Kares said:

databank said:

Ah yes, there was that, two, so with the Samples and TCI that's already 2 7 CD's boxset announced.

So was it 3 with Celebration? I really don't remember any such thing and neither does Princevault but it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I looked up the tracklists on Pvault and that would indeed make an impressive collection of shows

Estate, take our money!!!

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Yes, I meant the 2002 Celebration box set.
It's on PrinceVault too:
http://princevault.com/index.php?title=Album:_Xenophobia_live

Incredible. This page is not new so I have to have seen it before but I had totally forgotten about it.

Thanks for the info

databank said:

Kares said:

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Yes, I meant the 2002 Celebration box set.
It's on PrinceVault too:
http://princevault.com/index.php?title=Album:_Xenophobia_live

Incredible. This page is not new so I have to have seen it before but I had totally forgotten about it.

Thanks for the info

I remember this being announced.

I also recall P made a comment about Sabotage making a lot of money from the Celebration boots.

dodger said:

databank said:

Incredible. This page is not new so I have to have seen it before but I had totally forgotten about it.

Thanks for the info

I remember this being announced.

I also recall P made a comment about Sabotage making a lot of money from the Celebration boots.

Well I didn't buy those boots but I would have bought an official release of 7 CD's

Kares said:

databank said:

Ah yes, there was that, two, so with the Samples and TCI that's already 2 7 CD's boxset announced.

So was it 3 with Celebration? I really don't remember any such thing and neither does Princevault but it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I looked up the tracklists on Pvault and that would indeed make an impressive collection of shows

Estate, take our money!!!

.

Yes, I meant the 2002 Celebration box set.
It's on PrinceVault too:
http://princevault.com/index.php?title=Album:_Xenophobia_live

see, i knew i wasn't going mad

IstenSzek said:

Kares said:

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Yes, I meant the 2002 Celebration box set.
It's on PrinceVault too:
http://princevault.com/index.php?title=Album:_Xenophobia_live

see, i knew i wasn't going mad

Yep, my bad

IstenSzek said:

Kares said:

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Yes, I meant the 2002 Celebration box set.
It's on PrinceVault too:
http://princevault.com/index.php?title=Album:_Xenophobia_live

see, i knew i wasn't going mad

Interesting story. Tough situation for Prince, because at that time most likely only hard-core Prince fans would have bought the official releases, but since they were already bootlegged the majority of those fans already had the CDs little or no cost

databank said:

thebanishedone said:

of course Princes guitar skills detorieted in 1998 up until 2000.he simply didnt practise.if you cant hear it than thats your problem,but he did recover starting with 2001.

if you think that Prince mainted his instrumental proficiency all the time than you are deluding yourself

There's no such thing as "of course" and it's not my job to check whether what you say is true or not. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence and this is something you appear to have come-up with on your own all of a sudden last week, and it's not like there's been a consensus over this for 20 years. So maybe you've made a great discovery or maybe you haven't, I can't tell, but if you have please provide evidence for what you are saying. Or don't, but then don't go all "you can't hear/you are deluding yourself" on people because if that's your only argument, then you're just talking to yourself and on top of it being offensive.

So by all means, blow my mind, I'm waiting, and if you provide enough solid evidence I will have no reason to argue with you anymore

Man Prince really was at his low point during 1998 -2000 period guitar wise.everything b4 and after was much better than that era

databank said:

thebanishedone said:

of course Princes guitar skills detorieted in 1998 up until 2000.he simply didnt practise.if you cant hear it than thats your problem,but he did recover starting with 2001.

if you think that Prince mainted his instrumental proficiency all the time than you are deluding yourself

There's no such thing as "of course" and it's not my job to check whether what you say is true or not. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence and this is something you appear to have come-up with on your own all of a sudden last week, and it's not like there's been a consensus over this for 20 years. So maybe you've made a great discovery or maybe you haven't, I can't tell, but if you have please provide evidence for what you are saying. Or don't, but then don't go all "you can't hear/you are deluding yourself" on people because if that's your only argument, then you're just talking to yourself and on top of it being offensive.

