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PrintableI agree with that.the roadhouse project didn't come to be because of that "love's the only drug we do in here"-Prince | |
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No it does not because he never had lyrics about those topics and he called it the love gun. If you think he was doing a standard gangster thing with the typhoo hairdo and the clothes he was wearing you don't know much about gangster rap. In fact there was nothing gangster about Tony M. To me he was a MC Hammer Clone who also sold millions of records back then. | |
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It wasn't gangsta in a N.W.A type way no but his desire to reconnect with his black audience caused him to go back and forth as far with the stance he had taken in 87 with the whole Lovesexy phase. Tony may have helped opened some teens of the 90's up to Prince's music but his run with prince was just that.the whole mc hammer/c&c music factory type rapper was old news by the time Tony entered the camp
[Edited 11/2/16 18:16pm] [Edited 11/2/16 18:17pm] [Edited 11/2/16 18:20pm] "love's the only drug we do in here"-Prince | |
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No it was not old news it was still going on at the time. | |
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Good Gawd!
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Most prince fans(black) wasn't diggin it "love's the only drug we do in here"-Prince | |
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or much of anything else after the "do me baby" era..
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Most were crazy about Do me baby then came Erotic city, the Purple Rain movie experience and then he dropped ATWIAD and most blacks not exposed to the whole psychedelic era of the late 60's were scratching their heads and went on to other artists like Keith sweat(just an example) who took the sex symbol image and ran with it and most of Prince's black audience. [Edited 11/2/16 20:00pm] "love's the only drug we do in here"-Prince | |
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Mountains was a Lisa Coleman composition, I don't think she got the credit on that one...
His 80s crew could have taken Prince into the 90s with a mature direction that we were seeign in 1985 86 87. He wouldn't have had to pander to what he thought he needed to change, because as we see that season of music changed and not age well. Some great times and music though. but stuff like some grunge and some other styles Prince & the Revolution were doing in the 1982-1986 years
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I agree one hundred percent just like U2, the Stones etc. prince had enough talent around him already with their maturing sound they could have taken it well into the 90's. The one man band label was intact crediting the players wouldve solved alot of the problems as time went on [Edited 11/2/16 21:09pm] "love's the only drug we do in here"-Prince | |
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I hear you..
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paulludvig said: SOTT was not a W&L/Revolution album. That's a myth. There's some minor contributions from W&L, but really very little, and nothing in the song writing departement. I know that SOTT "grew out of" the Dream Factory sessions, but the songs that W&L contributed to did not make the cut.  | |
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I just looked up the parade album on Prince Vault. it states that she and Wendy wrote Mountains (mostly LIsa it seems) with Prince's help, but it states the songs was credited to Prince and the Revolution. Girls and Boys/anotherloverholeenthehead were both written by Prince but were also originally credited to Prince and the Revolution. It seems like most of the album was done that way. So, he shortchanged himself on certain songs as well. I would want credit too if I were Lisa but the songwriting credit is vague on most of the songs (according to that site).
What did Rosie write? I am assuming it was on Diamonds and Pearls?
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yes that was an issue, but those people were not different than the people who wanted him to continue PR II There definately were many African-American fans who loved PR ATWIAD & Parade(looking at the Detriot Birthday show shows that) But if Prince continued doing Do Me Baby, he would have been so mediocre... But this was an album that also head Sexuality Annie Christian Ronnie Talk 2 Russia Jack U Off, so I don't know why any latter music was a problem . I remember a quote by Prince (I think it was 1979) when his sound live started going more rock... people were complaining then and he said "I warned you on the last album I was going that way" something like that... He was refering to I'm Yours
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At that point during Parade giving songwriting credits to the rightful creator wouldn't have changed any opinions us fans had about prince and his role as the boss. The mazarati kiss episode was kinda ok in the fact that it was a prince creation from the start Lisa and Rosie probably were upset about any royalties they missed out on.i doubt DF would have been credited to W&L either. "love's the only drug we do in here"-Prince | |
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. I don't need any help with my "reading skills," thanks though. . I asked what you THINK - not what you said. I was FURTHERING the conversation, or at least attempting to. . Your implication is that Prince was somehow improving his commercial standing by including a lame rapper in his music. You also implied that it is somehow commendable that he catered to business pressures by including said rapper. Yes, those were your implications.
