sonshine said:

How do we know Prince even agreed to do this? I don't care who made the appointment. I don't care what Judith Hill said. His beautiful self should have been put in rehab on Friday after arriving back from Moline. Shipped right up the road to Hazelden. I never want to hear "he was such a private person" again. If he did not have a terminal illness, if it was "just" a painkiller addiction: right into rehab. Who cares who knows? Dead or alive? Take your choice. We all know what happened.

1Sasha said:

How do we know Prince even agreed to do this? I don't care who made the appointment. I don't care what Judith Hill said. His beautiful self should have been put in rehab on Friday after arriving back from Moline. Shipped right up the road to Hazelden. I never want to hear "he was such a private person" again. If he did not have a terminal illness, if it was "just" a painkiller addiction: right into rehab. Who cares who knows? Dead or alive? Take your choice. We all know what happened.

I agree with you and have said so from the beginning. P had an appointment with a Holistic Dr. the

morning that he was found. That is why (news reports stated) KJ and MB showed up, to find out why he had missed the appointment. (???) AK also shows up at this time. The Attorney ( Mauzy) stated that AK had come to discuss treatment and explain how it worked. Which to me means intervention, P had no idea. How could P be in 2 places at the same time??? JH's story doesn't gel well either. She stated that P was calm during the time at the hospital. Narcan sends your system into withdrawal and makes you deathly ill. Vomiting, pain, trembling, ect., unless of course you don't have any opiods on your system. I don't think making small talk about movies would be of great interest to someone going through these symptoms. So did P even OD?? There are so many stories from "reputable" sources.... right!! They don't appear reputable to me. Everything we are being fed is officially unofficial. From start to now nothing makes sense. I test everything for truth. There is nothing to test here. The only thing that we have to go on is the Media Release from the ME on cause and manner of death. The report is officially from the ME with her name on it. Heck CCSO kept saying that outside LE was not being called in. While they were saying NO the DEA was already moving in on the case???

fortuneandserendipity said:

disch said:

"...I'm not aware that medical examiners need to know someone personally to make a conclusion about his death. She has access to facts and info that we don't have and uses her training and experience to draw scientific conclusions from that..."

...None of us knew prince personally either but that hasn't stopped many of us from expressing certainty about many aspects of his death, even without access to the teams of info and expertise the me would have had..."

fortuneandserendipity said:

"...She didn't know Prince though (probably one of the most private celebrities ever to have lived) and neither did most, if not all, of his closest company. That's the point, there's just too much conjecture here to know anything for certain...

...She was doing inductive reasoning, which is supposition...

...Withdrawal from opiates by all accounts is horrible, and people going through it don't see light at the end of the tunnel. There's no saying how bad he felt in those final hours, or even weeks, and there is no way the medical examiner can know enough to conclusively rule suicide out..."

"...So sarcasm?! She didn't know his mental state, maybe nobody knew his mental state, so she can't definitively rule it out. To say 'not applicable' doesn't rule it out. You can't draw- and she can't even draw- scientific conclusions from his mental state. Depression is not something you can measure, especially when someone's dead! ..."

fortuneandserendipity, here is something that proves Medical Examiners do indeed have scientific protocols and procedures for "drawing scientific conclusions from a decedent's mental state" — thereby, assessing the likelihood that a death may be or may not be attributed to suicide.

It is what they call in that field, "The Psychological Autopsy"...

The Psychological Autopsy, Part I: Applications and Methods — James L. Knoll, IV, MD:

…[This] article will use the following definition of a [Psychological Autopsy]: A postmortem investigative procedure requiring the identification and assessment of suicide risk factors present at the time of death, with the goal of enabling a determination of the manner of death to as high a degree of certainty as possible…

"…The [Psychological Autopsy] originated in approximately 1958 as a result of the Los Angeles County Medical Examiner’s Office consulting the Los Angeles Suicide Prevention Center for assistance in distinguishing drug-related accidental overdoses from suicides. This collaboration laid down the basic principles for the [Psychological Autopsy] procedure…

…The [Psychological Autopsy] can be a very helpful tool to assist medical examiners and homicide investigators in approaching “equivocal deaths.” An equivocal death may be one in which the manner of death is questionable, or the circumstances surrounding the death are otherwise unclear. The following are typical equivocal death scenarios…

• Drug-related deaths
  
  
• Autoerotic asphyxia
  
  
• Self-induced asphyxia (e.g., the “choking game”)
  
