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Reply #120 posted 06/20/17 7:51pm

JudasLChrist

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rdhull said:

Identity said:




She ought to write a book about her time as a member of the Revolution and her post-Prince career. Wendy has a sharp tongue and a stinging wit, and she is magnificent at demystifying Prince.

Demistify? You TMZ mamajamma's kill me. You need hands on reports and books to know dude was human and find your way through the purple fog? lol. The deciphering of the music, production, wrting is cool but most of yall are just gossip people. With your hidden real names on here ta boot but want anothers whole life put out there for your own disgusting pleasure.


You wouldn't appreciate a Wendy book?

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Reply #121 posted 06/20/17 8:06pm

rdhull

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JudasLChrist said:

rdhull said:

Demistify? You TMZ mamajamma's kill me. You need hands on reports and books to know dude was human and find your way through the purple fog? lol. The deciphering of the music, production, wrting is cool but most of yall are just gossip people. With your hidden real names on here ta boot but want anothers whole life put out there for your own disgusting pleasure.


You wouldn't appreciate a Wendy book?

lol no..why would I? It seems like we have hd one over the yers anyways. You guys trip me out.

"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #122 posted 06/20/17 8:09pm

JudasLChrist

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rdhull said:

JudasLChrist said:


You wouldn't appreciate a Wendy book?

lol no..why would I? It seems like we have hd one over the yers anyways. You guys trip me out.


'Why would I?" Is a dumb question on a Prince forum, I think.

I would love a book. I think a 'oral history of the Revolution era' would be even more amazing. Get all his band members, staff and family, etc... to speak candid for a collective history. That would be a great book.

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Reply #123 posted 06/20/17 8:26pm

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JudasLChrist said:

rdhull said:

lol no..why would I? It seems like we have hd one over the yers anyways. You guys trip me out.


'Why would I?" Is a dumb question on a Prince forum, I think.

Get all his band members, staff and family, etc... to speak candid for a collective history.

Ive already done all that.

"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #124 posted 06/20/17 9:10pm

JudasLChrist

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rdhull said:

JudasLChrist said:


'Why would I?" Is a dumb question on a Prince forum, I think.

Get all his band members, staff and family, etc... to speak candid for a collective history.

Ive already done all that.


Ew, don't be like that.

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Reply #125 posted 06/21/17 5:46am

OldFriends4Sal
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LOL I love reading peoples 'come 2 Prince' stories. So thank U for sharing this.

The 1978-1989 Period is forever my favorite hands down. Cannot say enough about it.

.

The 90s my attention with Prince waned(after being embarrassed by the GB movie), but being in college and really living life differently I found a lot of other artists who translated the times better... I continually watched Prince though.

That is interesting, I find myself doing the same thing, creating compilations of the 90s music.
the Gold Experience and the Truth are my 2 favorite periods too. I enjoy the Rave 'look'.

.

My favorite periods/albums in the 2000s is the Rainbow Children/ONA and the 3121-Planet Earth period was fun. I love the song Planet Earth. And interestingly 20Ten is one of my favs. AoA actually depressed me after hearing it. And Hit n Run Phase II I enjoy so much more than Phase I

purplerabbithole said:

  • I guess I am giving the long answer...LOL>..

  1. I liked the 10 or so songs I knew of his when I was a kid growing up (particularly WDC and Kiss). I went to the Super BOwl in 2007 in Miami (my father worked for the Indianapolis Colts), I saw the halftime show in the rain, and I was suprised at his guitar playing prowess (loved the hashup of Along the Watchtower/Best of You). Flash forward to April 21st, 2016, I was teaching basic English in a high school. A teacher's aide in her early 50's says "Guess who died today. Prince" I reacted with shock and then some of my students and I talked about his death. About 70% of my students were African American so there were discussions of yet another black icon dying (one girl was pretty bummed), there were MJ comparisons (even then I was bigger fan of PRince so I was team Prince) and there were some kids who didn't know who he was. I went home that night and dug out my pictures from the Superbowl and looked him up on youtube. I didn't find the superbowl footage at the time, but I saw a great many concert clips, videos, and fan made tributes as well as obscure songs. I wasn't aware of the belief in an 1980's peak and I just listened to what the fans seemed to be suggesting. I actually heard "there is lonely" before I ever heard "Another Love..." or "Ballad of Dorothy Parker". And then I discussed Prince a little more with my students the next day. One girl had actually watched Purple Rain with her mom the night before his death so she thought it was pretty trippy. My obsession grew from there. I got a tidal subscription (I must have sensed how unavailable some of his later work would be) and I bought quite a few downloads of albums from them before the estate stuck it to them. I bought physical CD's. I own about 300 or so songs of his now...(maybe more).

