2004Fan said:

I don't think the Carver County Sheriff Office did but the FBI and DEA might have. We just don't know...

che777x said:

All three persons in Prince’s inner circle, that he paid to take care of him, have backgrounds (easily found on the web) that scream a knowledge and/or awareness of drug abuse symptoms and drug-related problems. Yet, they did not recognize the symptoms in P??? Why would P hire people with this knowledge if he didn’t expect them to monitor him? Did the investigators do any research into their backgrounds?

I think the DEA was more focused on the drugs, the maker, how they were obtained than looking into his associates doing any embezzling or lack of care.

I am sure they looked at the inner circle as a possible source of procurement. Speculation, as those files from the DEA have not been released.

Carver County may be looking into embezzling, maybe not. Not all files were released. At this point, new investigators need to review the case. Still, with all the errors made, it will be hard.

I do not know why Carver County did not ask the FBI to help with forensics on this case.

disch said:

disch said:

I think if people don't want to, say, attend to the recent concerts the Revolution members or the NPG or Andre Cymone, because they feel they're taking advantage of P's death, that's totally their right to do (as I said before, I personally enjoyed seeing the Revolution last year and appreciated the opportunity come together with P fans to to keep P's music alive by people who actually had a hand in its origins, but I understand it's not for everyone).

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I think, though, that boycotting these people and everyone else that P ever had a professional or personal relationship with because they in some way contributed to P's death by not properly intervening or whatever is quite a stretch. Most of thse folks had very little active contact with him for years, even decades. I for one am not going to hold them responsible for P's choices.

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Frankly I wouldn't really assign blame to anyone else for P's problems unless that person actively enabled in the last stage of his life (by either procuring stuff for him ilegally or by intentionally establishing an evironment where P's drug problems could flourish).

[Edited 7/12/18 11:13am]

That's fine, if you want to support them go for it. Personally, I'm not. It's been over 2 years and they are still riding on P's coat tails, they didn't dare do it when P was alive. Once new music comes out of the vault, they will be forgotten about and will go away. I blame them for using him, right now in the present.

I get it Penny. You've talked about this a LOT.

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It's not about "supporting them." I'm not just mailing, say, the former member of the Revolution cash or something because they need it to pay their bills.

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It's about ME -- me having fun, me being entertained. Same reason I go to any concert, buy any music, etc: because it enhances MY life. I don't consider it an act of charity for whoever the producer is, and I'm certainly not going to apologize for having fun at the revolution concert, nor would I hold it against some else if they had fun at a concert I didn't go to, such as the NPG's.

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If seeing Prince live were an option right now, I'd jump on it! But you know, it's not.

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Anything Prince's former colleagues or girlfriends or whatever do that I don't think will my be enjoyable or enriching TO ME in some way, then I'll pass.

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Edited to add: Sorry I know this is an "associates" issue, not on the topic of the death investigation.

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PennyPurple said:

disch said:

I think if people don't want to, say, attend to the recent concerts the Revolution members or the NPG or Andre Cymone, because they feel they're taking advantage of P's death, that's totally their right to do (as I said before, I personally enjoyed seeing the Revolution last year and appreciated the opportunity come together with P fans to to keep P's music alive by people who actually had a hand in its origins, but I understand it's not for everyone).

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I think, though, that boycotting these people and everyone else that P ever had a professional or personal relationship with because they in some way contributed to P's death by not properly intervening or whatever is quite a stretch. Most of thse folks had very little active contact with him for years, even decades. I for one am not going to hold them responsible for P's choices.

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Frankly I wouldn't really assign blame to anyone else for P's problems unless that person actively enabled in the last stage of his life (by either procuring stuff for him ilegally or by intentionally establishing an evironment where P's drug problems could flourish).

[Edited 7/12/18 11:13am]

That's fine, if you want to support them go for it. Personally, I'm not. It's been over 2 years and they are still riding on P's coat tails, they didn't dare do it when P was alive. Once new music comes out of the vault, they will be forgotten about and will go away. I blame them for using him, right now in the present.