  
• Drownings
  
  
• …

…The [Psychological Autopsy] method has also been used in a forensic context in both criminal and civil courts…In criminal cases, the [Psychological Autopsy] may be used to establish whether a decedent was likely to have committed suicide…

…The [U.S. Supreme Court] held that a suicide was “sane” when the insured decedent “being in the possession of his ordinary reasoning faculties, from anger, pride, jealousy, or a desire to escape from the ills of life, intentionally takes his own life.”…

…a sane suicide implies the decedent had a rational understanding that his acts would result in his death…

…Another potential use for the [Psychological Autopsy] may be its clinical utility in helping surviving family members better understand the tragedy and begin the grieving process…

…[The Psychological Autopsy] may help provide families with the answers they need to find meaning within the tragedy…

…[Psychological Autopsies] have also been conducted for historical purposes on numerous public figures such as Ernest Hemingway…

…The [Psychological Autopsy] method involves collecting and analyzing all relevant information on the deceased. All applicable records are reviewed, including medical records, psychiatric records, police records, and autopsy findings. A visual inspection of the death scene via photographs is necessary, and a visit to the scene will occasionally be required. A thorough review of the decedent’s writings in the form of diaries, journals, e-mails, and internet correspondence is vital. (For a list of other important sources of data, see the suggested [Psychological Autopsy] protocol that will be presented in Part II of this series.) In addition to reviewing records, structured interviews with family members, relatives, and/or friends are necessary. Thus, a [Psychological Autopsy] synthesizes data from multiple informants and records. When performed in a comprehensive manner, the method may take anywhere from 20–50 hours or longer to complete. The overriding principle is that the greater the amount of relevant data analyzed, the more accurate the investigator’s conclusions are likely to be…

…Some decedents may have displayed unique, individualized behaviors suggestive of increased or decreased suicide risk that will be known only to close social contacts or treating mental health professionals. Thus, it is important to learn as much as possible about the decedent’s individualized risk factors and patterns of reactions to past stress…

…When thoughtfully analyzed in the context of the totality of the decedent’s circumstances, the investigator should be able to arrive at a conclusion about the decedent’s overall risk of suicide near the time of death. This ultimately informs the investigator’s opinion about whether or not the decedent was a likely candidate to commit suicide at the time in question…

…The goals of the [Psychological Autopsy] include obtaining an in-depth understanding of the decedent’s personality, behavior patterns, and possible motives for suicide. The investigator strives to obtain an objective analysis of factors that increased and decreased the decedent’s risk of suicide…

…The following are some of the key goals of the PA:…

• Identify behavior patterns—reactions to stress, adaptability, changes in habits or routine
  
  
• Establish presence or absence of mental illness
  
  
• Identify possible precipitants
  
  
• Determine presence or absence of motives
  
  
• Determine presence or absence of suicidal intent
  
  
• Determine suicide risk factors—both mitigating and aggravating
  
  
• Perform a postmortem suicide risk assessment
  
  
• Establish whether or not the deceased was a likely candidate for suicide
  
  
• …

…The importance of collateral interviews as part of the [Psychological Autopsy] method cannot be overstated. Careful interviews with the decedent’s family members and other relevant social contacts distinguish a proper [Psychological Autopsy] from a mere analysis of demographic data and police…

…Collateral interviews often reveal critical and/or determinative information about the decedent that cannot be obtained elsewhere…

DISCH: This link says that there were 24 Watson 385'S in an Aleve bottle, and there were 60

counterfiet pills in an aspirin bottle. It seems to be a little more in depth RE: pills found. I haven't read

this one before.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/08/22/counterfeit-drugs-taken-from-princes-home-contained-fentanyl/

thanks Zenarose. That CBSLocal story is a reprint of the AP story here: http://bigstory.ap.org/ar...d-fentanyl

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You can tell quickly because it says AP on the dateline at the top. Many times, stories that appear in various news outlets are really just an AP story, not new reporting.

zenarose said:

DISCH: This link says that there were 24 Watson 385'S in an Aleve bottle, and there were 60

counterfiet pills in an aspirin bottle. It seems to be a little more in depth RE: pills found. I haven't read

this one before.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/08/22/counterfeit-drugs-taken-from-princes-home-contained-fentanyl/

disch said:

thanks Zenarose. That CBSLocal story is a reprint of the AP story here: http://bigstory.ap.org/ar...d-fentanyl

