My girlfriend used to have this problem; she has a lot of "friends" who, by nature, are really negative people. They see the bad in everything, do not hesitate to judge what they do not know, see the glass as half full, etc.

I see nothing wrong with expressing a critical opinion.

I see nothing wrong with expressing a critical opinion.

By the way romance1600, you don't ever seem to have anything positive to say,which brings me to this question. Why do you bother coming here if not for the reason of getting peoples feathers ruffled. If prince and his music suck so bad to the point where you can't ever say anything positive, then why do you even bother? Get something positive in you life. Go to church or something.

3 tracks from the new album are widely circulating. Plus a couple more live versions of other tracks.

I think people are giving their opinions vased on these tracks, which I think is fair enough.

My personal opinion is that this album will be another exercise in treading water for Prince, and another disappointment for fans who enjoy Prince at his most daring.

I'll be ecstatic if I'm wrong, but somehow I don't see that happening - most fans speak with experience, and that experience is coloured with a long-held, and deep rooted loyalty - don't forget that, we all are here chatting about Prince because we dig his music - but that doesn't mean we like everything he does blindly.

My girlfriend used to have this problem; she has a lot of "friends" who, by nature, are really negative people. They see the bad in everything, do not hesitate to judge what they do not know, see the glass as half empty (thanks), etc. These "friends" and their attitudes began to affect my girlfriend's state of mind, in that her work began to suffer, she started becoming judgemental, started being very critical of herself, etc.
One day, she asked for my advice. I told her that her "friends" were really haters, because my girlfriend is very smart, is phenomonal at her craft, cute as hell, etc. This does not sit well with "friends" who have issues with themselves. So I suggested that she begin to distance herself from the "friends" that were overly negative, as this carries with it an energy that infuses itself in others if one is not careful.
Soon after she put these "friends" at a distance, her whole attitude changed, her work began to show significant improvement, etc. It was a marked change for the better, very obvious.
I say all this to say that on this site, I find it incredible that people are hater in the extreme. I've seen quite a few posts stating that "Musicology will be a big flop" or other statements to this effect, when the music has not even been heard yet.
I wonder what these people are truly like; I think it takes a truly negative and dark soul to judge something that you have never seen or heard. I'm not a Prince fan, barking at people's opinions, but it fascinates me that people can be this way. It just creates such negative energy, and it definitely affects one's state of mine. Am I alone here, or what? I'm genuinely curious.
[This message was edited Wed Mar 24 15:04:46 2004 by BlackandRising]
[This message was edited Wed Mar 24 15:06:05 2004 by BlackandRising]

some people really seem to need validation from other people that Prince's music is good before they themselves will accept his music as being good.

But, for whatever the reasons, some people really seem to need validation from other people that Prince's music is good before they themselves will accept his music as being good. But I've also come to the conclusion that no amount of discussion that we have on the org is going to change people's personality. So even though the negativity is annoying, you really just have to kind of accept it and move on. Some people are just like that, and there's nothing you can do about it.

Is it just me or is this Bull-person aptly named?

In my experience on this site, the ones who are really exposed to haters are those who aren't blindly loving everything Prince does. Is true.

I love Prince and his music but he has set some high standards/expectations and as a consumer, it is my - and anyone elses - right to criticize from a consumer point of view. Did we get our money's worth? Opinions are bound to differ as we all approach the product from an individual point of view. If you love, say Musicology, because of what it says to you, then that's a valid opinion. If I don't like it as a lead-off single because I think it sounds like Prettyman and is what I consider the kind of song he'd usually put on a b-side, then that's a valid opinion too.


[This message was edited Wed Mar 24 17:14:03 2004 by scififilmnerd]

Is it just me or is this Bull-person aptly named?

In my experience on this site, the ones who are really exposed to haters are those who aren't blindly loving everything Prince does. Is true.

I love Prince and his music but he has set some high standards/expectations and as a consumer, it is my - and anyone elses - right to criticize from a consumer point of view. Did we get our money's worth? Opinions are bound to differ as we all approach the product from an individual point of view. If you love, say Musicology, because of what it says to you, then that's a valid opinion. If I don't like it as a lead-off single because I think it sounds like Prettyman and is what I consider the kind of song he'd usually put on a b-side, then that's a valid opinion too.


[This message was edited Wed Mar 24 17:14:03 2004 by scififilmnerd]

sinisterpentatonic said:

On the ball as usual scifi

The sexy ones are usually right.

Romance1600 said:

Is it just me or is this Bull-person aptly named?