[Edited 7/12/18 11:51am]

PennyPurple said:

disch said:

I think if people don't want to, say, attend to the recent concerts the Revolution members or the NPG or Andre Cymone, because they feel they're taking advantage of P's death, that's totally their right to do (as I said before, I personally enjoyed seeing the Revolution last year and appreciated the opportunity come together with P fans to to keep P's music alive by people who actually had a hand in its origins, but I understand it's not for everyone).

-

I think, though, that boycotting these people and everyone else that P ever had a professional or personal relationship with because they in some way contributed to P's death by not properly intervening or whatever is quite a stretch. Most of thse folks had very little active contact with him for years, even decades. I for one am not going to hold them responsible for P's choices.

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Frankly I wouldn't really assign blame to anyone else for P's problems unless that person actively enabled in the last stage of his life (by either procuring stuff for him ilegally or by intentionally establishing an evironment where P's drug problems could flourish).

[Edited 7/12/18 11:13am]

That's fine, if you want to support them go for it. Personally, I'm not. It's been over 2 years and they are still riding on P's coat tails, they didn't dare do it when P was alive. Once new music comes out of the vault, they will be forgotten about and will go away. I blame them for using him, right now in the present.

You supported the release of Mayte Garcia's book, "The Most Beautiful: My Life With Prince", not even a year before the first anniversary of Prince's death. It's a bit hypocritical to say any other associate are riding Prince's coat tails and they didn't tour using his music without him when he was alive, when Mayte accused Prince of hiding and then burning Ahmir's ashes and revealed information about Prince that Prince would not made public if he was alive for profit by toting her book on radio, television and other media. Just as Mayte has the right to tell her story about her life with Prince, personally and professionally, other associates have a right to tour behind music that they had a hand in helping arrange, compose and record.

bashraka said:

PennyPurple said:

That's fine, if you want to support them go for it. Personally, I'm not. It's been over 2 years and they are still riding on P's coat tails, they didn't dare do it when P was alive. Once new music comes out of the vault, they will be forgotten about and will go away. I blame them for using him, right now in the present.

You supported the release of Mayte Garcia's book, "The Most Beautiful: My Life With Prince", not even a year before the first anniversary of Prince's death. It's a bit hypocritical to say any other associate are riding Prince's coat tails and they didn't tour using his music without him when he was alive, when Mayte accused Prince of hiding and then burning Ahmir's ashes and revealed information about Prince that Prince would not made public if he was alive for profit by toting her book on radio, television and other media. Just as Mayte has the right to tell her story about her life with Prince, personally and professionally, other associates have a right to tour behind music that they had a hand in helping arrange, compose and record.

Yep I sure did, even did a book club on it.

Knowing what I know now, nobody gets my support, not even Mayte.

Edited to add.....^^Except Denise Mathews family, if they ever came out with a book about her, I would buy it & I will also buy Princes 50 pages of his writing if it ever comes out.

[Edited 7/12/18 17:58pm]

PennyPurple said:

bashraka said:

You supported the release of Mayte Garcia's book, "The Most Beautiful: My Life With Prince", not even a year before the first anniversary of Prince's death. It's a bit hypocritical to say any other associate are riding Prince's coat tails and they didn't tour using his music without him when he was alive, when Mayte accused Prince of hiding and then burning Ahmir's ashes and revealed information about Prince that Prince would not made public if he was alive for profit by toting her book on radio, television and other media. Just as Mayte has the right to tell her story about her life with Prince, personally and professionally, other associates have a right to tour behind music that they had a hand in helping arrange, compose and record.

Yep I sure did, even did a book club on it.

Knowing what I know now, nobody gets my support, not even Mayte.

Edited to add.....^^Except Denise Mathews family, if they ever came out with a book about her, I would buy it & I will also buy Princes 50 pages of his writing if it ever comes out.

[Edited 7/12/18 17:58pm]

Mayte was foul for that reality tv show she did on VH1. Soon as Prince's death hit the newswire, I knew she and others of her ilk was going to shill anything and everything that Prince ever touched.

bashraka said:

PennyPurple said:

Yep I sure did, even did a book club on it.

Knowing what I know now, nobody gets my support, not even Mayte.