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You can tell quickly because it says AP on the dateline at the top. Many times, stories that appear in various news outlets are really just an AP story, not new reporting.

zenarose said:

DISCH: This link says that there were 24 Watson 385'S in an Aleve bottle, and there were 60

counterfiet pills in an aspirin bottle. It seems to be a little more in depth RE: pills found. I haven't read

this one before.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/08/22/counterfeit-drugs-taken-from-princes-home-contained-fentanyl/

Yea, I looked at the date. ( 8/22) Gonna have to go into lurk mode and stop digging for a couple days. LOL

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disch said:

If these are the kind of sources that yuo are looking at for info on Prince's death, then, well, that's the direction you've gone. The internet is a bottomless pit of all manner of crazy if you want to seek that out; I'm sure you can find someone who says just about anything related to Prince's death.

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I think it's way advantageous is to avoid internet cesspool sources and rely on to government sources (law enforcement etc.) and reputable media outlets (NYTimes, Star-Tribune, AP, etc.)

cloveringold85 said:

https://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/2016/05/12/prince-death-squad-the-devil-in-control/

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Disch: While I appreciate your comment, I do believe the author of that site is "credible", as he is a journalist and did a lot of research and the information he presented were quite accurate (not from tabloid source). I was most impressed with what he said about "Fentanyl", and that is why I wanted to share it with others. I'm in no way saying I agree with everything he presented.

but the official said at least one of the pills tested positive for fentanyl.

That sentence right there tells me all of those counterfeit pills had different mixtures of substances in them. The authorities did not only test one pill, but that of all the pills they have tested at least one had fentanyl in it. It doesn't make the entire scenerio make a ounce more sense but this reoccuring idea that Prince made a decision to play his swan song seems highly unlikely since the substance mixture was so random from pill to pill. I wish that narrative would stop.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

zenarose said:

I haven't believed that from the beginning!! P was very protective and he was smart enough to know there are idiots out there!!! LOL Look how many times the Police were called for lurkers!!

Agree...also he was supposedly getting death threats at this time too. Doubt he would not have security cameras on...

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PurpleDiamonds: Yes, the "death threats" makes it even more hard to believe he would "purposely" have the security system turned off. Personally speaking, I know if I was living "alone" in a 55,000 Square Foot estate, that security system would be ON 24/7!!

well, I disagree that this is a credible source. I work for a major media company myself (not warner brothers and not one that i've cited elsewhere, such as the AP, NYtimes, CNN etc.), side by side with journalists, and part of what I do requires evaluating and vetting sources. So feel comfortable with my methods for evaluating the sources I rely on.

cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

If these are the kind of sources that yuo are looking at for info on Prince's death, then, well, that's the direction you've gone. The internet is a bottomless pit of all manner of crazy if you want to seek that out; I'm sure you can find someone who says just about anything related to Prince's death.

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I think it's way advantageous is to avoid internet cesspool sources and rely on to government sources (law enforcement etc.) and reputable media outlets (NYTimes, Star-Tribune, AP, etc.)

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Disch: While I appreciate your comment, I do believe the author of that site is "credible", as he is a journalist and did a lot of research and the information he presented were quite accurate (not from tabloid source). I was most impressed with what he said about "Fentanyl", and that is why I wanted to share it with others. I'm in no way saying I agree with everything he presented.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

This writer brings up some very valid points. Although some of his information is "inaccurate" and "out-of-date" because there have been many updates since it was written, but I think he is on-point with the circumstances surrounding Prince's sudden and unexpected death:

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Here is an excerpt, but you can read the article in it's entirety (link below), if you are interested.

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On April 21, 2016, Dr. Kornfeld’s son, Andrew Kornfeld was part of a DEATH SQUAD that invaded Prince’s secured compound and home without his knowledge or consent. We know for certain that Prince didn’t open the gate and door to invite them in, and didn’t authorize anyone to open the gates to his home to stranglers.....(I think he meant to say "strangers")

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April 21, 2016, at 9:43 AM, Prince was discovered by unknown and non identified individuals loosely known as Prince’s “team” lying in an elevator “unresponsive“.[9] One of the unknown persons running around Prince’s home when he was found dead has been confirmed for certain to have been Andrew Kornfeld of California.