In my experience on this site, the ones who are really exposed to haters are those who aren't blindly loving everything Prince does. Is true.

I love Prince and his music but he has set some high standards/expectations and as a consumer, it is my - and anyone elses - right to criticize from a consumer point of view. Did we get our money's worth? Opinions are bound to differ as we all approach the product from an individual point of view. If you love, say Musicology, because of what it says to you, then that's a valid opinion. If I don't like it as a lead-off single because I think it sounds like Prettyman and is what I consider the kind of song he'd usually put on a b-side, then that's a valid opinion too.


[This message was edited Wed Mar 24 17:14:03 2004 by scififilmnerd]

I've come to the conclusion that even though some people always have something negative to say, in reality, they really do still enjoy Prince's music. What they don't like though is that Prince is not the "pop icon" that he once used to be. I will often hear people on this site say something negative about Prince's music, and then follow up the statement with something about "no one wanting to buy something like musicology or hear it on the radio etc." But the question shouldn't be about whether or not other people like what they are hearing, the question is whether or not you (the fan) like what you're hearing. And if you don't, then that's fine. But year after year??? album after album??? and you still don't like what you're hearing???... well... then at some point, you have to start questioning whether or not you're really still a fan. (just my opinion)

But, for whatever the reasons, some people really seem to need validation from other people that Prince's music is good before they themselves will accept his music as being good.

Romance1600 said:

the phrase 'critical opinion" suggests that one has critically analyzed something and gave an opinion based on that analysis. My question is, what drives people to go there before they've heard or seen what they're being critical of?
if someone on here gave a critical analysis of say, SOTT, and their final opinion was that it sucked, that is obviously a valid opinion. But, this is totally different. hence, I'm extremely curious as to what drives these people.

My girlfriend used to have this problem; she has a lot of "friends" who, by nature, are really negative people. They see the bad in everything, do not hesitate to judge what they do not know, see the glass as half empty (thanks), etc. These "friends" and their attitudes began to affect my girlfriend's state of mind, in that her work began to suffer, she started becoming judgemental, started being very critical of herself, etc.
One day, she asked for my advice. I told her that her "friends" were really haters, because my girlfriend is very smart, is phenomonal at her craft, cute as hell, etc. This does not sit well with "friends" who have issues with themselves. So I suggested that she begin to distance herself from the "friends" that were overly negative, as this carries with it an energy that infuses itself in others if one is not careful.
Soon after she put these "friends" at a distance, her whole attitude changed, her work began to show significant improvement, etc. It was a marked change for the better, very obvious.
I say all this to say that on this site, I find it incredible that people are hater in the extreme. I've seen quite a few posts stating that "Musicology will be a big flop" or other statements to this effect, when the music has not even been heard yet.
I wonder what these people are truly like; I think it takes a truly negative and dark soul to judge something that you have never seen or heard. I'm not a Prince fan, barking at people's opinions, but it fascinates me that people can be this way. It just creates such negative energy, and it definitely affects one's state of mine. Am I alone here, or what? I'm genuinely curious.
[This message was edited Wed Mar 24 15:04:46 2004 by BlackandRising]
[This message was edited Wed Mar 24 15:06:05 2004 by BlackandRising]

BlackandRising said:

I'm sorry, I've heard the track and I don't like it.

It sounds like Old, Old School. He's doing this basic funk, jazz, be-bop thing and it doesn't sound good. It sounds like his grandfather's music compared to his bigger hits.

Maybe he isn't concerned with making hits anymore since he's a JW.

The Owner of "1st Avenue" in Purple Rain said it best, "Nobody understands your music but yourself".

I think he had a point.

I just read the thread that you started that virtually mirrors what you say here. Pretty funny....but yes, this is your opinion. But, these days, since Prince fans, are so jaded, I take the opinions of non-Prince.Org fans more seriously. I guess this song is making the airwaves, especially in LA, as I have had quite a few people call me up today about concerts, the new CD, etc. One common thread-they all really dig the song. I couldn't comment as I hadn't heard it all yet. These are people that religiously listen to Power 106 and KMEL in LA and the Bay area. These are but a few opinions, but again, because they are a little more objective then people tend to be here, I think they are a better barometer of how the single will do when released. Now that i"ve heard the sone in the last hour, I think people will understand this song immediately. It's simple, straight to the point, and has a old-school groove, which is what the song is going for, obviously. and to put it even more simplistic terms, this shit gets the head bobbin with no effort at all!