Mumio said:

oliviacamron said:

Mumio said: I know they were WRONG about one thing but I don't know. I don't go on there much because I'm always here

They are wrong about many things but the purpose of that page is to create constant chaos, worry, anger, and mayhem. Other people who post here have been banned from that page for trying to correct incorrect information the owner is passing along as "truth" to people. The owner of the page deletes posts and bans if you continue to try to change the storyline they want to feed the fans. I've had posts deleted but haven't been banned....yet. I also think the owner culls information from the org and posts here too.

Yes that is what I was hearing on one of the threads a while ago. LOL Olivia ya gotta learn to

behave and not cause trouble and disruption in the camp!!

NotACleverName said:

Dibblekins said:

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I applaud your efforts at being rude in a roundabout way - but, as you can see, the lyrics originally written by Mr Withers are NOT the ones subsequently utilised by Prince. Similar, but not the same - and the resultant inference thereof is very different.

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That's not to say you / TMO are wrong, but to say that my transcription of the lyrics is '(il)logical' is illogical in itself, because the transcription is accurate. A similarly accurate interpretation of those lyrics is tricky, however - probably exactly as Prince intended...
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Well, Dibblekins, you are inferring something within my text. I was simply letting tmo1965 know that a differing opinion is not going to be considered or received in the way that was intended. And, yes, it is a lost cause. I'll explain why. I have noticed that when a particular article is noted by the conspiracy theorists, with the intent to "support" claims of someone/thing apparently "out to get/murder Prince" & that is disputed (with a link, no less) it is either ignored or refuted with a "personal" opinion. Or, "I'll see if I can find it" & nothing is ever found to support a statement. This has happened time & time again. I have also asked for sources to show that the sec sys was OFF during the critical time on the eve/morn of this illicit activity (mentioned multiple times to further the agenda of murder) & none have been provided. Why not? I have asked this before & will pose the ques again: what is the point of all this detective work? Subtly accusing family, friends &/or associates of questionable activity (I feel this is right on the precipice of slander). What is the outcome you hope to achieve by posting the same thing over & over on multiple threads? You know what, people are going to believe whatever they want/find things that aren't there, but, sometimes things just are what they are...there is no hidden agenda, no ulterior motive.

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I don't think I've posted things multiple times on multiple threads...
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I've also been very careful not to accuse anyone of ANYTHING - because I absolutely have no answers or definite opinions. I merely transcribed the lyrics and pointed out the subtle differences between the two versions.
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Perhaps you are using 'you' more generally?
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zenarose said:

Nooriginalusername said:

Dibblekins said:

Dibblekins said:

NotACleverName said:

zenarose said:

You asked a question about the CCTV being off. Someone replied tp you in Reply # 137. There was a statement issued by the CCSO stating that they would review any video. If there are other links that you need let me know and I will be happy to help you find them.

While I thank you for the reply, this is what I have gleaned - "Hearsay, friend of a friend previously worked at PP, cannot verify".....where is the news source? What footage is the CCSO going to review if the gossip/rumor indicates it was off? See where I am going with this? I simply think ppl need to tread very lightly regarding their opinions, that's all.

I have read both there was video and there was not. It is confuzzing, so I get what you're saying.

There are articles where P stated himself that they were running PP without security. And then you

have CCSO saying they will review video. I think everyone is looking for the truth, resolution.

Nothing fits in this case. We discuss and research and share what we find and discuss some more.

Just know there is no malice intended.

NotACleverName said:

Dibblekins said:

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I don't think I've posted things multiple times on multiple threads...
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I've also been very careful not to accuse anyone of ANYTHING - because I absolutely have no answers or definite opinions. I merely transcribed the lyrics and pointed out the subtle differences between the two versions.
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Perhaps you are using 'you' more generally?
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Multiple is more than one. There were posts on the "death" thread and this thread regarding the video of Bill Wither's song. Ok....why didn't you start a new thread about, for instance, "Name songs Prince changes the lyrics on"? Why create speculation about that specific video with those specific lyrics? To further a narrative of strife? Only you know your intentions. Perhaps I am using "you" too liberally...will name names from this point forward.

