Mail from people to Prince's mail address. What would the name in the "to" field say? J. R. .... ?

Strawberrylova123 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Just read the police interviews with KJ and JH. Points I found interesting:

This is the interview that KJ lied about never getting prescriptions for Prince.

I get the impression that KJ really was in the dark about the seriousness of things until the weeks leading up to the fatal OD.

JH said in her interview that KJ said to Prince in the Moline hospital after the 1st OD that he (prince) needed to stop doing this ( I'm paraphrasing). This implies to me that KJ and Prince had been through this before in the past. JH mentioned that KJ said to her that it happened before around 2009/10. So whilst KJ was not aware of Prince's current opiod predicament, he had been through this in past years with him before.

To back that up JH said that at the memorial KJ was telling people that it all made sense now, implying that in hindsight he saw the signs but didnt neccesarily see them at the time.

JH said that Tyka told her at the memorial that she knew Prince was going to die two years prior.

From JH's interview I got the impression that Prince was very clued up on the chemistry he was putting into his body. She mentioned how Prince was adamant he find out what they gave him to revive him. He was concerned about the imbalance to his body chemistry that whatever they gave him might cause. She also said that Prince thought he would have woken up had the paramedics not intervened at moline. It came accross as if this type of thing happened before and he just slept through it.

According to JH Prince came accross as depressed prior to teh Atlanta shows but perked up after the shows. He said he liked to sleep a lot these days and that maybe it was a sign his time on this earth was done.

KJ took home the prescription pills that Prince obtained the day before he died. Prince took a couple of pills and said they did nothing to help. KJ kept the pills and took them home that night.

When the doctor at Moline asked Prince waht he taken Prince told KJ where to find a bottle of Tylenol pills. That was all he showed to the doctor. Prince later went on to tell JH that he mixed his pills which caused the OD. JH guessed the pills that he mixed with the Tynlenol was Percocet. But she couldnt be sure and just guessed it from what KJ told the paramedics.

There was a lot more but I can't remember off hand what I read now. I think both are telling the truth in as much as what they knew was going on. KJ lied about getting the pills for Prince under his name, but that can be put down to fear. He did later admit it.

I genuinely believe KJ wanted to help Prince and did his best with what little information he had. Prince kept everyone in the dark and whilst I believe that Prince had been through these problems before, and a few close to him know of these problems, he worked through it. I think this last bout of addiction was kept from everyone around him. Including KJ. It was only at the very end that those around him saw the problem and that is when they started to try and help.

KJ may have been a yes-man to Prince. But I don't think he was an enabler. He had helped Prince through this before and tried again this last time once he knew of the problem. I think Prince was getting his illicit pills from, to this day, an unknown source.

It is weird that the investigation could not find another example of the kill pill. The DEA found over 100 fentanyl laced substances that same year but they were all of the heroin type drug cut with fentanyl. The DEA could not trace another pill like the one Prince had. So maybe Prince had his own private "chemist" make these things for him.

2004Fan said:

Susu1976 said:

Prince had both full rigor and livor mortis by the time he was found so not sure where you're trying to get with your comment. Who knows how anyone wants be found?!! I would want to be in full make up sleeping soundly in my bed. Well, often that's not reality. [Edited 4/21/18 0:16am] [Edited 4/21/18 0:17am]

When a person dies, the muscles relax and the bladder and bowels muscles also, though not for everybody. Benni can correct me if this is not what she meant. Sorry for being graphic.

Yes, that is what I was referring to, but didn't want to describe. Having worked in hospice and been present at more than one death, it's often not easy for loved ones. It didn't happen with everyone, especially those that had stopped eating and drinking quite a few days before. But those that happened suddenly, gave no indication they were that close, and had been eating and drinking, it would occur frequently.

[Edited 4/21/18 3:54am]

gerson said:

Mail from people to Prince's mail address. What would the name in the "to" field say? J. R. .... ?

I believe it's J. Ramadan for Julia Ramadan. Prince used different email accounts it seems. Julia Ramadam was is manager/assistant during 2000-10. He kept in contact with her. It was also the account used by Judith Hill

2004Fan said:

gerson said:

Mail from people to Prince's mail address. What would the name in the "to" field say? J. R. .... ?

I believe it's J. Ramadan for Julia Ramadan. Prince used different email accounts it seems. Julia Ramadam was is manager/assistant during 2000-10. He kept in contact with her. It was also the account used by Judith Hill

Yes, seems you are right. Just found this:

A search warrant from September 2016 revealed that Prince’s former bodyguard had set up a Gmail account for the singer with the address jyramadan@gmail.com.

gerson said:

2004Fan said:

I believe it's J. Ramadan for Julia Ramadan. Prince used different email accounts it seems. Julia Ramadam was is manager/assistant during 2000-10. He kept in contact with her. It was also the account used by Judith Hill

Yes, seems you are right. Just found this:

A search warrant from September 2016 revealed that Prince’s former bodyguard had set up a Gmail account for the singer with the address jyramadan@gmail.com.

