PeteSilas said:

rogifan said:

PeteSilas said:

fuck, here we are still, going in circles nearly two years later, crazy, prince would have probably liked that part of his death. He always did love mystery.

Is he up in heaven right now thinking all of us are nutters?

If Prince was still a practicing JW he didnt believe in heaven.

littlemissG said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

rogifan said:

PeteSilas said: Is he up in heaven right now thinking all of us are nutters?

If Prince was still a practicing JW he didnt believe in heaven.

Exactly! JW's only believe a certain amount are allowed into heaven.

rogifan said:

PeteSilas said:

fuck, here we are still, going in circles nearly two years later, crazy, prince would have probably liked that part of his death. He always did love mystery.

Is he up in heaven right now thinking all of us are nutters?

who knows, i do know he'd love the confusion his death is causing. I believe spirit goes on though.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

rogifan said:

PeteSilas said: Is he up in heaven right now thinking all of us are nutters?

If Prince was still a practicing JW he didnt believe in heaven.

that's right, which made the later songs like way back home a clear indication that he was breaking with their ideology, that and the "occult" (what jw's would call it) stuff like astral projection and third eye talk.

littlemissG said:

I remember Alan Leeds saying ‘Men like Prince aren’t meant to get old.’ Not a comment on the how he died just that someone like him would never settle for a rocking chair and memories. I wish his passing was natural, painless and still in the future, but how long would he REALLY be living if could not keep being the Prince he wanted to be?

i really don't know if that was it or not. I really could see Prince looking in the mirror, feeling it in his body, his age but really, 57 isn't that old. Reading about Louis Zamperini, the subject of the film Unbroken, the guy was climbing mountains into his eighties, skiing and shit. and personally, my own mentor was still hearty and well when i last saw him at 80, he's 94 and now has dementia but that's no surprise. I used to tell him that he moved like a young man.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

206Michelle said:

anangellooksdown said:

luvsexy4all said: THANK YOU. IT LOOKS LIKE THE FAMILY IS LOOKING INTO THE MOLINE HOSPITAL. I have said from the very beginning, I just had a VERY strong spiritual feeling when Prince passed... that the HOSPITAL did not give him thorough treatment. It was my FIRST feeling, and I am usually right when I feel something like that. I know what those @&$#+%@#$s are like in those facilities, and I also know that they love to control people. I feel they got their tails all up when Prince asked for a PRIVATE ROOM. As in, “Who does he think he is? Special?” So they responded with arrogance towards him and may have WITHHELD, because that’s JUST WHAT PEOPLE DO. PRIDE. I know what the staff in these places is like, I have PLENTY of experience. I’ve had things done to me in hospitals when I needed their help, that no one should ever have done. There are some very sick people in this world right now out who “appear” to be normal, and I want to know if Prince’s life was affected by them. I will be so pissed. I felt VERY EARLY ON, that Prince maybe wanted me to SAY something about this. That he was taken advantage of. Hurt instead of helped. The hospital was VERY SHADY from the beginning, and gave some VERY “stock” answers, like “We can’t say who has been here.” This was BS and I kNEW it; those places will go to ANY LENGTHS to protect themselves, and I TRIED to get heard here and say that someone HAS to look into the hospital further. I am glad the family or attornies did not FORGET about this over time. Here are several of my old posts (or what I could still retrieve from them) talking about this: BREAKING NEWS: Prince died of an opioid overdose: law ... Jun 2, 2016 ... anangellooksdown. I've been wanting the Trinity Hospital in Moline to be looked into more because I want to know why he was refused a private room which would be reasonable given he always had paparazzi on his tail and that someone like that might very well refuse vital medical treatment if that was ... * autopsy/investigation updates here - Part 2 May 22, 2016 ... anangellooksdown. I have felt from the beginning that THE HOSPITAL IN MOLINE bears some responsibility for what happened. I hope this is looked at thoroughly. The individuals who rejected giving Prince a private room should be interviewed. I feel he would've stayed at that hospital and received proper Reply #408 posted 06/22/16 2:03pm anangellooksdo wn Re Moline: He did not stay the 24 hours the hospital suggested. He still left early. And I still am curious as to whether or not Prince was given instructions about further opioid use before discharge. [Edited 3/28/18 18:43pm]

