PeteSilas said:

getting back to our tiff here bona, just the way I see things, I've studied many a great man and although they all had some heroic qualities all of them had horrible qualities too. I've personally outgrown heroes as such, that doesn't mean I do not still admire the hell out of Malcolm x, Muhammad ali or Prince although they may have been hypocrites, may have been phonies in their some of their representations to the public, they all still had great qualities.

I personally think we need to get rid of not only heroes but celebrities which aren't even heroes necessarily but people who may have somehow lucked into some kind of notoriety for little reason of their own. the way people are ready to fawn and drool over them makes me sick and it's not even the celeb in question, it's the actual nature of celebrity. and nowadays, with all this internet and instant info we get, any dirt that is available is only a posting away from everyone knowing it and that celebs career being over. I am watching it happen to a local indian author right now, he's done, he had an adoring white public but he wasn't a very nice person, now he's done just that fast. Is that fair? Not really but white people are like that, once they see a flaw they are done with you.

as far as me and musicians, i just admittedly have kind of a short fuse and also i'm humble so it's hard to keep people in check because most people are just so competitive it would take a ton of energy for me to protect myself and it would also make me feel bad because the way most people treat each other would make me feel bad, i'd rather not do it. It ain't just musicians bona, it's humanity, buckle up because we're in for some crazy times, none of us can get along, as for me, I love my time alone and i love my time in prayer, i don't really need a lot of human contact, the less the better. I think the reason a lot of people need human contact is because they need faces to distract from themselves, it's the reason why solitary confinement is the one of the worst punishments, just think about that, prisoners would actually rather be around murderers, rapists, child molesters, thieves than to face themselves. well, i don't have that problem, i like me.

I used to work with someone who was VERY confident and extroverted, but if we had a meeting where she wasn't present, she would always peer in, knock on the door, or invite herself in: a very bad case of separation anxiety. But in a way hilarious. That type of person I can imagine being lonely sat on a toilet with no sound or anyone around

ya, i've known a lot of people like that, they aren't really that confident and they hate being alone because they can't stand themselves. It's sad really, common amongst the alcoholics I've known.

fortuneandserendipity said:

PeteSilas said:

getting back to our tiff here bona, just the way I see things, I've studied many a great man and although they all had some heroic qualities all of them had horrible qualities too. I've personally outgrown heroes as such, that doesn't mean I do not still admire the hell out of Malcolm x, Muhammad ali or Prince although they may have been hypocrites, may have been phonies in their some of their representations to the public, they all still had great qualities.

I personally think we need to get rid of not only heroes but celebrities which aren't even heroes necessarily but people who may have somehow lucked into some kind of notoriety for little reason of their own. the way people are ready to fawn and drool over them makes me sick and it's not even the celeb in question, it's the actual nature of celebrity. and nowadays, with all this internet and instant info we get, any dirt that is available is only a posting away from everyone knowing it and that celebs career being over. I am watching it happen to a local indian author right now, he's done, he had an adoring white public but he wasn't a very nice person, now he's done just that fast. Is that fair? Not really but white people are like that, once they see a flaw they are done with you.

as far as me and musicians, i just admittedly have kind of a short fuse and also i'm humble so it's hard to keep people in check because most people are just so competitive it would take a ton of energy for me to protect myself and it would also make me feel bad because the way most people treat each other would make me feel bad, i'd rather not do it. It ain't just musicians bona, it's humanity, buckle up because we're in for some crazy times, none of us can get along, as for me, I love my time alone and i love my time in prayer, i don't really need a lot of human contact, the less the better. I think the reason a lot of people need human contact is because they need faces to distract from themselves, it's the reason why solitary confinement is the one of the worst punishments, just think about that, prisoners would actually rather be around murderers, rapists, child molesters, thieves than to face themselves. well, i don't have that problem, i like me.

I used to work with someone who was VERY confident and extroverted, but if we had a meeting where she wasn't present, she would always peer in, knock on the door, or invite herself in: a very bad case of separation anxiety. But in a way hilarious. That type of person I can imagine being lonely sat on a toilet with no sound or anyone around

I'll ask again for anyone who knows about these thing:

What were Prince's strongest points as a producer?

herb4 said:

herb4 said:

herb4 said:

I'll ask again for anyone who knows about these thing:

What were Prince's strongest points as a producer?

making something really simple really great.

PeteSilas said:

ya, i've known a lot of people like that, they aren't really that confident and they hate being alone because they can't stand themselves. It's sad really, common amongst the alcoholics I've known.

fortuneandserendipity said:

I used to work with someone who was VERY confident and extroverted, but if we had a meeting where she wasn't present, she would always peer in, knock on the door, or invite herself in: a very bad case of separation anxiety. But in a way hilarious. That type of person I can imagine being lonely sat on a toilet with no sound or anyone around

yeah, there's like this weird distinction between 2 types of confidence. She was plenty vivacious which is outer confidence, always putting herself out there, and yet she seemed strangely unsatisfied which was probably her lack of self-esteem, inner confidence. I should be a shrink.

herb4 said:

I'll ask again for anyone who knows about these thing:

What were Prince's strongest points as a producer?

Making everything sound loud without sounding cluttered (so long as he wasn't going overboard with the tracks).

for me, his very best music had everything working perfectly together to serve the song. little red corvette, simple drum beat, nothing fancy but so perfect for the song that i can't imagine any other beat, the solo by dez, hendrixian more hendrixian than Prince usually went in those days, the synth motif playing throughout made the song all capped off with that perfect pop chorus which echoed the motif only with the jazz notes dropped off and a register higher. When they say one man band, it's not just his ability to play, that means little, it's his ability to put the pieces together in a way that is perfectly cohesive.