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laurarichardson said: rogifan said: Maybe she was removed because she was in over her head or not the right person for the job? I don't get why everyone (including family) are under suspicion by (some) people yet Van and Phaedra are treated as pure as a fresh snowfall. What do we really know about either of them? Londell was once Prince's lawyer too. And someone a lot of people seem to have doubts about (Kirk) was probably closer to Prince than anyone. To be clear, I'm not suspicious about anyone in the inner circle. I'm just curious why some people seem to trust Van and Phaedra but nobody else. --Why are you suspicious of Pheadra and Van? They helped him broker a deal to get his masters back and we now know that Tidal had some agreement directly with Prince and I am sure that Phedra sent those files with his permission. Tidal would not be allowed to go forward with their claim and the music is still up on the site. Ask yourself why does the estate mars and corporate America want to control the administration of the Prince's music? Corporate America? WTH are you talking about?  Paisley Park is in your heart
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PurpleDiamonds1 said: laurarichardson said: --Why are you suspicious of Pheadra and Van? They helped him broker a deal to get his masters back and we now know that Tidal had some agreement directly with Prince and I am sure that Phedra sent those files with his permission. Tidal would not be allowed to go forward with their claim and the music is still up on the site. Ask yourself why does the estate mars and corporate America want to control the administration of the Prince's music? Let's not forget who called the Cali dr mess... Also Pheadra changed her linkedin to say she stopped working for P in 2015 if that is true she had no business calling in any unwanted Drs. Anyway back on trac I question what both Pheadra and Van know. If we're going to question people or be suspicious then it should include Van and Phaedra. I'm not sure why they get the benefit of the doubt and the assumption of best intentions but no one else does. Paisley Park is in your heart
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PurpleDiamonds1 said: Maybe she was in over her head and who ever told her to call the Cali Drs is the real issue... But If someone is guilty they would change things....My opinion...if Phaedra was innocent she would not have changed her linkedin and be hiding. [Edited 2/8/17 8:05am] Do we know if Phaedra was around at all after his passing? I know Van Jones was at PP right away, so was Londell, Kirk, Meron, Judith, Damaris etc. (see photos below). And of course Kirk is involved with PP museum...     Paisley Park is in your heart
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rogifan said: laurarichardson said: --Why are you suspicious of Pheadra and Van? They helped him broker a deal to get his masters back and we now know that Tidal had some agreement directly with Prince and I am sure that Phedra sent those files with his permission. Tidal would not be allowed to go forward with their claim and the music is still up on the site. Ask yourself why does the estate mars and corporate America want to control the administration of the Prince's music? Corporate America? WTH are you talking about? //Universal music who is acting as the admin for the publishing. The merchandising for products, and Spotify who are all corporations. Many of these functions were done in house. | |
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rogifan said: PurpleDiamonds1 said: Let's not forget who called the Cali dr mess... Also Pheadra changed her linkedin to say she stopped working for P in 2015 if that is true she had no business calling in any unwanted Drs. Anyway back on trac I question what both Pheadra and Van know. If we're going to question people or be suspicious then it should include Van and Phaedra. I'm not sure why they get the benefit of the doubt and the assumption of best intentions but no one else does. --Because their actions have not been suspicious and some things have come to light about other people. | |
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. I agree, re: Van Jones. I'm wondering, though, if Phaedra overstepped things a bit and her actions resulted in the release of *all* P's music onto Tidal....which was not the agreement they had with him. .
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rogifan said: PurpleDiamonds1 said: Maybe she was in over her head and who ever told her to call the Cali Drs is the real issue...