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. Utilizing my reading skills, as you suggested I brush up on, I have detected another implication that you consider Tony M an essential component in Prince's commerical success in the early '90s. . "Also sold"? In other words, suggesting that both Tony M and Hammer sold millions. . Hammer, yes. Tony M, however, was not necessary for D&P and the 'symbol' album to sell what they sold. | |
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It is interesting to listen to Prince's original Kiss demo, to the Mazarati version and then the finally released version
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Yeah, Prince's final version kills Mazarati's. | |
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Does it really? I didn't have the heart to listen to Mazarati's version. I just love the song so much. I would rather think it is a "Prince" song entirely. I am glad to hear that his final version also reveals his talent.
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Ah i'm being unfair. Compared to the demo they pretty much made the whole song but, to these ears, it drags a little - Prince's final touches make it magic. In fairness to them I don't know if they were actually finished when Prince took it back. | |
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That is far to say.. prince heard where he could actually take the song and make it what it is today. It's cool that he left mazarati's vocals in the song. in a weird way I guess you could say they kinda co produced that song [Edited 11/3/16 16:21pm] "love's the only drug we do in here"-Prince | |
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Yep the completed version.
It seems like they were still working on it, as far as the vocal rendition is concerned... | |
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true, along with David Z
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kiss may have got buried on their second release had prince not rescued it "love's the only drug we do in here"-Prince | |
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I think Prince defined the PRINCE sound when he was with the revolution. [Edited 11/3/16 18:08pm] | |
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OldFriends4Sale said:
Yeah, I've read from people who say the look and style never matter that it was always only about the music. And my reply is, then you don't know Prince, because the look and style always went hand in hand with the music. I bored of the suites worn mostly in the 2000s and was happy he returned to more outrageous and futurist yet 1700's and Victorian styles. . Yep hip in the 80s and then the 90s it wasn't hip, but the change of times from 80s 2 the 90s was a visually weird time at times for Prince. . I don't think he could have easily found another band(s)of that style though. Because people(we all are) too unique. Plus Prince had started listening to too many people outside of his camp and critics and I think it affected a lot of the music and vision. Funny though, nothing about the 87 88 89 period was 'RnB' route. It was still very much a Purple Music thing. GB if the band didn't split, would have been a 'Lovesexy' extension. I still wonder what that movie would have been like with the original players involved.
Yep the era's evolved and changed album to album, but always had a connection to the previous, in the 80s. the 90s was a whole new vibe and I would say 1991-1994 meshed together. The Gold experience took on a whole new thing. Emancipation NPS had a mellower look. I loved the Rave look but the music was so so...
Yea, The Revolutions were cool and had a unique guality. Even If he did choose to find another band with their style, the challenge would have been for him to find the level of chemistry he shared with the Rev's. He had to start all over developing the bond it would take to gel well together with another band after they left. I think he struggled with that. He made NPG his own in the long run though. I don't think you could jam the way they did without some kind of chemistry, and as a visual they did give Prince that bad ass band look I think he was aiming for. If I was good at posting pics, I would post one of his pics with NPG where just looking at them, you know they would kick your butt musically, lol. Love that top pic with Wendy. She was on fire!! Lol [Edited 11/4/16 4:55am] | |
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By 87 prince was doing an entirely different thing(purple music)as far as what urban radio was playing.his songs stood out among the list of black acts during that time and there were the ones whose influence from prince was apparent. Adore and if I was your girl friend are beloved among most black casual listeners but most only heard prince music from what singles were released to radio. PRINCE'S FAN BASE IS MASSIVE the SOTT and Lovesexy tours proved that. Musicial tastes and the industry changes. they did before prince and during his career [Edited 11/3/16 19:18pm] "love's the only drug we do in here"-Prince | |
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. Utilizing my reading skills, as you suggested I brush up on, I have detected another implication that you consider Tony M an essential component in Prince's commerical success in the early '90s. . "Also sold"? In other words, suggesting that both Tony M and Hammer sold millions. . Hammer, yes. Tony M, however, was not necessary for D&P and the 'symbol' album to sell what they sold. --/ Like I said work on your skills. I never said Tony M sold millions. MC Hammer sold millions and Prince was trying to get some of that money. It is called show business for a reason. | |
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He was a star that made millions and in 92 was pretty much still financially stable I'm guessing. The Hammer song "Pray" was cleared by prince so he obviously knew who hammer was prince through the years always said he never listened to anything current that wasn't his(yes he mentioned a few singers and bands).prince was known for his mixed messages in the media. So if not for financial reasons prince's decision to incorporate rap was simply a way to stay relevant in a changing industry.
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