Exactly.

OperatingThetan said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Judith Hills account of the airplane incident is very descriptive

Seems I can no longer access these in the UK.

Supposedly their server is down. Just keep trying.

luv4u said:

disch said:

A few general thoughts I have, reading all this:

- Fame is actually a dangerous way to live. It obstructs your ability to have normal relationships based on mutual need and support.

- Every relationship Prince had was mitigated by his fame. The people in his inner circle were all there because of his fame (either directly -- as an employees/mentee -- or more indirectly). There was no one who he seemed to interact with regularly who he had a "normal," peer-based relationship with. I don't think it was possible for him to have relationships like that; who could he meet who would be his "peer"?

- His need for privacy was also an obsession with appearances/persona, and that seems like it would be an exhausting, harmful way to live. How things might look to the public seemed to factor into every decision he made. The amount of effort it would take to conceal his truths from those around him must have been pretty extreme and ultimately debilitating, just as a human being.

-

All in all, the picture here just made me sad. He seemed to be really alone in his struggles, both by his choice but also by the corner that his fame backed him into (or that he felt it did).

I totally agree and it is seems to be a hard way to live

luv4u said:

Vashtix said:

disch said:

A few general thoughts I have, reading all this:

- Fame is actually a dangerous way to live. It obstructs your ability to have normal relationships based on mutual need and support.

- Every relationship Prince had was mitigated by his fame. The people in his inner circle were all there because of his fame (either directly -- as an employees/mentee -- or more indirectly). There was no one who he seemed to interact with regularly who he had a "normal," peer-based relationship with. I don't think it was possible for him to have relationships like that; who could he meet who would be his "peer"?

- His need for privacy was also an obsession with appearances/persona, and that seems like it would be an exhausting, harmful way to live. How things might look to the public seemed to factor into every decision he made. The amount of effort it would take to conceal his truths from those around him must have been pretty extreme and ultimately debilitating, just as a human being.

-

All in all, the picture here just made me sad. He seemed to be really alone in his struggles, both by his choice but also by the corner that his fame backed him into (or that he felt it did).

I totally agree and it is seems to be a hard way to live

I agree as well that his obsession with privacy is what fueled his untimely death. I am listing the link below to the New York Times article which indicates there were individuals that knew about his struggle. I am also posting a couple of paragraphs from this article that I felt were very telling.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/20/arts/prince-overdose-investigation.html

“Those who had been close to Prince in earlier days told investigators a different story. An ex-wife, a former business manager, a past tour manager and Sheila E., a longtime musical collaborator, each told police that Prince had used prescription painkillers for many years, both discreetly and with a sense of shame. They said Prince had relied on a small network of people to obtain medication while maintaining his privacy.

This seeming contradiction — with some of Prince’s associates saying they were aware of his long struggle with pain medication, but others saying they had no idea until the very end — ultimately frustrated investigators.”

"Others further removed had fewer reservations about telling investigators what they knew or believed. Crystal Zehetner, a chef for Prince who also worked as his business manager between 2010 and 2015, told Detective Chris Wagner of the Carver County Sheriff’s Office that Prince would frequently complain of hip pain and that she “knew he had a substance abuse problem,” according to a report from Detective Wagner.

Ms. Zehetner, who declined to comment on Friday, told the detective that “of course” those around him knew about Prince’s addiction and that if anyone who worked with Prince said they did not know, “that those people were lying.”

In the reports I just posted it says that Kirk was unable to reach Tyka and it says that they sent a deputy to her house. But didn't Tyka say that she received a phone call from Kirk and that all was said was 'He's gone." and she knew what he meant?

Vashtix said:

disch said:

A few general thoughts I have, reading all this:

- Fame is actually a dangerous way to live. It obstructs your ability to have normal relationships based on mutual need and support.

- Every relationship Prince had was mitigated by his fame. The people in his inner circle were all there because of his fame (either directly -- as an employees/mentee -- or more indirectly). There was no one who he seemed to interact with regularly who he had a "normal," peer-based relationship with. I don't think it was possible for him to have relationships like that; who could he meet who would be his "peer"?

- His need for privacy was also an obsession with appearances/persona, and that seems like it would be an exhausting, harmful way to live. How things might look to the public seemed to factor into every decision he made. The amount of effort it would take to conceal his truths from those around him must have been pretty extreme and ultimately debilitating, just as a human being.

-

All in all, the picture here just made me sad. He seemed to be really alone in his struggles, both by his choice but also by the corner that his fame backed him into (or that he felt it did).

