udo said:

laurarichardson said:

udo said: --Come on now you are blaming Larry for Prince not having kids? If Prince had something bad in his gene pool and could not have kids that is not Larry's fault. If Prince wanted to adopt kids he could have he choose not to do so.

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You are twisting my words.

Mayte left P because of Larry.

If that hadn't happened then they could have tried for more kids.

They could have been together for longer than they did.

A caring wife could have prevented this overdose thing from happening.

Don't you understand?

A caring wife could have prevented this overdose thing from happening.

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I am sorry to disagree with you but that simply does not fly. How many people have had beautiful, truly loving and caring relationships but still suffer from dependency and overdose? How many? You can have a "picture perfect" marriage but still be strangers - even in blood family, strangers. Unfortunately, this is not an uncommon occurance.

One never knows what is the others' heart - there is no way to truly know, only by blind trust/faith/belief of what the other CHOOSES for you to know what is in there, will one ever "know".

udo said:

laurarichardson said:

udo said:

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Children are not the main point.

Having a stable relationship with the love of one's life is.

Maybe P was too distracted to even recognise his own wife as the one (and stay with her for eternity), but without having an alternate universe to see the Larry-less version play out we will never really know.

1) It does not matter what Mayte wrote in her book. As soon as Prince had a girl on the side his mind was somewhere else. 2) He decided not to have a stable relationship and he was making that decision before Larry came along. 3) What do you know about Christianity? If had truly been following any Judaeo Christian religion he would have stayed married. He decided not to do that.

Great point, LR, I have often thought that with all his cross-swinging swag and bible-thumping posing Prince didn't practice his 'Christianity' very hard. To all of you who will counter, 'but we're all sinners, we're all imperfect beings in need of forgiveness' I say' Hell, Yeah' but Prince was uber preachy and judgemental about how HIS beliefs were THE way to go and I could never feel it because his open behaviors were so un-Christian The hypocracy was stunning. Let me add befoore I get the blowback that says, 'oh, but as he got older, he was different, he wasn't such a womanizer,' I say, he probably couldn't get it up BC of the drugs. Don't make a virtue out of his addiction.

I know this is the estate thread, but I am sure a lot of people who thought they might be taken care of in the end - but were not - might know enough to start talking for money. Oh .. right ... some of them already are. Nevermind.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laurarichardson said:

udo said: 1) It does not matter what Mayte wrote in her book. As soon as Prince had a girl on the side his mind was somewhere else. 2) He decided not to have a stable relationship and he was making that decision before Larry came along. 3) What do you know about Christianity? If had truly been following any Judaeo Christian religion he would have stayed married. He decided not to do that.

Great point, LR, I have often thought that with all his cross-swinging swag and bible-thumping posing Prince didn't practice his 'Christianity' very hard. To all of you who will counter, 'but we're all sinners, we're all imperfect beings in need of forgiveness' I say' Hell, Yeah' but Prince was uber preachy and judgemental about how HIS beliefs were THE way to go and I could never feel it because his open behaviors were so un-Christian The hypocracy was stunning. Let me add befoore I get the blowback that says, 'oh, but as he got older, he was different, he wasn't such a womanizer,' I say, he probably couldn't get it up BC of the drugs. Don't make a virtue out of his addiction.

Well I think like a lot of Christians he struggled. You have to think about the industry he was in to be a devout Christian in the entertainment industry that is a struggle. I do not think he wanted or tried to be a hypocrite. I think he tried and just could not get it right.

One of the people at the music conference in England last year said that the coference organizers reached out to Bria and she told them she broke up with him because she became a JW and that he did not take it as seriously as she did.

I do not know if his addiction to these pills were so bad that it made him impotant because Kandace Springs said he took her out on a date and tried to put the moves on her and that was in January of 2016 and she is about 30 years younger then him and he was seen with a lot of young ladies prior to 2016.