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Actually, you are doing me a disservice. I didn't mention the song on another thread - I mentioned it HERE, as something that struck me as curious (because, guess what, this thread is titled 'Prince Curiosities') - and it was subsequently mentioned by someone else on the other thread. I then responded to that person's comment, nothing more. Do feel free to check, if you like. You like facts - so how about you get yours straight?
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zenarose said:

oliviacamron said:

Nooriginalusername said:

I listened over 7 times then I sent it to a friend who has the ability to pull the vocals out from the music. He is definitely using Withers' lyrics, just inserted Kirk in for "brother". Stop the witch hunt on KJ, if there is foul play, every one is missing the clues because they are clearly so hyperfocused on Kirk. I can't imagine how grieved Prince would be to read all the allegations and suspicions against his closest friend. Kirk was closer to than any sibling, family member or other employee. I know we're all hurting and desperately want answers but its disturbing to see how easily people are to jump into full assumption and persecution mode against a man. And I seriously doubt Judith or any woman was using Prince- like he said "You play me, you play yourself" He was nobody's fool.

I already admitted I made a mistake

Actually I wasn't even referring to you-I was just speaking about people in general. We have to give each other a lot of grace-we're all confused and hurting. So many grasping at straws just to make sense of it all.

We are glad to have you here. Just state what you think the same as all of us. Many minds are surely

better that one.

Dibblekins said:

NotACleverName said:

Dibblekins said:

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Actually, you are doing me a disservice. I didn't mention the song on another thread - I mentioned it HERE, as something that struck me as curious - and it was subsequently mentioned by someone else on the other thread. I then responded to that person's comment, nothing more. Do feel free to check, if you like. You like facts - so how about you get yours straight?
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My facts are straight (you're correct, I do love them!). I did read both threads. Is there a reason your attitude has gotten defensive? Perhaps I hit a nerve regarding the intent of calling out the specific video post....and the further discussion on the other thread? Again, only you know your intentions.

If I seem 'defensive' it's because I sense I am being accused of something which is not based in FACT, yes.
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Your facts are NOT straight in this instance. I did not post about the wretched song on the other thread, aside from replying to another poster who read about it in THIS THREAD, and wanted to talk about it there too.
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Here is the evidence, exhibit A for your viewing pleasure (my apologies, Olivia - I am only posting this here, to demonstrate the FACTS of the matter, seeing as there is clearly some confusion on the part of 'NotACleverName'):

oliviacamron said:

Go to the Prince curiosity and conspiracys thread. Dibblekins posted a YouTube video from Prince tour Piano and microphone March in Toronto. In the clip, at ten minutes and 30 seconds in(10:30) Prince starts singing in creepy voice" YOU KNOW YOU LEFT ME". Then Prince says Kirk's name singing about a conflict they are having!!!!!

.My reply was:

The song is called 'Use Me' - and P's take on the lyrics is very interesting...


As I said, I posted about the song on only THIS thread, as it is entitled 'curiosities'. I have been very meticulous about not saying anything rude or inflammatory - unless using the words, 'odd', 'curious', or 'interesting' are somehow cause for contention?

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Dibblekins said:

NotACleverName said:

Dibblekins said:

.My reply was:

The song is called 'Use Me' - and P's take on the lyrics is very interesting...


As I said, I posted about the song on only THIS thread, as it is entitled 'curiosities'. I have been very meticulous about not saying anything rude or inflammatory - unless using the words, 'odd', 'curious', or 'interesting' are somehow cause for contention?

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I am going to say this and then will no longer go tit for tat with you over this issue. You DID post about this video on multiple threads....regardless if olivia brought it up! Two threads, two discussions about the same post. I am thoroughly confused why you can't see that?! Ok, fine, you posted a video of Prince, from his P&M tour, changing the lyrics of a song by calling out Kirk as a minor curiosity. A song that talks about questionable behavior of someone that is being "used". On a thread that includes nothing but speculation about motive/manner on who could have played a malicious role in Prince's death. Got it.

