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Thread started 11/10/16 8:47pm

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Discussing The Vault - Part 3

Continue discussion here.......


Part 1 -http://prince.org/msg/7/428557


Part 2 - http://prince.org/msg/7/431786

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Reply #1 posted 11/11/16 7:22am

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Continue discussion here.......


Part 1 -http://prince.org/msg/7/428557


Part 2 - http://prince.org/msg/7/431786


Off topic, sorry, but why are topics being broken into several parts? (Especially when Part 2 of this topic was only 2 pages anyway.) I find it rather annoying, tbh.

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KaresB said:

luv4u said:

Continue discussion here.......


Part 1 -http://prince.org/msg/7/428557


Part 2 - http://prince.org/msg/7/431786


Off topic, sorry, but why are topics being broken into several parts? (Especially when Part 2 of this topic was only 2 pages anyway.) I find it rather annoying, tbh.

Part 1 and 2 self locked .....confused

So had to create a Part 3 so peeps could continue the discussion and the links to Part 1 and 2 are posted for anyone to have a look at if they wish confused

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Reply #3 posted 11/11/16 2:51pm

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Reply #4 posted 11/21/16 6:41am

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My thoughts?


lol And I agree!! Bring us more than ML, y'all !! Hopefully the PR re-release will have some good stuff on it. Thinking positivite! yes

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Reply #5 posted 11/21/16 6:59am

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During Tyka's AMA acceptance speech last night, she stated "984 songs and counting." On the other hand, Prince has stated he had "thousands" of songs written.

To me, the 984 number sounds low...perhaps she was referring only to released songs?

The "A-Z Song List" on Princevault.com lists just over 1300 songs, with this statement at the top: "This list includes all songs known to be written by Prince (regardless of official credits, and/or whether a studio recording is known to exist)."

Of course, the real question always is, how many of the songs were recorded and will someday be released?! wink

"I would say that Prince's top thirty percent is great. Of that thirty percent, I'll bet the public has heard twenty percent of it." - Susan Rogers, "Hunting for Prince's Vault", BBC, 2015
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Reply #6 posted 11/21/16 7:17pm

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During Tyka's AMA acceptance speech last night, she stated "984 songs and counting." On the other hand, Prince has stated he had "thousands" of songs written.

To me, the 984 number sounds low...perhaps she was referring only to released songs?

The "A-Z Song List" on Princevault.com lists just over 1300 songs, with this statement at the top: "This list includes all songs known to be written by Prince (regardless of official credits, and/or whether a studio recording is known to exist)."

Of course, the real question always is, how many of the songs were recorded and will someday be released?! wink

Although I have no idea what the total number of songs is, Tyka's AMA comment about "984 songs and counting" intimates that she and her siblings plan to release previously unreleased songs in the future, likely found in the vault at PP.

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Reply #7 posted 11/21/16 9:09pm

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Although I have no idea what the total number of songs is, Tyka's AMA comment about "984 songs and counting" intimates that she and her siblings plan to release previously unreleased songs in the future, likely found in the vault at PP.


I pray they will do that!! She said previously that they would be releasing stuff. Maybe they are overwhelmed at the amount of material he had lying around, lol!

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Reply #8 posted 11/22/16 8:51am

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I also wonder how many tracks are in raw, demo form. How many are just jams to get the music recorded for later work.

How could we break the Vault down? Completed albums, completed tracks, demos jams, etc.

I have no inner knowledge of the Vault or its contents. I can only imagine if there are 1,300 tracks (from the A-Z list), plus concert recordings (then I would assume soundchecks, after shows, parties), that is an overwhelming amount of material.

Was all this recorded on tapes? I have read from various people here on the org, that tapes have to be baked (?). Is this process expensive?

Not only is the Estate pressed to cover taxes due soon, but to preserve, catalogue the Vault would be a great financial undertaking.