Edited to add.....^^Except Denise Mathews family, if they ever came out with a book about her, I would buy it & I will also buy Princes 50 pages of his writing if it ever comes out.

[Edited 7/12/18 17:58pm]

Mayte was foul for that reality tv show she did on VH1. Soon as Prince's death hit the newswire, I knew she and others of her ilk was going to shill anything and everything that Prince ever touched.

Sorry, I never watched it, nor do I have a desire to hunt it down to watch it.

I can't speak for anyone else but these police records opened up my eyes to his circle of ASSociates. Also all of the auctions of his things also has opened my eyes.

PennyPurple said:

bashraka said:

Mayte was foul for that reality tv show she did on VH1. Soon as Prince's death hit the newswire, I knew she and others of her ilk was going to shill anything and everything that Prince ever touched.

Sorry, I never watched it, nor do I have a desire to hunt it down to watch it.

I can't speak for anyone else but these police records opened up my eyes to his circle of ASSociates. Also all of the auctions of his things also has opened my eyes.

They opened my eyes 2 I would say. BUT, I don't know how to say it. I would definitely NEVER support anyone of those that have been mentioned in the reports. But I can't talk about the others who haven't had contact to him for years, it's not like they had any power to do anything since I am sure Prince decided who contacted him and who didn't. If I was one of those who didn't have contact and I wouldn't be one of those who enabled his addiction, I'd find it unfair to get attacked and named in the same sentence as those who did enable or know about his addiction.

We also don't know how bad his addiction was in the 80's or 90's and how well he could hide it. It was pretty clear he couldn't hide in his last few years.

I just try to believe that there weren't only assholes around him, he had so many people around him, and I am sure there are some good people among them.

[Edited 7/12/18 20:08pm]

PennyPurple said:

bashraka said:

Mayte was foul for that reality tv show she did on VH1. Soon as Prince's death hit the newswire, I knew she and others of her ilk was going to shill anything and everything that Prince ever touched.

Sorry, I never watched it, nor do I have a desire to hunt it down to watch it.

I can't speak for anyone else but these police records opened up my eyes to his circle of ASSociates. Also all of the auctions of his things also has opened my eyes.

I agree with every word in your post. Once Prince passed, the only things I would buy are remastered editions of his studio albums, new music and the memoir he was in the process of writing. I can always look at his concerts, look at old interviews to scratch the itch to see Prince visually.

The one thing I have noticed over the years, even while Prince was living, was that he surrounded himself with people that are "real". They have their own issues, their own traumas, their own dysfunctions. As much as I would like to imagine that Prince had found that elusive utopian life, where everything was perfect, the reality is that he (just like many normal folks do) was surrounded with dysfunction in his relationships. None of them were the perfect relationship, the perfect friendship. It was real, and that's all it was.

I cannot blame the associates for a choice that Prince made. Those that are doing so are doing so out of loyalty to Prince, which is admirable, but it's not realistic. No one put a gun to Prince's head and forced him to take the pain pills. Were there enablers around him? I'm sure there were. That is usually the case with every individual that is addicted. (I still cannot accept addiction for years and years - but that is my own bias, because it doesn't match up with the image that I created of Prince, of who I THOUGHT Prince was.)

Were there people riding Prince's shirt tails? Of course there were. He was rich, he was famous, and he hung out with the rich and famous. These people wanted to be rich and famous, too. Yes, they are going to ride his shirt tails for as along as they could, and some are still doing it, because they have to make a living too. Yes, it is off of Prince's work, but many of them also contributed to that work, so the spoils partly belong to them, too.

Do I think someone killed Prince? Not any more. I admit in the very beginning, I pondered that thought. But as you all have shared the depth of what was in those reports, where he had pills hid, how many there were, etc., no, I do not think he was killed. One of the theories was that it was Warner Bros. If that is the case, why wouldn't they have hit when Prince was still on top, when his music was still relevant to the commercial market? We love Prince, we love his music, and we are loyal to him, but for the majority of people - Prince was no longer relevant. We are biased to his relevance, we are biased to his music, we are biased to his importance in the world. Most people only know Purple Rain.