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On April 22, 2016, the day after Prince was found dead, the Carver County Sheriff, Jim Olsontold reporters at a press conference that on Thursday (April 21), [un-named] members of Prince’s staff became worried when they couldn’t contact him on Thursday morning. They went over to the house to find him unresponsive on the first floor of the house in the elevator.”[10]

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During the press conference, Sheriff Jim Olson noted that Prince was a very private person, and the sheriff encouraged people to respect the singer’s privacy even though he was dead. A dead man no longer possess a right to privacy. I suppose that Sheriff Olson was asking the public not to ask too many questions about Prince’s death.[11] If un-named people were worried about Prince so much, why didn’t they respect his privacy by calling 9-11 before invading and trespassing his home?

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During the press conference, Sheriff Jim Olson concealed and covered-up the fact that there was/were person(s) or entities (DEATH SQUAD) not part of Prince’s staff, Andrew Kornfeld, on the compound chasing him then allegedly found him dead.

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Sheriff Jim Olson concealed and covered-up the fact that Andrew had illegal drugs concealed in his backpack. Did they intend to drug Prince forcibly and covertly against his will?

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The Kornfelds are now represented by a high profile Minnesota white collar criminal defense attorney. They aren’t talking and answering any questions, and Sheriff Jim Olson isn’t talking about the evidence that he concealed from the public– the Kornfelds and the illegal drugs that Andrew–Buprenorphine. The corporate mass news media aren’t pushing for answers about theKornfelds, and Prince’s right to left alone by trespassers, stranglers and interlopers even if in fact he had serious drug or medical problems.

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May 10, 2016, the Carver County Sheriff Department is backing up, revisiting the crime scene at Paisley Park. It should have closed off as a crime scene, period, the day Prince was found DEAD! Even Bremer Bank shouldn’t have been allowed to enter that property until the federal investigation was completed.

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https://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/2016/05/12/prince-death-squad-the-devil-in-control/

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Don't know about all this but the Kornfields are weird and I have always wondered why they were called in to help. Supposely Phaedrea Ellis Lamkins contaced them and she is listed as the manager of NPG Music Publishing so you have to wonder. If you go to the Yelp page for Dr. K Rehab there are some really bad reviews on the site about his place. It makes you wonder why these people.

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Agree, 100%. I read about Dr. K., and there are some pretty horrific stories, and I have a hard time believing that Prince would ever associate or get help from a nutcase like Dr. K.!!!!

cloveringold85 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

zenarose said: Agree...also he was supposedly getting death threats at this time too. Doubt he would not have security cameras on...

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PurpleDiamonds: Yes, the "death threats" makes it even more hard to believe he would "purposely" have the security system turned off. Personally speaking, I know if I was living "alone" in a 55,000 Square Foot estate, that security system would be ON 24/7!!

YUP... cameras and the DOBERMAN GANG

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

cloveringold85 said:

This writer brings up some very valid points. Although some of his information is "inaccurate" and "out-of-date" because there have been many updates since it was written, but I think he is on-point with the circumstances surrounding Prince's sudden and unexpected death:

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Here is an excerpt, but you can read the article in it's entirety (link below), if you are interested.

.

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On April 21, 2016, Dr. Kornfeld’s son, Andrew Kornfeld was part of a DEATH SQUAD that invaded Prince’s secured compound and home without his knowledge or consent. We know for certain that Prince didn’t open the gate and door to invite them in, and didn’t authorize anyone to open the gates to his home to stranglers.....(I think he meant to say "strangers")

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April 21, 2016, at 9:43 AM, Prince was discovered by unknown and non identified individuals loosely known as Prince’s “team” lying in an elevator “unresponsive“.[9] One of the unknown persons running around Prince’s home when he was found dead has been confirmed for certain to have been Andrew Kornfeld of California.

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On April 22, 2016, the day after Prince was found dead, the Carver County Sheriff, Jim Olsontold reporters at a press conference that on Thursday (April 21), [un-named] members of Prince’s staff became worried when they couldn’t contact him on Thursday morning. They went over to the house to find him unresponsive on the first floor of the house in the elevator.”[10]

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During the press conference, Sheriff Jim Olson noted that Prince was a very private person, and the sheriff encouraged people to respect the singer’s privacy even though he was dead. A dead man no longer possess a right to privacy. I suppose that Sheriff Olson was asking the public not to ask too many questions about Prince’s death.[11] If un-named people were worried about Prince so much, why didn’t they respect his privacy by calling 9-11 before invading and trespassing his home?

