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What does "redacted" mean here? Stuff that is not supposed to be public?
http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/CIOMediaLibrary/Documents/Final-Accounting-Through-11-30-16.pdf | |
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Yes, redacted means exactly what you said above. Something the Estate doesnt want the public to know.
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Prince's Estate is said to be near accords needed to stream hit records.
Apple and Spotify are mentioned.
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In The filed document it lists the PP address as "homestead". Does that mean that's where Prince was living? Paisley Park is in your heart
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lwr001 said:
i would say a paradigm shift mid to late 2014...starting with the grammy appearance in orange..then various pictures ..knew in trouble with how he was looking at NYE party getting off plane last year in St. barts..that wasnt the prince we knew..also, wthe AMA awarding the weeknd Grammy awards was 2015. Personally I thought he looked fine up until the end of 2015. There are other times in his career when he was super skinny but he didn't have the big fro to make it stand out even more. Paisley Park is in your heart
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Lovejunky said:
Thanks for that Support Mumio....Interesting huh ?
Mind you Im not bothered one way or the other.. I KNOW what I Know...and am now getting quite used to being called out ..I excpect it in fact
Mind you...Rogifan was very nice about it... Ha,that's why I usually stay out of the gossip/overdose threads. Don't care for the rumors and cryptic messages.   Paisley Park is in your heart
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laytonian said: laurarichardson said: The plane was not a medical transport ambulance it was a private plane owned by Lifetime Fitness. You realize this is a court document if expenses were for a plane ride it would say plane ride. I hope you are not serious with rest of what you typed Yes, Dr S was the doctor bringing the medical test to Paisly that was alredy known. Regardless of plane ownership, the aircraft emergency landing and ground expenses could be written off FOR TAX REASONS as medically-incurred costs. What I am saying about Dr S is that HE was likely the mystery doctor who cleared his schedule that day. I know he delivered tests. -/No,before the search warrant was sealed Dr.S was listed as being at Paisley Park along with another doctor who showed up after he was found. You realize that there is a line on this sheet for transportation expenses. [Edited 1/7/17 6:43am] | |
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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:
I cant remember where, but the documents stated it was only listing property in MN.
Then my question is, if the real estate listed is only for Mn, does that mean the 61K in medical expenses is inherent to only Mn as well? And if so, do you think that is for Dr. K & Dr. S? Thanks! | |
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The medical expenses listed are for all outstanding medical debts whether in MN or elsewhere. I dont know if some of the medical debts are for Dr. K and Dr. S because they do not list the individual medical expenses on the Accounting. Real property is handled differently than debts. The Estate will file in the individual states/countries where other real property is owned by P in order to put them on the market and/or transfer deeds. | |
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"I would say that Prince's top thirty percent is great. Of that thirty percent, I'll bet the public has heard twenty percent of it." - Susan Rogers, "Hunting for Prince's Vault", BBC, 2015 |
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laurarichardson said: laytonian said: Regardless of plane ownership, the aircraft emergency landing and ground expenses could be written off FOR TAX REASONS as medically-incurred costs. What I am saying about Dr S is that HE was likely the mystery doctor who cleared his schedule that day. I know he delivered tests. -/No,before the search warrant was sealed Dr.S was listed as being at Paisley Park along with another doctor who showed up after he was found. You realize that there is a line on this sheet for transportation expenses. [Edited 1/7/17 6:43am] Yes, I do But this is all about taxes and accounting. There's a promoter of the concert involved. In your own business, how do you handle those expenses? I'm not here to argue but I own a small business, I have an accountant and I've been in similar situations and had the accountant shift things around strategically. [Edited 1/7/17 10:50am] Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me. |