  • Favorite 80's album--unoriginal answer but I would say Sign ofthe Times followed by 1999 and then Purple Rain. I like Parade a lot but I am not as fond of his vocals. (Controversy and Dirty Mind have really really grown on me but I wish he used his falsetto a little less often on those albums) Around the World in a Day is an inconsistent album but I could listen to Raspberry Beret, Paisley Park (love that song), Pop LIfe and Tamborine all day long...LOL> Starting to really like LoveSexy and the Batman Soundtrack as well (give or take a few songs I don't love as much).

  • Favorite 90's album--I have talked about this before. I tend to create complilations of his songs for myself because of the inconsistency of the quality..(for example I picked the best songs from Graffitti Bridge and Diamond and Pearls and created my own playlist..) But the most consistently solid albums of his in the 90's were the Truth, The Vault (Old Friends for sale) and the Gold Experience. (But I do love a ton of songs in that period...so some of my favorite 90's songs actually come from the love symbol album (7, And God created Women, Damn U) , Crystal Ball (Days of wild) and Graffiti Bridge (joy in repetition and the Question of U). I think my favorite 90's song overall is Pink Cashmere.

  • Favorite 2000's--3121 and Art Official Age...(also quite fond of his last album and musicology) not a fan of Planet Earth (love a few songs though), I dont really like MLPS sound, find HNR phase 1 inconsistent but a bit underrated, find Lotusflower and Rainbrow CHildren musically strong but at times lyrically annoying, find 20ten to be catchy and mostly pleasant.

OldFriends4Sale said:

it was a sorta compliment

but when did you become a Prince fan?

what is your favorite album from the 80s from the 90s from the 2000s?

[Edited 6/20/17 19:34pm]

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Reply #126 posted 06/21/17 5:56am

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She didn't know sh*t, for obvious reasons. Man you folks eat this stuff up sometimes, use some common sense. That is her opinion and speculation on why he passed, if that is what works for her, helps her through the healing process, that is great, but to take her paragraph and make it law, from someone who barely saw Prince post 88, just makes no sense. She has no idea what he was going through, not going through, or, what was taking place in his life, let alone his mind.







[Edited 6/21/17 6:04am]

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
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Reply #127 posted 06/21/17 6:27am

wonder505

leadline said:

She didn't know sh*t, for obvious reasons. Man you folks eat this stuff up sometimes, use some common sense. That is her opinion and speculation on why he passed, if that is what works for her, helps her through the healing process, that is great, but to take her paragraph and make it law, from someone who barely saw Prince post 88, just makes no sense. She has no idea what he was going through, not going through, or, what was taking place in his life, let alone his mind.







[Edited 6/21/17 6:04am]

Thank you. cool

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Reply #128 posted 06/21/17 6:39am

OldFriends4Sal
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JudasLChrist said:

rdhull said:

lol no..why would I? It seems like we have hd one over the yers anyways. You guys trip me out.


'Why would I?" Is a dumb question on a Prince forum, I think.

I would love a book. I think a 'oral history of the Revolution era' would be even more amazing. Get all his band members, staff and family, etc... to speak candid for a collective history. That would be a great book.

I want a nice hardcover set for each period 70s 80s 90s 2000s

each in different shades of purple dark to light

within each set possible a book for each album and those around/involved/Prince interview quotes etc

So yeah I want something with Wendy, and s many people possible. While we can, cannonize it all. Puprle historians and academians...

