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Reply #60 posted 06/27/18 11:34am

Silvertongue7

^^^ The amount doesn’t matter to me eithe; it’s just another disappointment though, at least initially, as the deal doesn’t include new material. We’ll see, people who know Legacy seem to be happy, so they’ll hopefully do a good job. And I don’t really have many remixes or b sides from the 90s on, so that will be cool to get. But at this rate I think I’ll be dead before they release the stuff I really want (like my personal holy grail, which would be the The Time’s albums with Prince’s vocals). Anyway, anything that means exposure is good news, although for me slightly disappointing as well...
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Reply #61 posted 06/27/18 11:38am

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Sony Legacy's main masttering engineer is Vic Anesini, one of the best in the business. Let's hope he gets to re-do the Prince albums, especially the ones with dodgy sound such as "Parade" and "Sign". Anesini has worked miracles with the Elvis catalog.

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Reply #62 posted 06/27/18 11:39am

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endymion said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I wonder how much this deal is for? Hopefully WAY over $30 Million.

Why??? What difference does it make if it was $29 million or $50 million ??

It makes a BIG difference. Prince worked VERY hard to get the respect & financial worth he wanted with his VAST catalog of music that rivaled ANY artist. He guarded them with his life and only allowed TWO PEOPLE(Joshua & JAY-Z) access to it. So he would be proud looking down on knowing it's worth was achieved.

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
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Reply #63 posted 06/27/18 11:39am

Silvertongue7

jjhunsecker said:

Sony Legacy's main masttering engineer is Vic Anesini, one of the best in the business. Let's hope he gets to re-do the Prince albums, especially the ones with dodgy sound such as "Parade" and "Sign". Anesini has worked miracles with the Elvis catalog.


Great to hear that. But they’re not getting Parade, I don’t think.
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Reply #64 posted 06/27/18 11:44am

nelcp777

Cool, I think this is great.
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Reply #65 posted 06/27/18 11:48am

leadline

Great that this stuff will be on the shelves, but we already have all this stuff no? Not the most exciting of announcements.

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Reply #66 posted 06/27/18 11:50am

luvsexy4all

does this mean they will be remastered with bonus tracks? doesnt appear so

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Reply #67 posted 06/27/18 12:00pm

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Piano & Microphone 83 may not excite many, but it's more interesting to me than offering to sell me albums I already own, most on multiple formats, again.

I'll be the first in line for the albums that never got a physical release.

I'll buy LPs of albums that never got a vinyl release.

I'll buy "expanded" & "deluxe" albums with previously unreleased music and/or which collect singles and b-sides.

I'm not excited for "remasters". The originals may need an update, but, if it's a brickwalling like Purple Rain got, no thanks, I'll stick with the originals. (I'll never play Purple Rain Deluxe CD1 ever again!)

If anything, I would prefer to buy some "unmastered" albums from the last 20 years or so. They're all brickwalled and sound horrible.

I might buy Lovesexy again if it's tracked, but then, how many here would complain because "that's not how Prince wanted it".

I might buy reissues if they come in jewel cases and the original was a digi-pack, but then, it's likely to go the other way.

So, yeah, maybe I'll buy all of the reissues, and maybe I'll buy none of them. That's up to Sony and the Estate I guess.

For sure I'll keep buying every "vault" release, even if it's an illogical choice like P&M83.

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Reply #68 posted 06/27/18 12:02pm

luvsexy4all

since it says they have rights also to b-sides and remixes etc ...hopefully they will include those with each release

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Reply #69 posted 06/27/18 12:06pm

Silvertongue7

djThunderfunk said:

Piano & Microphone 83 may not excite many, but it's more interesting to me than offering to sell me albums I already own, most on multiple formats, again.

I'll be the first in line for the albums that never got a physical release.

I'll buy LPs of albums that never got a vinyl release.

I'll buy "expanded" & "deluxe" albums with previously unreleased music and/or which collect singles and b-sides.