AALD, Your points about the hospital refusing him a private room are very poignant and appropriate. He was Prince, an easily-recognized public figure, so it's highly likely that hospital personnel knew who he was. The only ethical reason for them to refuse him a private room would have been if the hospital was at full capacity and giving him a private room would mean turning away other patients. However, if there was a private room available, they should have honoured his request for that private room.

It wasn't that they refused him a private room, iirc, but that they did not have any private rooms available. They are a small hospital with only 600 beds. However, those are spread out over several facilities around the state. Trinity Moline (from what I can find) only has 38 inpatient beds. If the hospital was the one in Moline Illinois and was not at one of their other campuses, then they are extremely small.

I think the theory that he left the Moline hospital because they denied him a private room is a little hazy. Judith Hill described him as being cooperative and in a bed in some kind of room for the time he was there. Even if he had the fanciest private room available, I can't imagine he would have hung out in that hospital any longer than he had to. My guess (and obviously I have no facts about this) is that as soon as his plane was ready and cleared to take off, he left.

benni said:

206Michelle said:

AALD, Your points about the hospital refusing him a private room are very poignant and appropriate. He was Prince, an easily-recognized public figure, so it's highly likely that hospital personnel knew who he was. The only ethical reason for them to refuse him a private room would have been if the hospital was at full capacity and giving him a private room would mean turning away other patients. However, if there was a private room available, they should have honoured his request for that private room.

It wasn't that they refused him a private room, iirc, but that they did not have any private rooms available. They are a small hospital with only 600 beds. However, those are spread out over several facilities around the state. Trinity Moline (from what I can find) only has 38 inpatient beds. If the hospital was the one in Moline Illinois and was not at one of their other campuses, then they are extremely small.

disch said:

I think the theory that he left the Moline hospital because they denied him a private room is a little hazy. Judith Hill described him as being cooperative and in a bed in some kind of room for the time he was there. Even if he had the fanciest private room available, I can't imagine he would have hung out in that hospital any longer than he had to. My guess (and obviously I have no facts about this) is that as soon as his plane was ready and cleared to take off, he left.

benni said:

It wasn't that they refused him a private room, iirc, but that they did not have any private rooms available. They are a small hospital with only 600 beds. However, those are spread out over several facilities around the state. Trinity Moline (from what I can find) only has 38 inpatient beds. If the hospital was the one in Moline Illinois and was not at one of their other campuses, then they are extremely small.

And then he was off riding his bike the next day..

disch said:

I think the theory that he left the Moline hospital because they denied him a private room is a little hazy. Judith Hill described him as being cooperative and in a bed in some kind of room for the time he was there. Even if he had the fanciest private room available, I can't imagine he would have hung out in that hospital any longer than he had to. My guess (and obviously I have no facts about this) is that as soon as his plane was ready and cleared to take off, he left.

benni said:

It wasn't that they refused him a private room, iirc, but that they did not have any private rooms available. They are a small hospital with only 600 beds. However, those are spread out over several facilities around the state. Trinity Moline (from what I can find) only has 38 inpatient beds. If the hospital was the one in Moline Illinois and was not at one of their other campuses, then they are extremely small.

I agree completely. And if they only have 38 beds available, then chances are they wouldn't have had a bed to put him in a room anyway. I think, iirc, from what Judith said, he stayed in the ER room for a few hours before they took off for home again. I can imagine that Prince would have wanted to go back to Chanhassen and be around familiar surroundings at the very least.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

rogifan said:

PeteSilas said: Is he up in heaven right now thinking all of us are nutters?

