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BartVanHemelen

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The September 2018 issue of music monthly Mojo features Prince on the cover and inside

According to https://www.mojo4music.co...aul-weller:

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The Revolution remember Prince, the boss from hell with God-given talent

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Also:

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PRINCE His crazy, creative zenith, 1982-1986, by his iconic band, The Revolution. Plus: behind the first full release from The Vault.

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This is the cover:

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Reply #1 posted 07/19/18 11:59am

SkipperLove

DELETED..to admit I was wrong and out of respect.

[Edited 7/19/18 12:00pm]

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Reply #2 posted 07/19/18 12:13pm

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Reply #3 posted 07/19/18 12:30pm

Silvertongue7

SkipperLove said:

Oh good grief. MOJO--one of the few music magazines to not put Prince on the cover when he died. Great. Also, Prince may have been a "boss from hell" (which had better not be a direct quote from a band supposedly "honoring" him in a tour) but his hellish work effort is why he became so acclaimed. It is not because he is some vessel for god-given talent. Its because he worked his butt off to cultivate that talent, and in turn for reasons equal parts pure and self-interest, his band worked their asses off to cultivate the music as well. . Hyperbolic hipster music magazine gibberish I imagine is what we will read in that magazine (with cherry picked quotes) with nothing resembling the balance of Tudahl's book. Like Salieri complaining that God gave that little shallow conceited prick Mozart the talent. Why would God give a devil talent? Talent comes from the person who showed it. It comes from the heart and mind of the person with the talent. Its the best part of who they are, and often a burden not just for others but also for themselves (which is ultimately the point illustrated by the end of the Amadeus movie [a movie Prince was a fan of] when Mozart works himself to death.







[Edited 7/19/18 12:00pm]

[Edited 7/19/18 12:18pm]


I can’t wait to see which song(s) they’ll take credit for this time. I can see the interview going like this:
‘According to Wendy Melvin, Lisa had some doves in a cage that became very restless every evening. This inspired Wendy to write, single-handedly, the Revolution and Prince’s hit When Doves Cry. ‘I recorded that song pretty much on my own’, she says. ‘Prince only did the bass line. But while I was mixing it, Lisa told me it just didn’t work, so I decided to leave it out’.
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Reply #4 posted 07/19/18 12:43pm

SkipperLove

Keep in mind, that when you interview five folks about that crazy complex time and man, you are going to hear a lot of nuances and different sides of the man's personality. And there will be some self-serving statements. But I don't think they are as bad as you are stating. He was a hard boss, but this band has also talked about how funny and inspiring he could be. I imagine the editorializing is coming a lot from the writer himself. Two different writers will chose to focus on the statements they want to. Its like the difference between Hahn's and Tudahl's account of the time. Balance is up to the writer to some extent. So, I am not going to blame the Revolution necessarily -- except to say that they should be sure to be balanced as much as they can..and have been at times in past interviews.

And in all fairness, maybe the article will be more balanced and less condensending that that brief statement seems to imply. But what a stupid statement.

Silvertongue7 said:

SkipperLove said:

Oh good grief. MOJO--one of the few music magazines to not put Prince on the cover when he died. Great. Also, Prince may have been a "boss from hell" (which had better not be a direct quote from a band supposedly "honoring" him in a tour) but his hellish work effort is why he became so acclaimed. It is not because he is some vessel for god-given talent. Its because he worked his butt off to cultivate that talent, and in turn for reasons equal parts pure and self-interest, his band worked their asses off to cultivate the music as well. . Hyperbolic hipster music magazine gibberish I imagine is what we will read in that magazine (with cherry picked quotes) with nothing resembling the balance of Tudahl's book. Like Salieri complaining that God gave that little shallow conceited prick Mozart the talent. Why would God give a devil talent? Talent comes from the person who showed it. It comes from the heart and mind of the person with the talent. Its the best part of who they are, and often a burden not just for others but also for themselves (which is ultimately the point illustrated by the end of the Amadeus movie [a movie Prince was a fan of] when Mozart works himself to death.

[Edited 7/19/18 12:00pm]

[Edited 7/19/18 12:18pm]

I can’t wait to see which song(s) they’ll take credit for this time. I can see the interview going like this: ‘According to Wendy Melvin, Lisa had some doves in a cage that became very restless every evening. This inspired Wendy to write, single-handedly, the Revolution and Prince’s hit When Doves Cry. ‘I recorded that song pretty much on my own’, she says. ‘Prince only did the bass line. But while I was mixing it, Lisa told me it just didn’t work, so I decided to leave it out’.