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I'm glad you won't be going tit for tat - because you're, quite simply, wrong.
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I made my post in ONE THREAD, an EXISTING thread. No, I didn't start a new one (why would I start a new thread for something which fitted so perfectly into a thread called 'Prince Curiosities'?) I can guarantee the mods would have moved it here - because I had termed it an oddity / curiosity / something 'interesting' at the very outset)! In fact, if you actually read my original post on the topic, the ONLY adjective I used was the word, 'odd'.
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I did not initiate a discussion in multiple threads - hence my 'not seeing it'. I initiated a discussion in ONE THREAD - the most apt thread available for the post. If another person wants to share the content of that post elsewhere, that is entirely up to them. Having done so, and referring to me by name, I then did that poster the courtesy of responding, using one short sentence (probably fewer than ten words).

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Not once have I suggested anything about motive or manner, or anything other than the curious fact that Prince altered the original lyrics (which are in themselves quite interesting, thematically) to refer to someone by name - rather unusual so far as I am aware. The fact that he did that piqued my curiosity - hence my posting it here...The fact that YOU think my sharing this curiosity is somehow malicious says a lot more about you than it does me.

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Next time I'll come to you and get permission before posting - just in case I've chosen the wrong thread, or feel the need to reply to someone who mentions my name, or to avoid being misconstrued. Can't say fairer than that, can I?

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Given that P was into candles, incense, meditation, etc...I wonder if he ever tried massage therapy or accupuncture or chiropractics for his pain.

If Prince was in a dispute with KJ, why was KJ on the plane which landed in Moline? Prince never had any problem dismissing any person from his life, be it a musician, janitor or wife. If KJ had to be gone, he would have been.

who was the "jubilant judas" prince allegedly referred to.

1Sasha said:

If Prince was in a dispute with KJ, why was KJ on the plane which landed in Moline? Prince never had any problem dismissing any person from his life, be it a musician, janitor or wife. If KJ had to be gone, he would have been.

After what TN said on Today, I think she and the family know exactly what happened #/21. I think KJ was involved somehow and I think P knew and or was complicit. Wasn't KJ at the the official family tribute? I think KJ made the call to TN where she said, "A PP called to say 2 words...He's gone", I also think the family might be protecting KJ...and I think P would be in agreement with that.

I have no proof....lust a feeling that I have in the pit of my stomach. I'm done persuing it cuz I have a feeling that this was possibly more P's orchestration than any "foul play". I'm not saying suicide, but...

LBrent said:

1Sasha said:

If Prince was in a dispute with KJ, why was KJ on the plane which landed in Moline? Prince never had any problem dismissing any person from his life, be it a musician, janitor or wife. If KJ had to be gone, he would have been.

After what TN said on Today, I think she and the family know exactly what happened #/21. I think KJ was involved somehow and I think P knew and or was complicit. Wasn't KJ at the the official family tribute? I think KJ made the call to TN where she said, "A PP called to say 2 words...He's gone", I also think the family might be protecting KJ...and I think P would be in agreement with that.

I have no proof....lust a feeling that I have in the pit of my stomach. I'm done persuing it cuz I have a feeling that this was possibly more P's orchestration than any "foul play". I'm not saying suicide, but...

"He's Gone"?? ....... bike riding......out to lunch... to visit a friend....???? There's lots of room for interpretation. "Gone" can mean many things, not just death. The whole situation baffles me. We have been told so many different things and none of it makes sense. For every yea there is a nay. I can't say that I know how any certain person would think or feel about losing Prince. All I can tell you is how I, on the outside looking in, would feel so I don't want to judge. There are just too many questions that are unanswered and that causes minds to wander whether we want them to or not. There is no closure so there is no acceptance and there is no peace or healing. Everyone is searching for the truth. We may not be blood related to Prince but he has been in our lives and in our hearts for so many years. We have loved him and accepted him for who he was and what he stood for. He IS our family too. I don't believe that he had a drug addiction. I don't believe that he committed suicide. Past that there has been nothing other than various news stories that lead us in circles and without VERIFICATION of whom is giving the information. Just "sources close to". And then the statement that TN made..... well it doesn't fit with what the investigation is supposedly telling us. How is she going to know 2 years in advance that Prince is going to die from "an accidental Fentanyl overdose"?? I'm just asking. There is something else going on here and we all know it, we just don't know what. P's orchestration....it's as much a possibilty as anything else. Right now everything needs to be considered.