So by all means, blow my mind, I'm waiting, and if you provide enough solid evidence I will have no reason to argue with you anymore

ok its a bit hard to explain non guitar player why Prince was not up to his standards 1998 up to 2000 even though i respect non musicians as much more objective

music listeners compared to musicians who tend to be a bit snobish.

when i was a kid what attracted me to Prince was his

guitar playing.whenever new album was out i would skip the song up to the guitar solo moments

that was the most important to me.i know i was a stupid kid.but i did analyze

every year of Prince as a guitar player.

looking at Princes facial expressions u would think he always played awsome

but actually listening to his playing you can see a big difference in his playing if you listen to

anything live or studio from 1998 up to early 2000.take Rave dvd as an example Purple Rain

,that version drags ,play any other pre 1998 or ost 1999 year version of the same song and he always cut it loose .in 1998 his guitar playing was bland

unispired,very rudamentary

compared to his standards.it seemed to me that he was strugglin to play parts that he wrote originally.anything he did on Rave 2000 concert you can find much better b4 or afterwards.tale a listen to live in philly 1997 and compare that to anything from 1998.in 1997 he weas still cutting on guitar.but after 2000 starting with hit n run tour he started recovering.in 2002 up until the vox period he was amazing on guitar.

thebanishedone said:

databank said:

There's no such thing as "of course" and it's not my job to check whether what you say is true or not. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence and this is something you appear to have come-up with on your own all of a sudden last week, and it's not like there's been a consensus over this for 20 years. So maybe you've made a great discovery or maybe you haven't, I can't tell, but if you have please provide evidence for what you are saying. Or don't, but then don't go all "you can't hear/you are deluding yourself" on people because if that's your only argument, then you're just talking to yourself and on top of it being offensive.

So by all means, blow my mind, I'm waiting, and if you provide enough solid evidence I will have no reason to argue with you anymore

ok its a bit hard to explain non guitar player why Prince was not up to his standards 1998 up to 2000 even though i respect non musicians as much more objective

music listeners compared to musicians who tend to be a bit snobish.

when i was a kid what attracted me to Prince was his

guitar playing.whenever new album was out i would skip the song up to the guitar solo moments

that was the most important to me.i know i was a stupid kid.but i did analyze

every year of Prince as a guitar player.

looking at Princes facial expressions u would think he always played awsome

but actually listening to his playing you can see a big difference in his playing if you listen to

anything live or studio from 1998 up to early 2000.take Rave dvd as an example Purple Rain

,that version drags ,play any other pre 1998 or ost 1999 year version of the same song and he always cut it loose .in 1998 his guitar playing was bland

unispired,very rudamentary

compared to his standards.it seemed to me that he was strugglin to play parts that he wrote originally.anything he did on Rave 2000 concert you can find much better b4 or afterwards.tale a listen to live in philly 1997 and compare that to anything from 1998.in 1997 he weas still cutting on guitar.but after 2000 starting with hit n run tour he started recovering.in 2002 up until the vox period he was amazing on guitar.

Well thanks for elaborating.

I'm still not entirely convinced because by 1998 Prince had been playing guitar fluently for 25 years and playing music pretty much every day of his life, so I fail to see why a sudden drop or a sudden lack of practice at that stage in his career. I'd really love to hear one of his bandmembers' opinion about this (Militant if you're listening and interview someone from those years!), but I am no guitar player so you know more than I do and next time I listen to a 98 or 99 show, I'll keep that in mind and try and pay attention to the guitar

databank said:

thebanishedone said:

ok its a bit hard to explain non guitar player why Prince was not up to his standards 1998 up to 2000 even though i respect non musicians as much more objective

music listeners compared to musicians who tend to be a bit snobish.

when i was a kid what attracted me to Prince was his

guitar playing.whenever new album was out i would skip the song up to the guitar solo moments

that was the most important to me.i know i was a stupid kid.but i did analyze

every year of Prince as a guitar player.