Prince was enigma to us and he preferred it that way. He liked his privacy and the air of mystery. But for many of these people, they lived with him, fought with him, argued with him, and loved him. For many, they knew him for years before he became a star and they kept it real with him. Prince was not an idiot, which is what some would have you believe. Some would have you believe that Prince surrounded himself with people that he didn't know, that were taking advantage of him, that were using him, and Prince, sweet innocent Prince, was completely unaware. Prince knew who the users were. He knew who was taking advantage of his name and fame. But he still CHOSE to keep these people around. Why? Could it be because regardless of their faults, he loved and cared for them, and let them use him because it was the only way he could take care of them?

I mean, I don't know. No one does. What I do know is Prince was an intelligent man with great insight, and he always did everything for a reason. We may never know his reasons, but I'm sure he always did.

che777x said:

PennyPurple said:

Meron admitted that sometimes she helped herself to food out of P's fridge.

I apologize. I should have been clearer – In the Police Investigative Reports, there are pictures or video showing the food containers left on the table in the kitchen, supposedly by P. The sunglasses and tape are on the table also. It was mentioned somewhere that the food left by the chef was still in the fridge. If this is another set of food, take-out or other food that was brought to PP, there may have been a dessert or cookie. In my area, there is usually some small sweet something that would probably have been included, especially if it was purchased at a "boutique-type" eatery. Maybe the question should also include who brought the food to PP, especially if P was not alone.

Facedown20160421 says , ”The sheriff’s office report said the autopsy found fentanyl in Princes blood and his stomach. The autopsy also said the stomach did not have undigested pills, suggesting any pills taken were digested. However the sheriffís office also swabbed some areas in the elevator that appeared to be where Prince may have vomited, and those swabs were tested and ìno controlled substances identifiedî. If a tablet containing fentanyl is taken and Prince feels ill, takes the elevator, vomits, then lies down to die, it seems strange that the vomit contained no controlled substances.”

I’m just suggesting that if there was an addition to this set of food, such as a cookie or dessert, it may have been the vehicle for contamination and was already digested.

In Investigative Report #1 page 96 the chef Roberts says the food he left for Prince on 20160420 evening was not eaten and was in the fridge after he went to Prince's memorial.

There are photos of food on the table but one item looks partially eaten

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Commercial kitchen area photo

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Earlier in the month Prince had been prescribed Ondansetron due to nausea and vomiting. Chef also said he'd been having trouble swallowing.

I don't think the food was eaten.

I don't think the food was laced with fentanyl.

However it is possible Prince DID drink vegetable juice.

And he drank a lot of the 5 hour energy grape juice drinks.

It might have been a drink that was spiked with fentanyl.

The reports talk about having the stomach tested and showing a high level of fentanyl.

If fentanyl is taken into the stomach and absorbed, causing Prince to slow down and possibly vomit, then I think it is strange to not be found in this vomit.

I think it is likely the vomit in the elevator was new.

If there was vomit someone I would imagine Prince would quickly ask someone to clean it up.

The test results on the vomit can be found in:

Search warrants, Subpoenas and Property Data. pdf page 96

item 26A and 26B

We also need to know, even if these fake tablets were ENITRELY made of fentanyl, HOW MANY would it take to cause such high levels of fentanyl in Prince's blood. The levels are insanely high.

IF the answer is MANY TABLETS, then it casts further doubt on the whole official story, as his stomach did not have undigested tablets (as would be seen by someone taking lots of tablets like in a suicide).

Prince was not suicidal. (Dr Mancha in Moline said Prince said he was not suicidal.)

He may have had a premonition he would die one day soon, but that does not mean he took his own life.

bashraka said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

bashraka said:

Mayte was foul for that reality tv show she did on VH1. Soon as Prince's death hit the newswire, I knew she and others of her ilk was going to shill anything and everything that Prince ever touched.

She wanted to sell stuff before he died, not only after. His lawyer or whoever called her and told her that Prince doesn't want her to sell it but Prince didn't want it Back either. If he wasn't interested in that stuff himself why should she keep it?

