Graycap23 said:

Lol......White Horse sounds NOTHING like EC. Musically they are not the same.

I agree.I don't hear much of a resemblence at all.

as for that legendary P-Funk show that Prince attended in 1983,it's an incredible show.Thank God it's on CD!

I have that too, and indeed its awesome/badass. That version of the live Maggot Brain is worth it alone. Trickology hipped me to it back in the day.

SoulAlive said:

as for that legendary P-Funk show that Prince attended in 1983,it's an incredible show.Thank God it's on CD!

BartVanHemelen said:

BartVanHemelen said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Graycap23 said:

Lol......Whaite Horse sounds NOTHING like EC. Musically they are not the same.

Dude, they're fraternal twins. Mash-ups of the two show just how similar they are, indeed.

I'm going from memory.

I will get the studio later this week and create both.

I don't even think they u the same notes or keys.

I'll see soon enough.

rdhull said:

Latin said:

Here is Prince explaining what inspired the song: http://prince.org/msg/7/442054

I don't care what he "said"

Never heard of this band or song. Can totally see the resemblance...Of course, EC is way much better

Nope!

Genius of Love by the Tom Tom Club sounds like it was massively ripped off by Mariah Carey in her song 'Fantasy'.

As to influencing Erotic City, I doubt it. Prince is on record at George Clinton's induction in the RAR Hall of Fame, stating that 'Knee Deep' inspired Erotic City, in fact he said he heard people singing it in unison, went home and recorded 'Erotic City'.

He says it here, check it out from 01:30: https://www.youtube.com/w...bS2dIADcsg

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TheFreakerFantastic said:

Nope!

Genius of Love by the Tom Tom Club sounds like it was massively ripped off by Mariah Carey in her song 'Fantasy'.

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Sweet jebus, ever heard of sampling?

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As to influencing Erotic City, I doubt it. Prince is on record at George Clinton's induction in the RAR Hall of Fame, stating that 'Knee Deep' inspired Erotic City, in fact he said he heard people singing it in unison, went home and recorded 'Erotic City'.

He says it here, check it out from 01:30: https://www.youtube.com/w...bS2dIADcsg

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Prince said a lot of things that were BS.

^ Oh right Bart, so even if the horses' mouth says it you still deny it...JEEZ...you are out of touch!

So the whole way of book / academic research needs to change now because we can't believe what actual original sources who did the song say?!

As to Mariah's song, that is more than just sampling, that is bascially stealing the whole tune, even if it was with their permission!!! However, she probably should have made the credit more obvious as most people think this was hers!

Listen to it you can tell it's true.

Honestly you need to stop hating, I sometimes blame people like you for putting P in the grave (listen to the song Breakdown).

Btw i find it amusing your name is Van Hemelen which in your native tongue means 'from Heaven' lol.

For many fans i think you'd be better off called Bart Van Hell!

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Prince could have bullshitted being inspired by Parliament when he wrote "Erotic City," but then you'd have to overlook the pitch-adjusted vocals and the "fuck/funk" confusion, which are major George Clinton-isms. If the story is bullshit, why wouldn't Prince just mention any of the other songs in his catalogue that show a P-Funk influence (ie. "Strange Relationship," "La La La Hee Hee Hee," "Scarlet Pussy," "Pussy Control," "Housequake," etc.)? The whole Lovesexy/Spookyelectric dichotomy is influenced by "Starchild/Sir Nose," the Camille character has similarities to Sir Nose as well (the pitch adjusted alter ego).

I always thought the keyboard sound on "Space" was inspired by Mariah's - er - borrowing "Genius of Love" wholesale on "Fantasy," but "Space" was released a year earlier. Yet people accuse Prince of "following the trends" in the 1990s.

seems some could use some brushing up on their comprehension of the words 'inspire' and 'influence'...

tom tom club and talking heads are not the same band.

prince does not imply in his rnrhof induction of george clinton that he wanted to sound like the 'knee deep' performance, only that he was inspired to write 'erotic city' after witnessing it...what he says has nothing to do with what might have influenced the sound he wanted to achieve

wtf-ever....we've got all the various parts and musicians and songs. just dig it all. who cares?

mtlfan said:

Prince could have bullshitted being inspired by Parliament when he wrote "Erotic City," but then you'd have to overlook the pitch-adjusted vocals and the "fuck/funk" confusion, which are major George Clinton-isms.

and I adressed that

geezus yall cant read, don read the threads, or just want to be oppositional to basic facts

all because of sme prince ore or what prince said

Im ognna rock yalls world: There was no Nikki he met who was masturbating with a magazine in a hotel lobby and it was NOT "recorded somewhere very close to where you live." Unless you were in a fucked up neighborhood where the stuido was where he reocrded it

(now watch some purple zealot say it was recorded in his home and being near his home wasnt a fucked up neighborhod but a good one!)

