ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

rogifan said:

Does anyone know who owns prince.com? I did a Whois search but the registrant information is private. All I can tell is the domain is not available. For officialpaisleypark.com the registrant is Elvis Presley Enterprises.

THis irritates me more than a little bit...

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

206Michelle said:

There was a brief discussion about the nullification of the UMG deal that took place on July 13. However, I did not see any discussion regarding the documents "Notice of Filing of Order and Order" that Carver County District Court filed on July 14, 2017 on The Minnesota Judicial Branch webpage for the PRN Estate: http://www.mncourts.gov/InReTheEstateofPrinceRogersNelson.aspx.

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What I find interesting about the 7/14 Order is that it summarizes the proceedings that ended in the nullification of the Estate and NPG Music's $31 million deal with UMG. I don't have any formal legal training and find many of the documents relating to the PRN Estate to be confusing due to preponderance of jargon (which is understanable because these are legal documents). (The only type of law on which I can speak with any kind of competence is special education law because I am a special education teacher.)

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Anyhow, the 7/14 Order summerizes the evidence and conclusions that caused the Eide Court to nullify the Estate/NPG/UMG deal, and does so in language that, in my opinion, most people with a bachelor's degree can understand. For those who are so inclined, I think that it's worth reading the 7/14 Order.

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Also, a question: Did the Court ever post an Order or a copy of the actual contract for $31 million among the Estate-NPG-UMG, on or around January 31, 2017? (I assume that the contract would have a lot of redactions.) I've looked for it on the PRN Estate website and can't find it.

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The above link is a bad so I dont know what you are referring to.

All business agreeements are sealed by the Court.

I edited my comment in order to fix the link. It wasn't working because of the period at the end.

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I understand that all of the business agreements are sealed, but I don't even remember seeing an Order referring to the filing of the Estate-NPG-UMG agreement. I was looking for such an order yesterday and didn't see one. It could be that I don't understand what I'm reading; as I said, I'm not a legal expert.

Lovejunky said:

rogifan said:

Does anyone know who owns prince.com? I did a Whois search but the registrant information is private. All I can tell is the domain is not available. For officialpaisleypark.com the registrant is Elvis Presley Enterprises.

THis irritates me more than a little bit...

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Yes, the same people who are managing Graceland are now managing Paisley Park. Why would that irritate you, just curious.......

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

DD55 said:

Yes. I've purchased domain names and put them up for sale on godaddy. I don't know about being a squatter though? If I buy it then it's mine for the duration of the length of time of my purchase. I've also let domain names expire. People do this all the time. And yes I keep my information private when selling domain names. As for Prince.com we have no way of knowing who exactly ownes it. ~DD55

It could be a real prince that owns it.

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cloveringold85 said:

Lovejunky said:

THis irritates me more than a little bit...

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Yes, the same people who are managing Graceland are now managing Paisley Park. Why would that irritate you, just curious.......

THat Elvis Presley Enteprises OWNS Officialpaisleypark.com ?

Just seems wrong...

Michael Jackson outbidding Paul McCartney for the Beetles Catalogue seemed wrong to me too...

MJ made millions from that deal...and Elvis,s Estate will no doubt make money from Prince.

I dont like it....

Thats ALL...

206Michelle said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The above link is a bad so I dont know what you are referring to.

All business agreeements are sealed by the Court.

I edited my comment in order to fix the link. It wasn't working because of the period at the end.

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I understand that all of the business agreements are sealed, but I don't even remember seeing an Order referring to the filing of the Estate-NPG-UMG agreement. I was looking for such an order yesterday and didn't see one. It could be that I don't understand what I'm reading; as I said, I'm not a legal expert.

The original Order for the contract between the Estate and UMG is also sealed.

You wont find any Orders for the agreement with Graceland for the operation of Paisley Park either, and for any other business agreeements the Estate enters into.

The attorneys have a program where they are able to review these agreements and orders that have been sealed.