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During the press conference, Sheriff Jim Olson concealed and covered-up the fact that there was/were person(s) or entities (DEATH SQUAD) not part of Prince’s staff, Andrew Kornfeld, on the compound chasing him then allegedly found him dead.

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Sheriff Jim Olson concealed and covered-up the fact that Andrew had illegal drugs concealed in his backpack. Did they intend to drug Prince forcibly and covertly against his will?

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The Kornfelds are now represented by a high profile Minnesota white collar criminal defense attorney. They aren’t talking and answering any questions, and Sheriff Jim Olson isn’t talking about the evidence that he concealed from the public– the Kornfelds and the illegal drugs that Andrew–Buprenorphine. The corporate mass news media aren’t pushing for answers about theKornfelds, and Prince’s right to left alone by trespassers, stranglers and interlopers even if in fact he had serious drug or medical problems.

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May 10, 2016, the Carver County Sheriff Department is backing up, revisiting the crime scene at Paisley Park. It should have closed off as a crime scene, period, the day Prince was found DEAD! Even Bremer Bank shouldn’t have been allowed to enter that property until the federal investigation was completed.

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https://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/2016/05/12/prince-death-squad-the-devil-in-control/

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Thought dr K and Andrew story did not add up...Andrew and his backpack were full of something and it was not to help Prince. Thanks for sharing your link. Sad but it seems this is very likely

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Thanks, PurpleDiamonds. Andrew K. should have never been there, as he was not qualified to treat Prince or anyone (he's not a doctor). They made so many mistakes, I don't even know where to begin!!

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Andrew K. made the 911 Call, and so under MN law, he is "off the hook", and not considered suspicious. Nice, huh?

TopazGirl said:

disch said:

If these are the kind of sources that yuo are looking at for info on Prince's death, then, well, that's the direction you've gone. The internet is a bottomless pit of all manner of crazy if you want to seek that out; I'm sure you can find someone who says just about anything related to Prince's death.

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I think it's way advantageous is to avoid internet cesspool sources and rely on to government sources (law enforcement etc.) and reputable media outlets (NYTimes, Star-Tribune, AP, etc.)

I agree. I just can't get down with that website above. I don't mean this offensively, but do some of you really believe stuff like this? Or rather, would you really believe this over reputable news sources using info from authorities as their sources? Just honest questions. Maybe the Kornfelds are strange, but they were thrown into a bizarre and last minute situation making them seem even more shady. That Kornfeld kid even did an interview on how if they had come even sooner, the outcome would have been far different.

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TopazGirl: I certainly did not mean to "offend" anyone by sharing that link/information. If I did, I sincerely apologize. That article did come from a "credible" source (journalist) who did extensive research and was not just talking out his (you know what). I thought his findings on "Fentanyl" were quite impressive and I have certainly learned a lot by doing research on my own (not from tabloids), as well.

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Dr. K is not a good doctor. Just read his reviews. His Son had no business being at PP.

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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

TopazGirl said:

I agree. I just can't get down with that website above. I don't mean this offensively, but do some of you really believe stuff like this? Or rather, would you really believe this over reputable news sources using info from authorities as their sources? Just honest questions. Maybe the Kornfelds are strange, but they were thrown into a bizarre and last minute situation making them seem even more shady. That Kornfeld kid even did an interview on how if they had come even sooner, the outcome would have been far different.

Prince himself spoke about a lot of what this website had said. I learned about NWO, illuminati (Jay Z) from Prince himself. I could not believe when he did the deal with Tidal as he was against Jay Z....hmmmm P was warning for all of us to wake up, sad they got to him.

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PurpleDiamonds: Thank you for saying that!! We are on the same page!!

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People say I am "crazy" for believing in so-called "conspiracies" (NWO), but Prince HIMSELF even spoke out about the very same things!! Oh yea, and Prince teaming-up with TIDAL? I thought that was bizarre, to say the least!! So, with that said, al those people can say Prince was crazy too!! Yea, it's me, Prince and I got your back, honey!!

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disch said:

sonshine said:

zenarose said:

You are sure right on that!! I read his reviews and was floored!!

It's my understanding that he was recommended due to the location i.e. For privacy reasons, and also due to the fact he uses medication for treating opiate addiction which isn't common yet. But it can be very beneficial as its proven to curb cravings. There's nothing suspect about that. Yelp reviews need to be taken with a grain of salt to begin with, but addiction therapy has a high failure rate. It's the nature of the beast. Hard to judge his practice on Yelp reviews alone.