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Reply #129 posted 06/21/17 6:53am

rogifan

leadline said:

She didn't know sh*t, for obvious reasons. Man you folks eat this stuff up sometimes, use some common sense. That is her opinion and speculation on why he passed, if that is what works for her, helps her through the healing process, that is great, but to take her paragraph and make it law, from someone who barely saw Prince post 88, just makes no sense. She has no idea what he was going through, not going through, or, what was taking place in his life, let alone his mind.









[Edited 6/21/17 6:04am]


That's the thing, is she speaking from specific knowledge of Prince's situation or what she assumed was his situation and then throwing stuff in about addiction because she lost a brother to it. I've seen some on social media claim Prince was this decades long opioid addict and all they're basing it on is that he had to have joint pain from everything he did on stage oh and they know someone or have a family member who has taken painkillers for years due to chronic pain and they function completely normally so to them it's totally normal. I'm sorry but it's not. Oh and the best is those who claim they've spoken to family members who are convinced of this, that or the other. As if a family member is going to blab this to a stranger.
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Reply #130 posted 06/21/17 8:34am

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I forgot about ONA..that is an interesting album. Did AOA depress you because of its content or its quality?

OldFriends4Sale said:

LOL I love reading peoples 'come 2 Prince' stories. So thank U for sharing this.

The 1978-1989 Period is forever my favorite hands down. Cannot say enough about it.

.

The 90s my attention with Prince waned(after being embarrassed by the GB movie), but being in college and really living life differently I found a lot of other artists who translated the times better... I continually watched Prince though.

That is interesting, I find myself doing the same thing, creating compilations of the 90s music.
the Gold Experience and the Truth are my 2 favorite periods too. I enjoy the Rave 'look'.

.

My favorite periods/albums in the 2000s is the Rainbow Children/ONA and the 3121-Planet Earth period was fun. I love the song Planet Earth. And interestingly 20Ten is one of my favs. AoA actually depressed me after hearing it. And Hit n Run Phase II I enjoy so much more than Phase I

purplerabbithole said:

  • I guess I am giving the long answer...LOL>..

  1. I liked the 10 or so songs I knew of his when I was a kid growing up (particularly WDC and Kiss). I went to the Super BOwl in 2007 in Miami (my father worked for the Indianapolis Colts), I saw the halftime show in the rain, and I was suprised at his guitar playing prowess (loved the hashup of Along the Watchtower/Best of You). Flash forward to April 21st, 2016, I was teaching basic English in a high school. A teacher's aide in her early 50's says "Guess who died today. Prince" I reacted with shock and then some of my students and I talked about his death. About 70% of my students were African American so there were discussions of yet another black icon dying (one girl was pretty bummed), there were MJ comparisons (even then I was bigger fan of PRince so I was team Prince) and there were some kids who didn't know who he was. I went home that night and dug out my pictures from the Superbowl and looked him up on youtube. I didn't find the superbowl footage at the time, but I saw a great many concert clips, videos, and fan made tributes as well as obscure songs. I wasn't aware of the belief in an 1980's peak and I just listened to what the fans seemed to be suggesting. I actually heard "there is lonely" before I ever heard "Another Love..." or "Ballad of Dorothy Parker". And then I discussed Prince a little more with my students the next day. One girl had actually watched Purple Rain with her mom the night before his death so she thought it was pretty trippy. My obsession grew from there. I got a tidal subscription (I must have sensed how unavailable some of his later work would be) and I bought quite a few downloads of albums from them before the estate stuck it to them. I bought physical CD's. I own about 300 or so songs of his now...(maybe more).

  • Favorite 80's album--unoriginal answer but I would say Sign ofthe Times followed by 1999 and then Purple Rain. I like Parade a lot but I am not as fond of his vocals. (Controversy and Dirty Mind have really really grown on me but I wish he used his falsetto a little less often on those albums) Around the World in a Day is an inconsistent album but I could listen to Raspberry Beret, Paisley Park (love that song), Pop LIfe and Tamborine all day long...LOL> Starting to really like LoveSexy and the Batman Soundtrack as well (give or take a few songs I don't love as much).