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laytonian said: laurarichardson said: -/No,before the search warrant was sealed Dr.S was listed as being at Paisley Park along with another doctor who showed up after he was found. You realize that there is a line on this sheet for transportation expenses. [Edited 1/7/17 6:43am] Yes, I do But this is all about taxes and accounting. There's a promoter of the concert involved. In your own business, how do you handle those expenses? I'm not here to argue but I own a small business, I have an accountant and I've been in similar situations and had the accountant shift things around strategically. [Edited 1/7/17 10:50am] --I do not think you would be allowed to put the plane waiting as a medical expense. I would think any transportation he paid for performing would be listed as transportation for business and would be written off as a business expense. The plane downtime had nothing to do with his medical issues. These forms are for showing his assets and debts. Those medical expenses are for cost incurred for things like drugs (legally), medical equiptment, Doctor fees, office visits, and any medical treatments. | |
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I was looking over the documents again today and it does seem according to these lists, that there may be a problem with the ownership of WB masters:
Exhibit 2 is a list of "Copyrights in Master Recordings (See Attached Exhibit 2, confirmed titles to date)." This list does not have any of the WB titles. It only starts from Emancipation. Exhibit 3, which is the longer, far more complete list of songs Prince wrote, is copyrights for the compositions themselves, not the master recordings. "Copyrights in Compositions (Sec Attached Exhibit 3) "
Possibly the term used in Exhibit 2" confirmed titles to date" could indicate the WB Masters may be still in question/being contested? Seems very strange as we know this was such an important victory for Prince and it's hard to imagine this was in any way unsettled. Unless... now Im thinking back to the announcemnt of the WB deal back in 2014. There were many issues involved in this and lots of details unclear at the time, as it was all linked into the complex issue of copyright expiration /ownership reversion and the copyright revision act of 1976. Prince and WB did this deal to avoid an expensive legal battle which would have been testing out the implications of this act. It was unclear as part of the deal if Prince would regain ownership of the master recordings for all WB titles at once, or one by one as the 35year mark passed for each of his albums. Either way, given his earliest albums (78-81) aren't on this current list of master recordings he owns, something must be up. This billboard article is one of many and outlines the deal and wider context. | |
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lunabelle said:
I was looking over the documents again today and it does seem according to these lists, that there may be a problem with the ownership of WB masters:
Exhibit 2 is a list of "Copyrights in Master Recordings (See Attached Exhibit 2, confirmed titles to date)." This list does not have any of the WB titles. It only starts from Emancipation. Exhibit 3, which is the longer, far more complete list of songs Prince wrote, is copyrights for the compositions themselves, not the master recordings. "Copyrights in Compositions (Sec Attached Exhibit 3) "
Possibly the term used in Exhibit 2" confirmed titles to date" could indicate the WB Masters may be still in question/being contested? Seems very strange as we know this was such an important victory for Prince and it's hard to imagine this was in any way unsettled. Unless... now Im thinking back to the announcemnt of the WB deal back in 2014. There were many issues involved in this and lots of details unclear at the time, as it was all linked into the complex issue of copyright expiration /ownership reversion and the copyright revision act of 1976. Prince and WB did this deal to avoid an expensive legal battle which would have been testing out the implications of this act. It was unclear as part of the deal if Prince would regain ownership of the master recordings for all WB titles at once, or one by one as the 35year mark passed for each of his albums. Either way, given his earliest albums (78-81) aren't on this current list of master recordings he owns, something must be up. This billboard article is one of many and outlines the deal and wider context. http://www.billboard.com/...bum-coming He owns them if he did not WB would not have let his announcement go out and you would see the WB material on all of the streaming platforms by this time. I do believe Dave the engineer was correct about WB having their own vault of stuff that Prince turned in that WB never released. Not sure if he got that stuff back as a part of the deal. | |
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laurarichardson said: laytonian said: Yes, I do But this is all about taxes and accounting. There's a promoter of the concert involved. In your own business, how do you handle those expenses? I'm not here to argue but I own a small business, I have an accountant and I've been in similar situations and had the accountant shift things around strategically. [Edited 1/7/17 10:50am] --I do not think you would be allowed to put the plane waiting as a medical expense. I would think any transportation he paid for performing would be listed as transportation for business and would be written off as a business expense. The plane downtime had nothing to do with his medical issues. These forms are for showing his assets and debts. Those medical expenses are for cost incurred for things like drugs (legally), medical equiptment, Doctor fees, office visits, and any medical treatments. I'm going to tend to agree with you given what we know so far. Maybe he went through some serious test at Moline or that Wednesday, like MRIs and CTs because even with the hospital stay, blood test, and prescriptions, unless there were a couple of big time specialist involved that's a lot of money for 2 separate days worth of testing and paramedic servces. If that is right, then damn medical care is expensive. | |
