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Thread started 06/01/18 10:03pm

rogifan

Top 5 official Prince videos on YouTube (based on views)

1. When Doves Cry 10M
2. Kiss 9M
3. Raspberry Beret 8.5M
4. Little Red Corvette 7.7M
5. Let’s Go Crazy 7.3M

Now there is a “official video” on YouTube for Purple Rain but it is not on the official Prince channel. That video has 58M views and over 10,000 comments.
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Reply #1 posted 06/01/18 10:09pm

Lovejunky

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rogifan said:

1. When Doves Cry 10M 2. Kiss 9M 3. Raspberry Beret 8.5M 4. Little Red Corvette 7.7M 5. Let’s Go Crazy 7.3M Now there is a “official video” on YouTube for Purple Rain but it is not on the official Prince channel. That video has 58M views and over 10,000 comments.

makes me sad...

Beebs, Swifty Mars and KPerry have over 2 Billion views

WOrld is still not ready for him

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
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Reply #2 posted 06/02/18 1:23am

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Lovejunky said:

rogifan said:

1. When Doves Cry 10M 2. Kiss 9M 3. Raspberry Beret 8.5M 4. Little Red Corvette 7.7M 5. Let’s Go Crazy 7.3M Now there is a “official video” on YouTube for Purple Rain but it is not on the official Prince channel. That video has 58M views and over 10,000 comments.

makes me sad...

Beebs, Swifty Mars and KPerry have over 2 Billion views

WOrld is still not ready for him

Don't be sad. Prince chose not to use the platform. He was an early adopter of the internet before Youtube began in 1998. Then he yanked all of his music off video sites. Had he utilized youtube and other video sites he would have had several hundreds of millions.

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Reply #3 posted 06/02/18 4:20am

leecaldon

Do those figures combine the different versions of videos like When Doves Cry?

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Reply #4 posted 06/02/18 4:22am

leecaldon

Lovejunky said:

rogifan said:

1. When Doves Cry 10M 2. Kiss 9M 3. Raspberry Beret 8.5M 4. Little Red Corvette 7.7M 5. Let’s Go Crazy 7.3M Now there is a “official video” on YouTube for Purple Rain but it is not on the official Prince channel. That video has 58M views and over 10,000 comments.

makes me sad...

Beebs, Swifty Mars and KPerry have over 2 Billion views

WOrld is still not ready for him

I'm not sure how many views you're expecting decades-old videos to get.

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Reply #5 posted 06/02/18 6:22am

pdiddy2011

Prince's superstardom is on full display in some "unofficial" videos. 56M views for "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" and 27M views for a short retrospective of Prince playing in the Superbowl. The comments section will turn sadness to gladness concerning Prince's legacy/value. Not in the billions of views, but millions of (awe-struck) comments has to warm the heart for a true fan.

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Reply #6 posted 06/02/18 6:45am

rogifan

leecaldon said:

Do those figures combine the different versions of videos like When Doves Cry?


No, I didn’t combine different videos for the same song.
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Reply #7 posted 06/02/18 6:48am

rogifan

Lovejunky said:



rogifan said:


1. When Doves Cry 10M 2. Kiss 9M 3. Raspberry Beret 8.5M 4. Little Red Corvette 7.7M 5. Let’s Go Crazy 7.3M Now there is a “official video” on YouTube for Purple Rain but it is not on the official Prince channel. That video has 58M views and over 10,000 comments.


makes me sad...



Beebs, Swifty Mars and KPerry have over 2 Billion views



WOrld is still not ready for him




I dunno, not sure it’s fair to compare to top 40 pop stars of today. Also Prince didn’t really use the platform and videos were (and still are) aggressively taken off the site. At some point people stop looking.

Also how many of those stars can say they had the number one single, album and movie on the charts at the same time? wink
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Reply #8 posted 06/02/18 6:51am

rogifan

leecaldon said:



Lovejunky said:




rogifan said:


1. When Doves Cry 10M 2. Kiss 9M 3. Raspberry Beret 8.5M 4. Little Red Corvette 7.7M 5. Let’s Go Crazy 7.3M Now there is a “official video” on YouTube for Purple Rain but it is not on the official Prince channel. That video has 58M views and over 10,000 comments.


makes me sad...



Beebs, Swifty Mars and KPerry have over 2 Billion views



WOrld is still not ready for him





I'm not sure how many views you're expecting decades-old videos to get.


Well MJ’s Beat It has 363M views. Though it was uploaded 7 years ago. I think because Prince didn’t really use Youtube and was so aggressive in getting things pulled off of YouTube people probably don’t even go there looking for his stuff anymore.
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Reply #9 posted 06/02/18 7:48am

bonatoc

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Lovejunky said:

rogifan said:

1. When Doves Cry 10M 2. Kiss 9M 3. Raspberry Beret 8.5M 4. Little Red Corvette 7.7M 5. Let’s Go Crazy 7.3M Now there is a “official video” on YouTube for Purple Rain but it is not on the official Prince channel. That video has 58M views and over 10,000 comments.

makes me sad...