[Edited 7/19/18 12:45pm]

[Edited 7/19/18 12:46pm]

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Reply #5 posted 07/19/18 1:21pm

paulludvig

Silvertongue7 said:

SkipperLove said:

Oh good grief. MOJO--one of the few music magazines to not put Prince on the cover when he died. Great. Also, Prince may have been a "boss from hell" (which had better not be a direct quote from a band supposedly "honoring" him in a tour) but his hellish work effort is why he became so acclaimed. It is not because he is some vessel for god-given talent. Its because he worked his butt off to cultivate that talent, and in turn for reasons equal parts pure and self-interest, his band worked their asses off to cultivate the music as well. . Hyperbolic hipster music magazine gibberish I imagine is what we will read in that magazine (with cherry picked quotes) with nothing resembling the balance of Tudahl's book. Like Salieri complaining that God gave that little shallow conceited prick Mozart the talent. Why would God give a devil talent? Talent comes from the person who showed it. It comes from the heart and mind of the person with the talent. Its the best part of who they are, and often a burden not just for others but also for themselves (which is ultimately the point illustrated by the end of the Amadeus movie [a movie Prince was a fan of] when Mozart works himself to death.







[Edited 7/19/18 12:00pm]

[Edited 7/19/18 12:18pm]


I can’t wait to see which song(s) they’ll take credit for this time. I can see the interview going like this:
‘According to Wendy Melvin, Lisa had some doves in a cage that became very restless every evening. This inspired Wendy to write, single-handedly, the Revolution and Prince’s hit When Doves Cry. ‘I recorded that song pretty much on my own’, she says. ‘Prince only did the bass line. But while I was mixing it, Lisa told me it just didn’t work, so I decided to leave it out’.


lol
Exactly! Notice how they claim that '86 was the end of his zenith.
The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #6 posted 07/19/18 1:24pm

SkipperLove

They probably consider Sign of the Times to be part of 86.

paulludvig said:

Silvertongue7 said:
I can’t wait to see which song(s) they’ll take credit for this time. I can see the interview going like this: ‘According to Wendy Melvin, Lisa had some doves in a cage that became very restless every evening. This inspired Wendy to write, single-handedly, the Revolution and Prince’s hit When Doves Cry. ‘I recorded that song pretty much on my own’, she says. ‘Prince only did the bass line. But while I was mixing it, Lisa told me it just didn’t work, so I decided to leave it out’.
lol Exactly! Notice how they claim that '86 was the end of his zenith.

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Reply #7 posted 07/19/18 1:27pm

paulludvig

SkipperLove said:

They probably consider Sign of the Times to be part of 86.




paulludvig said:


Silvertongue7 said:
I can’t wait to see which song(s) they’ll take credit for this time. I can see the interview going like this: ‘According to Wendy Melvin, Lisa had some doves in a cage that became very restless every evening. This inspired Wendy to write, single-handedly, the Revolution and Prince’s hit When Doves Cry. ‘I recorded that song pretty much on my own’, she says. ‘Prince only did the bass line. But while I was mixing it, Lisa told me it just didn’t work, so I decided to leave it out’.

lol Exactly! Notice how they claim that '86 was the end of his zenith.



Yes, they consider SOTT a Revolution and Prince record
lol "We worked on that album a lot" according to Wendy. Maybe. And their contribution ended up on the cutting room floor.
The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #8 posted 07/19/18 1:36pm

SkipperLove

That might be what she meant (that her contributions were not used). I don't want to turn this into Revolution hating before i read the article. My problem is more with the statement made in the description of the article. We'll see if their quotes help support that statement. But I do think we need to keep in mind that interviews are often long and edited by the writer himself...also, the questions they ask can be agenda driven as well. Revolution members did admit that Prince wrote and recorded the Beautiful ONes, When Doves Cry and Darling Nikki without their imput...other than Lisa's keyboarding talent being an influence on Prince to compete with her on WDC.

paulludvig said:

SkipperLove said:

They probably consider Sign of the Times to be part of 86.

Yes, they consider SOTT a Revolution and Prince record lol "We worked on that album a lot" according to Wendy. Maybe. And their contribution ended up on the cutting room floor.

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Reply #9 posted 07/19/18 5:33pm

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Silvertongue7 said:

I can’t wait to see which song(s) they’ll take credit for this time. I can see the interview going like this: ‘According to Wendy Melvin, Lisa had some doves in a cage that became very restless every evening. This inspired Wendy to write, single-handedly, the Revolution and Prince’s hit When Doves Cry. ‘I recorded that song pretty much on my own’, she says. ‘Prince only did the bass line. But while I was mixing it, Lisa told me it just didn’t work, so I decided to leave it out’.