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You honestly think that people would go on Yelp and "lie" about a medical professional? Interesting.

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Dr. K is not a good doctor. I know I would never use his services NOR would I ever recommend him to anyone, if they value their "life".

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But, that's just me.

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said:

It's my understanding that he was recommended due to the location i.e. For privacy reasons, and also due to the fact he uses medication for treating opiate addiction which isn't common yet. But it can be very beneficial as its proven to curb cravings. There's nothing suspect about that. Yelp reviews need to be taken with a grain of salt to begin with, but addiction therapy has a high failure rate. It's the nature of the beast. Hard to judge his practice on Yelp reviews alone.

/-/ I don't take all YELP seriously but those reviews are people saying they almost died. Dr.K sent his son who is not a doctor across state lines with a controlled substance. You don't think that is strange? As far as privacy rehabs don't sell people out because it violates HIPPA. It is usually people who work for the celebrity that are running their mouths.

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1Sasha said:

How do we know Prince even agreed to do this? I don't care who made the appointment. I don't care what Judith Hill said. His beautiful self should have been put in rehab on Friday after arriving back from Moline. Shipped right up the road to Hazelden. I never want to hear "he was such a private person" again. If he did not have a terminal illness, if it was "just" a painkiller addiction: right into rehab. Who cares who knows? Dead or alive? Take your choice. We all know what happened.

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1Sasha: I agree & I have said the very same things on this board many times.

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We just don't know if Prince "agreed" to see Dr. K or anyone. It's all hearsay.

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JH says that Prince said he was "fighting to come back" (after the OD), but his Sister Tyka sings a different tune and says "He did what he came here for & we knew & planned for 2-years).

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Controversy? Let's Go Crazy? Thank you very much!!

zenarose said:

1Sasha said:

How do we know Prince even agreed to do this? I don't care who made the appointment. I don't care what Judith Hill said. His beautiful self should have been put in rehab on Friday after arriving back from Moline. Shipped right up the road to Hazelden. I never want to hear "he was such a private person" again. If he did not have a terminal illness, if it was "just" a painkiller addiction: right into rehab. Who cares who knows? Dead or alive? Take your choice. We all know what happened.

I agree with you and have said so from the beginning. P had an appointment with a Holistic Dr. the

morning that he was found. That is why (news reports stated) KJ and MB showed up, to find out why he had missed the appointment. (???) AK also shows up at this time. The Attorney ( Mauzy) stated that AK had come to discuss treatment and explain how it worked. Which to me means intervention, P had no idea. How could P be in 2 places at the same time??? JH's story doesn't gel well either. She stated that P was calm during the time at the hospital. Narcan sends your system into withdrawal and makes you deathly ill. Vomiting, pain, trembling, ect., unless of course you don't have any opiods on your system. I don't think making small talk about movies would be of great interest to someone going through these symptoms. So did P even OD?? There are so many stories from "reputable" sources.... right!! They don't appear reputable to me. Everything we are being fed is officially unofficial. From start to now nothing makes sense. I test everything for truth. There is nothing to test here. The only thing that we have to go on is the Media Release from the ME on cause and manner of death. The report is officially from the ME with her name on it. Heck CCSO kept saying that outside LE was not being called in. While they were saying NO the DEA was already moving in on the case???

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Zena: Girl been doin' her homework this weekend!

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Seriously, I am right there with you on everything you said, and we will keep preaching it.

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You are absolutely correct; Prince did in fact have an appointment with a "holistic" doctor on the morning of April 21, 2016, and it makes ZERO sense that he would have 2 appointments on the same morning. We have no proof that he had anything scheduled with Dr. K. or his son.

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And JH story about P being "calm" in the hospital, but he was given Narcan, 2 times?! Again, we just don't know if he had O/D on that plane.

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My theory is this (and call me nuts), I think that P knew someone was trying to do him harm, and he was getting blood test results that very same day, BUT they made damn sure that they got there BEFORE the other doctor arrived, to make sure they finished him, once and for all.

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disch said:

well, I disagree that this is a credible source. I work for a major media company myself (not warner brothers and not one that i've cited elsewhere, such as the AP, NYtimes, CNN etc.), side by side with journalists, and part of what I do requires evaluating and vetting sources. So feel comfortable with my methods for evaluating the sources I rely on.

cloveringold85 said:

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Disch: While I appreciate your comment, I do believe the author of that site is "credible", as he is a journalist and did a lot of research and the information he presented were quite accurate (not from tabloid source). I was most impressed with what he said about "Fentanyl", and that is why I wanted to share it with others. I'm in no way saying I agree with everything he presented.