Beebs, Swifty Mars and KPerry have over 2 Billion views

WOrld is still not ready for him



Here's your primary target for an upcoming Prince public: 58% percent and growing.
Some of us are in the middle and going right, I mean the column.

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taken out of :
https://drive.google.com/file/d/178aUQ2YNrrt4BfRsFFLELOU5WD85Kffu/view?usp=sharing




—————

Figure 4.4 depicts the cumulative distribution of the Long Tail of the 260,525 music artists presented in Fig. 4.2.

Interestingly enough, the top-737 artists, 0.28% of all the artists, account for 50% of the total playcounts, F(737) = 50(N50 = 737), and only the top-30 artists hold around 10% of the plays.


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[...] the distribution and inventory costs are nearly negligible.

Yet, to satisfy the latter we need recommender systems that exploit the "from hits to niches" paradigm.

The main question, though, is whether current recommendation techniques are ready to assist us in this discovery task, providing recommendations of the hidden gems in the Long Tail.



[...]


4.6.1 Recommending the Unknown

It has been largely acknowledged that item popularity can decrease user satisfaction by providing obvious recommendations (Doh! — Editor's Note) [14, 15].

Yet, there is no clear recipe for providing good and useful recommendations to users. We can foresee at least three key aspects that should be taken into account. These are: novelty and serendipity, familiarity, and relevance [16].

According to Wordnet dictionary,14 novel (adj.) has two senses: “new—original and of a kind not seen before”; and “refreshing— pleasantly new or different”. Serendipity (noun) is defined as “good luck in making unexpected and fortunate discoveries”. Familiar (adj.) is defined as “well known or easily recognised”.

In our context, we measure the novelty for a given user u as the ratio of unknown items in the list of top-N recommended items,

LN: Novelty(u) = ∑i∈LN (1−Knows(u,i)) N , (4.9) being Knows(u,i) a binary function that returns 1 if user u already knows item i, and 0 otherwise.

Likewise, user’s familiarity with the list of recommended items can be defined as Familiar(u) = 1−Novelty(u).

( eek lol )

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"Quick! To the BatSpreadsheet!"



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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SR4cIRi0sjuK7ShgL-fk_eBFiOxuG7eZ/view?usp=sharing


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The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #10 posted 06/02/18 8:20am

bonatoc

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pdiddy2011 said:

Prince's superstardom is on full display in some "unofficial" videos. 56M views for "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" and 27M views for a short retrospective of Prince playing in the Superbowl. The comments section will turn sadness to gladness concerning Prince's legacy/value. Not in the billions of views, but millions of (awe-struck) comments has to warm the heart for a true fan.


And which will translate in a possible successful Long Tail case for Prince,
because it works better by definition with a catalogue filled of "lots of suprises in the long run".
The Collect'em All® effect, except it's induced by quality.

We're here to testify that the moment you put your finger to open the Vault Door,
you're doomed. The question is only to market him at high levels of interactions,
and there's a lot of multimedia to be done. Expand your idea of Prince's catalogue
to even the shittiest trembling sounding smartphone video posted,
I mean YT is filled with diamonds and the actual consensus seems to leave them here,
because they are the many windows to get in.

It's a good strategy,
in time it results in an ever growing audience for Deluxe physical products,
or HD streams, which you can sell for yearly subscriptions.
The PP online store isn't even close to what it could be.
The team seems to be fierce though. Let's give them some time.
Hope they're well funded, though.

I predict a massive comeback, just wait a few more years.
Don't think about the numbers, it's useless in the digital world, the copy is
no more damaging than the one you did on tape,
of a friends record you did not own. Having the work circulate
is just perfect for cultural content. All trojan horses.
I mean the marketing technique, you silly fools.

As years go by, your taste refines. I feel in love with Elvis at a late age,
Led Zep too, Prince is the perfect "heck, I didn't know his albums were so good" artist.

OK, given albums still matter by then.
But they will, wait, here comes the retirees.
They'll want to show off. Or rather roll their butts on the good shit.

Where would I be without, say, Innervisions?
This shit is important. Make a fool of yourself if you have to.
It's important to school friends and family about it.
Albums save, enlighten, sustain lives.

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The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #11 posted 06/02/18 8:34am

bonatoc

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[...]

Nonetheless, a user should be familiar with some of the recommended items, to improve confidence and trust in the system.

Also, some items should be unknownto the user (discovering hidden items in the catalog).

A system should also give an explanation of why those—unknown—items were recommended,
providing a higher confidence and transparency on these recommendations.

The difficult job fora recommender is, then,
to find the proper level of familiarity,
novelty and relevance for each user.