And dont act like youre schooling anypone on Pfunk idioisms, sir nose, etc..the fuck you think we are? millenial newborns?

I love yall tho..yall my peeps down deep

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TheFreakerFantastic said:

Nope!

Genius of Love by the Tom Tom Club sounds like it was massively ripped off by Mariah Carey in her song 'Fantasy'.

Uh..are you going backwards here? Yes, Fantasy ripped TTC's song. What crooked soap box are you standing on to make this statement? This has nothing to do with the issue we are all debating lol

BartVanHemelen said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Nope!

Genius of Love by the Tom Tom Club sounds like it was massively ripped off by Mariah Carey in her song 'Fantasy'.

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Sweet jebus, ever heard of sampling?

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As to influencing Erotic City, I doubt it. Prince is on record at George Clinton's induction in the RAR Hall of Fame, stating that 'Knee Deep' inspired Erotic City, in fact he said he heard people singing it in unison, went home and recorded 'Erotic City'.

He says it here, check it out from 01:30: https://www.youtube.com/w...bS2dIADcsg

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Prince said a lot of things that were BS.

I AGREE WITH BART

A further review, I can see how folks say that EC was patterned after White Horse.

I played both bass lines in their original Key.

White Horse: A1, A1, E1, G1, A1, A1, E1, C1

EC: G#2, F#2, F#2,D#2........

If you play White Horse in EC key you get: G#2, G#2, D#2, B2, G#2, G#2, F#2

In other words, EC is White Horse in a different key played slightly diferent but basically the same notes only sharp.

Graycap23 said:

A further review, I can see how folks say that EC was patterned after White Horse.

I played both bass lines in their original Key.

White Horse: A1, A1, E1, G1, A1, A1, E1, C1

EC: G#2, F#2, F#2,D#2........

If you play White Horse in EC key you get: G#2, G#2, D#2, B2, G#2, G#2, F#2

In other words, EC is White Horse in a different key played slightly diferent but basically the same notes only sharp.

I told yall that in reply #25.

One day yall gonna learn to trust in me.

rdhull said:

Graycap23 said:

A further review, I can see how folks say that EC was patterned after White Horse.

I played both bass lines in their original Key.

White Horse: A1, A1, E1, G1, A1, A1, E1, C1

EC: G#2, F#2, F#2,D#2........

If you play White Horse in EC key you get: G#2, G#2, D#2, B2, G#2, G#2, F#2

In other words, EC is White Horse in a different key played slightly diferent but basically the same notes only sharp.

I told yall that in reply #25.

One day yall gonna learn to trust in me.

U had me on that one.

Tom Tom Club's Kid Ginseng, Tina Weymouth and Chris Frantz visiting the "Upper Room with Joe Kelley and Gi Dussault" on WVOF. Happy to have them as friends. They are ultra-funky and we were honored to have been at their home where they recorded Live At The Clubhouse.

Graycap23 said:

jaawwnn said:

Graycap23 said:

A further review, I can see how folks say that EC was patterned after White Horse.

I played both bass lines in their original Key.

White Horse: A1, A1, E1, G1, A1, A1, E1, C1

EC: G#2, F#2, F#2,D#2........

If you play White Horse in EC key you get: G#2, G#2, D#2, B2, G#2, G#2, F#2

In other words, EC is White Horse in a different key played slightly diferent but basically the same notes only sharp.

Well all that and they sound alike

They don't actually sound alike unless you change the original key and u play it differently.

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BartVanHemelen said:

Latin said:

Here is Prince explaining what inspired the song: http://prince.org/msg/7/442054

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And it's pure coincidence that it sounded like Laid Back's "White Horse" which was already a club hit. Sure.

Tell me, what's it like knowing everything, and being right all the time?

rap said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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And it's pure coincidence that it sounded like Laid Back's "White Horse" which was already a club hit. Sure.

Tell me, what's it like knowing everything, and being right all the time?

but aye..dont be goin at bart...we go way back me and him

Graycap23 said:

rdhull said:

dadeepop said:

Unrelated, but I think X's Face sounds like Low Rider by War.

daddy....Little Red Corvette sounds like Bette Davis Eyes by Kim Carnes

Genius of Love has a lot in common with the Paisley Park instrumental that floated around last year.

doesnt sound like white horse and if even if it did white horse was inspired by something and then that was and the list goes on..