I totally agree and it is seems to be a hard way to live

Yea I could never imagine being famous, let alone dating someone famous. Everything is intrusive, nothing is personal, not even death apparently. I feel like it can be a super isolating, lonely experience. I personally think the only good thing about being famous is earning good money. At least he got to make the music he wanted.

Rebeljuice said:

Just read the police interviews with KJ and JH. Points I found interesting:

This is the interview that KJ lied about never getting prescriptions for Prince.

I get the impression that KJ really was in the dark about the seriousness of things until the weeks leading up to the fatal OD.

JH said in her interview that KJ said to Prince in the Moline hospital after the 1st OD that he (prince) needed to stop doing this ( I'm paraphrasing). This implies to me that KJ and Prince had been through this before in the past. JH mentioned that KJ said to her that it happened before around 2009/10. So whilst KJ was not aware of Prince's current opiod predicament, he had been through this in past years with him before.

To back that up JH said that at the memorial KJ was telling people that it all made sense now, implying that in hindsight he saw the signs but didnt neccesarily see them at the time.

JH said that Tyka told her at the memorial that she knew Prince was going to die two years prior.

From JH's interview I got the impression that Prince was very clued up on the chemistry he was putting into his body. She mentioned how Prince was adamant he find out what they gave him to revive him. He was concerned about the imbalance to his body chemistry that whatever they gave him might cause. She also said that Prince thought he would have woken up had the paramedics not intervened at moline. It came accross as if this type of thing happened before and he just slept through it.

According to JH Prince came accross as depressed prior to teh Atlanta shows but perked up after the shows. He said he liked to sleep a lot these days and that maybe it was a sign his time on this earth was done.

KJ took home the prescription pills that Prince obtained the day before he died. Prince took a couple of pills and said they did nothing to help. KJ kept the pills and took them home that night.

When the doctor at Moline asked Prince waht he taken Prince told KJ where to find a bottle of Tylenol pills. That was all he showed to the doctor. Prince later went on to tell JH that he mixed his pills which caused the OD. JH guessed the pills that he mixed with the Tynlenol was Percocet. But she couldnt be sure and just guessed it from what KJ told the paramedics.

There was a lot more but I can't remember off hand what I read now. I think both are telling the truth in as much as what they knew was going on. KJ lied about getting the pills for Prince under his name, but that can be put down to fear. He did later admit it.

I genuinely believe KJ wanted to help Prince and did his best with what little information he had. Prince kept everyone in the dark and whilst I believe that Prince had been through these problems before, and a few close to him know of these problems, he worked through it. I think this last bout of addiction was kept from everyone around him. Including KJ. It was only at the very end that those around him saw the problem and that is when they started to try and help.

KJ may have been a yes-man to Prince. But I don't think he was an enabler. He had helped Prince through this before and tried again this last time once he knew of the problem. I think Prince was getting his illicit pills from, to this day, an unknown source.

It is weird that the investigation could not find another example of the kill pill. The DEA found over 100 fentanyl laced substances that same year but they were all of the heroin type drug cut with fentanyl. The DEA could not trace another pill like the one Prince had. So maybe Prince had his own private "chemist" make these things for him.

This makes no sense to me. Why do that? Why couldn't Prince just take them home with him? I found this odd.

Didn't he drop Prince off after picking up these meds? How could Prince know they wouldn't work in such a small amount of time on the drive home? Sometimes it takes a while for an RX to really kick in (and he must have been feeling bad/off enough to not give it time to judge).

Also, it says he only took a couple, yet he was given 3 prescriptions. Perhaps had Prince taken the other(s), it would have made a difference in how he felt. Had the RXs been with him, perhaps he would have taken the next dosages later that evening/overnight and they would have made a difference. Or perhaps he wouldn't have, if the pull toward the other was too strong or he didn't care about trying the new prescriptions.

Taking Prince's RXs home after dropping him off just didn't seem like the wisest decision, esp. under the circumstances. I mean, they had just been to the Dr's to get these things -- why take them away so soon, or at all? Or give the pills a chance to work? Of course, it may not have made a bit of difference had the RXs been with Prince. But it may have.

I am not saying KJ did this intentionally - I do not believe that, nor placing blame. It seems he was trying to help him, and Prince - bless him - also seemed to want help.

Basically, I am rambling, forgive me. Just immediate thoughts when I read this part. Didn't seem like a wise thing to do.

[Edited 4/21/18 7:01am]

[Edited 4/21/18 7:10am]

PennyPurple said:

In the reports I just posted it says that Kirk was unable to reach Tyka and it says that they sent a deputy to her house. But didn't Tyka say that she received a phone call from Kirk and that all was said was 'He's gone." and she knew what he meant?