Because she was part of their life together too. As she always emphasizes now, it was her story too. So why give away/sell things like the engagement ring, or the wedding china? A memento of the "happiest day" of your life?


All I know is that I would never ever give away anything that Prince gave me. No matter how "meaningless" it may be.

CatB said:

CatB said:

Huh? Who hates Mayte? She always had my support. Just like I'm friendly with others of the girls.

disch said:

Divorced people give away or sell stuff from their defunct marriage all the time. I’m not sure how letting shirts and plates collect dust in a closet or storage facility forever is a better fate for these random material objects. - Anyway I know the mod warned us about keeping the thread on topic which is thoughts about the now-closed investigation. There is probably still an open thread in the Associates section for “I hate Mayte” (or “I hate pick fill-in-whatever-girlfriend-or-collaborator”) sentiments. CatB said:

Because she was part of their life together too. As she always emphasizes now, it was herstory too. So why give away/sell things like the engagement ring, or the wedding china? A memento of the "happiest day" of your life?


All I know is that I would never ever give away anything that Prince gave me. No matter how "meaningless" it may be.

ThatWhiteDude said:

CatB said:

Because she was part of their life together too. As she always emphasizes now, it was her story too. So why give away/sell things like the engagement ring, or the wedding china? A memento of the "happiest day" of your life?


All I know is that I would never ever give away anything that Prince gave me. No matter how "meaningless" it may be.

If I remember correct she didn't sell it. But like I said, he didn't take the stuff Back (obviously he didn't want it) so why should she keep it if she felt the same? I don't know if He really burned amirs ashes (honestly I can't imagine he did that), but I can imagine he burned her clothes and other stuff. and if he really did that, then he didn't have the right to stop her from selling stuff especially if he himself didn't want the stuff back. SORRY MODS, I'M GOING BACK TO TOPIC NOW. [Edited 7/13/18 5:41am]

Sure, it's not the thread topic but I wasn't the one who changed it. And I only stated my sentiment. She had the intention to sell those things and I don't understand that notion. When people separate they take their stuff with them and give the ex-partner's stuff away or throw it out or whatever. Why sell it. Especially when you say the person was the love of your life. Well, maybe I'm just too sentimental.

PennyPurple said:

bashraka said:

You supported the release of Mayte Garcia's book, "The Most Beautiful: My Life With Prince", not even a year before the first anniversary of Prince's death. It's a bit hypocritical to say any other associate are riding Prince's coat tails and they didn't tour using his music without him when he was alive, when Mayte accused Prince of hiding and then burning Ahmir's ashes and revealed information about Prince that Prince would not made public if he was alive for profit by toting her book on radio, television and other media. Just as Mayte has the right to tell her story about her life with Prince, personally and professionally, other associates have a right to tour behind music that they had a hand in helping arrange, compose and record.

Yep I sure did, even did a book club on it.

Knowing what I know now, nobody gets my support, not even Mayte.

Edited to add.....^^Except Denise Mathews family, if they ever came out with a book about her, I would buy it & I will also buy Princes 50 pages of his writing if it ever comes out.

[Edited 7/12/18 17:58pm]

+1

(and hopefully a bookclub on both )

facedown20160421 said:

che777x said:

I apologize. I should have been clearer – In the Police Investigative Reports, there are pictures or video showing the food containers left on the table in the kitchen, supposedly by P. The sunglasses and tape are on the table also. It was mentioned somewhere that the food left by the chef was still in the fridge. If this is another set of food, take-out or other food that was brought to PP, there may have been a dessert or cookie. In my area, there is usually some small sweet something that would probably have been included, especially if it was purchased at a "boutique-type" eatery. Maybe the question should also include who brought the food to PP, especially if P was not alone.

Facedown20160421 says , ”The sheriff’s office report said the autopsy found fentanyl in Princes blood and his stomach. The autopsy also said the stomach did not have undigested pills, suggesting any pills taken were digested. However the sheriffís office also swabbed some areas in the elevator that appeared to be where Prince may have vomited, and those swabs were tested and ìno controlled substances identifiedî. If a tablet containing fentanyl is taken and Prince feels ill, takes the elevator, vomits, then lies down to die, it seems strange that the vomit contained no controlled substances.”