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Are you a journalist/writer? That's fabulous (seriously). I'm a writer myself, but just not by profession, but I have a great deal of respect for writers.

zenarose said:

cloveringold85 said:

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PurpleDiamonds: Yes, the "death threats" makes it even more hard to believe he would "purposely" have the security system turned off. Personally speaking, I know if I was living "alone" in a 55,000 Square Foot estate, that security system would be ON 24/7!!

YUP... cameras and the DOBERMAN GANG

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Did P have Dobermans, seriously? I am an animal lover and I love Dobermans! They are awesome dogs.

cloveringold85 said:

zenarose said:

YUP... cameras and the DOBERMAN GANG

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Did P have Dobermans, seriously? I am an animal lover and I love Dobermans! They are awesome dogs.

I don't know. I doubt it. But I would have had 6 of the very best trained.....to give BIG smiles to

strangers.... They are definately brilliant fur babies.

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not a writer or journalist -- used to be be called "editor," now called something else. (I work on the digital side of a publishing company, so my job has morphed in a different direction over the past couple decades.)

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What kind of writing do you do?

cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

well, I disagree that this is a credible source. I work for a major media company myself (not warner brothers and not one that i've cited elsewhere, such as the AP, NYtimes, CNN etc.), side by side with journalists, and part of what I do requires evaluating and vetting sources. So feel comfortable with my methods for evaluating the sources I rely on.

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Are you a journalist/writer? That's fabulous (seriously). I'm a writer myself, but just not by profession, but I have a great deal of respect for writers.

zenarose said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Did P have Dobermans, seriously? I am an animal lover and I love Dobermans! They are awesome dogs.

I don't know. I doubt it. But I would have had 6 of the very best trained.....to give BIG smiles to

strangers.... They are definately brilliant fur babies.

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Me too!

He wasn't murdered, he didn't kill himself, he wasn't poisoned. He died of an accidental overdose, just like they said.

He wasn't a druggie, he took the meds to control his pain. The narcs are getting so hard to get because the drs. are trying not to prescribe those type of meds anymore because the abusers are getting out of hand and the amount of OD's have risen so drastically.

There is BIG difference between a druggie who is abusing the drugs to get high, and a patient with chronic pain that are taking the drugs in order to be able to have a better quality of life.

His dr probably wouldn't prescribe the narcs or stopped prescribing them, he turned to the streets because in order to function he had to have the drug. He got a bad batch of street pills, which has been going thru the Midwest for quite sometime now.

His clothes were on backwards/inside out because he was high as a kite and tried to get back dressed.

His security guy never seen the pills, because they were carried in Aleve or Aspirin bottles, and the security guard had no other reason to think differently.

The security cameras were turned off because his associates were trying to get the rehab dr, into PP without Prince knowing.

His statement to Tyka, was nothing more than a statement that he has done what he set out to do. Meaning, he felt his job that he was put on earth to do, has been completed. RE: WB and getting his work back.

IMO, Prince wasn't feeling good, he wanted to cut back and going on tour With a Piano and Microphone, he didn't need a band etc. etc. Just him and piano, which was a very smart idea.

Yes, drug addiction is drug addiction. But let's not confuse the 2. Druggies abuse drugs to get high. Chronic pain people use drugs to survive.

All of this is just my opinion. I don't mean to offend anybody.

disch said:

not a writer or journalist -- used to be be called "editor," now called something else. (I work on the digital side of a publishing company, so my job has morphed in a different direction over the past couple decades.)

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What kind of writing do you do?

cloveringold85 said:

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Are you a journalist/writer? That's fabulous (seriously). I'm a writer myself, but just not by profession, but I have a great deal of respect for writers.

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Editor, very nice! I write on various topics in my leisure time, which is not very often, LOL

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I started writing my biography a few years ago, but that's been put on the back-burner, due to other things going on in my life in recent years.

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Thanks for asking!

PennyPurple said:

He wasn't murdered, he didn't kill himself, he wasn't poisoned. He died of an accidental overdose, just like they said.

He wasn't a druggie, he took the meds to control his pain. The narcs are getting so hard to get because the drs. are trying not to prescribe those type of meds anymore because the abusers are getting out of hand and the amount of OD's have risen so drastically.