I am all for hearing the material, but my opinion, it should be released as is the day of Prince's passing. I do not want to hear others inputs on tracks to either complete them, embellish them and so forth.

I am cool with listening to an uncompleted track by Prince.

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Reply #9 posted 11/22/16 4:09pm

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also you have the concept that rehearsals and live recordings can became official studio versions eg. Purple Rain, Nothing Compares 2 U (Hits version), Databank (Prince version unreleased) etc etc. It will be intersesting to see if 'they' attempt to turn live tracks into 'studio' tracks or just release the live stuff as complete shows/rehearsals a la Hendrix or Miles Davis. We may never get to hear that live cut that Prince was planning to clean up and release on an album. Hopefully there is enough finished studio material to last for a while yet. Also will the studio version of Purple Rain ever see the light of day? (i'm sure there is one), or the early version of Baby I'm a Star, Feel U Up, the piano stuff he did to basically sketch out song ideas. there is so much more than just finished songs - we hope there is someone capable enough to make hard decisions about the demos/early versions/rehearsal/live stuff/re-recordings and updates to songs that were worked on from time to time (what version to release?). what about the prince versions of songs he gave to other acts (I personally would just like them released with the other vault stuff as unheard prince songs -- what about Do Yourself a Favor that is basically a cover version - would they releae that?

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Reply #10 posted 11/23/16 4:46am

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Sure there will be expensive 3 cd box sets but they have to put up something similar to NPGMC and just reslease as much as possible, everything from finished unreleased albums to different configurations of all his albums. Prince said he has several vaults so who knows how much music there actually is. I think around 2000 songs is a good eastimate of whats in the vault

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Reply #11 posted 11/23/16 5:52am

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Sure there will be expensive 3 cd box sets but they have to put up something similar to NPGMC and just reslease as much as possible, everything from finished unreleased albums to different configurations of all his albums. Prince said he has several vaults so who knows how much music there actually is. I think around 2000 songs is a good eastimate of whats in the vault

I agree, but first, the Estate needs to get Prince more mainstream, particularly the younger generations. I think Prince 4Ever is a start at that attempt. Once Prince's music is more visible to a larger audience, then the 3 disc or live stuff can be released.

Naturally, us die hards will by it. But the music cannot oversaturate the market. Demos would be good as second discs for remasters. After releasing remasters, a live cd/blu-ray concert could be released to capture that era. Someone mentioned an anthology release, which could capture the in between items.

Want to get rid of Tidal and WB, created a Paisley Park with low membership fees, stream and download the rehearsals, outtakes, covers, so forth. Tie that site with discounts to the PP musuem for merchandise and tickets.

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Reply #12 posted 11/23/16 12:36pm

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It's interesting to note that he gained his rights to his archival music, so the Estate can release anything and everything in the Vault if it so choses.

"But after savvy legal maneuvering, he owns the rights to all of his vast collections of hits, including archival music that Prince fans have been longing to hear for decades. Prince also gained control of the publishing rights to his compositions and has performance rights - which means he completely controls his own musical destiny."

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/the-juice/6266664/prince-talks-tech-talent-his-own-slice-of-musical-heaven

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Reply #13 posted 11/27/16 6:43pm

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It's interesting to note that he gained his rights to his archival music, so the Estate can release anything and everything in the Vault if it so choses.

"But after savvy legal maneuvering, he owns the rights to all of his vast collections of hits, including archival music that Prince fans have been longing to hear for decades. Prince also gained control of the publishing rights to his compositions and has performance rights - which means he completely controls his own musical destiny."

