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Reply #90 posted 09/06/18 10:11pm

paulludvig

BartVanHemelen said:



paulludvig said:


Read somewhere that Jill Jones has written liner notes too.

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Or you could, I don't know, scoll up juuuuust a little bit. Perhaps you notice that massive image in one of my previous posts?



True! That's probably where I heard about it. Maybe you can update your OP? Jill Jones writing liner notes is bigger news to me than another one of Lisa and Wendy publicity stunts.
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Reply #91 posted 09/07/18 8:39pm

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So, this is Prince playing? After reading the Guardian interview with Lisa (for which she is given co-writing credits), some people on twitter are claiming that the piano playing in the demo is her? I assumed it was him, but I just want to make sure I was right. I assumed she meant that the song was composed as a group (with Prince as well) during a reggae jam season. then prince created this demo based on what they jammed. And then later the band worked together on the song again to produce the 17 days b-side that we all know and love. Am I right?

[Edited 9/7/18 21:01pm]

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Reply #92 posted 09/07/18 10:45pm

antonb

Jeez. It's prince playing the piano and singing. That's the point of the record! Prince wrote the words also.
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Reply #93 posted 09/08/18 1:02am

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SkipperLove said:

So, this is Prince playing? After reading the Guardian interview with Lisa (for which she is given co-writing credits), some people on twitter are claiming that the piano playing in the demo is her?

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Prince fandom in 2018: "some rando on Twitter says this isn't Prince on the piano, so lemme repeat that OBVIOUS BULLSHIT and amplify it." Why bother actually READING any of the articles about this record, right?

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I assumed it was him, but I just want to make sure I was right. I assumed she meant that the song was composed as a group (with Prince as well) during a reggae jam season.

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READ WHAT SHE SAID. Just READ it.

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then prince created this demo based on what they jammed.

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This isn't a demo.

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Reply #94 posted 09/08/18 7:40am

paulludvig

SkipperLove said:

So, this is Prince playing? After reading the Guardian interview with Lisa (for which she is given co-writing credits), some people on twitter are claiming that the piano playing in the demo is her? I assumed it was him, but I just want to make sure I was right. I assumed she meant that the song was composed as a group (with Prince as well) during a reggae jam season. then prince created this demo based on what they jammed. And then later the band worked together on the song again to produce the 17 days b-side that we all know and love. Am I right?

[Edited 9/7/18 21:01pm]




The song is basically one chord, so the actual writing consists in the vocal line and the lyrics, which was all Prince. And of course Prince is playing piano on the tape. But typicsl Lisa and Wendy to make it all about themselves. As she describes it, one gets the impression that the recording documents Prince practising songs written by the band, to get them "under his skin". Total rubbish of course.
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Reply #95 posted 09/08/18 7:48am

SkipperLove

I did read it Bart. I am not a musician so I don't understand the recording process. If its not a demo (even though it seems to be called that) its an interpretation of his own song.

BartVanHemelen said:

SkipperLove said:

So, this is Prince playing? After reading the Guardian interview with Lisa (for which she is given co-writing credits), some people on twitter are claiming that the piano playing in the demo is her?

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Prince fandom in 2018: "some rando on Twitter says this isn't Prince on the piano, so lemme repeat that OBVIOUS BULLSHIT and amplify it." Why bother actually READING any of the articles about this record, right?

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READ WHAT SHE SAID. Just READ it.

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then prince created this demo based on what they jammed.

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This isn't a demo.

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Reply #96 posted 09/08/18 7:52am

SkipperLove

Or they as a band (which included Prince who was leading the band and using his musicians as human extentions of his musical thought) created the song and prince went back and brought lyrics and melodic structure. Lisa is completely complimentary. Yes, she makes a bit about herself, but all of his musicians through the years do. I have learned to accept it. The reality is that 17 Days is the first song which got the Prince and the Revolution credit. ITs the first song he shared writing credits with. So, he must have thought they deserved some credit.

paulludvig said:

SkipperLove said:

So, this is Prince playing? After reading the Guardian interview with Lisa (for which she is given co-writing credits), some people on twitter are claiming that the piano playing in the demo is her? I assumed it was him, but I just want to make sure I was right. I assumed she meant that the song was composed as a group (with Prince as well) during a reggae jam season. then prince created this demo based on what they jammed. And then later the band worked together on the song again to produce the 17 days b-side that we all know and love. Am I right?

