sag10 said:

and not here?

preciosa863 said:

Most of the old "orgers" are still around actually. So you are entirely wrong here.

Additionally, this site is moderated to the best of our abilities. It is a free service, run by a few volunteers in our spare time, and it is as good as we can make it without it being a commercial site. You get what you pay for! We didn't take $25 off anyone, remember...

As for your point about "I'd rather be around positivity every day" - you must find it very hard to get through life with your fingers in your ears all the time. The world is full of different opinions and different beliefs and different people. People who desire ONLY to interact with "positive" people who agree with them on everything are generally not equipped to deal with the real world. You have my sympathies.

On the Org, we do moderate the site and we do censor certain types of comments, and flames etc. However everyone here on this site is a "Prince fan" or has some interest in Prince music - they wouldn't be here otherwise. So what you get here is "opinions" - if someone thinks a song is shit, they'll say so. Different opinions stimulate discussion. If everyone here was trying to "sing from the purple hymn sheet" and being totally blinkered in their view of Prince's music, it (a) wouldn't create good discussions (b) would make the Org look like a fucked-up cult that couldn't tolerate criticism of their "leader" and (c) would be bad for Prince's music in the long run. If I were Prince, I'd value fan's expressing honest opinions about my music. Surrounding yourself with people who idolize everything you do is tedious.

". . .you must find it very hard to get through life with your fingers in your ears all the time."

All future threads on this topic should have this statement posted right before they are locked.

I bet if one of these NPGMC goofs were to run into Prince, and Prince told them to get the fuck out of his damn way, they would run to their friends and gloat, "Guess what, Prince talked to me."

preciosa863 said:

Most of the old "orgers" are still around actually. So you are entirely wrong here.

Additionally, this site is moderated to the best of our abilities. It is a free service, run by a few volunteers in our spare time, and it is as good as we can make it without it being a commercial site. You get what you pay for! We didn't take $25 off anyone, remember...

As for your point about "I'd rather be around positivity every day" - you must find it very hard to get through life with your fingers in your ears all the time. The world is full of different opinions and different beliefs and different people. People who desire ONLY to interact with "positive" people who agree with them on everything are generally not equipped to deal with the real world. You have my sympathies.

On the Org, we do moderate the site and we do censor certain types of comments, and flames etc. However everyone here on this site is a "Prince fan" or has some interest in Prince music - they wouldn't be here otherwise. So what you get here is "opinions" - if someone thinks a song is shit, they'll say so. Different opinions stimulate discussion. If everyone here was trying to "sing from the purple hymn sheet" and being totally blinkered in their view of Prince's music, it (a) wouldn't create good discussions (b) would make the Org look like a fucked-up cult that couldn't tolerate criticism of their "leader" and (c) would be bad for Prince's music in the long run. If I were Prince, I'd value fan's expressing honest opinions about my music. Surrounding yourself with people who idolize everything you do is tedious.

My favorite Prince info sources have become "his" harshest critics.Has Prince.ORG and UPTOWN become anti-Prince ???

Definitely at the NPGMC some people do tend to go a little far with agreeing with what Prince is doing. But here at the org, some people tend to go too far with being negative. I mean really, some people here at the Org do nothing but complain. Almost like they're trying to convince everyone that they are not impressed with Prince or something. It amazes me how some people complain, but yet they still go to the NPGMC site and still buy the music.

Makes you go "hhhmmm"

BS!!! But whatever... I said I choose to be around positivity: it's a choice. I never suggested that everyone and everything is positive. I am open minded and do engage in conversations with others who have different opinions than mine,however, not in a demeaning/derogatory manner ie, Nupwrsoul, RDHull,even theblueangel, to name a few. I don't agree or like everything about Prince either, But what I dislike is to hear the same complaints and whining all the time. It's not just about Prince; the general discussion forum is quite lewd and distasteful, but hey , to each his own, IMO, this is not a Prince site, ever thought about changing the name?. Anyway, why am I wasting my time responding to you Ian? You have volunteer work to do, so moderate!

preciosa863 said:

What a strange little person you are

The GD forum may be "lewd" but that's what it is there for - so you don't end up with non-Prince-related threads littering this forum. Our members want to talk about more than just Prince, so the GD forum was created to meet their needs. If you don't like it, don't go there.