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Reply #10 posted 07/19/18 7:38pm

SkipperLove

I just realized the magazine says "Prince, by the Revolution". Is this an interview or article written by them. I think its an interview..

EDITED AND DELETED PORTION TO BE FAIR>

IstenSzek said:

Silvertongue7 said:

I can’t wait to see which song(s) they’ll take credit for this time. I can see the interview going like this: ‘According to Wendy Melvin, Lisa had some doves in a cage that became very restless every evening. This inspired Wendy to write, single-handedly, the Revolution and Prince’s hit When Doves Cry. ‘I recorded that song pretty much on my own’, she says. ‘Prince only did the bass line. But while I was mixing it, Lisa told me it just didn’t work, so I decided to leave it out’.


falloff

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Reply #11 posted 07/19/18 8:23pm

frylo

SkipperLove said:

I just realized the magazine says "Prince, by the Revolution". Great, its worst than I thought. The "boss from hell" is probably coming directly from them. I wish associates would stop playing with our emotions.. Who the hell mourns a "friend" who is just a boss from hell with a talent he didn't work for. Knee-jerk reaction. Sorry. The issue is available Tuesday in England. Brits have to let us know the damage or if I am just overreacting.

IstenSzek said:


falloff

Why should anyone have the right to tell Prince's ex-bandmates what to say or feel about the man? They were closer to him and knew him better than we ever did. It's clear that they all admire him and loved working with him, but he was ridiculously hard on them sometimes. Prince was a cool dude, but there is no denying that he could be a dick to the people around him. Why sugarcoat it and pretend he was some super-affable guy all the time? I know everyone here has their own relationship with Prince's music and it has helped all of us through our lives in some way, but some of you could afford to be less possessive and protective of the man and his legacy.

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Reply #12 posted 07/19/18 8:46pm

SkipperLove

Don't assume that I think that his gemini butt couldn't be a 'dick' sometimes. I read many many revolution interviews since his death and before. They didn't sugarcoat him or how hard/tough he could be, but they also didn't generalize either or oversimplify the man. EDITED AND DELETED TO BE FAIR.

frylo said:

SkipperLove said:

I just realized the magazine says "Prince, by the Revolution". Great, its worst than I thought. The "boss from hell" is probably coming directly from them. I wish associates would stop playing with our emotions.. Who the hell mourns a "friend" who is just a boss from hell with a talent he didn't work for. Knee-jerk reaction. Sorry. The issue is available Tuesday in England. Brits have to let us know the damage or if I am just overreacting.

Why should anyone have the right to tell Prince's ex-bandmates what to say or feel about the man? They were closer to him and knew him better than we ever did. It's clear that they all admire him and loved working with him, but he was ridiculously hard on them sometimes. Prince was a cool dude, but there is no denying that he could be a dick to the people around him. Why sugarcoat it and pretend he was some super-affable guy all the time? I know everyone here has their own relationship with Prince's music and it has helped all of us through our lives in some way, but some of you could afford to be less possessive and protective of the man and his legacy.

[Edited 7/19/18 21:23pm]

[Edited 7/21/18 22:40pm]

[Edited 7/23/18 11:33am]

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Reply #13 posted 07/19/18 10:07pm

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Here's an idea: instead of imagining all kinds of shit, WAIT UNTIL THE FUCKING ARTICLE IS PUBLISHED, read it and comment on what is actually being said.

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Or is this circlejerk too much fun?

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Reply #14 posted 07/19/18 10:27pm

frylo

SkipperLove said:

Don't assume that I think that his gemini butt couldn't be a 'dick' sometimes. I read many many revolution interviews since his death and before. They didn't sugarcoat him or how hard/tough he could be, but they also didn't generalize either or oversimplify the man. They pointed out the supposed good and bad. "Boss from hell" if it is coming directly from them lacks the nuance or complexity of the other depictions of him. So, forgive me if I am over-protective. I will give them some slack if that is merely some British depiction of their accounts of him. But I would hate to think that the humor and lighter sides they depicted in the last couple years were false and just ways to get folks to come see them perform. If the attitude shifts to pure negativity as their music shifts from Prince-centric to stuff of their own, (they hinted at new music recently) then I am done with them. No one is saying that Prince coudln't be a dick; but he is not the only self-serving person in that industry. Complicated men are not one thing or the other. Calling him a friend with complexity right after he died ("friend" was Lisa's word) and then shifting to a narrative of pure negativity is not right or honest. If he wasn't a friend in the first place, they should not have said he was one. Telling them to be fair, honest, and consistent no matter what career moves they are making is not unreasonable since they want our money and attention. LIke I said, I went back and re-read an interview in which they talked about the last time they talked to Prince and what they felt when he died. Mark was in tears, they all were. Crocodile tears are not cool if that is what they were doing. But who in their right minds legitimately mourns a man who made them miserable for 4 or 5 years and then hardly talked to them again-- unless its either more complicated than that generalized statement just implied (I pray it was) or they are faking it (I pray they aren't) . I don't like being played---I just hope I am not being. God help his fans, if he is now being simply depicted as James BRown in all his violent, psycho glory.