If Prince was still a practicing JW he didnt believe in heaven.

they knocked on my door today and gave us a flyer for an "Easter Service honoring Jesus"

i thought of Prince and these his fellow Kingdom Hall members.

Mumio said:

benni said:

I said in the other thread that I disagree with the idea that Prince was addicted, but that I think he did have a dependence. Too many keep saying he was abuser, but Prince did not, does not, fit the addiction profile. Everyone who is addicted has a dependence, but not everyone who is dependent develops an addiction. I work with a lot of individuals (elderly and disabled) who have chronic pain and have a dependence upon the opoids prescribed to them, and I have a couple that I could say are addicted. There is a big difference.

Thanks benni. This has been said numerous times in different ways but those saying it are frequently referred to as addict deniers I've seen addicts in action and we are not talking the same thing as what Prince was dealing with. I will NEVER believe nor say he was an addict, any more than I'd ever refer to someone who has a legitimate chronic pain condition as an addict just because they use opioids to manage their situation. I do believe he was dependent on pain medication to manage whatever health issue he was dealing with.

His official cause of death is an accidental fentanyl overdose. We know that he was dependent on opioids. Whether he was addicted to opioids or not is really splitting hairs at this point because he's dead. We are fortunate to have his musical legacy of 1000+ published songs and probably thousands that are unreleased. Why not focus on celebrating Prince and keeping alive his phenomenal musical and person legacy, and focus on passing that legacy on to others, especially younger generations?

purplefam99 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

If Prince was still a practicing JW he didnt believe in heaven.

they knocked on my door today and gave us a flyer for an "Easter Service honoring Jesus"

i thought of Prince and these his fellow Kingdom Hall members.

I wish they would knock on ours so that we could remind them of the pagansitic history of honoring Jesus. It's just as bad as Christmas and claiming God himself was a "christian'. The man is dead.

206Michelle said:

Mumio said:

Thanks benni. This has been said numerous times in different ways but those saying it are frequently referred to as addict deniers I've seen addicts in action and we are not talking the same thing as what Prince was dealing with. I will NEVER believe nor say he was an addict, any more than I'd ever refer to someone who has a legitimate chronic pain condition as an addict just because they use opioids to manage their situation. I do believe he was dependent on pain medication to manage whatever health issue he was dealing with.

His official cause of death is an accidental fentanyl overdose. We know that he was dependent on opioids. Whether he was addicted to opioids or not is really splitting hairs at this point because he's dead. We are fortunate to have his musical legacy of 1000+ published songs and probably thousands that are unreleased. Why not focus on celebrating Prince and keeping alive his phenomenal musical and person legacy, and focus on passing that legacy on to others, especially younger generations?

Michelle, I would normally agree, "focus on the music, that is his legacy". However, in this situation, I think that it does matter. Yes, the official cause of ... is "accidental" but I have seen repeated many times recently, "Prince was addicted". I've been staying away from these threads, until the recent release of amount of drugs in his system, because I don't need to talk about his death, and would rather celebrate his life. But the whole "dependence vs. addict" does matter, because this is a part of Prince's legacy as well.

This will always be a part of his history. Did he die as he stated he lived, cleanly, wholesomely, but developed a dependence on opoids due to pain? Or was there a hypocrisy within Prince, that he would preach against drugs and fine his bandmates for even smoking a cigarette, while he himself was addicted? In musical history books, centuries from now, when they discuss our era of music, our musical icons, the way in which we discuss Bach or Beethoven or Mozart, will they describe his death as a tragic accidental overdose due to a dependence upon opoids that he was taking for chronic pain? Or will they describe him as a man of excesses, addicted to drugs, and describe him as someone chasing his next "fix", addicted and broken?

We, as Prince fans, can shape that part of his legacy now. If we continually press the story that he was addicted, and do not stand up and deny that when we hear it, his legacy will always be colored with the tint of addiction. As his most loyal fans, if we explain the difference between dependency and addiction, and point out that Prince was dependent upon opoids for pain, then his story will unfold with his death being the tragedy that it is.

