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Printablescenario 1: manipulating of public's view of what it's in vault. Family/indexer telling us 'this is work for years, it's huge' while the whole thing was raided already the same day and not much left to be photographing, or by letting out the good parts the photographs, in which case they very good know already at the start what is worthy and what is known out there.
scenario 2: there really isn't much left that we don't yet know, in his own vaults. WB might have more in their vaults. Yes, a most or all of the known outtakes aren't on the pictures, but that's because they didnt come from P's vault, since they came from other sources. | |
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Late 93/early 94 "a computer arrived" and the music went digital, according to Michael B in Mobeen's book. Thanks for that info. Though we obviously haven't seen all of the vault comprehensively in those pictures, that explains it all. | |
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TheFman said: scenario 1: manipulating of public's view of what it's in vault. Family/indexer telling us 'this is work for years, it's huge' while the whole thing was raided already the same day and not much left to be photographing, or by letting out the good parts the photographs, in which case they very good know already at the start what is worthy and what is known out there.
scenario 2: there really isn't much left that we don't yet know, in his own vaults. WB might have more in their vaults. Yes, a most or all of the known outtakes aren't on the pictures, but that's because they didnt come from P's vault, since they came from other sources. Sure. We probably have the boots from other sources. But what happened with Prince's own copies? The wooh is on the one! | |
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Would it be impossible that those are in WB's vaults exclusively? It's work from that era, mostly, and they obviously have things that we don't. But than again, there won't be much left over, I'm afraid. [Edited 4/27/18 4:20am] | |
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If you look at the pictures the tapes seem to be pretty much arranged by album, and there are very few unreleased songs in the pictures. Of course it's all speculation, but perhaps they were organized with a released/unreleased strategy in mind, or a "these songs were/are intended for this project/They came from this session" strategy. That seems to be the most plausible thing to me, at least based on what I see.
What really struck me though is that the majority of the "new" music that has been released/leaked in the last few years is all there in one little section. I don't think that is a coincidence. |
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We have seen most of the unreleased titles of the '80's?
I don't think so, unless you can confirm that the titles below are widely circulating.............
Doc
1973
Do You Feel Like Dancing? 1975 39th St. Party 1976 Aces Fantasy Surprise 1977
Baby's Bedroom Shine Your Light 1978
1979
Oh, Baby 1980
1981 Dancin' Flu Dear Uncle George (evolved into Private Joy) Delivery Boy Gym Class Heart Attack Hump You Make U Mine Mink Kitty Cat Pizza Poppa Grooves Rain Rearrange See U Dead Vagina 1982
Moral Majority 1983 Electrocution (instrumental) I Am Five (instrumental) Money Promise To Be True 1984
Small Grey Monkey 1985 Call Of The Wild Run Amok (instrumental) 1986
Nine (instrumental) (totally different to the released Madhouse track) Slow Groove In G Major (instrumental) 1987 Beat Town Famous Knucklehead Stimulation What Did I Do? 1988
1989 R U There? Spiritual World
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Great summary. But are these titles seen in the recent photos from The Vault or just rumored titles?
I was happy to see If It'll Make U Happy from 1981 in the photos, though.
I think we've only heard a bare minute of this track but what we've heard is AWESOME. Sort of a super catchy reggae-infused pop track...
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SquirrelMeat said: Just playing the percentages, based on the pictures, there won't be heaps of unknown gems. I am with you on that. Personally I would rather see all his albums (not just Warners) get the remaster treatment that Purple Rain got. Then some additional anthology type releases for the remaining non-project specific tracks and another line of live performances... Well I can dream! 'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything. | |
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Princevault.com has a list of some 333 unreleased songs for which there was some record of having been recorded by Prince or some close associate. Many of the songs on that list (If not all) come from princevault or some shared source. "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" |
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what? "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" |
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ive heard at least 2 :53 minutes of that... [Edited 4/27/18 12:46pm] | |
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Remember that Prince mentioned that there are several unreleased Revolution albums, and that Morris Hayes mentioned a couple of Purple Rain era songs that sounded really great to him. I´m sure that there are still many unreleased songs from the 80s unless both were exaggerating, which I doubt.
And then there´s probably hundreds of unreleased songs from the late 90s up until 2016.
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At some point, we're going to have to let go the theory of one song a day... [Edited 4/27/18 18:03pm] The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
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There were a few songs released/leaked just this past 12 months that I had never heard of. |
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The problem is, we've already been spoiled.
If you look at the Jackson or 2Pac releases, they scratch around for something to put out next (although I never understand why Jackson's 'If you don't love me' hasn't been released because it has 'hit' written all over it).