LBrent said:

1Sasha said:

If Prince was in a dispute with KJ, why was KJ on the plane which landed in Moline? Prince never had any problem dismissing any person from his life, be it a musician, janitor or wife. If KJ had to be gone, he would have been.

After what TN said on Today, I think she and the family know exactly what happened #/21. I think KJ was involved somehow and I think P knew and or was complicit. Wasn't KJ at the the official family tribute? I think KJ made the call to TN where she said, "A PP called to say 2 words...He's gone", I also think the family might be protecting KJ...and I think P would be in agreement with that.

I have no proof....lust a feeling that I have in the pit of my stomach. I'm done persuing it cuz I have a feeling that this was possibly more P's orchestration than any "foul play". I'm not saying suicide, but...

LBrent, I agree that the family has embraced KJ. One of my relatives, who lived there until about four months ago, said the talk in town had turned from accidental to deliberate. They couldn't reconcile the "facts" that were leaking out . If we had the autopsy report, then I believe everything would become clearer, if not clear.

honestly, we haven't really been told so many different things. If we are careful about the weight we give to information based on its source (both the person quoted, and the media outlet(s) it appears in), and we're willing to accept that there is some natural discrepancies that humans make when they are recounting things (e.g., they may not have noted the exact minute they arrived at a location, and just made an estimate), then the pieces line up reasonably well. Most of the holes aren't due to distrepancies but simply info that hasn't been made public at all (and may never be).

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The word "gone," that Tyka noted, is one example. The person's intonation of that can make a huge difference in how the listener perceives its meaning, we since we don't have a recording of the call, we don't know what that intonation was. Plus P had nearly died a couple days earlier, so there was likely some anxiety around those close to him about his physical state anyway.

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6 months after the fact, I don't believe "everything has to be considered." We can use the info we have, and our deductive reasoning, to eliminate various scenarios and settle on one general scenario, even if we don't know every last detail. Some of us have already done that.

zenarose said:

LBrent said:

After what TN said on Today, I think she and the family know exactly what happened #/21. I think KJ was involved somehow and I think P knew and or was complicit. Wasn't KJ at the the official family tribute? I think KJ made the call to TN where she said, "A PP called to say 2 words...He's gone", I also think the family might be protecting KJ...and I think P would be in agreement with that.

I have no proof....lust a feeling that I have in the pit of my stomach. I'm done persuing it cuz I have a feeling that this was possibly more P's orchestration than any "foul play". I'm not saying suicide, but...

"He's Gone"?? ....... bike riding......out to lunch... to visit a friend....???? There's lots of room for interpretation. "Gone" can mean many things, not just death. The whole situation baffles me. We have been told so many different things and none of it makes sense. For every yea there is a nay. I can't say that I know how any certain person would think or feel about losing Prince. All I can tell you is how I, on the outside looking in, would feel so I don't want to judge. There are just too many questions that are unanswered and that causes minds to wander whether we want them to or not. There is no closure so there is no acceptance and there is no peace or healing. Everyone is searching for the truth. We may not be blood related to Prince but he has been in our lives and in our hearts for so many years. We have loved him and accepted him for who he was and what he stood for. He IS our family too. I don't believe that he had a drug addiction. I don't believe that he committed suicide. Past that there has been nothing other than various news stories that lead us in circles and without VERIFICATION of whom is giving the information. Just "sources close to". And then the statement that TN made..... well it doesn't fit with what the investigation is supposedly telling us. How is she going to know 2 years in advance that Prince is going to die from "an accidental Fentanyl overdose"?? I'm just asking. There is something else going on here and we all know it, we just don't know what. P's orchestration....it's as much a possibilty as anything else. Right now everything needs to be considered.

1Sasha said:

LBrent said:

After what TN said on Today, I think she and the family know exactly what happened #/21. I think KJ was involved somehow and I think P knew and or was complicit. Wasn't KJ at the the official family tribute? I think KJ made the call to TN where she said, "A PP called to say 2 words...He's gone", I also think the family might be protecting KJ...and I think P would be in agreement with that.

I have no proof....lust a feeling that I have in the pit of my stomach. I'm done persuing it cuz I have a feeling that this was possibly more P's orchestration than any "foul play". I'm not saying suicide, but...