Overall, it really doesn't matter. We won't be here to see how it all plays out. His music will outlive all of us and he will still go down in musical history as a musical genius. But I would rather his musical history be accurate. Because as we know, history has been tainted all along dependent upon who is telling the story, but Prince was always and forever about the Truth, and I think that he would want that truth told. The Truth always matters.

[Edited 3/30/18 22:45pm]

people who say it doesn't matter should only speak for themselves and not everyone. It does matter just like it mattered with Elvis and MJ. Of course when you love someone, you don't want to face their frailties/mistakes especially when it ended their lives, it's understandable but I believe that we should know, should want to know. Of course the naysayers have a point, some poeple are just fucking nosy and will use anything negative to hurt the image. Just yesterday I was reading about a local woman who drowned in a pool, no doubt drugs/alcohol was the culprit yet and still, this woman's friends rightly took offense to the busy bodies asking about drugs or alchohol, people who did not know the woman and were just being nosy, in that case, i could see why they were protective. She was a popular local figure but she wasn't a public figure. Her friends know what happened and they likely don't want to dwell on it or feed trolls who just want to gossip and preach about something. Prince's case is different to me.

Also, time is of the essence, we still do not know what happened to Kennedy because so many people fucked up evidence, touched things they weren't suppossed to touch that whatever we could have gleaned is lost forever and we'll never know because of all the fuckups moreso than coverrups in my opinion. So, even if they seal the info it'll come out someday, didn't they examine a lock of Beethoven's hair a few years ago? With Prince, I still think something strange was afoot, they didn't waste a second getting rid of his corpse so that no one could take any second guesses, the whole thing is bizarre to me.

benni said:

206Michelle said:

His official cause of death is an accidental fentanyl overdose. We know that he was dependent on opioids. Whether he was addicted to opioids or not is really splitting hairs at this point because he's dead. We are fortunate to have his musical legacy of 1000+ published songs and probably thousands that are unreleased. Why not focus on celebrating Prince and keeping alive his phenomenal musical and person legacy, and focus on passing that legacy on to others, especially younger generations?

Michelle, I would normally agree, "focus on the music, that is his legacy". However, in this situation, I think that it does matter. Yes, the official cause of ... is "accidental" but I have seen repeated many times recently, "Prince was addicted". I've been staying away from these threads, until the recent release of amount of drugs in his system, because I don't need to talk about his death, and would rather celebrate his life. But the whole "dependence vs. addict" does matter, because this is a part of Prince's legacy as well.

This will always be a part of his history. Did he die as he stated he lived, cleanly, wholesomely, but developed a dependence on opoids due to pain? Or was there a hypocrisy within Prince, that he would preach against drugs and fine his bandmates for even smoking a cigarette, while he himself was addicted? In musical history books, centuries from now, when they discuss our era of music, our musical icons, the way in which we discuss Bach or Beethoven or Mozart, will they describe his death as a tragic accidental overdose due to a dependence upon opoids that he was taking for chronic pain? Or will they describe him as a man of excesses, addicted to drugs, and describe him as someone chasing his next "fix", addicted and broken?

We, as Prince fans, can shape that part of his legacy now. If we continually press the story that he was addicted, and do not stand up and deny that when we hear it, his legacy will always be colored with the tint of addiction. As his most loyal fans, if we explain the difference between dependency and addiction, and point out that Prince was dependent upon opoids for pain, then his story will unfold with his death being the tragedy that it is.

Overall, it really doesn't matter. We won't be here to see how it all plays out. His music will outlive all of us and he will still go down in musical history as a musical genius. But I would rather his musical history be accurate. Because as we know, history has been tainted all along dependent upon who is telling the story, but Prince was always and forever about the Truth, and I think that he would want that truth told. The Truth always matters.