looking at Princes facial expressions u would think he always played awsome

but actually listening to his playing you can see a big difference in his playing if you listen to

anything live or studio from 1998 up to early 2000.take Rave dvd as an example Purple Rain

,that version drags ,play any other pre 1998 or ost 1999 year version of the same song and he always cut it loose .in 1998 his guitar playing was bland

unispired,very rudamentary

compared to his standards.it seemed to me that he was strugglin to play parts that he wrote originally.anything he did on Rave 2000 concert you can find much better b4 or afterwards.tale a listen to live in philly 1997 and compare that to anything from 1998.in 1997 he weas still cutting on guitar.but after 2000 starting with hit n run tour he started recovering.in 2002 up until the vox period he was amazing on guitar.

Well thanks for elaborating.

I'm still not entirely convinced because by 1998 Prince had been playing guitar fluently for 25 years and playing music pretty much every day of his life, so I fail to see why a sudden drop or a sudden lack of practice at that stage in his career. I'd really love to hear one of his bandmembers' opinion about this (Militant if you're listening and interview someone from those years!), but I am no guitar player so you know more than I do and next time I listen to a 98 or 99 show, I'll keep that in mind and try and pay attention to the guitar

you can play any ionstrument for 50 years ,practice everyday 6 hours a day but if you dont play for 7 days for example,you will get rusty ,althought u will not forgert how to play but your fingers will get week.its like body building.u can b in top shape but stop lifting weights for 20 days and u will c a big difference

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thebanishedone said:

databank said:

Well thanks for elaborating.

I'm still not entirely convinced because by 1998 Prince had been playing guitar fluently for 25 years and playing music pretty much every day of his life, so I fail to see why a sudden drop or a sudden lack of practice at that stage in his career. I'd really love to hear one of his bandmembers' opinion about this (Militant if you're listening and interview someone from those years!), but I am no guitar player so you know more than I do and next time I listen to a 98 or 99 show, I'll keep that in mind and try and pay attention to the guitar

you can play any ionstrument for 50 years ,practice everyday 6 hours a day but if you dont play for 7 days for example,you will get rusty ,althought u will not forgert how to play but your fingers will get week.its like body building.u can b in top shape but stop lifting weights for 20 days and u will c a big difference

When I sang it happened that I took a break from singing for a few months and my skills were there pretty much intact when I came back. It's only when I stopped singing entirely that I began to lose my skills and it took over a year for it to start happening.

And when it comes to writing after decades of practice my skills are still there even if I don't write for months.

But voice and writing aren't "instruments", so maybe it is different IDK. I remember Greg Boyer telling a very humilating experience he had getting back to his instruments after not playing for a while and being shamed by a nobody he jammed with, while he'd been playing with P-Funk before that, but I think he had quit playing for a couple years not weeks.

Never heard it but it's gotta be better than the version we got from the Alladin DVD. Started off Ok and then just fizzled out.

Databank i dont agree.i think voice is an Instrument and hardest to master

thebanishedone said:

IstenSzek said:

it's rather tame when you compare it to the version he did at the Xenophobia Celebration.

now that one kicks some serious ass and it just goes on and on and on and on.

I was there, 2002 Celebration and Indigo too (22/09/07) and i must say the celebration shows was excellent. All shows were filmed, i hope one day they will see the light of day...

About Whole Lotta Love, the 10mn celebration version is the best he ever played imo ! Epic.

highcalonic said:

IstenSzek said:

it's rather tame when you compare it to the version he did at the Xenophobia Celebration.

now that one kicks some serious ass and it just goes on and on and on and on.

I was there, 2002 Celebration and Indigo too (22/09/07) and i must say the celebration shows was excellent. All shows were filmed, i hope one day they will see the light of day...

About Whole Lotta Love, the 10mn celebration version is the best he ever played imo ! Epic.

That was such a great concert , wasn´t it ?

I still remember it very vividly, and it was perfect from beginning to end.