  • Favorite 90's album--I have talked about this before. I tend to create complilations of his songs for myself because of the inconsistency of the quality..(for example I picked the best songs from Graffitti Bridge and Diamond and Pearls and created my own playlist..) But the most consistently solid albums of his in the 90's were the Truth, The Vault (Old Friends for sale) and the Gold Experience. (But I do love a ton of songs in that period...so some of my favorite 90's songs actually come from the love symbol album (7, And God created Women, Damn U) , Crystal Ball (Days of wild) and Graffiti Bridge (joy in repetition and the Question of U). I think my favorite 90's song overall is Pink Cashmere.

  • Favorite 2000's--3121 and Art Official Age...(also quite fond of his last album and musicology) not a fan of Planet Earth (love a few songs though), I dont really like MLPS sound, find HNR phase 1 inconsistent but a bit underrated, find Lotusflower and Rainbrow CHildren musically strong but at times lyrically annoying, find 20ten to be catchy and mostly pleasant.

[Edited 6/20/17 19:34pm]

[Edited 6/21/17 8:37am]

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Reply #131 posted 06/21/17 8:57am

JudasLChrist

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rogifan said:

leadline said:

She didn't know sh*t, for obvious reasons. Man you folks eat this stuff up sometimes, use some common sense. That is her opinion and speculation on why he passed, if that is what works for her, helps her through the healing process, that is great, but to take her paragraph and make it law, from someone who barely saw Prince post 88, just makes no sense. She has no idea what he was going through, not going through, or, what was taking place in his life, let alone his mind.







[Edited 6/21/17 6:04am]

That's the thing, is she speaking from specific knowledge of Prince's situation or what she assumed was his situation and then throwing stuff in about addiction because she lost a brother to it. I've seen some on social media claim Prince was this decades long opioid addict and all they're basing it on is that he had to have joint pain from everything he did on stage oh and they know someone or have a family member who has taken painkillers for years due to chronic pain and they function completely normally so to them it's totally normal. I'm sorry but it's not. Oh and the best is those who claim they've spoken to family members who are convinced of this, that or the other. As if a family member is going to blab this to a stranger.


OK, are people STILL bristling at the idea tha Prince was addicted to opiods? Because he absolutely was, and there isn't any doubt about it. One doesn't hire a specialist to help with withdrawls if one isn't addicted. One doesn't buy their prescription drugs illegally if one isn't having some issues.


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Reply #132 posted 06/21/17 8:58am

OldFriends4Sal
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quality.
I kept forgetting I was hearing a Prince album. I remember feeling "Prince is not here Prince is gone"

And then around the same time I remember reading his response to why he let someone produce him. He said "when things don't seem to be working you have to try something different"

purplerabbithole said:

I forgot about ONA..that is an interesting album. Did AOA depress you because of its content or its quality?

OldFriends4Sale said:

LOL I love reading peoples 'come 2 Prince' stories. So thank U for sharing this.

The 1978-1989 Period is forever my favorite hands down. Cannot say enough about it.

.

The 90s my attention with Prince waned(after being embarrassed by the GB movie), but being in college and really living life differently I found a lot of other artists who translated the times better... I continually watched Prince though.

That is interesting, I find myself doing the same thing, creating compilations of the 90s music.
the Gold Experience and the Truth are my 2 favorite periods too. I enjoy the Rave 'look'.

.

My favorite periods/albums in the 2000s is the Rainbow Children/ONA and the 3121-Planet Earth period was fun. I love the song Planet Earth. And interestingly 20Ten is one of my favs. AoA actually depressed me after hearing it. And Hit n Run Phase II I enjoy so much more than Phase I

[Edited 6/21/17 8:37am]

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Reply #133 posted 06/21/17 9:50am

rogifan

JudasLChrist said:



rogifan said:


leadline said:

She didn't know sh*t, for obvious reasons. Man you folks eat this stuff up sometimes, use some common sense. That is her opinion and speculation on why he passed, if that is what works for her, helps her through the healing process, that is great, but to take her paragraph and make it law, from someone who barely saw Prince post 88, just makes no sense. She has no idea what he was going through, not going through, or, what was taking place in his life, let alone his mind.