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/the-juice/6266664/prince-talks-tech-talent-his-own-slice-of-musical-heaven


cool cool cool

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Reply #14 posted 11/29/16 2:46pm

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I'm worried about the sound quality of the vault content. Do I want it? Of course. Is the material going to really spread like I feel it should. Not so hopeful.
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Reply #15 posted 11/29/16 6:20pm

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MIRvmn said:

Sure there will be expensive 3 cd box sets but they have to put up something similar to NPGMC and just reslease as much as possible, everything from finished unreleased albums to different configurations of all his albums. Prince said he has several vaults so who knows how much music there actually is. I think around 2000 songs is a good eastimate of whats in the vault


Agreed. It won't be profitable to make physical releases of the stuff aimed at the hardcore fans. Just set up a streaming service. Or better yet, avoid the headache of setting up and maintaining the infrastructure by letting Tidal or whoever pay the estate for the right to stream it.

"I would say that Prince's top thirty percent is great. Of that thirty percent, I'll bet the public has heard twenty percent of it." - Susan Rogers, "Hunting for Prince's Vault", BBC, 2015
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Reply #16 posted 12/13/16 6:43am

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It's upsetting to be waiting around is this setup for the younglings he keeps mentioned in the lasted interviews its in restraints and paper do turn colors n ink fades and the tapes do get sucked together and if they release it will be an calmness n love Always All The Time Imm With U Ure With Me Ure With Me!!!!! cry hmm bawl
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Reply #17 posted 12/19/16 10:06pm

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Inside Prince's Vault

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJQkDE3Mln0

Never seen this before. Is it part of something longer?

I wonder if it's increased in size since then as it is looking pretty full.

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Reply #18 posted 12/20/16 6:20am

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Inside Prince's Vault

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJQkDE3Mln0

Never seen this before. Is it part of something longer?

I wonder if it's increased in size since then as it is looking pretty full.

It looked full in the video. Perhaps that explains Prince's comments on there is more than 1 vault? Very nice to see this video. Thanks.

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Reply #19 posted 12/20/16 3:23pm

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New stuff, what I want.

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Reply #20 posted 12/20/16 4:41pm

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rap said:

Inside Prince's Vault

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJQkDE3Mln0

Never seen this before. Is it part of something longer?

I wonder if it's increased in size since then as it is looking pretty full.

It looked full in the video. Perhaps that explains Prince's comments on there is more than 1 vault? Very nice to see this video. Thanks.

I believe Prince said himself there's more than one. That video is circa 1993.

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Reply #21 posted 12/20/16 4:44pm

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Chronic Freeze told me in an orgnote that it is cavernous.

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Reply #22 posted 12/27/16 12:03pm

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Chronic Freeze told me in an orgnote that it is cavernous.

Interesting, thanks for the information. I wonder how organized, if at all, the Vault was.

The additional vaults that were mentioned, I wonder were the locations were. It would seem a little troublesome to have multiple vaults in different locations, unless Prince had a "runner" to go to the vaults for tracks or items that Prince wanted to work on.

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Reply #23 posted 01/05/17 11:05am

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Having listened to the leaked "Larrabee Sessions" a strong case could be made for NOT releasing everything in the vault, some stuff deserves to remain banished...

[Edited 1/5/17 15:14pm]

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Reply #24 posted 01/06/17 6:11am

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Having listened to the leaked "Larrabee Sessions" a strong case could be made for NOT releasing everything in the vault, some stuff deserves to remain banished...

[Edited 1/5/17 15:14pm]

I agree with you in not releasing everything. I am sure there are a lot of unfinished tracks, perhaps monotonous rehearsals, etc that may no be of interest to the casual fan and possibly hardcore fans. Pure speculation.

I have not heard the sessions you are referring to, but I wonder if Prince recorded everything to tinker with at a later time or just to catch the mood.

I would like to hear items in the Vault, I am very interested in the contents and hopefully, 1 day, a list of the contents will be available to satisfy my curiousity.

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nelcp777 said:

rap said:

Chronic Freeze told me in an orgnote that it is cavernous.

Interesting, thanks for the information. I wonder how organized, if at all, the Vault was.