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Lovejunky said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, the same people who are managing Graceland are now managing Paisley Park. Why would that irritate you, just curious.......

THat Elvis Presley Enteprises OWNS Officialpaisleypark.com ?

Just seems wrong...

Michael Jackson outbidding Paul McCartney for the Beetles Catalogue seemed wrong to me too...

MJ made millions from that deal...and Elvis,s Estate will no doubt make money from Prince.

I dont like it....

Thats ALL...

amen.

Lovejunky said:

morningsong said:

Lovejunky said:

THat Elvis Presley Enteprises OWNS Officialpaisleypark.com ?

Just seems wrong...

Michael Jackson outbidding Paul McCartney for the Beetles Catalogue seemed wrong to me too...

MJ made millions from that deal...and Elvis,s Estate will no doubt make money from Prince.

I dont like it....

Thats ALL...

Managing does not mean owning. Just like an apt complex, the owner hires a manager to collect the rent, keep the place repaired so on and so forth. PP is owned by the Estate and managed by Graceland. Its not a tragedy its business. people get paid to handle business, so yes graceland will get paid for their services.

Actually....EPE OWNS the DOT COM Officialpaisleypark.Thats what Im talking about...

Elvis Presley Enterpises is an organisation created to Manage ELVIS,s Assets.

I do get that this was a business decision but In their haste to open up the Doors to Paisley I think the Estate made a mistake.

THey should have left this aside for a while and concentrated on getting us the MUSIC...

The Museum was intended, but who made the decision that Opening the Doors to Paisley was a priority ?

I could have waited two or three years for that,

Instead we have a whole lot of People working there who know little about Prince History, and Some one thought it would be a great idea to allow Elvis,s Estate to own the Dot Com to what is essentially Princes IP....!!!

Its all kinds of stuffed up....

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Lovejunky said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, the same people who are managing Graceland are now managing Paisley Park. Why would that irritate you, just curious.......

THat Elvis Presley Enteprises OWNS Officialpaisleypark.com ?

Just seems wrong...

Michael Jackson outbidding Paul McCartney for the Beetles Catalogue seemed wrong to me too...

MJ made millions from that deal...and Elvis,s Estate will no doubt make money from Prince.

I dont like it....

Thats ALL...

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I don't believe they would do anything that would not be beneficial to Prince's estate, but I understand your concerns.

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Lot's of artists purchase other artists songs as a business investment. In March 2016, Sony paid 750M to buy MJs Beetles collection, so it's no longer a part of MJs estate.

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It is sad what happened, because McCartney felt there was no point in fighting trying to get the catalogue back.

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I sure hope that will not happen with Prince's estate.

Lovejunky said:

morningsong said:

Lovejunky said: Managing does not mean owning. Just like an apt complex, the owner hires a manager to collect the rent, keep the place repaired so on and so forth. PP is owned by the Estate and managed by Graceland. Its not a tragedy its business. people get paid to handle business, so yes graceland will get paid for their services.

Actually....EPE OWNS the DOT COM Officialpaisleypark.Thats what Im talking about...

Elvis Presley Enterpises is an organisation created to Manage ELVIS,s Assets.

I do get that this was a business decision but In their haste to open up the Doors to Paisley I think the Estate made a mistake.

THey should have left this aside for a while and concentrated on getting us the MUSIC...

The Museum was intended, but who made the decision that Opening the Doors to Paisley was a priority ?

I could have waited two or three years for that,

Instead we have a whole lot of People working there who know little about Prince History, and Some one thought it would be a great idea to allow Elvis,s Estate to own the Dot Com to what is essentially Princes IP....!!!

Its all kinds of stuffed up....

The Estate could not wait. It cost a small fortune to keep PP up and running.

This is why P would tour as often as he did, he needed the cash to keep PP operational.

The monthly utilities alone are probably astronimical.

PP is as big as the Whitehouse. They are both 55,000 square foot.

morningsong said:

Lovejunky said:

THat Elvis Presley Enteprises OWNS Officialpaisleypark.com ?