I believe the increase happen sometime in late January or he was weening himself off. Something was going on by the time he got to Austrailia but whatever it was he did not stop him from staying down under much longer than planned because he added additional shows when got down there.

Does not seem like something you would do if you were just drug sick and we now know Judith Hill was visting him for a few weeks at a time she has said since 2014. So girls were still around.

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1Sasha said:

I know this is the estate thread, but I am sure a lot of people who thought they might be taken care of in the end - but were not - might know enough to start talking for money. Oh .. right ... some of them already are. Nevermind.

The ones talking are not really saying anything. I think Prince knew who had a big mouth and who knows how to keep quiet.

I keep thinking about how Sheila kept saying when TMZ caught her at the airport that she was going to go to Minneapolis and find out what happend and later said the same old people were still taking advantage. It was as if she thought someone had done something but then later said she knew what happend but would never tell WTF does all of that even mean.

That drives me crazy! Then just keep your mouth shut in the first place! I still think several people know the truth but aren't talking for God knows what reason. If it could eradicate the celebrity junkie theory, TALK! TALK! TALK!

1Sasha said:

That drives me crazy! Then just keep your mouth shut in the first place! I still think several people know the truth but aren't talking for God knows what reason. If it could eradicate the celebrity junkie theory, TALK! TALK! TALK!

I want to think they are not talkling out respect for his privacy but I think it could be fear of a backlash or even a lawsuit.

Look at the mess with the estate. Why are more associates not speaking about LM. The only person who said anything at all is Dave Hampton.

Anyone who speaks a bit negative about Prince does get slaughtered - you're right on that. The lawsuit angle - I am thinking it is more that. None of them are wealthy - some might be comfortable but none can afford not to work.

1Sasha said:

Anyone who speaks a bit negative about Prince does get slaughtered - you're right on that. The lawsuit angle - I am thinking it is more that. None of them are wealthy - some might be comfortable but none can afford not to work.

So you think black balling

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

Anyone who speaks a bit negative about Prince does get slaughtered - you're right on that. The lawsuit angle - I am thinking it is more that. None of them are wealthy - some might be comfortable but none can afford not to work.

So you think black balling

Kirk needs to hurry with his book, in five years no one will care what he has to say.

moonsister said:

laurarichardson said:

So you think black balling

Kirk needs to hurry with his book, in five years no one will care what he has to say.

No one cares what he has to say right now. The average person would not know his "High you doing" ass if they saw him walking down the street.

laurarichardson said:

moonsister said:

Kirk needs to hurry with his book, in five years no one will care what he has to say.

No one cares what he has to say right now. The average person would not know his "High you doing" ass if they saw him walking down the street.

thousands of us would buy his book in a millisecond.

1Sasha said:

That drives me crazy! Then just keep your mouth shut in the first place! I still think several people know the truth but aren't talking for God knows what reason. If it could eradicate the celebrity junkie theory, TALK! TALK! TALK!

"Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops"

It's coming.

laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Great point, LR, I have often thought that with all his cross-swinging swag and bible-thumping posing Prince didn't practice his 'Christianity' very hard. To all of you who will counter, 'but we're all sinners, we're all imperfect beings in need of forgiveness' I say' Hell, Yeah' but Prince was uber preachy and judgemental about how HIS beliefs were THE way to go and I could never feel it because his open behaviors were so un-Christian The hypocracy was stunning. Let me add befoore I get the blowback that says, 'oh, but as he got older, he was different, he wasn't such a womanizer,' I say, he probably couldn't get it up BC of the drugs. Don't make a virtue out of his addiction.

Well I think like a lot of Christians he struggled. You have to think about the industry he was in to be a devout Christian in the entertainment industry that is a struggle. I do not think he wanted or tried to be a hypocrite. I think he tried and just could not get it right.

One of the people at the music conference in England last year said that the coference organizers reached out to Bria and she told them she broke up with him because she became a JW and that he did not take it as seriously as she did.

