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Thread started 07/22/17 3:58pm

imprimis

New Leak: Others Here with Us (w/Clare Fischer Orchestration)

Your thoughts regarding this version, please.

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Reply #1 posted 07/22/17 4:04pm

BoraBora



Now this is really great!!! eek

I ever liked OHWU as it was, but this version is simply wonderful.


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Reply #2 posted 07/22/17 4:05pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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got it going now... so far it seems to be mixed too loud and adds little to the song... it is really overwhelming the rest of the song

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Reply #3 posted 07/22/17 4:06pm

Silvertongue7

One minute into it, it sounds way too busy! Too much going on, in my opinion...

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Reply #4 posted 07/22/17 4:09pm

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Silvertongue7 said:

One minute into it, it sounds way too busy! Too much going on, in my opinion...

yeah me too... it is too loud if it was mixed down (or whatever i do not know what i am talking about) it would work better

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Reply #5 posted 07/22/17 4:10pm

imprimis

Perhaps it would be functional this way if the 'demon scream' track were removed from the mix.

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[Edited 7/22/17 16:11pm]

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Reply #6 posted 07/22/17 4:13pm

mbdtyler

The atonal screaming synths make it really difficult to focus on the melodies of the orchestration. I dig the sparse sound of the original mix, now it'd be cool to have a version with just vocals, percussion, and the orchestra lol

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Reply #7 posted 07/22/17 4:14pm

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Silvertongue7 said:

One minute into it, it sounds way too busy! Too much going on, in my opinion...

That's how I always felt about that full orchestration version of I Wonder U that the Fischers played in that lecture. Probably Prince would have mixed it lower and probably eliminated much of the Fischer parts if he'd gone on to use the track. Still, glad to have it.

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Reply #8 posted 07/22/17 4:16pm

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It's like the musical equivalent of a horror movie. boxed

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Reply #9 posted 07/22/17 4:30pm

tmcjb

Never heard this song before now, so listened to both versions with/without orchestration.

My conclusion?

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Reply #10 posted 07/22/17 4:30pm

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I agree that it sounds too busy in this particular incarnation, but the orchestration certainly adds a new dimension and drama to the track. It could have worked beautifully if he'd chipped away at the underlying track a little (cutting out those screams as the orchestration builds). Interesting to hear though.

[Edited 7/22/17 16:31pm]

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Reply #11 posted 07/22/17 4:34pm

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Not sure if I like this. The orchestration seems to get in the way, if anything. The version we've always had's creepiness has always been accentuated by it's sparse-ness.

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Reply #12 posted 07/22/17 4:40pm

Thewooh

Sounds like Fischer didn't know what to do with the track. Also it's worth remembering that Prince rarely used Fischer's arrangements as they were presented. Prince usually re-arranged the arrangements and deserves co-credit for the orchestral arrangement usually only credited to Fischer.
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Reply #13 posted 07/22/17 6:05pm

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I didn't like this version at all. The other version has always been one of my favorite P boots! Like somebody else said, the sparsness of the original made it GREAT!

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Reply #14 posted 07/22/17 6:06pm

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Way too much going on. Sounds like a mess to me.

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Reply #15 posted 07/23/17 12:20am

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Prefer the "classic" version I've got to say. Like others have said the orchestration is too loud or more accurately the rest of the mix is too quiet. It's distracting and a bit of a jumble. Nice to be able to hear it though.

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Reply #16 posted 07/23/17 1:32am

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mbdtyler said:

The atonal screaming synths make it really difficult to focus on the melodies of the orchestration. I dig the sparse sound of the original mix, now it'd be cool to have a version with just vocals, percussion, and the orchestra lol

Yeah I'd really prefer if this were just a completely alternate rendition of the track without the screams from the previous one we had, instead of being an awkward combination of elements that overall overwhelm the song. A bit of a shame but still glad to have it.

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Reply #17 posted 07/23/17 1:56am

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Prefer the previous version I've heard...

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Reply #18 posted 07/23/17 7:44am

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I was very eager to hear this one, but no, like I mentioned in the main thread, the orchestra is fighting for space with the sound FX layers and the vocal. I'm keeping it, but the previous version remains definitive.

Keep your headphones on.
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Reply #19 posted 07/23/17 7:56am

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This sounds like the answer mix from Clare Fischer with his added stuff turned up for Prince to hear.

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Reply #20 posted 07/23/17 9:51am

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Funny, it sounds in this form even more like the post-industrial stuff released by labels like Cold Meat Industry or Cold Spring than what I thought was the case earlier - noisy stuff in the background mixed with orchestral elements and lyrics that deal with "horror" themes.

One band that you might recognize by the name would be Coil. This track is pretty close to that type of stuff.

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Reply #21 posted 07/23/17 10:10am

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RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

mbdtyler said:

The atonal screaming synths make it really difficult to focus on the melodies of the orchestration. I dig the sparse sound of the original mix, now it'd be cool to have a version with just vocals, percussion, and the orchestra lol

Yeah I'd really prefer if this were just a completely alternate rendition of the track without the screams from the previous one we had, instead of being an awkward combination of elements that overall overwhelm the song. A bit of a shame but still glad to have it.

Yes, I agree, that would be great to hear. I do actually like the orchestration and there are moments when his vocals and the orchestral swells coincide beautifully (1:40), but it’s constantly vying for dominance in this mix and just sounds a bit of a mess. I’m happy to hear experiments like this though – we can’t expect everything in the vault to work, and even failed experiments can help to illuminate the process.

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