LBrent, I agree that the family has embraced KJ. One of my relatives, who lived there until about four months ago, said the talk in town had turned from accidental to deliberate. They couldn't reconcile the "facts" that were leaking out . If we had the autopsy report, then I believe everything would become clearer, if not clear.

I also think the family does not appear to hold Kirk responsible for anything to do with Prince's passing. Tyka intended for people to understand her words with the comments she made on ET without violating his privacy. There are people who are so wrapped up in their own theories and ideas they aren't seeing what is right in front of them. ILLusion has CONfused people...no surprise really, is there?

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1Sasha said:

disch said:

honestly, we haven't really been told so many different things. If we are careful about the weight we give to information based on its source (both the person quoted, and the media outlet(s) it appears in), and we're willing to accept that there is some natural discrepancies that humans make when they are recounting things (e.g., they may not have noted the exact minute they arrived at a location, and just made an estimate), then the pieces line up reasonably well. Most of the holes aren't due to distrepancies but simply info that hasn't been made public at all (and may never be).

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The word "gone," that Tyka noted, is one example. The person's intonation of that can make a huge difference in how the listener perceives its meaning, we since we don't have a recording of the call, we don't know what that intonation was. Plus P had nearly died a couple days earlier, so there was likely some anxiety around those close to him about his physical state anyway.

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6 months after the fact, I don't believe "everything has to be considered." We can use the info we have, and our deductive reasoning, to eliminate various scenarios and settle on one general scenario, even if we don't know every last detail. Some of us have already done that.

zenarose said:

"He's Gone"?? ....... bike riding......out to lunch... to visit a friend....???? There's lots of room for interpretation. "Gone" can mean many things, not just death. The whole situation baffles me. We have been told so many different things and none of it makes sense. For every yea there is a nay. I can't say that I know how any certain person would think or feel about losing Prince. All I can tell you is how I, on the outside looking in, would feel so I don't want to judge. There are just too many questions that are unanswered and that causes minds to wander whether we want them to or not. There is no closure so there is no acceptance and there is no peace or healing. Everyone is searching for the truth. We may not be blood related to Prince but he has been in our lives and in our hearts for so many years. We have loved him and accepted him for who he was and what he stood for. He IS our family too. I don't believe that he had a drug addiction. I don't believe that he committed suicide. Past that there has been nothing other than various news stories that lead us in circles and without VERIFICATION of whom is giving the information. Just "sources close to". And then the statement that TN made..... well it doesn't fit with what the investigation is supposedly telling us. How is she going to know 2 years in advance that Prince is going to die from "an accidental Fentanyl overdose"?? I'm just asking. There is something else going on here and we all know it, we just don't know what. P's orchestration....it's as much a possibilty as anything else. Right now everything needs to be considered.

DISCH: You know that we have done so much research and had many great discussions. I consider you a rock. Maybe this whole thing is as "simple" as suicide or drug addiction. We have even discussed terminal illness to organ failure. I have been honest from the start in saying that after all the years of hearing P speak out against drugs, it is very hard for me to be able to see a drug abuser, but could understand a dependency on pain meds. I cannot believe suicide because P was devout in his belief in his religion. You are right when you say that things have been reported. You have knowledge as to how news agencies work. I don't question your integrity. You have provided much information to us with links. I have been fair and balanced in my search also. A few weeks ago, I started to see other things that have caused me to look at more aspects. It could be due to the fact that we still know nothing for sure except the ME's Official Media Release. That in itself can be taken in a few different ways. In all honesty I just do not see P buying illegal drugs. I can't rake that to the side. Maybe P's death is simple. and maybe it's right in front of our faces. There are those of us who have still yet to make up our minds what happened. There are those of us that have made up our minds that we have no dout about what happened.

I look to you and your opinion because you do not judge and you are constructive not destructive.

As for me, I am undecided as to what occurred. I accept that there are those who have decided and have no issues with them. One would think that after 6 mos., things would get easier. But for some it's still 4/21/2016.

precioux said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Well, the story about the security being turned off has changed several times, since this all happened. I think it was the National Enquirer who said there was "footage", but I think their story was all B.S.