Just seems wrong...

Michael Jackson outbidding Paul McCartney for the Beetles Catalogue seemed wrong to me too...

MJ made millions from that deal...and Elvis,s Estate will no doubt make money from Prince.

I dont like it....

Thats ALL...

Managing does not mean owning. Just like an apt complex, the owner hires a manager to collect the rent, keep the place repaired so on and so forth. PP is owned by the Estate and managed by Graceland. Its not a tragedy its business. people get paid to handle business, so yes graceland will get paid for their services.

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Yes, that is true.

Lovejunky said:

morningsong said:

Lovejunky said: Managing does not mean owning. Just like an apt complex, the owner hires a manager to collect the rent, keep the place repaired so on and so forth. PP is owned by the Estate and managed by Graceland. Its not a tragedy its business. people get paid to handle business, so yes graceland will get paid for their services.

Actually....EPE OWNS the DOT COM Officialpaisleypark.Thats what Im talking about...

Elvis Presley Enterpises is an organisation created to Manage ELVIS,s Assets.

I do get that this was a business decision but In their haste to open up the Doors to Paisley I think the Estate made a mistake.

THey should have left this aside for a while and concentrated on getting us the MUSIC...

The Museum was intended, but who made the decision that Opening the Doors to Paisley was a priority ?

I could have waited two or three years for that,

Instead we have a whole lot of People working there who know little about Prince History, and Some one thought it would be a great idea to allow Elvis,s Estate to own the Dot Com to what is essentially Princes IP....!!!

Its all kinds of stuffed up....

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Yeah, but the thing is, they could not procrastinate and leave Paisley Park in limbo. If they didn't get PP up and running again as a museum/tours, it could have been lost for good. They need to have money coming in to keep in running. The estate is in such shambles now, and Paisley Park tours, and concerts/events is the only thing that is successful right now.

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I too, was upset when they opened PP so soon, but then I realized how important it was to do so.

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I really believe they will do good.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Lovejunky said:

Actually....EPE OWNS the DOT COM Officialpaisleypark.Thats what Im talking about...

Elvis Presley Enterpises is an organisation created to Manage ELVIS,s Assets.

I do get that this was a business decision but In their haste to open up the Doors to Paisley I think the Estate made a mistake.

THey should have left this aside for a while and concentrated on getting us the MUSIC...

The Museum was intended, but who made the decision that Opening the Doors to Paisley was a priority ?

I could have waited two or three years for that,

Instead we have a whole lot of People working there who know little about Prince History, and Some one thought it would be a great idea to allow Elvis,s Estate to own the Dot Com to what is essentially Princes IP....!!!

Its all kinds of stuffed up....

The Estate could not wait. It cost a small fortune to keep PP up and running.

This is why P would tour as often as he did, he needed the cash to keep PP operational.

The monthly utilities alone are probably astronimical.

PP is as big as the Whitehouse. They are both 55,000 square foot.

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Yes!

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A lot of people weren't too keen on having PP opened so soon, but it had to be done.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Lovejunky said:

Actually....EPE OWNS the DOT COM Officialpaisleypark.Thats what Im talking about...

Elvis Presley Enterpises is an organisation created to Manage ELVIS,s Assets.

I do get that this was a business decision but In their haste to open up the Doors to Paisley I think the Estate made a mistake.

THey should have left this aside for a while and concentrated on getting us the MUSIC...

The Museum was intended, but who made the decision that Opening the Doors to Paisley was a priority ?

I could have waited two or three years for that,

Instead we have a whole lot of People working there who know little about Prince History, and Some one thought it would be a great idea to allow Elvis,s Estate to own the Dot Com to what is essentially Princes IP....!!!

Its all kinds of stuffed up....

The Estate could not wait. It cost a small fortune to keep PP up and running.

This is why P would tour as often as he did, he needed the cash to keep PP operational.

The monthly utilities alone are probably astronimical.