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Thank you Candace It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN | |
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morningsong said: laurarichardson said: --I do not think you would be allowed to put the plane waiting as a medical expense. I would think any transportation he paid for performing would be listed as transportation for business and would be written off as a business expense. The plane downtime had nothing to do with his medical issues. These forms are for showing his assets and debts. Those medical expenses are for cost incurred for things like drugs (legally), medical equiptment, Doctor fees, office visits, and any medical treatments. I'm going to tend to agree with you given what we know so far. Maybe he went through some serious test at Moline or that Wednesday, like MRIs and CTs because even with the hospital stay, blood test, and prescriptions, unless there were a couple of big time specialist involved that's a lot of money for 2 separate days worth of testing and paramedic servces. If that is right, then damn medical care is expensive. --I hate to think that this was some sort of cancer treatment.I only say that because it can be very expensive and the cancer can go away and come back. | |
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We know he was sick at least a month before he passed. He was treated before the first atlanta show was cancelled. Treated in Moline, including EMT. Treated after Moline and treated the day before he passed. All of those bills probably weren't invoiced until after his death and it is completely reasonable that they would add up to over $60K. I'm sure much of the stuff done for him was top of the line and also rush priority was given to the test. I think we are probably making too much of the bills being related to something else the more that I think about it. He started getting ill due to the opioids and was getting treatment for it. Whether there was some other underlying illness, is another conversation but probably not the source of these bills. | |
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donnyenglish said: We know he was sick at least a month before he passed. He was treated before the first atlanta show was cancelled. Treated in Moline, including EMT. Treated after Moline and treated the day before he passed. All of those bills probably weren't invoiced until after his death and it is completely reasonable that they would add up to over $60K. I'm sure much of the stuff done for him was top of the line and also rush priority was given to the test. I think we are probably making too much of the bills being related to something else the more that I think about it. He started getting ill due to the opioids and was getting treatment for it. Whether there was some other underlying illness, is another conversation but probably not the source of these bills. Do we know that for sure (sorry don't follow the overdose thread)? Paisley Park is in your heart
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morningsong said:[quote] laurarichardson said: --I do not think you would be allowed to put the plane waiting as a medical expense. I would think any transportation he paid for performing would be listed as transportation for business and would be written off as a business expense. The plane downtime had nothing to do with his medical issues. These forms are for showing his assets and debts. Those medical expenses are for cost incurred for things like drugs (legally), medical equiptment, Doctor fees, office visits, and any medical treatments. goofed [Edited 1/8/17 11:38am] | |
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donnyenglish said: We know he was sick at least a month before he passed. He was treated before the first atlanta show was cancelled. Treated in Moline, including EMT. Treated after Moline and treated the day before he passed. All of those bills probably weren't invoiced until after his death and it is completely reasonable that they would add up to over $60K. I'm sure much of the stuff done for him was top of the line and also rush priority was given to the test. I think we are probably making too much of the bills being related to something else the more that I think about it. He started getting ill due to the opioids and was getting treatment for it. Whether there was some other underlying illness, is another conversation but probably not the source of these bills. I used to do medical billing for a hospital a while ago and even then it added up very quickly but that was hospital stays where people got operations, had lengthy stays, used all kinds of machines and saw specialist. Even at $10K per day stay not including testing and Drs fees, $61K is still a lot given what we know. He wasn't in a facility for addiction, he'd have to visit a dr. a lot even at $5K a pop in a month. Remember no prescriptions for controlled substances in MN so how expensive could any prescriptions he had be while he was at home? And he didn't have a private personal Dr. as far as we know. | |