I’m just suggesting that if there was an addition to this set of food, such as a cookie or dessert, it may have been the vehicle for contamination and was already digested.

In Investigative Report #1 page 96 the chef Roberts says the food he left for Prince on 20160420 evening was not eaten and was in the fridge after he went to Prince's memorial.

There are photos of food on the table but one item looks partially eaten

videos

16-0709_0008_459-SMM_DSC_009.mov

16-0709_0008_459-SMM_DSC_011.mov

Commercial kitchen area photo

16-0709_0001_469-SLB_DSC_0423

16-0709_0001_469-SLB_DSC_0293

Earlier in the month Prince had been prescribed Ondansetron due to nausea and vomiting. Chef also said he'd been having trouble swallowing.

I don't think the food was eaten.

I don't think the food was laced with fentanyl.

However it is possible Prince DID drink vegetable juice.

And he drank a lot of the 5 hour energy grape juice drinks.

It might have been a drink that was spiked with fentanyl.

The reports talk about having the stomach tested and showing a high level of fentanyl.

If fentanyl is taken into the stomach and absorbed, causing Prince to slow down and possibly vomit, then I think it is strange to not be found in this vomit.

I think it is likely the vomit in the elevator was new.

If there was vomit someone I would imagine Prince would quickly ask someone to clean it up.

The test results on the vomit can be found in:

Search warrants, Subpoenas and Property Data. pdf page 96

item 26A and 26B

We also need to know, even if these fake tablets were ENITRELY made of fentanyl, HOW MANY would it take to cause such high levels of fentanyl in Prince's blood. The levels are insanely high.

IF the answer is MANY TABLETS, then it casts further doubt on the whole official story, as his stomach did not have undigested tablets (as would be seen by someone taking lots of tablets like in a suicide).

Prince was not suicidal. (Dr Mancha in Moline said Prince said he was not suicidal.)

He may have had a premonition he would die one day soon, but that does not mean he took his own life.

The red: what were the results? This is news to me, as the portion I read stated the supposed vomit in the elevator was to be collected, but investigators got sidetracked gathering the computer- albeit too late.

Thanks in advance!

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

Yep I sure did, even did a book club on it.

Knowing what I know now, nobody gets my support, not even Mayte.

Edited to add.....^^Except Denise Mathews family, if they ever came out with a book about her, I would buy it & I will also buy Princes 50 pages of his writing if it ever comes out.

[Edited 7/12/18 17:58pm]

+1

(and hopefully a bookclub on both )

YES! Is Prince's book coming this december now or not?

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

Yep I sure did, even did a book club on it.

Knowing what I know now, nobody gets my support, not even Mayte.

Edited to add.....^^Except Denise Mathews family, if they ever came out with a book about her, I would buy it & I will also buy Princes 50 pages of his writing if it ever comes out.

[Edited 7/12/18 17:58pm]

+1

(and hopefully a bookclub on both )

Yes to the both!

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

+1

(and hopefully a bookclub on both )

Yes to the both!

and just as an aside- the other 'work' that I would pay for with no problem is Prince's revelation of the 'spiritual stuff' that he divulged to JH in Moline, which the investigators said they had no use for. It's my personal curiosity, nothing more. It seems as though he had a NEAR death experience, not saying he died...but 2 Narcan shots in order for him to 'come to'...I'm on the fence about it. And P saying he fought so hard to get back in his body, at the very least, he had an out of body experience.

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

Yes to the both!

and just as an aside- the other 'work' that I would pay for with no problem is Prince's revelation of the 'spiritual stuff' that he divulged to JH in Moline, which the investigators said they had no use for. It's my personal curiosity, nothing more. It seems as though he had a NEAR death experience, not saying he died...but 2 Narcan shots in order for him to 'come to'...I'm on the fence about it. And P saying he fought so hard to get back in his body, at the very least, he had an out of body experience.

did JH say exactly what she was told??????

luvsexy4all said:

precioux said:

and just as an aside- the other 'work' that I would pay for with no problem is Prince's revelation of the 'spiritual stuff' that he divulged to JH in Moline, which the investigators said they had no use for. It's my personal curiosity, nothing more. It seems as though he had a NEAR death experience, not saying he died...but 2 Narcan shots in order for him to 'come to'...I'm on the fence about it. And P saying he fought so hard to get back in his body, at the very least, he had an out of body experience.

did JH say exactly what she was told??????

i think it's in that paper interview, he said something about it being really hard to get back into his body and that he was watching from outside, that is a common exp. for near death events.