[Edited 9/7/18 21:01pm]

The song is basically one chord, so the actual writing consists in the vocal line and the lyrics, which was all Prince. And of course Prince is playing piano on the tape. But typicsl Lisa and Wendy to make it all about themselves. As she describes it, one gets the impression that the recording documents Prince practising songs written by the band, to get them "under his skin". Total rubbish of course.

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Reply #97 posted 09/08/18 8:04am

paulludvig

SkipperLove said:

Or they as a band (which included Prince who was leading the band and using his musicians as human extentions of his musical thought) created the song and prince went back and brought lyrics and melodic structure. Lisa is completely complimentary. Yes, she makes a bit about herself, but all of his musicians through the years do. I have learned to accept it. The reality is that 17 Days is the first song which got the Prince and the Revolution credit. ITs the first song he shared writing credits with. So, he must have thought they deserved some credit.




paulludvig said:


SkipperLove said:

So, this is Prince playing? After reading the Guardian interview with Lisa (for which she is given co-writing credits), some people on twitter are claiming that the piano playing in the demo is her? I assumed it was him, but I just want to make sure I was right. I assumed she meant that the song was composed as a group (with Prince as well) during a reggae jam season. then prince created this demo based on what they jammed. And then later the band worked together on the song again to produce the 17 days b-side that we all know and love. Am I right?


[Edited 9/7/18 21:01pm]



The song is basically one chord, so the actual writing consists in the vocal line and the lyrics, which was all Prince. And of course Prince is playing piano on the tape. But typicsl Lisa and Wendy to make it all about themselves. As she describes it, one gets the impression that the recording documents Prince practising songs written by the band, to get them "under his skin". Total rubbish of course.




He was really generous with this credit. Lisa's contribution was a reggae rhytm that didn't end up on any of the recordings lol
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Reply #98 posted 09/08/18 8:30am

SkipperLove

Do we know for sure that is all she did. That is all she specifically took credit for in the interview. In her defense, she didn't call herself a co-writer, the article and Prince did. The reggae rhythm might have just been the spring board for this song. In other words, it inspired him to write the song. That may be all she was implying--that he was inspired from the outside in rather than the inside out.

paulludvig said:

SkipperLove said:

Or they as a band (which included Prince who was leading the band and using his musicians as human extentions of his musical thought) created the song and prince went back and brought lyrics and melodic structure. Lisa is completely complimentary. Yes, she makes a bit about herself, but all of his musicians through the years do. I have learned to accept it. The reality is that 17 Days is the first song which got the Prince and the Revolution credit. ITs the first song he shared writing credits with. So, he must have thought they deserved some credit.

He was really generous with this credit. Lisa's contribution was a reggae rhytm that didn't end up on any of the recordings lol

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Reply #99 posted 09/08/18 11:43am

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SkipperLove said:

So, this is Prince playing? After reading the Guardian interview with Lisa (for which she is given co-writing credits), some people on twitter are claiming that the piano playing in the demo is her? I assumed it was him, but I just want to make sure I was right. I assumed she meant that the song was composed as a group (with Prince as well) during a reggae jam season. then prince created this demo based on what they jammed. And then later the band worked together on the song again to produce the 17 days b-side that we all know and love. Am I right?

[Edited 9/7/18 21:01pm]

I think this does raise an interesting point about how the album will be advertised. Most casual listeners won't really know about Prince's piano skills and will probably assume that he's just singing, with a piano player backing him. There is certainly some room for confusion there.