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morningsong said: donnyenglish said: We know he was sick at least a month before he passed. He was treated before the first atlanta show was cancelled. Treated in Moline, including EMT. Treated after Moline and treated the day before he passed. All of those bills probably weren't invoiced until after his death and it is completely reasonable that they would add up to over $60K. I'm sure much of the stuff done for him was top of the line and also rush priority was given to the test. I think we are probably making too much of the bills being related to something else the more that I think about it. He started getting ill due to the opioids and was getting treatment for it. Whether there was some other underlying illness, is another conversation but probably not the source of these bills. I used to do medical billing for a hospital a while ago and even then it added up very quickly but that was hospital stays where people got operations, had lengthy stays, used all kinds of machines and saw specialist. Even at $10K per day stay not including testing and Drs fees, $61K is still a lot given what we know. He wasn't in a facility for addiction, he'd have to visit a dr. a lot even at $5K a pop in a month. Remember no prescriptions for controlled substances in MN so how expensive could any prescriptions he had be while he was at home? And he didn't have a private personal Dr. as far as we know. This last illness expense is very interesting to say the least. I've had 10 spine surgeries and only saw that kind of number from the neurosurgeon. I'm sorry but there is no way the small incidents we know about to Dr and ER produced these kinds of figures. Can't exactly list "Chemotherapy" expenses can they? It's was they didn't say that speaks volumes to me. People can tell me how stupid I am all they want i.don't care anymore. Something was wromg with him outside the medication issue. | |
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Sorry to speculate but come on guys let's use our brains here. We are smart folks on this board. Just a little food for thought.... "The cost of cancer drugs can range from as little as $100 a month to as much as $65,000 a month for some newer medications, according to Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center. | |
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Mkilpatrick74 said: Sorry to speculate but come on guys let's use our brains here. We are smart folks on this board. Just a little food for thought.... "The cost of cancer drugs can range from as little as $100 a month to as much as $65,000 a month for some newer medications, according to Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center. Chomp on this for a bit.... The costs for chemotherapy can vary as well, with some estimates as high as $30,000 over an eight-week period. The average cost for an initial treatment is approximately $7,000. Expenses differ depending on the drugs, the stage of the cancer and other factors specific to each patient.Sep 27, 2016 | |
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donnyenglish said: We know he was sick at least a month before he passed. He was treated before the first atlanta show was cancelled. Treated in Moline, including EMT. Treated after Moline and treated the day before he passed. All of those bills probably weren't invoiced until after his death and it is completely reasonable that they would add up to over $60K. I'm sure much of the stuff done for him was top of the line and also rush priority was given to the test. I think we are probably making too much of the bills being related to something else the more that I think about it. He started getting ill due to the opioids and was getting treatment for it. Whether there was some other underlying illness, is another conversation but probably not the source of these bills. ---- No the amount of this bill and the fact that associates keep saying we don't know the whole story. | |
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Mkilpatrick74 said: Sorry to speculate but come on guys let's use our brains here. We are smart folks on this board.
Just a little food for thought.... "The cost of cancer drugs can range from as little as $100 a month to as much as $65,000 a month for some newer medications, according to Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center. We are all smart some us are just in denial. [Edited 1/8/17 14:53pm] | |
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laurarichardson said: Mkilpatrick74 said: Sorry to speculate but come on guys let's use our brains here. We are smart folks on this board. Just a little food for thought.... "The cost of cancer drugs can range from as little as $100 a month to as much as $65,000 a month for some newer medications, according to Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center. We are all smart so us just in denial. They can say im.in denial all they want. We are getting close to the truth. I'm gonna just sit back and watch it unfold. It will come out eventually | |
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Speculating about prevaricating about speculating... and so on and so forth. Rinse and repeat and then some more. (I have an image in my head of someone performing endless cartwheels).
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This thread basically
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