[Edited 6/21/17 6:04am]



That's the thing, is she speaking from specific knowledge of Prince's situation or what she assumed was his situation and then throwing stuff in about addiction because she lost a brother to it. I've seen some on social media claim Prince was this decades long opioid addict and all they're basing it on is that he had to have joint pain from everything he did on stage oh and they know someone or have a family member who has taken painkillers for years due to chronic pain and they function completely normally so to them it's totally normal. I'm sorry but it's not. Oh and the best is those who claim they've spoken to family members who are convinced of this, that or the other. As if a family member is going to blab this to a stranger.


OK, are people STILL bristling at the idea tha Prince was addicted to opiods? Because he absolutely was, and there isn't any doubt about it. One doesn't hire a specialist to help with withdrawls if one isn't addicted. One doesn't buy their prescription drugs illegally if one isn't having some issues.



No what I'm saying is just because her brother died from a drug overdose doesn't mean she knows Prince's situation. None of us do. Every situation is different.
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Reply #134 posted 06/21/17 10:11am

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rogifan said:

JudasLChrist said:


OK, are people STILL bristling at the idea tha Prince was addicted to opiods? Because he absolutely was, and there isn't any doubt about it. One doesn't hire a specialist to help with withdrawls if one isn't addicted. One doesn't buy their prescription drugs illegally if one isn't having some issues.


No what I'm saying is just because her brother died from a drug overdose doesn't mean she knows Prince's situation. None of us do. Every situation is different.


I don't understand that response, cause it's no like she's talking about things she doesn't know.

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Reply #135 posted 06/21/17 10:21am

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JudasLChrist said:



rogifan said:


JudasLChrist said:



OK, are people STILL bristling at the idea tha Prince was addicted to opiods? Because he absolutely was, and there isn't any doubt about it. One doesn't hire a specialist to help with withdrawls if one isn't addicted. One doesn't buy their prescription drugs illegally if one isn't having some issues.




No what I'm saying is just because her brother died from a drug overdose doesn't mean she knows Prince's situation. None of us do. Every situation is different.


I don't understand that response, cause it's no like she's talking about things she doesn't know.


What does she know? How involved was she in Prince's life the last 15-20 years.
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Reply #136 posted 06/21/17 10:30am

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rogifan said:

JudasLChrist said:


I don't understand that response, cause it's no like she's talking about things she doesn't know.

What does she know? How involved was she in Prince's life the last 15-20 years.

She obviously talks about what she knows. So, what's the issue?

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Reply #137 posted 06/21/17 10:54am

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rogifan said:

JudasLChrist said:


I don't understand that response, cause it's no like she's talking about things she doesn't know.

What does she know? How involved was she in Prince's life the last 15-20 years.

When you say 'involved' what do you mean?


I think a lot of people look at people with Prince in a 'business' fashion. If they don't see them onstage with Prince, then they must not be in Prince's life.

Yeah Prince and Wendy talked, on the phone and face to face, Prince visited their studio and talked with Wendy about her child, Wendy visited Prince at his home on the west coast.


How 'involved' do you need her to be?

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Reply #138 posted 06/21/17 11:07am

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To all the people saying they don't know what they are talking about, they absolutely do.
.
In reading this part from Lisa, I'm reminded of all the foolish doe eyed fans who were saying "Oh he looks just as young as he did in 1982" or "He just doesn't age, he never ages" blah blah blah
.
I remember arguing with people who did not seem to understand that it has to be hard for entertainers like Prince(and others) whose look was a big part of their career, and holding him to certain high standards like that cannot be easy for him. Look at how people ripped him for growing out his hair, and the bald joke etc

.

Yeah, Lisa knows what she is talking about "Nobody can live that way all the time. We can't hold these people to these extreme standards. Age happens ... "

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Reply #139 posted 06/21/17 11:22am

paulludvig

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She didn't know sh*t, for obvious reasons. Man you folks eat this stuff up sometimes, use some common sense. That is her opinion and speculation on why he passed, if that is what works for her, helps her through the healing process, that is great, but to take her paragraph and make it law, from someone who barely saw Prince post 88, just makes no sense. She has no idea what he was going through, not going through, or, what was taking place in his life, let alone his mind.







