do with interpretation. This is scriptural fact. Look it up yourself. The bible has many examples of this. So I am sorry but what you are saying is not what is written. I know this is not the thread for this debate so feel free to orgnote me if you like and we can discuss this further.

fauxnewbie said:

I am not sure what your point is so please explain further. The point I was making is whether or not you know Christianity exists is a far cry from believing in it. Many people know Christianity and don't belive in it. I mean do you think Jews and Muslims and Hindu's are unaware of the Christian faith? No but they believe a different way. And that is to be respected. My point to Z was if you don't believe in the Christian faith that is one thing but don't go misquoting and mis-teaching it. So I hope that helps you understand my point and I would very much like to completely understand yours. So write back.
Peace

squirrelgrease said:

Well at least your consistent! But your wrong about the bible not holding water. And everyone follows some form of faith even if that faith is Science.
Peace

larry graham sucks.
so does that song, ONE IN A MILLION.

spoida said:

Well the facts is that book is way more right than it has ever been wrong. Now before you go name calling I think you should study it. I have heard the common sense argument more times than I can count. What is not peacful about Christ? You are offended by my use of the word peace? That is foolish but hey feel what you feel. Everyone is deserving of peace, everyone. Also there is not one factual argument to be made about sexual orientation. Not one!!! You are speaking opinion not fact. So many people want to advance the born gay argument and that has yet to be proven true!! I can respect your opinion just don't pawn it off as fact. I could careless about what choices a person makes. I only care that when the Holy Scriptures are brought up the truth is spoken. That is what I am dealing with that is what I am speaking on. Also even if you are born gay I was born heterosexual does that absolve me from my sins? No!!
See you want to make this about judgement. That is why your response was so toxic. I have not the time nor the energy to judge. I am much more interesed in the solid facts and the truth.
Also don't you think that the fact that the book has existed for 2000 years might lend a little credibility to it? Since you asked "How can something that a person has no choice over (from birth) be considered a sin?" You me and everyone else in this world was born in sin regardless of sexual orientaion or choice or what have you. Hey you don't have to take my word for it read it yourself. If you still don't believe cool. I am just representing my faith to the most honest and fullest extent that I can.

Peace

Peace

can't we all just get along?

JOEYCOCO said:

Brother I hear ya!! I really am enjoying the debate with everyone. I promise that I am not taking one thing personal and I will do my best to get along with all my debating partners.
Peace

chiltonmusic said:

like claiming moral autonomy for it's writings. Has it not occured that the values that you hold dear are those that the human being held before Jesus appeared and before the scriptures were written. Its arrogance that you feel that these values were born from His teachings. What if peoples values were not written down? Christianity does not hold moral autonomy.


since when? since the reformation? we dont even have separation of church and the state in 2004 (US and UK) no matter what people say.

Blair - speech - christian rhetoric (which he tried 'may god bless us' on his advisors but was
immediatley put down - the British public have no time for this crap)
Bush - speech - even more christian fundamentalist rhetoric.



i just read that above again and i am not attempting, through experience to reply to another persons beliefs. you do what you want. i just hope you have no children or have any influence over children in work or as a close family member. I know there are millions of people who think like you but we are stuck with it until the species progresses into a higher intellectual collective.

NO peace while people like this and people like me are alive.

spoida said:

Well I will have children and I do work with children and while you feel religeon keeps us from advancing I feel that lack of it prevents us from advancing. Once again I don't feel a need to get into toxic discussions about this. You feel threatend and insulted by my post. I could careless as long as scripture and Christianity is brought up I will speak on it. If you truly knew the bible you would realize it is way older than you understand it to be. While man worshipped God in many different ways before Christianity. The spiritual birth of Christ (read Genesis) and then physical birth of Christ (which came way later). Has profoundly effected the world in a way no other profit before or since has. Sure in some ways and practices of Jesus teachings did exist before him. Jesus himself says this when he reminds us of the profits that came before him. However you miss the point of Jesus being the living embodiment of God and all the profits before him. So that is pretty much a given. Once again read it for yourself. I am not preaching some radical doctrine here. This is older than you and me (as well as this very discussion that we are having right now.) The bible is soooo much deeper than what is taught to the masses and I don't have time to write it all down here. I think that when we really beging to intellectually read and study the bible we will truly free ourselves of the millions of people who think like you.
And why would you not want peace? At best I can accept that we have a disagreement. I could careless. I am secure in my beliefs. The only time you would run a foul of me is if you attacked me personally. Then you won't see my peacful nature, but it seems as if you, because we disagree have alot of venom and that to me is counter productive to almost any good thing that matters in life. That is not being very intellectual. That reminds me of the stupidity that goes on in the middle east or this dumbass war we are in right now. Feel free to correct me where I am wrong maybe I am just misunderstanding you.

Peace

chiltonmusic said:

yes, i read the bible. happy now? i will never be peaceful with you in this life, or any after life( if there is one)as long as you believe in your comments on homosexuality. this is my belief which is stronger than yours will ever be. You have not misunderstood me. Read that again times 1 billion.

spoida said:

Well it would take more than one read but rather a lifetime of study. I can promise you your belief is not stronger than mine. Not even a little bit. I also doubt that you have 'read' the bible. Once again it requires study in introspection. Whether or not you and I are ever at peace is a complete non issue to me. Be unpeaceful for all I care. I believe in my comments on scripture and homosexuality and no amount of name calling or bullying will ever change that. Nor will it make me not speak the truth as the bible is concerned. See you question an afterlife I do not. I guess that is why you question scripture. Either way as I first stated you are speaking opinion I am stating scriptural facts I guess my posts has given you your opportunity for your to practice your own righteous indignation. By your belief system you are right as long as you arenot calling that foolishness Christianity I have no problem. You feel attacked because at the end of the day my argument is based in scripture that by your own words is 2000 years old. I can sleep at night with that on my side.
I am through with this I am sure you will write back. However you are in to attacking and that is boring. I am interested in the free exchange of ideas despite disagreement. See I unlike you have Gay friends (all of whom know how I feel and respectfully disagree, as a matter of fact we rarely discuss it now), White, agnostic, athiest, ultra conservatives, radical liberals. We don't all agree but we do all discuss with respect ideas and differences. Don't mis understand me I am not trying to be your friend in anyway shapre or form. I am just stating to you your venom is wasted over here. Go forth and do your thing live in non peace and scriptural ignorance if that makes you happy, just know that when you attack someone about the bible that actually reads it and studies it they are going to call you on your bullshit!!
Also I appreciate your candor and the fact that you stayed on point. Good debate. Unfortunate we won't have another but we had a damn good one here just the same. Even though you did try to be insulting you didn't hit below the belt (too many times) and I respect that even though you don't care.
Peace

BlaqueKnight said:

I agree. I do think that my point is being missed just a bit. I am not speaking about judgement as much as I am speaking about spiritual responsablility to the bible. Once again we are all sinners. And the mere act of calling a sin a sin is not the same as passing judgement. I think the world would be better served to remember that.
So mamy times when this debate is opened you get repsonses like the one I have had with Spoida. People try to draw these dumbass lines in the sand like the abortion issue and people stop talking and therefore stop learning. Then insults start hurling and there is no hope for spiritual growth. I like your post alot. You hit alot of points right on the head.
Peace

Oh...this is about being gay?
I thought Larry had played at Paisley RECENTLY
Nevermind

Consider yourself lucky. I wasn't picked to join any of the discussions. A great disappointment.
Iam no fan of Larry Graham, I think he was behind the door when God was handing out brains, but would have loved to be there with Prince.