But If someone is guilty they would change things....My opinion...if Phaedra was innocent she would not have changed her linkedin and be hiding. [Edited 2/8/17 8:05am] Do we know if Phaedra was around at all after his passing? I know Van Jones was at PP right away, so was Londell, Kirk, Meron, Judith, Damaris etc. (see photos below). And of course Kirk is involved with PP museum... I don't recall hearing or seeing that she was at any of the events. Edited to remove pics due to space. [Edited 2/8/17 9:03am] | |
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Where did the rumor of the Vault material come from? I have not heard of this and I am curious now. | |
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Someone told me Demaris is related to Van. Is that true? Also, I think Van and Phaedra know a lot more than they have let on. JMO but ... | |
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I had read (I beleive in a RS article, would have to hunt for it) where P actually stated himself that there was more than one vault. | |
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I may be wrong but I think Phaedra is the lady in the far right picture (crying) that is with Damaris | |
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I may be wrong but I think Phaedra is the lady in the far right picture (crying) that is with Damaris Not sure. I have no idea what she looks like. [Edited 2/8/17 10:08am] Paisley Park is in your heart
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laurarichardson said: rogifan said: If we're going to question people or be suspicious then it should include Van and Phaedra. I'm not sure why they get the benefit of the doubt and the assumption of best intentions but no one else does. --Because their actions have not been suspicious and some things have come to light about other people. What actions of Kirk have been suspicious? Paisley Park is in your heart
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laurarichardson said: rogifan said: Corporate America? WTH are you talking about? //Universal music who is acting as the admin for the publishing. The merchandising for products, and Spotify who are all corporations. Many of these functions were done in house. There's a reason these corporations exist. They're not evil. Paisley Park is in your heart
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. I agree, re: Van Jones. I'm wondering, though, if Phaedra overstepped things a bit and her actions resulted in the release of *all* P's music onto Tidal....which was not the agreement they had with him. .
Tidal said they made payment and they have an agreement they are being allowed to go forward with their claim and the music is still on the site. I believe they have rights to stream Prince's catalogue but not exclusively. | |
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rogifan said: laurarichardson said: //Universal music who is acting as the admin for the publishing. The merchandising for products, and Spotify who are all corporations. Many of these functions were done in house. There's a reason these corporations exist. They're not evil. --I never said they were. Prince was about entreputnership which has nothing to do with giving away revenue. | |
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rogifan said: laurarichardson said: --Because their actions have not been suspicious and some things have come to light about other people. What actions of Kirk have been suspicious? --When he went out a got an attorney who specializes in cases concerning Rx abuse. | |
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This could be Phaedra. It looks like her. | |
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According to Van Jones' Instagram, she is Van's goddaughter. There are photos of Demaris. I am here! Where R U?! Gotta broken heart again... | |
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Are you sure.See the article below about selling off the NPG catalogue to the highest bidder.
https://www.ft.com/content/b0244118-ed9c-11e6-930f-061b01e23655 Prince’s music catalogue set for digital showcaseReturn of albums to streaming sites to coincide with Grammy Awards on Sunday Read next
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by: Anna Nicolaou in New York Prince’s estate is gearing up to unleash his music catalogue to Spotify and other digital music platforms this weekend, bringing one of music’s highest-profile holdouts back to streaming services at a time when they are helping the industry reverse its long sales slide. Sample the FT’s top stories for a week
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Invalid email By signing up you confirm that you have read and agree to the terms and conditions, cookie policy and privacy policy. Music companies and Spotify are planning a splashy marketing campaign to debut the return of hit albums such as “Purple Rain” to streaming sites, almost two years after the late musician pulled his music from most online services. Prince’s songs are set to return to Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon, Deezer and other sites around the time of the Grammy Awards on Sunday, which is expected to pay tribute to the late musician, according to people familiar with the plans. Warner Music holds the licensing rights to the majority of Prince’s hit songs recorded before 1996, through a deal the singer-songwriter struck with its Warner Bros label in 2014. The rest of his music, including his albums after 1996 and unreleased songs, are being auctioned off by Prince’s estate, with offers in the range of $40m to $50m, said one person familiar with the matter. The three major labels, Vivendi-owned Universal Music, Sony Music and Warner are vying for the coveted catalogue. “It’s a very hot auction,” one executive said. Copies of the British newspaper The Mail on Sunday are seen on 15 July 2007 with the album Planet Earth by Prince © AFPCharles Koppelman, an administrator of Prince’s estate, declined to comment. Spotify also declined to comment, although the company has put up purple billboards in New York subway stations, prompting speculation of Prince’s return. Prince, one of the most successful pop stars of his generation, had clashed for decades with record labels, and later digital music companies, as he sought to fiercely protect his work. In 2015 he pulled his music from Spotify and other streaming sites except for Tidal, the company led by Jay Z. “Spotify wasn’t paying, so you gotta to shut it down,” he said at the time. Other big stars have also hit out at sites such as Spotify and YouTube, which offer music for free — notably Taylor Swift, who pulled all her songs from Spotify in 2014. Her work has still not returned to the service. A picture taken on July 22, 2010 in Paris shows issues of French weekly newspaper Courrier International distributed with Prince's album 20Ten for free © AFPHowever, the record labels and some artists have warmed to streaming as more people sign up for access to 30m songs on services like Spotify and Apple Music. Sales from digital streaming grew more than 50 per cent last year, powering revenue growth at the big music companies, which receive royalty payments each time their songs are streamed. Some analysts say the growth in streaming will drive a turnround for the industry after more than a decade of falling album sales. Prince’s contract with Warner Bros expired in 1996, after which he released several albums using his own label and experimented with selling music directly to fans through his website. In 2014, he re-signed with Warner and regained ownership of his catalogue, leaving the music label in prime position to benefit from his music becoming more available online. Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2017. All rights reserved. You may share using our article tools. Please don't cut articles from FT.com and redistribute by email or post to the web.