PP is as big as the Whitehouse. They are both 55,000 square foot.

Not going to argue with you....

You feel that opening Paisley was the only Option, taxes, maintinence etc..

and You have some legal Legs..I know...

Im saying there are many ways to skin a cat...

anyway...its all moot ....nothing can be done

we are at the Mercy of the Money Mongers

Lovejunky said:

Lovejunky said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, the same people who are managing Graceland are now managing Paisley Park. Why would that irritate you, just curious.......

THat Elvis Presley Enteprises OWNS Officialpaisleypark.com ?

Just seems wrong...

Michael Jackson outbidding Paul McCartney for the Beetles Catalogue seemed wrong to me too...

MJ made millions from that deal...and Elvis,s Estate will no doubt make money from Prince.

I dont like it....

Thats ALL...

I'm glad that Graceland/Elvis Presley Enterprises is managing Paisley Park because the people at Graceland know what they are doing! I visited Graceland myself about 6 years ago, and I'm not a fan of Elvis, but I enjoyed visiting Graceland. The people running Graceland have the specialized expertise needed to curate and run PP, including events like The Celebration that took place in April, which has some similarities to Elvis Week.

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I hear what you are saying about the ownership of the domain name, but seriously, the Estate is such a mess that registering the domain name to the Estate of Prince Rogers Nelson would have been virtually meaningless. The management of the estate transferred from Bremer Trust to Comerica in January and it was only a couple of months ago that Judge Eide finally named the 6 siblings as heirs.

Lovejunky said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Lovejunky said:

Actually....EPE OWNS the DOT COM Officialpaisleypark.Thats what Im talking about...

Elvis Presley Enterpises is an organisation created to Manage ELVIS,s Assets.

I do get that this was a business decision but In their haste to open up the Doors to Paisley I think the Estate made a mistake.

THey should have left this aside for a while and concentrated on getting us the MUSIC...

The Museum was intended, but who made the decision that Opening the Doors to Paisley was a priority ?

I could have waited two or three years for that,

Instead we have a whole lot of People working there who know little about Prince History, and Some one thought it would be a great idea to allow Elvis,s Estate to own the Dot Com to what is essentially Princes IP....!!!

Its all kinds of stuffed up....

The Estate could not wait. It cost a small fortune to keep PP up and running.

This is why P would tour as often as he did, he needed the cash to keep PP operational.

The monthly utilities alone are probably astronimical.

PP is as big as the Whitehouse. They are both 55,000 square foot.

Great points!

morningsong said:

Lovejunky said:

Actually....EPE OWNS the DOT COM Officialpaisleypark.Thats what Im talking about...

Elvis Presley Enterpises is an organisation created to Manage ELVIS,s Assets.

I do get that this was a business decision but In their haste to open up the Doors to Paisley I think the Estate made a mistake.

THey should have left this aside for a while and concentrated on getting us the MUSIC...

The Museum was intended, but who made the decision that Opening the Doors to Paisley was a priority ?

I could have waited two or three years for that,

Instead we have a whole lot of People working there who know little about Prince History, and Some one thought it would be a great idea to allow Elvis,s Estate to own the Dot Com to what is essentially Princes IP....!!!

Its all kinds of stuffed up....

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. So> That's what a PM Co. does. Handle the business of generating profit for the property. You are running all kinds of things that are not related to each other together. This part of things isn't that serious. Its done.

yeah..I know..I know..I know....

just irritated in General ..

I think I need to take a break...

I feel like punching someone. ...

not coping...

missing him

Feeling like an overprotective Lioness....rambling on like a lunatic...

oh Prince..

what happened?????????

Lovejunky said:

morningsong said:

Lovejunky said: . So> That's what a PM Co. does. Handle the business of generating profit for the property. You are running all kinds of things that are not related to each other together. This part of things isn't that serious. Its done.

yeah..I know..I know..I know....

just irritated in General ..

I think I need to take a break...