Funny how you decry "complaining and whining", yet that is exactly what you are doing with this post of yours. I'll repeat myself in case it didn't sink in the first time - what you get here on the Org is the opinions of our members. They might not be as "positive" as you might like, but they reflect the thoughts and opinions of the people buying Prince's music. To pretend otherwise is akin to sticking your head in the sand.

One question for Ian,and I do agree with what most of what you said earlier, If you agree with some things that Prince says does and/or you are a member of the NPGMC are you considered an ass-kisser ?

My favorite Prince info sources have become "his" harshest critics.Has Prince.ORG and UPTOWN become anti-Prince ???

Tune in tomorrow same Prince time.Same Prince channel.

I have been a poster here at the ORG since 99 & lurked here for 3 years before posting .I am also a day 1 member of the NPGMC.

The Org has changed to A.M.P. Many here I suspect really are not hardcore Prince fans and the come here to bitch,moan,or complain.Now negative comments about Prince are fine as long as it is intellegent & thought provoking .

I started a post just to see who all was still here from the old Org because several have sent me org notes saying they were leaving the ORG because of the negativity.Personally,I turn this damn computer off when I get tired of drama.


Ian, what you stated earlier is the reason why I still come back to the Org.
[This message was edited Tue Jun 24 12:19:41 PDT 2003 by muleFunk]

WOW!!! I feel like i have truly come of age in the org now. THis is my most successful post to date. HAHA.

Dont you just hate it when you post something and nobody cares??? Well you have made my day a little brighter all y'all that replied.

I am amazed that so many people feel the same way as me on this.

DeVaniti said:

Bad news, DeVanti, but you're just plain wrong.

The anti-venom shields worn by all ORG venom spitters are 100% effective against all venom, even their own.

Accordingly, your "two-fold" assertion is nothing more than spitefully wishful Hater hatin'.

Ironcially, there's good news.

Since you've got your own shield, your venom won't fall right back on you two-fold either.

Peace.

First of all, I would hope that people are being respectful at the NPGMC because simply, they were raised with manners! I wouldn't go into someone's home and then talk about them like they weren't a child of The Creator. Attacking and critizing the way their home looks,sounds,smells, etc. If I didn't like something about the person, or their home, I wouldn't go in the first place. So I wouldn't have to fake being nice.

Uhm, the members of NPGMC did pay to get in, it isn't like Prince graciously invited them into his home and made them a pot of coffee.

It's a commercial venture, and as a customer, you expect a level of customer service and information - if that level is not perceived to be attained by the customer they have the right to voice their opinions.

DeVaniti said:

I pay taxes too! And a whole hell of a lot more than $25.00. Think I can drop by the White House and start bitching to the President and or his staff about the lousy job I feel his is doing with the public education system in this country? Hmmm?

Bitching about it won't change a damn thing. I understand that, most here I'm afraid don't. You see, I don't sit back on my hiney and bitch, moan, and whine. I register and encourage many of those young people that the education system is failing to vote. I will be at the polls come November 2004 voting against him, and I'll be taking as many folks with me as I can pack in my Suburban.

The real fact of the matter is Prince didn't have to open the club at all, he chose to. Take a look at the posts here prior to this years launch. Most here couldn't wait, you begged and pleaded with the man to bring the club back. For what??
So you can come here and dump all over it and him. Does that make you feel better, do you feel you're accomplishing something, I sincerely hope not. Because truth be told, if Prince is such a bad business man, why is he still getting your money?

That's like Bush getting my vote. It just doesn't make sense!

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First of all, I would hope that people are being respectful at the NPGMC because simply, they were raised with manners! I wouldn't go into someone's home and then talk about them like they weren't a child of The Creator. Attacking and critizing the way their home looks,sounds,smells, etc. If I didn't like something about the person, or their home, I wouldn't go in the first place. So I wouldn't have to fake being nice.

Romance1600 said:

Ridiculous.

If you are a paying customer and you are unhappy with the service you receive, you SHOULD complain. To say it accomplishes nothing is defeatist. If you were eating at a restaurant and your main course was cold, wouldn't you complain? At the very least, such criticism can help the company you are dealing with to recognise flaws in their business, in their service, which they can try to improve upon.