[Edited 6/21/17 6:04am]

Agreed!

The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #140 posted 06/21/17 11:32am

wonder505

OldFriends4Sale said:

To all the people saying they don't know what they are talking about, they absolutely do.
.
In reading this part from Lisa, I'm reminded of all the foolish doe eyed fans who were saying "Oh he looks just as young as he did in 1982" or "He just doesn't age, he never ages" blah blah blah
.
I remember arguing with people who did not seem to understand that it has to be hard for entertainers like Prince(and others) whose look was a big part of their career, and holding him to certain high standards like that cannot be easy for him. Look at how people ripped him for growing out his hair, and the bald joke etc

.

Yeah, Lisa knows what she is talking about "Nobody can live that way all the time. We can't hold these people to these extreme standards. Age happens ... "

For me there is a huge gap, of Prince's mindstate within the past two years or so and I dont think any member of the Revolution can answer to what that entailed. I sensed a lot of spiritual growth and consciousness, politically and personally, for which none of the Revolution members have spoken about to my knowledge and I am willing to stand corrected. As a fan, I have no place questioning Wendy or Lisa in being involved but there interaction could very well be surface talk, like old friends catching up, asking how are they kids, making plans about playing together, without getting too deep. Idk. What Lisa stated was true, but its a part of a long list of speculation as to why Prince's fate ended so suddenly.

I guess what I'm saying is the thing they can answer to, a part from what it was like to work with him and the creation of songs from that era, I dont think I can get from them.

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Reply #141 posted 06/21/17 11:52am

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paulludvig said:

leadline said:

She didn't know sh*t, for obvious reasons. Man you folks eat this stuff up sometimes, use some common sense. That is her opinion and speculation on why he passed, if that is what works for her, helps her through the healing process, that is great, but to take her paragraph and make it law, from someone who barely saw Prince post 88, just makes no sense. She has no idea what he was going through, not going through, or, what was taking place in his life, let alone his mind.







[Edited 6/21/17 6:04am]

Agreed!

of course U would

If Wendy said Prince was great, you would disagree lol

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Reply #142 posted 06/21/17 11:58am

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leadline said:

She didn't know sh*t, for obvious reasons. Man you folks eat this stuff up sometimes, use some common sense. That is her opinion and speculation on why he passed, if that is what works for her, helps her through the healing process, that is great, but to take her paragraph and make it law, from someone who barely saw Prince post 88, just makes no sense. She has no idea what he was going through, not going through, or, what was taking place in his life, let alone his mind.







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Yeah, she talked within him and hung out with him, but you do know about Prince lol

U didn't even read it...

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Reply #143 posted 06/21/17 11:59am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

Agreed!

of course U would

If Wendy said Prince was great, you would disagree lol

True-dat!

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Reply #144 posted 06/21/17 12:06pm

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  • Judging from what we have been reading lately from Revolution members etc, it sounds like Prince was in off-and-on again phone (landline or borrowed cell phone) contact with the Revolution members since 2013. The discussion was probably just mostly reunion and chit-chatting probably. I think there was some tweeting and emailing as well. He probably contemplated a reunion after not agreeing to appear at the one for Bobby Z in 2012 (in P's defense, according to Bobby and his son, Prince visited the hospital and had Bobby perform with him in Paisley at some point afterwards).