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Reply #100 posted 09/08/18 2:53pm

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From Entertainment Weekly's "Fall Music Preview: 2018" (issue #1527, 14 Sep 2018):

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Dropping 35 years after it was first recorded, this nine track studio session is, as promised, the Purple One at his most intimate: just the man, a piano, and a mic, singing a collection of unreleased tracks (“Cold Cofee & Cocaine”), early demos (“Purple Rain”), and covers (Joni Mitchell’s “A Case of You”). “What I hope is apparent to listeners is Prince’s total commitment—even when there’s no audience in the room,” says Prince archivist Michael Howe about the project. “It’s really inspirational when you have a guy with that much creativity coursing through his veins to be able to take a peek behind the curtains, so to speak. He’s not 50 percent there, he is 100 percent there—all the time.” —Alex Suskind

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Reply #101 posted 09/08/18 5:02pm

SkipperLove

Cool. Not a review. But I am glad it is getting mentioned. I hope there is a picture as well.

BartVanHemelen said:

From Entertainment Weekly's "Fall Music Preview: 2018" (issue #1527, 14 Sep 2018):

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Dropping 35 years after it was first recorded, this nine track studio session is, as promised, the Purple One at his most intimate: just the man, a piano, and a mic, singing a collection of unreleased tracks (“Cold Cofee & Cocaine”), early demos (“Purple Rain”), and covers (Joni Mitchell’s “A Case of You”). “What I hope is apparent to listeners is Prince’s total commitment—even when there’s no audience in the room,” says Prince archivist Michael Howe about the project. “It’s really inspirational when you have a guy with that much creativity coursing through his veins to be able to take a peek behind the curtains, so to speak. He’s not 50 percent there, he is 100 percent there—all the time.” —Alex Suskind

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Reply #102 posted 09/09/18 12:55am

antonb

fishwillbite said:



SkipperLove said:


So, this is Prince playing? After reading the Guardian interview with Lisa (for which she is given co-writing credits), some people on twitter are claiming that the piano playing in the demo is her? I assumed it was him, but I just want to make sure I was right. I assumed she meant that the song was composed as a group (with Prince as well) during a reggae jam season. then prince created this demo based on what they jammed. And then later the band worked together on the song again to produce the 17 days b-side that we all know and love. Am I right?


[Edited 9/7/18 21:01pm]




I think this does raise an interesting point about how the album will be advertised. Most casual listeners won't really know about Prince's piano skills and will probably assume that he's just singing, with a piano player backing him. There is certainly some room for confusion there.


It's only confusing to people who are dumb.
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Reply #103 posted 09/09/18 1:00am

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SkipperLove said:

Cool. Not a review. But I am glad it is getting mentioned. I hope there is a picture as well.

BartVanHemelen said:

From Entertainment Weekly's "Fall Music Preview: 2018" (issue #1527, 14 Sep 2018):

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Nope. No picture, no extra attention.

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Reply #104 posted 09/09/18 1:15am

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Daily Mail: https://www.dailymail.co....-wait.html

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We already knew Prince was a genius, but worth-the-wait posthumous release Piano And A Microphone 1983 deepens our understanding of why

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By GRAEME THOMSON

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PUBLISHED: 22:01 BST, 8 September 2018 | UPDATED: 22:01 BST, 8 September 2018

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Rating: 5/5

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It’s taken two years for the first of what will become a stream of posthumous releases to emerge from Prince’s vast archival vault, but the wait has been worthwhile. Taped in January 1983 at his Kiowa Trail home studio in Minnesota, Piano And A Microphone delivers exactly what its title promises, and much more.

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Offering remarkable insights into Prince’s creative process, it features nine songs performed alone at the piano.

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Some are classics-in-waiting (we get 90 delicious seconds of Purple Rain), some are tenderly exploratory covers (Joni Mitchell’s A Case Of You), some are in the first flood of composition (a fun, mumbo-jumbo bash at Strange Relationship, which appeared later on Sign O’ The Times), and some have remained unheard until now.

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They come all at once, stitched together in a single sweeping take, by turns embryonic, truncated and extemporised, a scattered trail of breadcrumbs to be picked up – or not – at some later point.

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Ultimately, the songs are incidental, a mere pretext for Prince to flex his performative muscles.

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Piano And A Microphone shows us the artist at play in his creative dressing-up box, throwing on styles and persona, pleasing himself, running on instinct.

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We hear him road-testing arrangements on the fly, scatting rhythmic ideas and guitar parts, playing dazzling piano and flipping through his repertoire of vocal styles with unfiltered joy.