I do not know if his addiction to these pills were so bad that it made him impotant because Kandace Springs said he took her out on a date and tried to put the moves on her and that was in January of 2016 and she is about 30 years younger then him and he was seen with a lot of young ladies prior to 2016.

I believe the increase happen sometime in late January or he was weening himself off. Something was going on by the time he got to Austrailia but whatever it was he did not stop him from staying down under much longer than planned because he added additional shows when got down there.

Does not seem like something you would do if you were just drug sick and we now know Judith Hill was visting him for a few weeks at a time she has said since 2014. So girls were still around.

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LR, i believe that your first paragraph is pretty on the money. Devout doesn't necessarily mean

to christians that you are with out flaw it means however perhaps that you devoutly believe in a God. Not at all that you are capable of living a life without sin, quiet the opposite, sin is your birth

rite and your eternal earthy struggle against it. people who choose not to go to follow a religion

often think that because someone devoutly believes means that the output is going to or has to look perfect. following a spiritual path is no different from a yoga practice, diet, meditation, etc.

somedays you get it great and somedays you eat poorly dont do your yoga and such. that is the

true life of a christian, following a path, not getting it right, getting back on the path. IMO, best.

laurarichardson said:

udo said:

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So in a way Larry also caused this mess.

Had Mayte not divorced him he would have had someone to care for and a reason for a will.

Less chaos would have occurred and more music would have been released by now. (even if the death date would not change which is debatable)

--Come on now you are blaming Larry for Prince not having kids? If Prince had something bad in his gene pool and could not have kids that is not Larry's fault. If Prince wanted to adopt kids he could have he choose not to do so.

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Udo: Prince divorced Mayte. Larry has nothing to do with what happened between Prince and Mayte.

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No marriage is guaranteed to last.

laurarichardson said:

udo said:

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Children are not the main point.

Having a stable relationship with the love of one's life is.

Maybe P was too distracted to even recognise his own wife as the one (and stay with her for eternity), but without having an alternate universe to see the Larry-less version play out we will never really know.

1) It does not matter what Mayte wrote in her book. As soon as Prince had a girl on the side his mind was somewhere else. 2) He decided not to have a stable relationship and he was making that decision before Larry came along. 3) What do you know about Christianity? If had truly been following any Judaeo Christian religion he would have stayed married. He decided not to do that.

1) Yes it does matter what Mayte wrote in her book. Why, bc she would have known him more intimately than anyone, including Kirk Johnson, Morris Hayes, Larry Graham! Or is P so private that even Mayte didn't know the real him?

2) Most 'stable' relationships are unstable anyway hehe... well probably in your world. And Mayte probably wanted out of the relationship as much as he did, or she wouldn't have cheated on him. So your argument is kind of moot and straw man.

3) Christians get divorced all the time. That's what the official U.S. statistics suggest, that they get divorced more so than atheists - though how many of these so-called christians are not merely 'cultural christians' is anyone's guess. However, imo Christianity is the ultimate 'chisel on the side' religion which is cherry-picked and ignored by its followers more than any other religion. Marriage 'laws' are certainly not gonna stop any Christians from getting divorced!

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Udo: The loss of their newborn son, Amiir and then a miscarriage is what ultimately broke their marriage apart. Mayte even said so herself.

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udo said:

laurarichardson said:

udo said:

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Did you read her book?

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If he had a genetic defect he was not going to have any biological children at all. I am not twisting your words I actually asked a question.

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Children are not the main point.

Having a stable relationship with the love of one's life is.

Maybe P was too distracted to even recognise his own wife as the one (and stay with her for eternity), but without having an alternate universe to see the Larry-less version play out we will never really know.

rogifan said:

Is this still the estate thread? 🤔

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Who the hell knows? All these damn threads are getting off topic!

laurarichardson said:

udo said:

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Children are not the main point.

Having a stable relationship with the love of one's life is.