Which is strange, as most people who spoke of near death experiences did not want to come back, or they were given a choice by "the light", God, or some guide.

Especially for P "fighting to come back" seems strange. And that he was suddenly talking like someone who was totally new to the other side. Especially when one thinks of his angel encounter when he was young, and when one thinks of his fatalism, his trust in God knowing best what to do. I just shared this on another thread - something he said in the early 90s:

"When I pray to God, I say, It’s your call - when it’s time to go, it’s time to go."

CatB said:

Which is strange, as most people who spoke of near death experiences did not want to come back, or they were given a choice by "the light", God, or some guide.

Especially for P "fighting to come back" seems strange. And that he was suddenly talking like someone who was totally new to the other side. Especially when one thinks of his angel encounter when he was young, and when one thinks of his fatalism, his trust in God knowing best what to do. I just shared this on another thread - something he said in the early 90s:

"When I pray to God, I say, It’s your call - when it’s time to go, it’s time to go."

nothing surrounding any of it makes any linear sense, i thought he may have committed suicide, and I still do so i don't know why he was fighting to get back into his body. at first, i doubed JH words as i do anyone's, because, unlike most of you, i've studied closely some high profile deaths and there are always a lot of secrets, a lot of lies, a lot of shame, a lot of people who end up wanting to big up themselves or cast a shadow on others, always, always always. the truth may never come out.

PeteSilas said:

CatB said:

Which is strange, as most people who spoke of near death experiences did not want to come back, or they were given a choice by "the light", God, or some guide.

Especially for P "fighting to come back" seems strange. And that he was suddenly talking like someone who was totally new to the other side. Especially when one thinks of his angel encounter when he was young, and when one thinks of his fatalism, his trust in God knowing best what to do. I just shared this on another thread - something he said in the early 90s:

"When I pray to God, I say, It’s your call - when it’s time to go, it’s time to go."

nothing surrounding any of it makes any linear sense, i thought he may have committed suicide, and I still do so i don't know why he was fighting to get back into his body. at first, i doubed JH words as i do anyone's, because, unlike most of you, i've studied closely some high profile deaths and there are always a lot of secrets, a lot of lies, a lot of shame, a lot of people who end up wanting to big up themselves or cast a shadow on others, always, always always. the truth may never come out.

While I don't agree with the suicide story, I do with this. That is very true and really happening since Prince died.

luvsexy4all said:

precioux said:

and just as an aside- the other 'work' that I would pay for with no problem is Prince's revelation of the 'spiritual stuff' that he divulged to JH in Moline, which the investigators said they had no use for. It's my personal curiosity, nothing more. It seems as though he had a NEAR death experience, not saying he died...but 2 Narcan shots in order for him to 'come to'...I'm on the fence about it. And P saying he fought so hard to get back in his body, at the very least, he had an out of body experience.

did JH say exactly what she was told??????

no, that's why I would be more than willing to pay for a book/writing in which JH does divulge exactly what he said. The LE was interviewing her and it was after she told them about him "fighting to come back"...she had begun to explain P's "experience" in the words he told them to her, as the question posed was "Did he tell you anything else?" but in the docs it clearly states that LE said (paraphrasing) "anything else he said, minus the spiritual stuff" basically. So yeah, I'm more than curious about what he actually said.

precioux said:

The red: what were the results? This is news to me, as the portion I read stated the supposed vomit in the elevator was to be collected, but investigators got sidetracked gathering the computer- albeit too late.

Thanks in advance!

You'll have to take a look at those documents.

There was no controlled substances found in the vomit.