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Of the two ‘new’ songs, the staccato pimp roll of Cold Coffee & Cocaine casts Prince in the role of lisping jive-talker, Tom Waits meets James Brown. It’s funky and very funny.

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Why The Butterflies prowls jazzily, going nowhere but doing so elegantly. It’s easy to see why neither idea was developed beyond these sketches.

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We already knew Prince was a genius. Piano And A Microphone performs the admirable service of deepening our understanding of why.

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Reply #105 posted 09/09/18 2:15am

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^ Interesting to see such a positive review from the Mail of all places! LOL It's rather odd and irritating though that all these commentators keep saying incorrectly that it's the first posthumous release, it is not, PR Deluxe was - DISC 2 was all 'new' material.

[Edited 9/9/18 2:15am]

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Reply #106 posted 09/09/18 3:23am

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^ Interesting to see such a positive review from the Mail of all places! LOL It's rather odd and irritating though that all these commentators keep saying incorrectly that it's the first posthumous release, it is not, PR Deluxe was - DISC 2 was all 'new' material.

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No it was not the FIRST POSTHUMOUS release...

PR DELUXE was in the contract when Prince regained his masters from WB in 2014... It was supposed to be released but when he did the Paisley Park remaster in 2015 he didn't give WB and extra songs so it was shelfed...

So technically PR DELUXE wasn't a technical posthumous release.

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Reply #107 posted 09/09/18 10:08am

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EVEN SOFT CELL (UK FAMOUS NEW WAVE GROUP FROM EARLY 80's) is releasing BIG BOX with BIG CONTENT.....THE PRINCE ESTATE IS NOT EVEN ABLE OF A SUCH THING WITH AN ARTIST LIKE PRINCE....WTF dear PEOPLE A THE ESTATE !!!

1st posthomous album....a 35 mn rehearsal ...Humm...Sorry what is the Trouble??


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Reply #108 posted 09/09/18 2:58pm

Silvertongue7

The timing of Why The Butterflies has been added to iTunes, so I guess it will be the next available download. Such a shame that it’s just prince howling at the moon or something and it really doesn’t go anywhere...
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Reply #109 posted 09/09/18 3:49pm

Matthaus

I am enjoying hearing 17 Days so far. Maybe the full thing will be quite more interesting than it sounded when first announced. smile

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Reply #110 posted 09/09/18 11:12pm

JonnyBoyRebel

feeluupp said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

^ Interesting to see such a positive review from the Mail of all places! LOL It's rather odd and irritating though that all these commentators keep saying incorrectly that it's the first posthumous release, it is not, PR Deluxe was - DISC 2 was all 'new' material.

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No it was not the FIRST POSTHUMOUS release...

PR DELUXE was in the contract when Prince regained his masters from WB in 2014... It was supposed to be released but when he did the Paisley Park remaster in 2015 he didn't give WB and extra songs so it was shelfed...

So technically PR DELUXE wasn't a technical posthumous release.

Was it released after his death? Yes. It was therefore posthumous. This will in fact be the third posthumous release along with PR Deluxe and 4Ever.

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Reply #111 posted 09/10/18 5:37am

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fishwillbite said:

SkipperLove said:

So, this is Prince playing? After reading the Guardian interview with Lisa (for which she is given co-writing credits), some people on twitter are claiming that the piano playing in the demo is her? I assumed it was him, but I just want to make sure I was right. I assumed she meant that the song was composed as a group (with Prince as well) during a reggae jam season. then prince created this demo based on what they jammed. And then later the band worked together on the song again to produce the 17 days b-side that we all know and love. Am I right?

[Edited 9/7/18 21:01pm]

I think this does raise an interesting point about how the album will be advertised. Most casual listeners won't really know about Prince's piano skills and will probably assume that he's just singing, with a piano player backing him. There is certainly some room for confusion there.

Don't be ridiculous, it's 2018 not 1983, most casual listeners are sick to fucking death of Prince fans banging on about how he could play every instrument behind his back with his eyes closed better than everyone else. Besides which, this release is hardly for 'casual' fans who only want to hear a finished hit, not Prince noodling away on the piano in rehearsal.