The additional vaults that were mentioned, I wonder were the locations were. It would seem a little troublesome to have multiple vaults in different locations, unless Prince had a "runner" to go to the vaults for tracks or items that Prince wanted to work on.



https://youtu.be/CJQkDE3Mln0?t=42s

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Reply #26 posted 01/06/17 4:15pm

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rap said:


Chronic Freeze told me in an orgnote that it is cavernous.



Interesting, thanks for the information. I wonder how organized, if at all, the Vault was.



The additional vaults that were mentioned, I wonder were the locations were. It would seem a little troublesome to have multiple vaults in different locations, unless Prince had a "runner" to go to the vaults for tracks or items that Prince wanted to work on.


Took a tour of PP a couple of weeks ago. The guide showed us a hidden room behind a false wall in Prince's video editing room. She said it was discovered when they were setting up the museum and the blueprints didn't match the room.
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Reply #27 posted 01/06/17 10:45pm

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So what do y'all think about the "NPG Masters" and song (track?) list in the official inventory filed with the court? (Go to the link down below and scroll down about halfway to see it)

What is the song they list as titled "$" ?

What is "03 BONNIE AND CLYDE" ? [OK, figured out its a Jay Z track with Prince listed as one of the many writers, but Princevault.com doesn't list it and far as I can gather it was just a sample]

What is "5 FOOT CITY" ? [This is a Da 5 Footaz track that sampled Erotic City]

Where is "All My Dreams" ?

What is "ARE U WID IT?" ? [M Doc track that sampled IWBYL...I see a trend here, but I'm not sure why these songs are listed on this inventory? Maybe because there are royalties coming in due to using the samples?]

Etc. etc. etc.... After comparing to the list on princevault.com, I had those questions and more after looking at only the first page of the inventory!!

http://www.mncourts.gov/m...entory.pdf


Edits: Added info in red.

[Edited 1/8/17 7:04am]

"I would say that Prince's top thirty percent is great. Of that thirty percent, I'll bet the public has heard twenty percent of it." - Susan Rogers, "Hunting for Prince's Vault", BBC, 2015
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CandaceS said:

So what do y'all think about the "NPG Masters" and song (track?) list in the official inventory filed with the court? (Go to the link down below and scroll down about halfway to see it)

What is the song they list as titled "$" ?

What is "03 BONNIE AND CLYDE" ?

What is "5 FOOT CITY" ?

Where is "All My Dreams" ?

What is "ARE U WID IT?" ?

Etc. etc. etc.... After comparing to the list on princevault.com, I had those questions and more after looking at only the first page of the inventory!!

http://www.mncourts.gov/m...entory.pdf

Well $ is from MPLSound album, but some of the listed songs are new to me. Most intriguing sounding to me is "Kitchen, Surgery, FaceOff"!!!

What I don't know is how this fits into the vault. Is this everything that was in the vault?

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Reply #29 posted 01/07/17 10:11am

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funkyfine said:

CandaceS said:

So what do y'all think about the "NPG Masters" and song (track?) list in the official inventory filed with the court? (Go to the link down below and scroll down about halfway to see it)

What is the song they list as titled "$" ?

What is "03 BONNIE AND CLYDE" ?

What is "5 FOOT CITY" ?

Where is "All My Dreams" ?

What is "ARE U WID IT?" ?

Etc. etc. etc.... After comparing to the list on princevault.com, I had those questions and more after looking at only the first page of the inventory!!

http://www.mncourts.gov/m...entory.pdf

Well $ is from MPLSound album, but some of the listed songs are new to me. Most intriguing sounding to me is "Kitchen, Surgery, FaceOff"!!!

What I don't know is how this fits into the vault. Is this everything that was in the vault?


Presumably this is what they have found (so far at least) while going through the vault. I didn't see anything stating that they were finished inventorying, or if it is still ongoing.

Just as curious to me is the absence of certain things from their inventory. Songs that are well-known or on princevault.com are not on their inventory. (Perhaps because the inventory is not finished?) Also, there's a list of "NPG Masters", but where are all the masters from the WB years? We've been told that he took posession of them.

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