Yep...thats what SHE Said...

and I noted that too...

rogifan said:

So true.

mnfriend said:

rogifan said:

That comment from Judith Hill about Prince telling her his hands hurt makes me so sad. What if he had really bad arthritis or something? Clearly he should not have been performing. It makes me think back to Damaris Lewis’s interview with CNN where she said the last time she talked to Prince she told him he needed to take a break and get some rest. Every time I listen to one of the P&M shows sadness comes over me. His singing and playing was amazing. He was still giving 110% even though we now know he was not well at all. He didn’t lock himself in a bedroom to waste away, he was doing what he loved most - being on stage and performing. Those shows still blow my mind because how many big name artists can get up on stage with just a piano and a microphone and blow people away for 2 hours. I would argue not many. Just makes me love and respect the man more. 😥💜

💧 Me too

Lovejunky said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Lovejunky said:

Yep...thats what SHE Said...

and I noted that too...

Was there anything Tyka said that has turned out to be true based on the evidence?

Nothing yet but I'm still looking.

Side Note: For 2 years we've been led to believe that it was the older siblings SNJ that were the bad ones and only in it for money (by a former poster) but what I'm seeing here, is changing my mind.

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Weird as it sounds, I found a little bit of comfort in Andrew's transcript...he was asked to describe the elevator scene and he said P looked like he laid down to rest or to sleep...like, he didn't fall down or anything like that...

And it looks that his past few weeks were really challenging, but at the end of the road - he was in no more pain...

The police seems to think that he took the same pills on the plane, and I said this before, did he take the same pill on purpose on the 21st? I don't know, but if you have a near death experience you try to be more careful, unless you don't want to...I don't know...And when you put this theory in the context of Judith's declaration (he told her he accomplished everything, he said that without pills he can't perform...) it makes some sense that he took the last pill knowing it'd be the last one...

It's true that he walked into Dr S's office looking confident, no limp, so I guess one side of him wanted to fight through it, but his other side, the famous side, vetoed against it. Him taking the Recovery Walls road meant that he would no longer be the Prince everyone knew, maybe he felt some shame, I don't know, but he was definitely in a bad place before he passed. I sincerly hope this was the case only for a few months. I hope he was happy most of the time.

Nobody from what I can see tells the whole truth...Kirk hiding about the prescriptions, Meron was at PP until 11.30 pm or so on the 20th but she doesn't say how Prince was doing that night. She left probably as she says, he was alone after midnight and probably took the pill same as he did on the airplane, 1am-ish and that was the end of it...

That's just me rambling on, hurting obviously...

Question - it was stated on the org that he told his crew to remove their belongings from PP, is this in the investigation files anywhere? or is it hearsay?

And wtf is Tyka doing??? she makes it seems as if he was terminally ill with her 2 yr statements, yet it's clear he only suffered of mild anemia...speak up or forever hold your breath...fuck

gerson said:

Strive said:

gerson said:

Mail from people to Prince's mail address. What would the name in the "to" field say? J. R. .... ?

More interesting to me...Willow Smith?

Saw that too....I dont know any other Willow...

Maybe she messaged him on behalf of her Dad?

[Edited 4/21/18 8:07am]

camilleisfunky said:

Weird as it sounds, I found a little bit of comfort in Andrew's transcript...he was asked to describe the elevator scene and he said P looked like he laid down to rest or to sleep...like, he didn't fall down or anything like that...

And it looks that his past few weeks were really challenging, but at the end of the road - he was in no more pain...

The police seems to think that he took the same pills on the plane, and I said this before, did he take the same pill on purpose on the 21st? I don't know, but if you have a near death experience you try to be more careful, unless you don't want to...I don't know...And when you put this theory in the context of Judith's declaration (he told her he accomplished everything, he said that without pills he can't perform...) it makes some sense that he took the last pill knowing it'd be the last one...

It's true that he walked into Dr S's office looking confident, no limp, so I guess one side of him wanted to fight through it, but his other side, the famous side, vetoed against it. Him taking the Recovery Walls road meant that he would no longer be the Prince everyone knew, maybe he felt some shame, I don't know, but he was definitely in a bad place before he passed. I sincerly hope this was the case only for a few months. I hope he was happy most of the time.

Nobody from what I can see tells the whole truth...Kirk hiding about the prescriptions, Meron was at PP until 11.30 pm or so on the 20th but she doesn't say how Prince was doing that night. She left probably as she says, he was alone after midnight and probably took the pill same as he did on the airplane, 1am-ish and that was the end of it...

That's just me rambling on, hurting obviously...

Question - it was stated on the org that he told his crew to remove their belongings from PP, is this in the investigation files anywhere? or is it hearsay?

And wtf is Tyka doing??? she makes it seems as if he was terminally ill with her 2 yr statements, yet it's clear he only suffered of mild anemia...speak up or forever hold your breath...fuck

Regarding Tyka, since the police investigation files have been released, I now wonder if there will be a change in her book focus. I was getting the impression from her statements that her book was going to expand on the narrative that she knew for 2 years. Since the police files are now public, her statement about 2 years doesn't "hold water"......