I'm not excited for "remasters". The originals may need an update, but, if it's a brickwalling like Purple Rain got, no thanks, I'll stick with the originals. (I'll never play Purple Rain Deluxe CD1 ever again!)

If anything, I would prefer to buy some "unmastered" albums from the last 20 years or so. They're all brickwalled and sound horrible.

I might buy Lovesexy again if it's tracked, but then, how many here would complain because "that's not how Prince wanted it".

I might buy reissues if they come in jewel cases and the original was a digi-pack, but then, it's likely to go the other way.

So, yeah, maybe I'll buy all of the reissues, and maybe I'll buy none of them. That's up to Sony and the Estate I guess.

For sure I'll keep buying every "vault" release, even if it's an illogical choice like P&M83.


If you want Lovesexy tracked, have you thought of buying the European version? I’m sure shipping to the US won’t be very expensive - I’ve bought CDs from the US and it’s never been a huge amount, I guess it will be similar the other way round.
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Reply #70 posted 06/27/18 12:06pm

jjhunsecker

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Silvertongue7 said:

jjhunsecker said:

Sony Legacy's main masttering engineer is Vic Anesini, one of the best in the business. Let's hope he gets to re-do the Prince albums, especially the ones with dodgy sound such as "Parade" and "Sign". Anesini has worked miracles with the Elvis catalog.

Great to hear that. But they’re not getting Parade, I don’t think.

Well, pretty much all of the WB catalog sounds like crap on CD, so I hope whatever Anecini and his crew can get their hands on will show sonic improvement

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Reply #71 posted 06/27/18 12:08pm

Silvertongue7

jjhunsecker said:



Silvertongue7 said:


jjhunsecker said:

Sony Legacy's main masttering engineer is Vic Anesini, one of the best in the business. Let's hope he gets to re-do the Prince albums, especially the ones with dodgy sound such as "Parade" and "Sign". Anesini has worked miracles with the Elvis catalog.



Great to hear that. But they’re not getting Parade, I don’t think.

Well, pretty much all of the WB catalog sounds like crap on CD, so I hope whatever Anecini and his crew can get their hands on will show sonic improvement


I know. Parade and SOTT are the ones which sound worst to me though.
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Reply #72 posted 06/27/18 12:09pm

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My dream for Prince was always what Rhino did with the Elvis Costello catalog when they had the rights- put out every album as a 2 CD set- the first CD being the original album rematered, and the second CD containing b-sides, demos, live cuts , and other rare items contemporary or related to the album.

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Reply #73 posted 06/27/18 12:23pm

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So by my count, the 12 WB releases under Sony are: 4U, Prince, DM, Controversy, 1999, ATWIAD, SOTT, Lovesexy, D&P, Symbol, Come and Chaos. PR, Parade, Batman and Graffiti are excluded as WB licenced soundtracks. Black & OF4S must have been in the closing deal and fallen to NPG (guessing)

Th Estate already has ownership of that Master Recording.

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
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Reply #74 posted 06/27/18 12:23pm

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so what is happening to the post 95 vault material? are they going to cut a new deal with
yet another company for that? or will the estate create their own store?

it seems so unlikely that unreleased material isn't included in this new sony deal. because,
what's the incentive for people to re-purchase these albums that they will distribute now?

remastered versions? but they sound ok to me from 96 onward.

and what general public is going to buy any of these albums if they aren't big enough fans
to already have them anyway and they are now all going to be on streaming services?


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Reply #75 posted 06/27/18 12:26pm

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

So by my count, the 12 WB releases under Sony are: 4U, Prince, DM, Controversy, 1999, ATWIAD, SOTT, Lovesexy, D&P, Symbol, Come and Chaos. PR, Parade, Batman and Graffiti are excluded as WB licenced soundtracks. Black & OF4S must have been in the closing deal and fallen to NPG (guessing)

Th Estate already has ownership of that Master Recording.


surely the estate already owns ALL the master recordings under the new deal that prince made
with WB. at this moment WB just has exclusive licensing/distrubution up until 2021 for all of the
WB albums. except for PR, Parade, Batman and GB, which they own forever.

or did i not get a memo?