frylo said:

Why should anyone have the right to tell Prince's ex-bandmates what to say or feel about the man? They were closer to him and knew him better than we ever did. It's clear that they all admire him and loved working with him, but he was ridiculously hard on them sometimes. Prince was a cool dude, but there is no denying that he could be a dick to the people around him. Why sugarcoat it and pretend he was some super-affable guy all the time? I know everyone here has their own relationship with Prince's music and it has helped all of us through our lives in some way, but some of you could afford to be less possessive and protective of the man and his legacy.

[Edited 7/19/18 21:23pm]

You're jumping to conclusions based on a brief description of an article pulled from the magazine's website. We have no clue if those descriptions came from the Revolution verbatim, and if they did, I'm sure they were taken out of context in some way.

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Reply #15 posted 07/19/18 11:15pm

SkipperLove

True. Just worried a bit. This was intended to be a reply to the previous poster. Ooops.

[Edited 7/19/18 23:20pm]

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Reply #16 posted 07/19/18 11:25pm

SkipperLove

I overreacted. I guess I am just preparing myself for the worst. With celebrities, you never know what is going to come up. They all seem to be majorly disappointing us lately. I thought i had already heard the worst of Prince; I just hope that is the case.

frylo said:

SkipperLove said:

Don't assume that I think that his gemini butt couldn't be a 'dick' sometimes. I read many many revolution interviews since his death and before. They didn't sugarcoat him or how hard/tough he could be, but they also didn't generalize either or oversimplify the man. They pointed out the supposed good and bad. "Boss from hell" if it is coming directly from them lacks the nuance or complexity of the other depictions of him. So, forgive me if I am over-protective. I will give them some slack if that is merely some British depiction of their accounts of him. But I would hate to think that the humor and lighter sides they depicted in the last couple years were false and just ways to get folks to come see them perform. If the attitude shifts to pure negativity as their music shifts from Prince-centric to stuff of their own, (they hinted at new music recently) then I am done with them. No one is saying that Prince coudln't be a dick; but he is not the only self-serving person in that industry. Complicated men are not one thing or the other. Calling him a friend with complexity right after he died ("friend" was Lisa's word) and then shifting to a narrative of pure negativity is not right or honest. If he wasn't a friend in the first place, they should not have said he was one. Telling them to be fair, honest, and consistent no matter what career moves they are making is not unreasonable since they want our money and attention. LIke I said, I went back and re-read an interview in which they talked about the last time they talked to Prince and what they felt when he died. Mark was in tears, they all were. Crocodile tears are not cool if that is what they were doing. But who in their right minds legitimately mourns a man who made them miserable for 4 or 5 years and then hardly talked to them again-- unless its either more complicated than that generalized statement just implied (I pray it was) or they are faking it (I pray they aren't) . I don't like being played---I just hope I am not being. God help his fans, if he is now being simply depicted as James BRown in all his violent, psycho glory.

[Edited 7/19/18 21:23pm]

You're jumping to conclusions based on a brief description of an article pulled from the magazine's website. We have no clue if those descriptions came from the Revolution verbatim, and if they did, I'm sure they were taken out of context in some way.

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Reply #17 posted 07/19/18 11:25pm

SkipperLove

I overreacted. I guess I am just preparing myself for the worst. With celebrities, you never know what is going to come up. They all seem to be majorly disappointing us lately. I thought i had already heard the worst of Prince; I just hope that is the case.

frylo said:

SkipperLove said:

Don't assume that I think that his gemini butt couldn't be a 'dick' sometimes. I read many many revolution interviews since his death and before. They didn't sugarcoat him or how hard/tough he could be, but they also didn't generalize either or oversimplify the man. They pointed out the supposed good and bad. "Boss from hell" if it is coming directly from them lacks the nuance or complexity of the other depictions of him. So, forgive me if I am over-protective. I will give them some slack if that is merely some British depiction of their accounts of him. But I would hate to think that the humor and lighter sides they depicted in the last couple years were false and just ways to get folks to come see them perform. If the attitude shifts to pure negativity as their music shifts from Prince-centric to stuff of their own, (they hinted at new music recently) then I am done with them. No one is saying that Prince coudln't be a dick; but he is not the only self-serving person in that industry. Complicated men are not one thing or the other. Calling him a friend with complexity right after he died ("friend" was Lisa's word) and then shifting to a narrative of pure negativity is not right or honest. If he wasn't a friend in the first place, they should not have said he was one. Telling them to be fair, honest, and consistent no matter what career moves they are making is not unreasonable since they want our money and attention. LIke I said, I went back and re-read an interview in which they talked about the last time they talked to Prince and what they felt when he died. Mark was in tears, they all were. Crocodile tears are not cool if that is what they were doing. But who in their right minds legitimately mourns a man who made them miserable for 4 or 5 years and then hardly talked to them again-- unless its either more complicated than that generalized statement just implied (I pray it was) or they are faking it (I pray they aren't) . I don't like being played---I just hope I am not being. God help his fans, if he is now being simply depicted as James BRown in all his violent, psycho glory.

[Edited 7/19/18 21:23pm]

You're jumping to conclusions based on a brief description of an article pulled from the magazine's website. We have no clue if those descriptions came from the Revolution verbatim, and if they did, I'm sure they were taken out of context in some way.

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Reply #18 posted 07/21/18 2:51am

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Skipperlove are you Purplerabbithole?
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Reply #19 posted 07/21/18 4:11am

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A 15-track CD included?
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Reply #20 posted 07/21/18 7:18am

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A 15-track CD included?

Yes, they always do that. It's always a compilation of songs that have something to do with one of the articles. Looking at the title, it's reggae this time, coupled to the piece about Trojan Records.
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Reply #21 posted 07/21/18 7:59am

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anangellooksdown said:

A 15-track CD included?

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Lemme help you out: do you see anything on the cover that is CD-shaped?

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Still too hard? Tried CLICKING THE LINK?

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Reply #22 posted 07/21/18 8:49pm

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anangellooksdown said:

A 15-track CD included?


Some of the track are used.


The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #23 posted 07/21/18 8:53pm

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Oh goodie, more Revolution bashing.
Damn right you overreacted.
It's obvious the "from hell" comes from the editor.
The printed press is firing its last bullets.

"Crocodile tears"?
See you later, alligator.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #24 posted 07/21/18 10:39pm

SkipperLove

In my defense, the "from hell" comment is an editor's interpretion of their words. I am not bashing them; I am wondering and questioning. I was presenting my reaction to the worst case scenario but I didn't state that the worse case scenario would definitely be the case. Its hard to trust folks in the public eye these days. I want to believe them when they say good things and I want to believe that less favorable statements about the man are not coming from a place of ill will.

I do agree that perhaps "the printed press is firing its last bullets" in that they need shocking statements to draw in readers. about the magazine. For a brief moment, I thought the editor was describing an article written by the Revolution ("Prince, by the Revolution") so I worried that that statement would have come from their words. But I did go back and re-look at the internet article on the magazine and apparently it looks like it was an interview.--so I am back to thinking that perhaps it was an editor's attempt at rock n roll sensationalism..(something my original post was disparaging of.)

If Revolution members are reading, I am sorry if I over-reacted.

bonatoc said:

Oh goodie, more Revolution bashing.
Damn right you overreacted.
It's obvious the "from hell" comes from the editor.
The printed press is firing its last bullets.

"Crocodile tears"?
See you later, alligator.

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Reply #25 posted 07/21/18 10:43pm

SkipperLove

??

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Skipperlove are you Purplerabbithole?

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Reply #26 posted 07/22/18 1:11am

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Article is apparently ten pages long:

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Reply #27 posted 07/22/18 2:18am

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SkipperLove said:

??

jaawwnn said:

Skipperlove are you Purplerabbithole?

You just write like him and have very much the same concerns/issues with bandmates not showing the correct levels of respect in the correct ways that you have divined are necessary in order to prove that they're not making money off his death.

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Reply #28 posted 07/22/18 5:26am

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Wendy and Lisa stated somewhere that they weren't making no profit out of their tribute tour (and that in fact they had to pay themselves for some of the dates). And they certainly did not wait for Prince to earn a living, I think their Emmy proves it.

Keep in mind most of his past collaborators are cursed with the "Mark Hamill" syndrome. They're so strongly associated with Prince that it's nearly impossible for them, talents aside, to be considered outside of Prince's sphere and influence.
Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #29 posted 07/22/18 5:41am

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BartVanHemelen said:

Article is apparently ten pages long:


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Oh God... Give me strenght.
The wooh is on the one!
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Forums > Prince: Music and More > The September 2018 issue of music monthly Mojo features Prince on the cover and inside