Maybe P was too distracted to even recognise his own wife as the one (and stay with her for eternity), but without having an alternate universe to see the Larry-less version play out we will never really know.

1) It does not matter what Mayte wrote in her book. As soon as Prince had a girl on the side his mind was somewhere else. 2) He decided not to have a stable relationship and he was making that decision before Larry came along. 3) What do you know about Christianity? If had truly been following any Judaeo Christian religion he would have stayed married. He decided not to do that.

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Prince decided to end the marriage and I don't think it was only due to the loss of their son and a miscarriage. None of us really have the inside scoop about what really went on in their relationship. And, Christians do get divorced.

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

udo said: 1) It does not matter what Mayte wrote in her book. As soon as Prince had a girl on the side his mind was somewhere else. 2) He decided not to have a stable relationship and he was making that decision before Larry came along. 3) What do you know about Christianity? If had truly been following any Judaeo Christian religion he would have stayed married. He decided not to do that.

1) Yes it does matter what Mayte wrote in her book. Why, bc she would have known him more intimately than anyone, including Kirk Johnson, Morris Hayes, Larry Graham! Or is P so private that even Mayte didn't know the real him?

2) Most 'stable' relationships are unstable anyway hehe... well probably in your world. And Mayte probably wanted out of the relationship as much as he did, or she wouldn't have cheated on him. So your argument is kind of moot and straw man.

3) Christians get divorced all the time. That's what the official U.S. statistics suggest, that they get divorced more so than atheists - though how many of these so-called christians are not merely 'cultural christians' is anyone's guess. However, imo Christianity is the ultimate 'chisel on the side' religion which is cherry-picked and ignored by its followers more than any other religion. Marriage 'laws' are certainly not gonna stop any Christians from getting divorced!

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Fortune: I agree. However, I don't think Mayte necessarily knew Prince better than other women he was with.

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I also agree on the Christian part. Being a Christian does not mean you are exempt from divorce. I know plenty of Christians were are now divorced. There was a time when divorce was frowned down upon, but things are entirely different today. Divorce is more acceptable and commonplace, even for Christians.

cloveringold85 said:

rogifan said:

Is this still the estate thread? 🤔

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Who the hell knows? All these damn threads are getting off topic!

cloveringold85 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Who the hell knows? All these damn threads are getting off topic!

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LMAO!! You're too much! LOL

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince decided to end the marriage and I don't think it was only due to the loss of their son and a miscarriage. None of us really have the inside scoop about what really went on in their relationship. And, Christians do get divorced.

Of course Christians get divorced in my next post I mentioned how I felt he was a Chritian who struggled he even went to marriage consulting with M2 so he tried.

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I just think some people have the notion because you are Christian you can't get divorced or have a failing marriage. It was directed to Udo.......I understood what you meant though.

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M2 filed for the divorce, so I think Prince was trying to make it work, and like you said, he tried counseling. M2 had her eyes on Eric Benet, but that's another story!

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said:

Of course Christians get divorced in my next post I mentioned how I felt he was a Chritian who struggled he even went to marriage consulting with M2 so he tried.

Yes you can be immensely flawed and be devout in your belief that there is a god. I think that was his stance. He wanted People to know God. I think he knew that the road to know him was just that a struggle.

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True. I think he struggled with Christianity, like most of us do. I think the important thing is the journey/walk we have with God, and not trying too hard to understand him, but living in a way that is of God. We all fail at times at reaching that goal, but the important thing is that we "try". Prince was a God-loving man, and he accepted Jesus Christ as his savior. He got a lot of criticism when he became a JW, because he lifestyle really did not portray a christian lifestyle. I will never figure it out.....he was rock star, and Brother Nelson at the same time.

cloveringold85 said:

Now we are talking about Mayte along with P's Christianity on the Estate Thread?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Now we are talking about Mayte along with P's Christianity on the Estate Thread?

See what happens when you walk away for a hot minute.