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Reply #76 posted 06/27/18 12:45pm

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Said a few thoughts on camera here.



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Reply #77 posted 06/27/18 12:52pm

ChocolateBox31
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IstenSzek said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Th Estate already has ownership of that Master Recording.


surely the estate already owns ALL the master recordings under the new deal that prince made
with WB. at this moment WB just has exclusive licensing/distrubution up until 2021 for all of the
WB albums. except for PR, Parade, Batman and GB, which they own forever.

or did i not get a memo?


[Edited 6/27/18 12:26pm]

4U IS NOT included in this new Sony deal.

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
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Reply #78 posted 06/27/18 1:20pm

luvsexy4all

what about 20ten???? since this was never released (sold)

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Reply #79 posted 06/27/18 1:26pm

rogifan

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rogifan said:





I dunno, for me getting the non-WB albums on streaming services and iTunes is a big deal. Of course the 2014 and 2015 albums are already on streaming services.


I certainly agree!

It's would be convenient having the missing releases on Spotify for when out and about.


lol


Yeah it’s weird seeing Come and then nothing until AOA. I didn’t see LotusFlow3r mentioned in the press release. I hope it’s part of the deal.
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Reply #80 posted 06/27/18 1:33pm

wishlish

This is my take on it.


They're saying "the 35 studio albums", but that's a bit vague. This is the best info I could find, breaking down cited albums in press releases vs guesses:


Staying at WB (for now, at least):

The WB Soundtrack albums:

Purple Rain (1984)- explicitly named in Rolling Stone

Parade (1986)- explicitly named in Rolling Stone

Batman (1989)- a guess- but the rights have to be complicated if separated from WB, who owns the movie and the character


Phase 1: 1995 and later-

Explicity mentioned, and starting immediately (although release dates unknown):

The Gold Experience (1995)

Emancipation (1996)

Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic (1999) (I'm assuming this also includes Rave In2)

The Rainbow Children (2001)

Musicology (2004)

3121 (2006)

Planet Earth (2007)


Phase 2: The 2014-2015 albums- mentioned in press releases without names, probably waiting for rights to expire:

Plectrumelectrum (2014)

Art Official Age (2014)

Hit N Run Phase 1 (2015)

Hit N Run Phase 2 (2015/6)


Phase 3: 1978-1996 (Warner Bros era)-

These come in 2021, after the current WB agreement expires

Prince (1979)

Dirty Mind (1980)

Controversy (1981)

1999 (1982)

Around the World in a Day (1985)

Sign O' The Times (1987)

Lovesexy (1988)

Diamonds and Pearls (1991)

[Love Symbol] (1992)


So that's 20 albums. That leaves out 15 from their count of 35.

Not explicitly named, my best guess:

Before 1996, probably still at WB until 2021:

For You (1978)

Come (1994)

The Black Album (1987/1994, depending on your view)

Chaos and Disorder (1996)


Released after 1996, but WB may still claim this because of when the material was recorded:

Crystal Ball (1998)

The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale (1999)


After WB:

The Truth (1998)

One Nite Alone (2002) (The studio album, not the live set)

Xpectation (2003)

NEWS (2003)

The Chocolate Invasion (2004)

The Slaughterhouse (2004)

Lotusflow3r (2009)

MPLSound (2009) (Is this a separate album from Lotusflow3r?)

20Ten (2010)
By my count, that's 15 albums.


But what about the live albums?
One Nite Alone...Live! (2002)

C-Note (2004)

Indigo Nights (2008)


Also unknown- the NPG albums, the spinoff acts like the Time, anything recorded to Paisley Park, Internet offerings like NPG Music Club, and of course, anything in the Vault or live shows recorded but unreleased.

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Reply #81 posted 06/27/18 1:41pm

IstenSzek

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

IstenSzek said:


surely the estate already owns ALL the master recordings under the new deal that prince made
with WB. at this moment WB just has exclusive licensing/distrubution up until 2021 for all of the
WB albums. except for PR, Parade, Batman and GB, which they own forever.

or did i not get a memo?