  • Back on subject-- He probably strung them along a bit and eventually just chose to work with younger new musicians (3rdeyegirl) but still kept some communication open with Revolution. I imagine they were a bit frustrated with him over that. According to scottie Baldwin, PRince stated he didn't have "old friends". That might have been just his way of saying he didn't want to live in the past. But, Prince as we know, was a conflicted and complex man. Talking to the Revolution at all was him reconnecting with the past. ALso, what they didn't consider is that PRince fronting the Revolution would require him to basically be a singing, dancing bandleader again. Wendy would want to play the guitar parts (except for Prince's most known lead parts), Lisa would want the keys (except for PRince occassionally doing it). The band is too good and well known to use as just a backing band and they also older and more seasoned. PRince would be expected to perform in the same ways as he did in the Parade and Purple Rain tours. Physically, he was not up to it. (Watch his bandleading in the first two nights of the Montreux Jazz Festival 2013..he was charismatic as hell but he wasn't physically the Prince of the Revolution years). Lisa's argument might have been "So, what!! Its okay if you can't move like you used to" but still thats a lot of pressure to live up to. Prince with 3rdeyegirl could rely on his excellent guitar playing and keyboardist skills...he could be a predominant multi-instrumentalist. Prince on the Piano and Microphone tour could sit his tired ass down and play piano. He would't look like he was trying to capture old glory and failing at it. So the reluctance to reunite might not have just been emotional; it might have also been practical. (and it also could have been that he knew The Revolution consisted of strong opinionated individuals who he wasn't up to arguing with). But I do think he probably still thought of them as 'friends" in his own way. His calling Mark or mentioning Lisa and Wendy during the Piano and Microphone tour indicate a fondness for these people, even if his heart (and even body) wasn't into being their bandleader anymore. The thing about reuniting with old friends is that it can either glorify/rectify your past or taint it even further. What would happen if PRince reunited with the Revolution and they couldn't get along as a full unit again? Maybe he just wanted to treasure the good things about his past with them and not risk tensions and disagreements down the line--thus the reason, he honored the talents of W and L during his Piano and Microphone tour but kept his contact limited to silly phone pranks and hypothetical discussions. Lisa may have a point about Prince not wanting to be vulnerable by revisiting the past (but she is kind of ignoring the fact that if a reunion to many people would mean in some ways recreating the past..in physical ways that Prince wasn't capable of anymore ) His old friends were probably stressing his ass out. HIs young friends were probably like "whatever, just glad to be working and learning from Prince". His old friends might have been able to see his drug/health issues. HIs newer friends wouldn't see changes in behavior as easily.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

To all the people saying they don't know what they are talking about, they absolutely do.
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In reading this part from Lisa, I'm reminded of all the foolish doe eyed fans who were saying "Oh he looks just as young as he did in 1982" or "He just doesn't age, he never ages" blah blah blah
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I remember arguing with people who did not seem to understand that it has to be hard for entertainers like Prince(and others) whose look was a big part of their career, and holding him to certain high standards like that cannot be easy for him. Look at how people ripped him for growing out his hair, and the bald joke etc

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Yeah, Lisa knows what she is talking about "Nobody can live that way all the time. We can't hold these people to these extreme standards. Age happens ... "

For me there is a huge gap, of Prince's mindstate within the past two years or so and I dont think any member of the Revolution can answer to what that entailed. I sensed a lot of spiritual growth and consciousness, politically and personally, for which none of the Revolution members have spoken about to my knowledge and I am willing to stand corrected. As a fan, I have no place questioning Wendy or Lisa in being involved but there interaction could very well be surface talk, like old friends catching up, asking how are they kids, making plans about playing together, without getting too deep. Idk. What Lisa stated was true, but its a part of a long list of speculation as to why Prince's fate ended so suddenly.

I guess what I'm saying is the thing they can answer to, a part from what it was like to work with him and the creation of songs from that era, I dont think I can get from them.

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leadline said:

She didn't know sh*t, for obvious reasons. Man you folks eat this stuff up sometimes, use some common sense. That is her opinion and speculation on why he passed, if that is what works for her, helps her through the healing process, that is great, but to take her paragraph and make it law, from someone who barely saw Prince post 88, just makes no sense. She has no idea what he was going through, not going through, or, what was taking place in his life, let alone his mind.







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Yeah, she talked within him and hung out with him, but you do know about Prince lol

U didn't even read it...



Nice try, I get it, you love Wendy, and everything she says is gospel. I love her too, but I am more discerning.

Yeah I read it, and the quote below is what I am referencing. She states this as fact when indeed, it is baseless, she even going as far as to quote directly from Prince's mind, things she has no idea of whether he said or not. It is merely an opinion and speculation on her part.

If you cannot understand how her quote is a giant leap after barely seeing him since the revolution broke up, not sure what to tell ya.