I know that all of the sibs have to agree before any sale can take place and it seems that Tyka and Omarr are not in agreement with the others so maybe this will not happen. The family would be stupid to sell they will whip throught that money quickly instead of having intellectual property they can sell for generations.
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There are some photos out of Pheadra but I have yet to have anyone tell me why she and Van are suspicious.
The very thing that Tyka and Omarr complained about in the court papers continues. [Edited 2/8/17 11:11am] | |
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If you see the article about NPG catalouge in a bidding war you know who is responsible for that and the leak to the media.laurarichardson said:
There are some photos out of Pheadra but I have yet to have anyone tell me why she and Van are suspicious.
The very thing that Tyka and Omarr complained about in the court papers continues. [Edited 2/8/17 11:11am] Your link to that is a subscription page ...is it LM? | |
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laurarichardson said: rogifan said: What actions of Kirk have been suspicious? --When he went out a got an attorney who specializes in cases concerning Rx abuse. Being that he was Prince's right hand man (and Paisley Park property manager) for all these years that isn't surprising to me. Getting an attorney isn't an admission of guilt. Plus he's still involved with Paisley Park now and is often there greeting fans taking tours. Paisley Park is in your heart
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Put up the whole article and yes I think this is LM doing. | |
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Here's a picture of Phaedra. The 2 look alike, but there appears to be an age difference here. Of course, I don't know when the Wikipeadia pic was taken.
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It is your world. You are looking at two people who are not even involved with the estate as suspicious but ignoring people who traveled with him and were around on a day to day basis and one who went out and got a attorney who specializes in Rx abuse cases. Why not just an ordinary criminal attorney?
You got LM who claims the was Prince's best buddy who wants to sell all of the music off and get a 10% percent commission for himself and nothing seems off to you. | |
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Put up the whole article and yes I think this is LM doing. Thanks! suspicious people there are a few, all with the common year 2014. Along with WB. This question may have been brought up before...but currently Prince still owns his masters or does WB due to the 2014 Licensing agreement? Due to his death does this mean WB, the Estate, or NPG have control of the songs he recorded while with WB? IMO this is why Van an Phaedra seem suspicious. They were also involved in the WB deal/signing in 2014. [Edited 2/8/17 12:04pm] | |
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PurpleDiamonds1 said: laurarichardson said:
Put up the whole article and yes I think this is LM doing. Thanks! suspicious people there are a few, all with the common year 2014. Along with WB. This question may have been brought up before...but currently Prince still owns his masters or does WB due to the 2014 Licensing agreement? Due to his death does this mean WB, the Estate, or NPG have control of the songs he recorded while with WB? IMO this is why Van an Phaedra seem suspicious. They were also involved in the WB deal/signing in 2014. [Edited 2/8/17 12:04pm] I think from what I am reading he owns the masters but was in some sort of partnership concerning the licensing of the music. Perhaps he realized he needed WB help getting the songs in T.V, Commercials on soundtracks. Unfortunatly, this is the reason the music is going on streaming sites however, if it is a partnership the estate would still have a say and get fees. I suspect the NPG is wholly controlled by Prince and the estate do not feel it valuable to license out or maybe because it is tied up with Tidal. I cannot understand why the family would want to sell everything I can see selling real estate, clothes, instruments, even Paisly Park but why sell your intellectual property? This almost songs like something out of the 1950's. [Edited 2/8/17 12:21pm] | |
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