[Edited 3/30/18 22:45pm]

I think they should clear it up because all the mystery coupled with tidbits of leaked info is creating conspiracy theories rather than the truth. ... If the man was killed, he deserves justice. If the man was enabled to such a degree that some jackass was just saying 'yes, Boss' and picking up highly lethal street drugs for him than that person has some real explaining and atonement to do. If Prince killed himself due to the pressure of aging in this industry,the isolation and loneliness of fame, paranoia, the inefficiency of pain relief, and/or the shame of drug addiction that there is a sad lesson to learned here and a reason to feel compasson for the man. Many musicians have had drug problems but when they are giving context (sad family histories, insecurity, anxiety, pain, etc) the public tends to have compassion. People don't call rock stars drug addicts as time goes by as much unless they are Whitney Houston or Amy Winehouse who were so obviously addicts and given so many chances for rehab. Elvis is still Elvis...however dead on a toilet jokes do come up every once in a while. So, I think it is important to handle the uncovering of an addiction with a degree of decorum and respect for the most private of situations. We don't need all the embarassing details that's for sure. But the public does need believable and consistent context so that his cause of his death can be put behind us.

benni said:

206Michelle said:

His official cause of death is an accidental fentanyl overdose. We know that he was dependent on opioids. Whether he was addicted to opioids or not is really splitting hairs at this point because he's dead. We are fortunate to have his musical legacy of 1000+ published songs and probably thousands that are unreleased. Why not focus on celebrating Prince and keeping alive his phenomenal musical and person legacy, and focus on passing that legacy on to others, especially younger generations?

Michelle, I would normally agree, "focus on the music, that is his legacy". However, in this situation, I think that it does matter. Yes, the official cause of ... is "accidental" but I have seen repeated many times recently, "Prince was addicted". I've been staying away from these threads, until the recent release of amount of drugs in his system, because I don't need to talk about his death, and would rather celebrate his life. But the whole "dependence vs. addict" does matter, because this is a part of Prince's legacy as well.

This will always be a part of his history. Did he die as he stated he lived, cleanly, wholesomely, but developed a dependence on opoids due to pain? Or was there a hypocrisy within Prince, that he would preach against drugs and fine his bandmates for even smoking a cigarette, while he himself was addicted? In musical history books, centuries from now, when they discuss our era of music, our musical icons, the way in which we discuss Bach or Beethoven or Mozart, will they describe his death as a tragic accidental overdose due to a dependence upon opoids that he was taking for chronic pain? Or will they describe him as a man of excesses, addicted to drugs, and describe him as someone chasing his next "fix", addicted and broken?

We, as Prince fans, can shape that part of his legacy now. If we continually press the story that he was addicted, and do not stand up and deny that when we hear it, his legacy will always be colored with the tint of addiction. As his most loyal fans, if we explain the difference between dependency and addiction, and point out that Prince was dependent upon opoids for pain, then his story will unfold with his death being the tragedy that it is.

Overall, it really doesn't matter. We won't be here to see how it all plays out. His music will outlive all of us and he will still go down in musical history as a musical genius. But I would rather his musical history be accurate. Because as we know, history has been tainted all along dependent upon who is telling the story, but Prince was always and forever about the Truth, and I think that he would want that truth told. The Truth always matters.

[Edited 3/30/18 22:45pm]

PeteSilas said:

people who say it doesn't matter should only speak for themselves and not everyone. It does matter just like it mattered with Elvis and MJ. Of course when you love someone, you don't want to face their frailties/mistakes especially when it ended their lives, it's understandable but I believe that we should know, should want to know. Of course the naysayers have a point, some poeple are just fucking nosy and will use anything negative to hurt the image. Just yesterday I was reading about a local woman who drowned in a pool, no doubt drugs/alcohol was the culprit yet and still, this woman's friends rightly took offense to the busy bodies asking about drugs or alchohol, people who did not know the woman and were just being nosy, in that case, i could see why they were protective. She was a popular local figure but she wasn't a public figure. Her friends know what happened and they likely don't want to dwell on it or feed trolls who just want to gossip and preach about something. Prince's case is different to me.