[...]


from: https://drive.google.com/...lRsRmlMaGM


https://www.springer.com/...3642132865



The explanations and the level you can compute from views and shares (and a big data hoover dashboard).
YouTube Analytics are a thing, especially when it comes to populate the right-hand column,
the suggested playlist, and in which order.

You show "I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man" or "The Cross" or "The Holy River" to Christian rockers, hell, to Christians in general, and "The Most Beautiful Girl In The World" to every romantic lady there is, maybe a little selfie obsessed.
That way servers serve what's to be served, and the surprise is in full effect,
because people usually know, well, only the aforementioned top 5 videos.
The quantities will be negligeable at first, but it doesn't matter.

Most importantly: You provide context.
Prince's work ethics are something people don't pay attention to.
The intro of the video of NC2U and the websites are proof the Estate gets a thing or two.
They'll get there.

Shit, give me PP's keys already, damn.

You can be the president. biggrin


[Edited 6/2/18 9:02am]

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #12 posted 06/02/18 9:46am

Polo1026

Lovejunky said:

rogifan said:

1. When Doves Cry 10M 2. Kiss 9M 3. Raspberry Beret 8.5M 4. Little Red Corvette 7.7M 5. Let’s Go Crazy 7.3M Now there is a “official video” on YouTube for Purple Rain but it is not on the official Prince channel. That video has 58M views and over 10,000 comments.

makes me sad...

Beebs, Swifty Mars and KPerry have over 2 Billion views

WOrld is still not ready for him

Why should you be sad? To accumulate these views AFTER he passed is pretty good. Had Prince had all his songs up on YouTube since it started he's have way more views but the point here is that he's gonna keep getting more and more views over time.

Also, many top artists today have accounts created for them and ahem lets say bots that stream their music all day. I'd guess Prince's views are probably legitmate views compared to Swift whose label has ahem 'streaming farms' helping her accumulate numbers.

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Reply #13 posted 06/02/18 3:14pm

FunkOnTheOne

Ironically a non-official Purple Rain has 20m views
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Reply #14 posted 06/02/18 3:36pm

bonatoc

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FunkOnTheOne said:

Ironically a non-official Purple Rain has 20m views


It's a fucking jungle out there. They suck our browsing history to sell us stuff,
but don't care about blatant copyrights infringements.
Prince is far from being the only one. No, AI plays go. Oh, goodie.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #15 posted 06/03/18 6:59am

Shockalaka

Speaking of non-official videos gaining surprisingly high view counts, someone posted a Something In The Water video which features both the 1985 rehearsal jam and the 1984 birthday performance; it’s at over 30k views currently!
Controversy aside, I can at least say the uploader must have excellent taste in music to post those two. lol
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What was that?

Aftershock!
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Reply #16 posted 06/03/18 9:27am

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Lovejunky said:

rogifan said:

1. When Doves Cry 10M 2. Kiss 9M 3. Raspberry Beret 8.5M 4. Little Red Corvette 7.7M 5. Let’s Go Crazy 7.3M Now there is a “official video” on YouTube for Purple Rain but it is not on the official Prince channel. That video has 58M views and over 10,000 comments.

makes me sad...

Beebs, Swifty Mars and KPerry have over 2 Billion views

WOrld is still not ready for him

I'd say 25% or more of those "views" from Swifty, beeebs, kperry are fake watched by computers to get artificial numbers higher. Especially when a new song is out or new album is coming out.

99.9% of everything I say is strictly for my own entertainment
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Reply #17 posted 06/03/18 9:37am

leecaldon

rogifan said:

leecaldon said:

Do those figures combine the different versions of videos like When Doves Cry?

No, I didn’t combine different videos for the same song.

So the regular version of When Doves Cry has 12.7m views and the extended version 10.6m, bringing the total to 23.3m. Which is super dominant. Individually, they both have more than any other video on the official channel.

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Reply #18 posted 06/05/18 12:41am

jcurley

I think though when you look ar katy perry et al is that people use youtube like a streaming service whilst simeone like Prince is retrospective. Madonna for example is always way lower than I'd expect but again the true consumption of that music has already been had whikst Katy Perry ..brun marrs etc are live consumption. I mean you can go to youtube on the day of release now. It's a radio platform fir the modern age
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Reply #19 posted 06/06/18 7:28am

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Had Prince not been so anti-Youtube, his videos would have been available to watch years ago and of course, have far more views. His music is playing catch-up now because of that.

That said, those are pretty good numbers, all things considered. Idk why some people seriously expect Prince to be instantly yielding 100s of millions to billions of views like today's Top 40 names especially when his content has been almost inaccessible on the site till his death. That and the fact that Prince's peak was in the 1980s.

It's silly to think that a veteran like Prince with an almost 40 year career prior to his death who profited under a vastly different (and frankly, a vastly better) system than today's popular acts will be getting views on the same level as them. At least Prince actually sold boatloads of albums, an amount that most of today's names could only fantasize about. Streaming numbers and records are BS in almost every way.
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