ā€œPrince died because of keeping up his faƧade,ā€ she continues. ā€œNobody can live that way all the time. We canā€™t hold people to these extreme standards. Age happens and that doesnā€™t only mean the deterioration of your body, it also means the enhancement of your mind and your experience. You have so much more to give. Princeā€™s youth was spectacular, but imagine him as an old man and what heā€™d be able to impart. We lost that. Everybody who is ā€˜superhumanā€™ needs let people know, ā€˜Hey, Iā€™m a person, Iā€™m getting older, I get tired.' Say whatever they need to, because not doing so killed my friend.ā€


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ā€œPrince died because of keeping up his faƧade,ā€ she continues. ā€œNobody can live that way all the time. We canā€™t hold people to these extreme standards. Age happens and that doesnā€™t only mean the deterioration of your body, it also means the enhancement of your mind and your experience. You have so much more to give. Princeā€™s youth was spectacular, but imagine him as an old man and what heā€™d be able to impart. We lost that. Everybody who is ā€˜superhumanā€™ needs let people know, ā€˜Hey, Iā€™m a person, Iā€™m getting older, I get tired.' Say whatever they need to, because not doing so killed my friend.ā€


It amazes me that anyone would find that statement offensive or inappropriate. YES it's her opinion ā€” she was probably asked "Why do you think Prince died the way he did?" She's not reciting scientific facts or diaries of conversations she had. She's saying why she thinks things went down the way they did. There is nothing there that attacks Prince's integrity or implies knowledge of drug use or any other behavior other than knowing the guy worked his ass off all day and night.

If she answered, "I don't know. You should ask the people he surrounded himself with in 2016," you'd be bashing her for accusing someone else of being responsible.

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Reply #147 posted 06/21/17 12:43pm

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I see her point (especially about not asking for help in a youth-driven industry) but at the same the reunion they wanted with Prince was in fact in some ways revisiting his youth. To her, reunion might hve been more reflective (older folks revisiting their youth). To Prince, it might have been more pressure to live up to the past.

Also, the young folks Prince mentored and who worked under him would probably disagree about Prince never imparting wisdom as an elder statesman. But maybe the "We" she was talking about was the older audience in general. It sounds like they disagreed about how to age gracefully. Do you revisit the past but with an older man's perspective (which he did kind of do with the P and M tour--but I digress)? Or do you mentor the youth and keep progressing through them.

Doozer said:

ā€œPrince died because of keeping up his faƧade,ā€ she continues. ā€œNobody can live that way all the time. We canā€™t hold people to these extreme standards. Age happens and that doesnā€™t only mean the deterioration of your body, it also means the enhancement of your mind and your experience. You have so much more to give. Princeā€™s youth was spectacular, but imagine him as an old man and what heā€™d be able to impart. We lost that. Everybody who is ā€˜superhumanā€™ needs let people know, ā€˜Hey, Iā€™m a person, Iā€™m getting older, I get tired.' Say whatever they need to, because not doing so killed my friend.ā€


It amazes me that anyone would find that statement offensive or inappropriate. YES it's her opinion ā€” she was probably asked "Why do you think Prince died the way he did?" She's not reciting scientific facts or diaries of conversations she had. She's saying why she thinks things went down the way they did. There is nothing there that attacks Prince's integrity or implies knowledge of drug use or any other behavior other than knowing the guy worked his ass off all day and night.

If she answered, "I don't know. You should ask the people he surrounded himself with in 2016," you'd be bashing her for accusing someone else of being responsible.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

of course U would

If Wendy said Prince was great, you would disagree lol

True-dat!

Not true. But I WOULD be surprised. She doesn't seem to have much positive to say about him.

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Reply #149 posted 06/21/17 12:50pm

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Oh come on, is that entirely true? I haven't read everything she has ever said about him, but after he died, she has been mostly kind. She told the "Uncle Princey" story which was a cool way to let us know that he was cool with her wife giving birth to a kid. I have had issues with her trying to constantly get credit without always remembering that not everyone knows how prolific Prince was..but has she really been mean or disparaging about him on a personal level since his death??

paulludvig said:

JudasLChrist said:

True-dat!

Not true. But I WOULD be surprised. She doesn't seem to have much positive to say about him.

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