Also, time is of the essence, we still do not know what happened to Kennedy because so many people fucked up evidence, touched things they weren't suppossed to touch that whatever we could have gleaned is lost forever and we'll never know because of all the fuckups moreso than coverrups in my opinion. So, even if they seal the info it'll come out someday, didn't they examine a lock of Beethoven's hair a few years ago? With Prince, I still think something strange was afoot, they didn't waste a second getting rid of his corpse so that no one could take any second guesses, the whole thing is bizarre to me.

benni said:

Michelle, I would normally agree, "focus on the music, that is his legacy". However, in this situation, I think that it does matter. Yes, the official cause of ... is "accidental" but I have seen repeated many times recently, "Prince was addicted". I've been staying away from these threads, until the recent release of amount of drugs in his system, because I don't need to talk about his death, and would rather celebrate his life. But the whole "dependence vs. addict" does matter, because this is a part of Prince's legacy as well.

This will always be a part of his history. Did he die as he stated he lived, cleanly, wholesomely, but developed a dependence on opoids due to pain? Or was there a hypocrisy within Prince, that he would preach against drugs and fine his bandmates for even smoking a cigarette, while he himself was addicted? In musical history books, centuries from now, when they discuss our era of music, our musical icons, the way in which we discuss Bach or Beethoven or Mozart, will they describe his death as a tragic accidental overdose due to a dependence upon opoids that he was taking for chronic pain? Or will they describe him as a man of excesses, addicted to drugs, and describe him as someone chasing his next "fix", addicted and broken?

We, as Prince fans, can shape that part of his legacy now. If we continually press the story that he was addicted, and do not stand up and deny that when we hear it, his legacy will always be colored with the tint of addiction. As his most loyal fans, if we explain the difference between dependency and addiction, and point out that Prince was dependent upon opoids for pain, then his story will unfold with his death being the tragedy that it is.

Overall, it really doesn't matter. We won't be here to see how it all plays out. His music will outlive all of us and he will still go down in musical history as a musical genius. But I would rather his musical history be accurate. Because as we know, history has been tainted all along dependent upon who is telling the story, but Prince was always and forever about the Truth, and I think that he would want that truth told. The Truth always matters.

[Edited 3/30/18 22:45pm]

Thanks to both of you for also speaking up

Even if Prince had an addiction for 30 years like that tabloid story stated a couple years ago (due to social anxiety), it would be a disservice and injustice to label him a "drug addict". He accomplished too much and had too varied and complicated of a personality to be stuck with such a simple title. In fact, no 'drug addicts' with any ability to function whatsoever deserve that title. They are people with a problem, but they are so much more. All people have vices.. some vices (for lack of a better word) get the best of us. But Prince didn't spend his life in a stupor..and that is what real acknowledgment of the vastness of his work and honest nuanced description of the cause of his death should reveal to anyone with half a heart or brain.

Mumio said:

PeteSilas said:

people who say it doesn't matter should only speak for themselves and not everyone. It does matter just like it mattered with Elvis and MJ. Of course when you love someone, you don't want to face their frailties/mistakes especially when it ended their lives, it's understandable but I believe that we should know, should want to know. Of course the naysayers have a point, some poeple are just fucking nosy and will use anything negative to hurt the image. Just yesterday I was reading about a local woman who drowned in a pool, no doubt drugs/alcohol was the culprit yet and still, this woman's friends rightly took offense to the busy bodies asking about drugs or alchohol, people who did not know the woman and were just being nosy, in that case, i could see why they were protective. She was a popular local figure but she wasn't a public figure. Her friends know what happened and they likely don't want to dwell on it or feed trolls who just want to gossip and preach about something. Prince's case is different to me.

Also, time is of the essence, we still do not know what happened to Kennedy because so many people fucked up evidence, touched things they weren't suppossed to touch that whatever we could have gleaned is lost forever and we'll never know because of all the fuckups moreso than coverrups in my opinion. So, even if they seal the info it'll come out someday, didn't they examine a lock of Beethoven's hair a few years ago? With Prince, I still think something strange was afoot, they didn't waste a second getting rid of his corpse so that no one could take any second guesses, the whole thing is bizarre to me.