[Edited 9/10/18 5:37am]

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Reply #112 posted 09/10/18 5:39am

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JonnyBoyRebel said:

feeluupp said:

No it was not the FIRST POSTHUMOUS release...

PR DELUXE was in the contract when Prince regained his masters from WB in 2014... It was supposed to be released but when he did the Paisley Park remaster in 2015 he didn't give WB and extra songs so it was shelfed...

So technically PR DELUXE wasn't a technical posthumous release.

Was it released after his death? Yes. It was therefore posthumous. This will in fact be the third posthumous release along with PR Deluxe and 4Ever.

Yes and no. Generically speaking you are correct, it was released after his death so that means its posthumous.

But no in the fact that PR DELUXE and PRINCE4EVER were NOT official planned POSTHUMOUS releases.

Meaning, those two releases were actually planned while he was still alive and were actually apart of the new deal he made for WB in 2014 when he got his masters back. If i remember correctly, I even recall Prince picked the track listing for 4EVER...

But the first official posthumous release from the ESTATE is Piano & A Microphone 83.

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Reply #113 posted 09/10/18 7:16am

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^ Yes but linguistically speaking it is talking about it being the first posthumous actual RELEASE, not posthumous PLANNED release, so to me that is still incorrect.

JonnyBoy is right although i don't really include 4EVER as apart from one bootleg track it was already released material without even a remaster. Despite what they want you to think and some fans incorretly believe, Disc 2 of PR Deluxe was not approved by Prince, it was chosen by WB and his collaborators after his death, making it a 'new' posthumous release in my book. Prince only approved the remaster only not the extra tracks which were added later. This is backed up by interviews by Lisa and Susan Rogers who among others appeared to have had a hand in choosing that disc 2 material.

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Reply #114 posted 09/10/18 9:06am

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Not about being wrong or right...

Piano & A Microphone 1983 is the first posthumous release by the ESTATE that was PLANNED after his death.

Prince4EVER and PR DELUXE are the first posthumous releases, after his death that were planned before his death, simple.

[Edited 9/10/18 9:07am]

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Reply #115 posted 09/10/18 10:49am

Strive

Prince never planned on the From The Vault disc being released with Purple Rain Deluxe. From all reports, the only thing he delievered was the "remastered" album.

Beyond a few questionable decisions (including an early version of The Dance Electric and whatever happened with Our Destiny) it could have been a standalone release. Considering what they chose as the first, it should have been a standalone release.

But still PRD sold 100k copies so Warner's happy. This will probably sell ~13k and it will also make them happy. So whatever.
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Reply #116 posted 09/10/18 12:18pm

Milty2

So it seems Rolling Stone Germany doesn't ship overseas. Anyone know how to get it if they don't live in Germany?

PRINCE - Hometown Hero: vimeo.com/136326665
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Reply #117 posted 09/10/18 4:02pm

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BartVanHemelen said:

RODSERLING said:

when PR deluxe wasn t even spoken of last year. . That s why it s à better choice for WB than 1999 deluxe.

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Dude, don't fucking lie. PR Deluxe got plenty of reviews. Plenty of "major" ones as well, i.e. a full page. Both reviews I've posted here so far are regular ones, drowning in a sea of hundreds of other reviews.

Right. Metacritic gave it a 100 of 100.

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Reply #118 posted 09/11/18 2:51am

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https://consequenceofsoun...fall-2018/

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Two years after his death, Prince’s prolific vault of unreleased material has already become mythic. Now, the Prince Estate has partnered with Warner Bros. to share a home recording of the iconic singer performing with just his piano in 1983. Piano and a Microphone 1983 is a nine-track glimpse into Prince’s talent right before he achieved international stardom and a look we’re fortunate to get. –Clara Scott

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Reply #119 posted 09/11/18 8:53am

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feeluupp said:

Not about being wrong or right...

Piano & A Microphone 1983 is the first posthumous release by the ESTATE that was PLANNED after his death.

Prince4EVER and PR DELUXE are the first posthumous releases, after his death that were planned before his death, simple.

[Edited 9/10/18 9:07am]

Feeluup, you haven't read my post, i said that DISC 2 was not planned before his death. The decision to release those songs was made after his death as he had previously refused to provide them. So you can't really call it a planned release.

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