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Several "unknown" sources said the security system was turned-off, and also that Prince's assistant (I can't think of her name), was responsible for setting-up an intervention for Prince the next day. Now, we don't know if that is true either, because Prince already had an appointment with a holistic doctor on that day and his regular doctor was bringing him results from his blood tests.

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Sherriff Olson stated on 4/22 that they had pulled surveillance footage (that this was "normal protocol")and were going to be looking at it...I just can't figure out how to post the link.

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Yea, what Sheriff Olson said.....Hmmm. I don't know what to believe. First, they had footage, then they said the security system was turned OFF. What are we to believe?

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National Enquirer ran with the story of video footage and they did that sick reinactment of Prince slumped over in the elevator. They really stooped to an all-time low with that one!!!!

precioux said:

cloveringold85 said:

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TMZ are the leaders in the dumbing down of Americans! Nothing they say is credible. It's always an "unnamed" source.

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TMZ knows what's going down, because obviously there is someone who is in cahoots with them, and feeding them all of this information.

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This is the generation of misinformation and disinformation.

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Tmz is in cahoots with someone...they're OWNED BY WARNER BROTHERS

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Yup....Warn A Brother!!

oliviacamron said:

Mumio said:

That is the worst fear-mongering, shit-slinging Facebook page ever. You should be glad you were banned, whoever owns that page thrives on upsetting fans and creating un-needed chaos.

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I know they were WRONG about one thing but I don't know. I don't go on there much because I'm always here

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Personally, I think the Org is the most reliable source for information. I have found that a lot of those other sites are casual Prince fans and they don't really seem to know a whole lot or understand the timeline of events, as we have painstakingly researched and have done our homework here on the Org.

Hey CLOVERINGOLD85!! It is a tough day for some reason. I heard "Empty Room" and the water

works started.

NotACleverName said:

Dibblekins said:

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I applaud your efforts at being rude in a roundabout way - but, as you can see, the lyrics originally written by Mr Withers are NOT the ones subsequently utilised by Prince. Similar, but not the same - and the resultant inference thereof is very different.

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That's not to say you / TMO are wrong, but to say that my transcription of the lyrics is '(il)logical' is illogical in itself, because the transcription is accurate. A similarly accurate interpretation of those lyrics is tricky, however - probably exactly as Prince intended...
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Well, Dibblekins, you are inferring something within my text. I was simply letting tmo1965 know that a differing opinion is not going to be considered or received in the way that was intended. And, yes, it is a lost cause. I'll explain why. I have noticed that when a particular article is noted by the conspiracy theorists, with the intent to "support" claims of someone/thing apparently "out to get/murder Prince" & that is disputed (with a link, no less) it is either ignored or refuted with a "personal" opinion. Or, "I'll see if I can find it" & nothing is ever found to support a statement. This has happened time & time again. I have also asked for sources to show that the sec sys was OFF during the critical time on the eve/morn of this illicit activity (mentioned multiple times to further the agenda of murder) & none have been provided. Why not? I have asked this before & will pose the ques again: what is the point of all this detective work? Subtly accusing family, friends &/or associates of questionable activity (I feel this is right on the precipice of slander). What is the outcome you hope to achieve by posting the same thing over & over on multiple threads? You know what, people are going to believe whatever they want/find things that aren't there, but, sometimes things just are what they are...there is no hidden agenda, no ulterior motive.

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NotaCleverName: Sorry to interrupt your conversation. I just want to clear-up a few things here, if I may.

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There have, in fact been "links" provided, numerous times on this thread. Zenarose has been an excellent source of information here, because she keeps a lot of information/articles/links on-file, which I don't. I guess I should in the future, however, most of us already know the timeline of events and updates on the current status of the Prince death investigation.

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You have to understand that many times, someone will come in here discussing topics that have already been discussed, and then it all has to be repeated again. I never get upset at sharing information again, but it is quite time-consuming to search and look it up. Most information can be looked up, if you are interested.

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Pretty much all the information that has been shared here, has been provided with links.

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Everyone has their own idea of what happened to Prince the days leading up to, and the day of his death. We still dont' have all the facts, as this is still an on-going investigation.

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Please be patient with us. Thanks!