George Michael fans will be lucky to hear 15 unreleased songs, and Bowie fans not much more. . | |
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Frank Zappa has the same sort of ridiculously sized unreleased catalogue. Perhaps not as big a fan base as Prince though. Prince still has a chance at commercial appeal if the estate play their cards right. Even if he doesn't his fan base will keep the pennies rolling in. |
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I made a little drawing of the main Vault so that people can grasp the amount of audio tapes that were in there. (And of course this was only the main vault, there were many mastertapes in other rooms in PP as well as tons of harddisks, potentially full of recordings!) I did this because I see a lot of people saying things like "there really weren't that many unreleased songs as most of what we see from the photos are familiar titles". Well, WRONG. What we can see clearly on the photos is just a fraction of the Vault, most of it is blurry so we can't identify the tapes. WE HAVE NOT SEEN THE VAST MAJORITY OF TAPES IN THE VAULT. I went through all of the published photos and wrote down every single title on the tape boxes that I could read and so far there are 522 tapes listed with some song titles (and an additional 240 or so without titles) on the spreadsheet that I've published. (https://goo.gl/FPbxLj) Note that some of these tapes weren't even in the Vault but were found elsewhere in the building. But to understand how much more the original Vault contained, have a look at the layout of the room. You can see each shelving unit. There are 68 units, each having 5 shelves, so that's 340 shelves in total. These 340 shelves have the capacity to hold 4080 reels of 2" multitrack tapes, or roughly 10,000 reels of 1/2" tapes, or maybe around 13,000 reels of 1/4" tapes. In addition to these 7-7500 tapes, I'm guessing (based on the photos we've seen) that there could've been perhaps another 500 or so audio tapes scattered in other rooms (there were some in the video vault, some on the floor in the trophy room and some on shelves in the garage storage area). And... in addition to these 8000 audio tapes there were boxes and boxes of hard drives, with only God knows how many original recordings. Of course often there are several tape reels of the same song as first it had to be recorded on a multitrack, then that multitrack was mixed down to a stereo tape, and there are some safety copies as well. But often tapes contain more than one song (a 2500ft tape has a playing time of approx. 16 minutes at 30ips speed), so the bottom line is: what we can see and identify from the photos is just the tip of the iceberg, ONLY ABOUT 6% OF THE TAPES – and we have absolutely no idea how much more stuff the hard drives contain! So have a look at the Vault room layout: the green ovals show the shelves included in the photos. The smaller green ovals mean that we can only identify a small number of tapes on those shelves. the only love there is is the love we make  | |
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I do wonder why now after two years the estate and/or Warners cannot provide a definitive statement as to what they actually have in the vault? Yes I know it takes hundreds of hours (maybe thousands) to listen to and catalogue everything (what a job) as well as determine the quality of the tapes etc and whether they can be used still. But surely some kind of statement could be provided by now? I am assuming the vagueness of the announcement about the September release is possibly to protect it from having a bootleg version compiled in advance and stealing their thunder. 'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything. | |
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This version in the vault is probably the original recordings from Prince without the Imperials overdubs. |
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lemoncrush19 said: I made a little drawing of the main Vault so that people can grasp the amount of audio tapes that were in there. (And of course this was only the main vault, there were many mastertapes in other rooms in PP as well as tons of harddisks, potentially full of recordings!) I did this because I see a lot of people saying things like "there really weren't that many unreleased songs as most of what we see from the photos are familiar titles". Well, WRONG. What we can see clearly on the photos is just a fraction of the Vault, most of it is blurry so we can't identify the tapes. WE HAVE NOT SEEN THE VAST MAJORITY OF TAPES IN THE VAULT. I went through all of the published photos and wrote down every single title on the tape boxes that I could read and so far there are 522 tapes listed with some song titles (and an additional 240 or so without titles) on the spreadsheet that I've published. (https://goo.gl/FPbxLj) Note that some of these tapes weren't even in the Vault but were found elsewhere in the building. But to understand how much more the original Vault contained, have a look at the layout of the room. You can see each shelving unit. There are 68 units, each having 5 shelves, so that's 340 shelves in total. These 340 shelves have the capacity to hold 4080 reels of 2" multitrack tapes, or roughly 10,000 reels of 1/2" tapes, or maybe around 13,000 reels of 1/4" tapes. In addition to these 7-7500 tapes, I'm guessing (based on the photos we've seen) that there could've been perhaps another 500 or so audio tapes scattered in other rooms (there were some in the video vault, some on the floor in the trophy room and some on shelves in the garage storage area). And... in addition to these 8000 audio tapes there were boxes and boxes of hard drives, with only God knows how many original recordings. Of course often there are several tape reels of the same song as first it had to be recorded on a multitrack, then that multitrack was mixed down to a stereo tape, and there are some safety copies as well. But often tapes contain more than one song (a 2500ft tape has a playing time of approx. 16 minutes at 30ips speed), so the bottom line is: what we can see and identify from the photos is just the tip of the iceberg, ONLY ABOUT 6% OF THE TAPES – and we have absolutely no idea how much more stuff the hard drives contain! So have a look at the Vault room layout: the green ovals show the shelves included in the photos. The smaller green ovals mean that we can only identify a small number of tapes on those shelves. Thank you. This post constitutes the conclusion to the entire debate for me. As you state, we've only seen a mere fraction of what the vault contains on those photos. 94% of the vault is still unseen and unknown. Any comments to the contrary here are mere conjecture and as usual, pessimism, which this forum has an epidemic of. * [Edited 4/28/18 4:33am] [Edited 4/28/18 4:35am] | |
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thanks!I don’t take those few pics as any confirmation that the volume of 30+ years of unreleased work was grossly overestimated. We’re talking about a musician that’s clocked a lot of hours in studios across the world. While there may be logs detailing many of his sessions at certain studios, it’s been said that many physical copies of tapes weren’t always labeled correctly, if at all, and there’s still much work to be done with inventories. I’m not banking on hearing every single recording from those vaults in my lifetime lol | |
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wowzers that's incredible. | |
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thanks! I said early on that someone needed to map out the vault...and compare that to what was photographed. I guess I just assumed (oops) that the photos were either comprehensive or at least representative.
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so there are dozens of photos of vault tapes! someone needs to try to map it out and catalog what they all say Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Thank you so much for your hard work!! A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ |
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honestly, even if there were 0 songs, he still gave us more than 99 percent of rock musicians with the official releases.
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