[Edited 6/27/18 12:26pm]

4U IS NOT included in this new Sony deal.


aaah! now i get it! thanks biggrin

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Reply #82 posted 06/27/18 1:47pm

darkroman

I do think Warners should still continue their reissue programme simply because it was fun. It was great to see replicas reprinted. This is something Legacy won't be able to do.

In fact this Legacy agreement is a little odd as I feel there isn't a market for Prince's old CDs.

There are many titles in the shops but they don't sell that well and the ones that are out-of-print are out-of-print because no one was buying them.

Time will tell but history has shown Prince has moved from label to label because of the kudos the labels were seeking - sales were never great.

Ultimately Legacy will only release the titles and the quantities they think will sell and without doubt they will call a stop to it all if it goes nowhere.


lol lol lol

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Reply #83 posted 06/27/18 2:27pm

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Gonna be weird to see the 1978-1996 albums without the WB logo

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Reply #84 posted 06/27/18 2:28pm

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So the “non-album tracks” referred to in the press release are not vault songs? I assumed non-album tracks that were not B-sides, would be vault tracks, no?
"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
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Reply #85 posted 06/27/18 2:32pm

Strive

wishlish said:

This is my take on it.


They're saying "the 35 studio albums", but that's a bit vague. This is the best info I could find, breaking down cited albums in press releases vs guesses:




The soundtracks are WB's forever. So Purple Rain, Parade, Batman, Graffiti Bridge are never leaving.

The Variety article specifically mentioned this deal doesn't include The Black Album. So I'm guessing there's something weird going on with Prince's post-92 WB work. So count out The Black Album, Come, Chaos & Disorder, Old Friends 4 Sale.

The press release did mention live recordings so One Night Alone...Live, It Ain't Over and Indigo Nights are probably included. Same with all the one-off singles post WB.
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Reply #86 posted 06/27/18 2:36pm

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

So the “non-album tracks” referred to in the press release are not vault songs? I assumed non-album tracks that were not B-sides, would be vault tracks, no?

The press release states:

In addition to the album titles from the 1995-2010 era, the agreement also includes rights to other previously released material recorded post-1995 including singles, b-sides, remixes, non-album tracks, live recordings and music videos.

I would take that to mean all the items listed we have heard or seen before.

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Reply #87 posted 06/27/18 2:43pm

SchlomoThaHomo

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motherfunka said:



SchlomoThaHomo said:


So the “non-album tracks” referred to in the press release are not vault songs? I assumed non-album tracks that were not B-sides, would be vault tracks, no?



The press release states:



In addition to the album titles from the 1995-2010 era, the agreement also includes rights to other previously released material recorded post-1995 including singles, b-sides, remixes, non-album tracks, live recordings and music videos.



I would take that to mean all the items listed we have heard or seen before.



I’m just trying to remember tracks that were released but not on an album. F.U.N.K. and...? Maybe NPGMC tracks that didn’t make it to Chocolate Invasion and Slaughterhouse??
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Reply #88 posted 06/27/18 2:56pm

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Why everybody is so excited, i don't get it?
We are talling about re-releases of already released albums.
So what?
Boring.
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Reply #89 posted 06/27/18 2:57pm

jdcxc

SchlomoThaHomo said:

motherfunka said:



SchlomoThaHomo said:


So the “non-album tracks” referred to in the press release are not vault songs? I assumed non-album tracks that were not B-sides, would be vault tracks, no?



The press release states:



In addition to the album titles from the 1995-2010 era, the agreement also includes rights to other previously released material recorded post-1995 including singles, b-sides, remixes, non-album tracks, live recordings and music videos.



I would take that to mean all the items listed we have heard or seen before.



I’m just trying to remember tracks that were released but not on an album. F.U.N.K. and...? Maybe NPGMC tracks that didn’t make it to Chocolate Invasion and Slaughterhouse??


Isn’t “non-album tracks” the same as “B sides”? Didn’t the term B-sides end in the 90s?
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