I know it's not, but could Partyman almost be considered a Camille track?

Why would it not be?

I feel like "Camille" tracks are anything with the upward pitch shift. That includes stuff before he was using the label like "Erotic City" or stuff eras later like "3121".

WhisperingDandelions said:

Why would it not be?

I feel like "Camille" tracks are anything with the upward pitch shift. That includes stuff before he was using the label like "Erotic City" or stuff eras later like "3121".

Perhaps I was anticipating raising the ire of the resident naysayers and know-it-alls.

rap said:

I know it's not, but could Partyman almost be considered a Camille track?

The Camille songs were good though, and had some sort of melody. Partyman was a total throwaway!

WhisperingDandelions said:

Why would it not be?

I feel like "Camille" tracks are anything with the upward pitch shift. That includes stuff before he was using the label like "Erotic City" or stuff eras later like "3121".

To me, a Camille song isn't simply an upward pitch shift. It's a very specific upward pitch shift.

In other words, those other songs you name might kind of sound like Camille in a very general way, but they're not exactly like Camille.

You could also argue the only songs that qualify as Camille songs are the ones that Prince himself had planned to officially attribute to (i.e. the songs from the aborted Camille album) or the songs that he did officially attribute to Camille (such as U Got The Look).

rap said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

Why would it not be?

I feel like "Camille" tracks are anything with the upward pitch shift. That includes stuff before he was using the label like "Erotic City" or stuff eras later like "3121".

Perhaps I was anticipating raising the ire of the resident naysayers and know-it-alls.

I'll agree to that and throw in "Baby Knows"!

nayroo2002 said:

It did have "feel u up" as the b-side...

"Come On"

Let's remember Scarlet Pussy is a Camille track too. Doesn't sound like one though.

Also, "Scarlet Pussy" was officially credited to Camille with a 'black album' motif on the vinyl.

Does that mean all of the BA was Camille???

I wonder if Prince had to take on the persona of Camille while recording those songs, in much the same way a method actor becomes a character. Also, I wonder if there are tracks in the vault credited to Spooky Electric??

lurker316 said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

Why would it not be?

I feel like "Camille" tracks are anything with the upward pitch shift. That includes stuff before he was using the label like "Erotic City" or stuff eras later like "3121".

To me, a Camille song isn't simply an upward pitch shift. It's a very specific upward pitch shift.

In other words, those other songs you name might kind of sound like Camille in a very general way, but they're not exactly like Camille.

You could also argue the only songs that qualify as Camille songs are the ones that Prince himself had planned to officially attribute to (i.e. the songs from the aborted Camille album) or the songs that he did officially attribute to Camille (such as U Got The Look).

"Scarlett Pussy" invalidates this entire angle of yours.

So "Scarlett Pussy" is Camille but not "3121"? plz.

I still get chills thinking about when P just launched into Partyman outta nowhere at that Tamar show at the Electric Factory in 06.

boomshaka said:

Other songs could include: F.U.N.K Ol Skool Company Dance 4 Me Funk N Roll FallInLove2Nite [Edited 3/29/24 8:25am]

Just go ahead and make the whole list!

That would be the climax of this thread

(NAACP playback performance of an unreleased remix of "Emancipation")

nayroo2002 said:

Also, "Scarlet Pussy" was officially credited to Camille with a 'black album' motif on the vinyl.

Does that mean all of the BA was Camille???

The Lovesexy tour book liner notes literally say Camille created the Black Album. I mean Camille is Prince, so duh but yeah that would 'officially' credit both TBA and Lovesexy to Camille. It also specifically genders Camille as 'he' and 'boy' - so every time some article lazily refers to Camille as "Prince's feminine alter-ego" you know they're a hack.

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Re: Is Partyman a Camille track? Officially credited? No. Using the vocal pitched technique? Yes. I also think a soft 'yes' because Feel U Up was chosen as the b-side and it being closer in time to the credited Camille tracks in general. Just speaking personally, Camille is not just Prince, but Prince in that time period. So if I was making a Camille "special edition" compilation for myself, I'd have Love or $, Sex, Partyman as 'bonus tracks' but not say 3121, P-Funk, Come On etc - that's just me, you make your own mind up.

NouveauDance said:

boomshaka said:

Other songs could include: F.U.N.K Ol Skool Company Dance 4 Me Funk N Roll FallInLove2Nite [Edited 3/29/24 8:25am]

$ too

rap said:

I know it's not, but could Partyman almost be considered a Camille track?

WhisperingDandelions said:

Why would it not be?

I feel like "Camille" tracks are anything with the upward pitch shift. That includes stuff before he was using the label like "Erotic City" or stuff eras later like "3121".

Perhaps I was anticipating raising the ire of the resident naysayers and know-it-alls.

Obviously it is not a Camille track, but it could be considered a Camille-like track, but only if "Camille" is taken as a reference to a style and not a persona.

If you take it as a style, then yes there are many Camille-like songs throughtout his career.

it was only ever those who want to make something more about the Camille persona than what Prince said about that persona and had to ignore the words of songs in the "official" Camille tracks that have jumped up and down about what is allowed to be a Camille-like track.

"Rockhard In A Funky Place"

I think it is the veil of the voice that makes it "Camille".

"Camille" being a -one era- name, but the same concept used at other times.

In "1+1+1 is 3" you can hear that voice encouraging Prince to "play wit' it!"

Marrk said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Camille or not, partyman is a certified banger (if more straightforwardly banging than we maybe expected from 80s prince). His last great single of the 80s?

Well, it literally is.

The remaining singles from the 80s (Arms Of Orion and Scandalous) were anything but bangers.