My response

Actually I would complain...to the management, and if my needs or desires were not properly satisfied by them, I simply would not patronize that establishment again. I would not continue to go there and shell out my hard earned cash, and then just sit around in the parking lot and bitch to the other patrons who happen to have enjoyed their service. Hmmm, maybe that's just me.
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NPGMC as it stands today has DEFINITELY evolved since 2001, and it has changed in accordance with the experience gained from previous incarnations of the club, and the many problems and complaints they received. So to say that complaining will achieve nothing is just plain wrong.

You seem to be making assumptions here, that there is some imaginary person that constantly complains about everything but keeps coming back for more. That person doesn't exist. I know people who didn't join NPGMC in 2001 because of the problems experienced when dealing with 1800Newfunk in the past. You can only fuck people around so much before you lose them entirely.

My Response

Assumptions??Imaginary?? I'm afraid not, and I don't need to explain, the post are here in black and white, it's obvious which ones are real concerns and which ones are malicious in intent and purpose. And yes they are constant.
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Ultimately NPGMC is providing a commercial service. They've put a lot of time and money into creating the service, and they should be commended for it. However, it is a financial venture, intended to make money and provide a means for Prince to distribute his music. If you have problems with the service, or a bad experience of their customer service, it is entirely right that you relate those experiences to people here. It is extremely useful for existing customers and prospective customers alike to hear good and bad stories of other people's experiences with NPGMC. It's not about complaining for the sake of it, it is about making people aware of the things that can go wrong, should they risk their $100 or $25 as it is now.

Anyway this is all a little off-topic because the discussion is about the different tones of fan discussions on the two sites, not really about people complaining about NPGMC as a business. So let's not veer too far off the topic ...

My Response
I was right on topic actually, since most of the whining and complaining takes place in this forum, I simply stated the obvious.

DeVaniti said:

I see your point, but judging from your statement, you would talk to someone in their house like they were the son of god? I don't think thats what you mean, but thats the way it could read.

That aside. I think there is nothing wrong with entering someones house with a differing view. That person has the right to remove you from the house. But if they remove you because they refuse to listen to a different point of view, which party lacks manners?

In my view, the lack of manners comes from the host who invited you in, particularly if they invite you in under the terms "U tell us".

No offense,but why does it bother YOU so much when other fans complain? Unless you are Prince,I can't see why it pisses you off so much.Personally,I like to hear all sides of an issue,the positive and the negative.I respect and enjoy hearing differing opinions,that's what makes these discussions so interesting.You must obviously agree,otherwise you wouldn't be on this site in the first place

No offense,but why does it bother YOU so much when other fans complain? Unless you are Prince,I can't see why it pisses you off so much.Personally,I like to hear all sides of an issue,the positive and the negative.I respect and enjoy hearing differing opinions,that's what makes these discussions so interesting.You must obviously agree,otherwise you wouldn't be on this site in the first place

DavidEye said:

That was my reason for joining, yes. My reason for staying is to try and counter some of the negativity, not necessarily the complaints because if they are accurate so be it. What I'm referring to when I say negativity is it the utter contempt that many have here for Prince. For whatever their reasons. Which the majority isn't about customer service at all. Most of the people that hung out here who really dig Prince don't bother to come anymore because they are hanging at the club, and they don't have the heart for participating in this Prince bashing spectacle. I'm not easily intimidated.

DeVaniti said:

It is my view that we are all children of The Creator, and we should respect each other as such, however, many of us don't. No, I don't think Prince is Jesus Christ(I feel that is what you are really hinting at). I do feel at his club his rules should be respected. If that means no negativity so be it.

In my house I don't allow smoking, my fiance' pays the mortgage, insurance, and taxes, and when his friends and family visit and want to light up, they all go outside. Except this one brother who feels that since his brother is paying everything he should be able to do what he feels. Well he tried to get away with it and was warned the first time. On the second attempt I took the cigarette from him. The third time I was sick it and him so I threw him out. And he is no longer welcome in my home. If he wants to get together with my fiance' they meet somewhere else. And when I have special events like my annual Fourth of July BBQ he is not invited. Should he blame me? (Which he does by the way) Or should he have respected the rules of my house in the first place?

At the club it's the same thing. It is a matter of respect, unlike here at the org where many orger's like my future brother-in-law, lack the concept.