I feel like punching someone. ...

not coping...

missing him

Feeling like an overprotective Lioness....rambling on like a lunatic...

oh Prince..

what happened?????????

Lovejunky, here is a for you. We all miss him.

206Michelle said:

Lovejunky said:

yeah..I know..I know..I know....

just irritated in General ..

I think I need to take a break...

I feel like punching someone. ...

not coping...

missing him

Feeling like an overprotective Lioness....rambling on like a lunatic...

oh Prince..

what happened?????????

Lovejunky, here is a for you. We all miss him.

THanks so much....I obviously need a few of these....bless U 206M

Lovejunky said:

This is a left turn I know but here is an article about Bob Marley who knew he was dying and did not leave a will. Also some interesting estate stuff.

http://www.newyorker.com/...bob-marley

“This will business is a big insult,” Marley’s mother, Cedella Booker, told a Washington Post reporter in 1991, as his estate navigated its latest set of legal challenges. “God never limit nobody! Jah never make no will!” Neville Garrick, a close friend who designed many of Marley’s album covers, mused in the 2012 documentary “Marley” that it may have been the singer’s final test, one in which “everybody reveal who they really were, you get me? Who really did love him, who fighting over the money.” It would have been out of character for Marley to neatly divvy up his property. “Bob left it open.”

206Michelle said:

Lovejunky said:

THat Elvis Presley Enteprises OWNS Officialpaisleypark.com ?

Just seems wrong...

Michael Jackson outbidding Paul McCartney for the Beetles Catalogue seemed wrong to me too...

MJ made millions from that deal...and Elvis,s Estate will no doubt make money from Prince.

I dont like it....

Thats ALL...

I'm glad that Graceland/Elvis Presley Enterprises is managing Paisley Park because the people at Graceland know what they are doing! I visited Graceland myself about 6 years ago, and I'm not a fan of Elvis, but I enjoyed visiting Graceland. The people running Graceland have the specialized expertise needed to curate and run PP, including events like The Celebration that took place in April, which has some similarities to Elvis Week.

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I hear what you are saying about the ownership of the domain name, but seriously, the Estate is such a mess that registering the domain name to the Estate of Prince Rogers Nelson would have been virtually meaningless. The management of the estate transferred from Bremer Trust to Comerica in January and it was only a couple of months ago that Judge Eide finally named the 6 siblings as heirs.

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I've been to Graceland also; many years ago. My Mom and Stepdad happened to be living in the area at the time and I'm glad I had the chance to visit Graceland. Otherwise, I probably would not have made the special trip to go there. I really enjoyed it.

Lovejunky said:

206Michelle said:

Lovejunky, here is a for you. We all miss him.

THanks so much....I obviously need a few of these....bless U 206M

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Lovejunky: Hope you are feeling better. I know, it's hard some days. It's been hard on all his fans........

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Take a deep breath and know that it will get better.

poppys said:

This is a left turn I know but here is an article about Bob Marley who knew he was dying and did not leave a will. Also some interesting estate stuff.

http://www.newyorker.com/...bob-marley

“This will business is a big insult,” Marley’s mother, Cedella Booker, told a Washington Post reporter in 1991, as his estate navigated its latest set of legal challenges. “God never limit nobody! Jah never make no will!” Neville Garrick, a close friend who designed many of Marley’s album covers, mused in the 2012 documentary “Marley” that it may have been the singer’s final test, one in which “everybody reveal who they really were, you get me? Who really did love him, who fighting over the money.” It would have been out of character for Marley to neatly divvy up his property. “Bob left it open.”

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Sad story. I think his religion does not believe in having any Wills. It's not in their belief system.

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I think James Brown's family are still fighting over his estate too; it's a mess.

Yes Clover, that is one way to look at it. But the other way is once you pass over, the money is of no use to you so let nature take it's course. Regardless of religion.

And in a Shakepearean way - let the greedy out themselves. They can't touch me anyway and the story of who is who will continue to unfold.