There is BIG difference between a druggie who is abusing the drugs to get high, and a patient with chronic pain that are taking the drugs in order to be able to have a better quality of life.

His dr probably wouldn't prescribe the narcs or stopped prescribing them, he turned to the streets because in order to function he had to have the drug. He got a bad batch of street pills, which has been going thru the Midwest for quite sometime now.

His clothes were on backwards/inside out because he was high as a kite and tried to get back dressed.

His security guy never seen the pills, because they were carried in Aleve or Aspirin bottles, and the security guard had no other reason to think differently.

The security cameras were turned off because his associates were trying to get the rehab dr, into PP without Prince knowing.

His statement to Tyka, was nothing more than a statement that he has done what he set out to do. Meaning, he felt his job that he was put on earth to do, has been completed. RE: WB and getting his work back.

IMO, Prince wasn't feeling good, he wanted to cut back and going on tour With a Piano and Microphone, he didn't need a band etc. etc. Just him and piano, which was a very smart idea.

Yes, drug addiction is drug addiction. But let's not confuse the 2. Druggies abuse drugs to get high. Chronic pain people use drugs to survive.

All of this is just my opinion. I don't mean to offend anybody.

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Penny: I apprecicate what you are saying. I also do not believe that Prince was a "drug addict".

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Something you said caught my concern; you said: The security cameras were turned off because his associates were trying to get the rehab dr, into PP without Prince knowing.

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How do you know that is fact? Furthermore, turning off the security system is something that Prince would never approve of, so whomever did this was not respecting their "Boss" (aka: Prince).

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We all know Prince ran PP like a Ship Captain, and he would NEVER, under ANY circumstances turn-off the security system.

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Could you please share your source for that information, or is it based on your opinion? Thanks.

cloveringold85 said:

zenarose said:

I agree with you and have said so from the beginning. P had an appointment with a Holistic Dr. the

morning that he was found. That is why (news reports stated) KJ and MB showed up, to find out why he had missed the appointment. (???) AK also shows up at this time. The Attorney ( Mauzy) stated that AK had come to discuss treatment and explain how it worked. Which to me means intervention, P had no idea. How could P be in 2 places at the same time??? JH's story doesn't gel well either. She stated that P was calm during the time at the hospital. Narcan sends your system into withdrawal and makes you deathly ill. Vomiting, pain, trembling, ect., unless of course you don't have any opiods on your system. I don't think making small talk about movies would be of great interest to someone going through these symptoms. So did P even OD?? There are so many stories from "reputable" sources.... right!! They don't appear reputable to me. Everything we are being fed is officially unofficial. From start to now nothing makes sense. I test everything for truth. There is nothing to test here. The only thing that we have to go on is the Media Release from the ME on cause and manner of death. The report is officially from the ME with her name on it. Heck CCSO kept saying that outside LE was not being called in. While they were saying NO the DEA was already moving in on the case???

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Zena: Girl been doin' her homework this weekend!

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Seriously, I am right there with you on everything you said, and we will keep preaching it.

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You are absolutely correct; Prince did in fact have an appointment with a "holistic" doctor on the morning of April 21, 2016, and it makes ZERO sense that he would have 2 appointments on the same morning. We have no proof that he had anything scheduled with Dr. K. or his son.

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And JH story about P being "calm" in the hospital, but he was given Narcan, 2 times?! Again, we just don't know if he had O/D on that plane.

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My theory is this (and call me nuts), I think that P knew someone was trying to do him harm, and he was getting blood test results that very same day, BUT they made damn sure that they got there BEFORE the other doctor arrived, to make sure they finished him, once and for all.

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Dr K's son may have been a part of an intervention that Prince was not aware of. As you are correct he was not going to be in two places at once. As far as the Narcan it is given to people who are non-responsive not always for O.D.s and even Dr. Drew said what Judith described did not sound like an O.D. but a seizure. We never had any confirmation that he actually had an O.D. at that hospital in Moline and I can't figure out how he would be calm after the Narcan unless he was just unresponsive from a seizure and not pain med o.d. I mean how the hell did he get throught that show on enough pain meds to put him in an O.D. state and how was he eating pasta and vegetable when the chef said he was drinking smoothies and soups. These pain med will destroy your stomach and digestive system how was he getting all those damm veggies down up and until January like the chef said. Some parts of this story just do not add up and never have.