Thanks to both of you for also speaking up

purplerabbithole said:

Even if Prince had an addiction for 30 years like that tabloid story stated a couple years ago (due to social anxiety), it would be a disservice and injustice to label him a "drug addict". He accomplished too much and had too varied and complicated of a personality to be stuck with such a simple title. In fact, no 'drug addicts' with any ability to function whatsoever deserve that title. They are people with a problem, but they are so much more. All people have vices.. some vices (for lack of a better word) get the best of us. But Prince didn't spend his life in a stupor..and that is what real acknowledgment of the vastness of his work and honest nuanced description of the cause of his death should reveal to anyone with half a heart or brain.

Mumio said:

Thanks to both of you for also speaking up

[Bait snip - luv4u]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PeteSilas said:

thing is, no matter which way we i go, things don't make any damned sense. If he was a druggie he was unlike any of the rest, no reports, no real forewarnings, no visits to rehab, no public behavior that people would put down to drugs. I don't know. Maybe he was a real high maintenance addict. I still think he was physically sick, i really do. A man like Prince, a guy who would forego sleep and food shouldn't have problem with a few pills, i don't get it.

With all respect,Pete, I think a man who habitually went without proper nourishment and rest exhibited a long-standing disrespect for his body. As to the 'no reports, no forewarnings,etc.' I also have a different view. I think a lot of his behaviors, chalked up to privacy, paranoia, control, trust issues, no desire or capacity to be in a long-term, healthy relationship indicates someone whose entire world was geared to keeping secrets.

secrets only can be kept for so long. I think the 38 years he did it is unheard of for addiction. Of course people have said things about the paranoia in the past few years but he was always more than a little paranoid, even when people said he didn't mess with drugs. when i pointed to his lack of sleep, food and his work ethic, you have a point, it wasn't good for him in the long term but, my point was, a guy who could do without those things, a few withdrawals wouldn't be anything. I am positive though, people will talk in the coming years. I'm still surprised more people haven't spoken out on MJ and his molestation stuff, but I'd bet you that eventually people will. Truth has a way of coming out.

PeteSilas said:

206Michelle said:

PeteSilas said:

secrets only can be kept for so long. I think the 38 years he did it is unheard of for addiction. Of course people have said things about the paranoia in the past few years but he was always more than a little paranoid, even when people said he didn't mess with drugs. when i pointed to his lack of sleep, food and his work ethic, you have a point, it wasn't good for him in the long term but, my point was, a guy who could do without those things, a few withdrawals wouldn't be anything. I am positive though, people will talk in the coming years. I'm still surprised more people haven't spoken out on MJ and his molestation stuff, but I'd bet you that eventually people will. Truth has a way of coming out.

Mayte said in her book that he was not addicted to substances while they were married. Were there a few incidents of taking pills/drinking too much, yes, but these were few and far between.

thing is this, you can't hide shit, people know, even if they keep it to themselves. recently, i lost some friends because of the alcoholic wife and her rage. of course I saw she had a problem going back a couple years but i didn't say anything because it's none of my business. Her husband admitted it and that she "tries to hide it" when i told him i couldn't be around someone who might tell the police i did something i didn't. Anyway, long story short, i've never been around an addict who was able to conceal it, sorry for the lack of patience but i fucking hate drugs and alcohol. You can't hide the shit.

Bottom line is, Prince's family could release a public statement. I'm still holding out hope that they will, at some point in the not too distant future. This will put a lot of this drama and speculations to rest. It's been 2-years and the fans still don't have any real closure; at least I don't.

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I will never buy into the drug-addict theory, because Prince had the money to have the best doctor's in the world and he could have gotten treatment for his pain and/or dependency, instead of taking street drugs with a lethal cocktail of drugs.

purplethunder3121 said:

Menes said: