disch said:

disch said:

Someone's need for "closure" doesn't trump someone else's right to live in peace. Specifically, I'm thinking of the comments I've read in threads here about Prince's family -- that they're "hiding something," acting "shady" and "why don't they just tell us the truth?" There's a fine line between comments like that on the internet to "fams" contacting these family members directly and demanding "answers" from them (I'm sure that that's already occuring) -- at a time when I'm sure Prince's family is dealing with tremendous stress already.

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"Closure" is something that fans are going to have to come to themselves, with or without the details of Prince's life they think they are entitled to.

A.Men.

The sense of entitlement with some people is vomit-inducing. Not new or surprising, but sickening nonetheless.

laurarichardson said:

"...Not sure how asking questions about his death is going to effect his legacy..."

I recently saw a documentary on Johann Sebastian Bach {the clasical music composer — not the Metal Power Balladeer}. Academics were researching what demographic made up Bach's audience during his life-time and how the changing of his audience over time might have influenced Bach's compositions at various phases of his active composing career.

I can envisage a future documentary on Prince 600, 800 years from now, where music historians researching the make-up of Prince's fans, will somehow come across some of these aforementioned "questions about his death" and conclude that 90% of the demographic of Prince fans were "challenged" in quite a few fundamental reasoning skills.

That begs the question: Would Prince want his legacy to be that the majority of his fans wore aluminum foil hats?

phatphuk said:

Some want to turn every thread into a conspiracy thread - every time - broken record.

morningsong said:

disch said:

Mumio said:

XxAxX said:

it's just another opinion piece from the HUFF POST.

And you know what they say about opinions, right

yeah. i could write a counterpiece, post it, and poof! instant authority

SquirrelMeat said:

Mumio said:

I'm with you laurarichardson. There is NOTHING wrong with questioning anything and everything you don't feel comfortable with...and there's still a lot about this whole thing that doesn't sit right given what we know about Prince, even though certain people here have issues with those who aren't satisfied at this point. If you are happy with what you've been fed so far, then go with it. But leave those who aren't satisfied to go about what they need to do to get their own closure. This all leads back to CLOSURE and there are several here who think if they browbeat others enough, that the questions will go away. They won't. How about avoiding what you don't like or walking away from it, if you've gotten closure for yourself? No one is forced to read anything here.

I think you are missing the point. Asking questions is one thing, but when someones personal search for 'closure' goes beyond words, but to actions, it can have an negative effect on others, the legacy and the estate. Their personal need for closure has then gotten out of control.

Ingoring words is easy, ignoring actions that could have a negative impact is not. So when some people want to take action (marching for example) they are attempting to legitimise their own baseless standpoint at the expense of others. When they receive push back from others, thats not browbeating, that reprocussion.

I agree with what you've said here...but regardless, there are people who will still move forward and do what they need to do to get their closure. Doesn't matter if we agree or don't like it, it's gonna happen. Closure isn't something that we can decide for others and I'm not going to beat others into submission to accept what I think is right. There is a large measure of browbeating that goes on here and has been going on here for months, you can call it something else if you like but that is what I call it. Questioning things that don't make sense to you is how you will finally come to an answer you can deal with. Again, it doesn't matter if others like it or not, that's how it is and it will continue. We aren't in a position to police what others can or can't do nor should we be.

disch said:

Someone's need for "closure" doesn't trump someone else's right to live in peace.

That's right, but someone else's right to live in peace doesn't trump the other person's need for closure. Works both ways.

XxAxX said:

Mumio said:

And you know what they say about opinions, right

yeah. i could write a counterpiece, post it, and poof! instant authority

I bet it would be interesting though

Mumio said:

Mumio said:

XxAxX said:

yeah. i could write a counterpiece, post it, and poof! instant authority

I bet it would be interesting though

i have a LOT of questions about the circumstances of his passing, and how it has been handled, but i guess i would never go so far as to interfere in the estate's handling, or get cheezed off at his next-of-kin, and etc.

keeping my private musings to myself...

I thought it was an outstanding article and a beautiful way to try to deal with what happened: to do it in a way that seems consistent with Prince's life and values. That said, there are plenty of ways in addition to the opinion expressed in the article to do this. Each person has to find their own way that works for them. For me, it just adds distress when I ruminate about how, as I don't have access to information at this point that would give me any closure to this question. I think the question that always comes to my mind is why now and a pleading emotional response of please, not yet! However, the way I deal with this is to embrace and focus on all the unbelievaable beautiful nuggets that Prince has left us. These are real and not hypothetical, so I can only sink my teeth into his creations in a way I just can't with the speculation. They nourish me, not provoke agitation.

laurarichardson said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I think you are missing the point. Asking questions is one thing, but when someones personal search for 'closure' goes beyond words, but to actions, it can have an negative effect on others, the legacy and the estate. Their personal need for closure has then gotten out of control.

Ingoring words is easy, ignoring actions that could have a negative impact is not. So when some people want to take action (marching for example) they are attempting to legitimise their own baseless standpoint at the expense of others. When they receive push back from others, thats not browbeating, that reprocussion.

// What actions are fans taking right now that are effecting the estate? If you are talking about the petition concerning the wall that is not going to go nowhere because the people signing do not live in the city and it appears the city has decided to go forward with the plans. Not sure how asking questions about his death is going to effect his legacy.

We actually agree. I have no problem with the questioning. When I did briefly wonder into the speculation threads, from what I saw you were making some sound hypothesis. My issue is with suggested actions that have popped up, either here, or on social media. An example is the Raspberry Army wanting to organise marches on the MPLSPD to demand answers surrounding a coverup of his death.

In my opinion, grief and self interest has overspilled into potential misguided action that will have a negative effect on the relationship between the fans and the estate.

Mumio said:

disch said:

I vehemently disagree with that. There are many ways you can achieve closure. You have no right whatsoever to demand that someone else help YOU achieve closure, and no right to make someone else suffer (by harassing or bullying them) so you can have the "closure" that you've chosen. I'm so disturbed by what you're implying. Mumio said:

That's right, but someone else's right to live in peace doesn't trump the other person's need for closure. Works both ways.

Sorry disch. You'll have to live with it I guess I'm not really sure what you're getting at here, especially since I did mention people being browbeaten here...but whatever. I'm not interested in going further with it.

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Angelsoncrack said:

Bit of a misleading title (it's the Huffington post so I don't know what I expected). An alright read, but like I say misleading as 95% of the article was the author of the piece talking about themselves and what P meant to them rather than talking about how conspiracy theories have 'ruined' Prince's reputation (which they haven't).

Quoted for emphasis.

To suggest that any circulating conspiracies have any significant impact on his legacy is absurd.

Nearly every legendary artist has conspiracy theories surrounding them. This is not some new and brilliant insight. It's just fluff.

Mumio said:

disch said:

I'm talking about the specific example I gave: people demanding princes family provide information about his medical history to they can get "closure." I stand by what I said: harassing and bullying his family, for example, would cross a major line. Your need for closure is not unlimited, Mumio said:

Sorry disch. You'll have to live with it I guess I'm not really sure what you're getting at here, especially since I did mention people being browbeaten here...but whatever. I'm not interested in going further with it.

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Okay, now I'm really confused then. Perhaps I missed this before or did we get caught up in two different convos? I don't disagree with what you're saying here but I wasn't responding to that comment.

ETA: Looking back, I'm going to say this was my error...I think I took a line from something you said but somehow didn't realize I'd done that. I apologize. As I said, I don't disagree with what you've said here so....

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petalthecat said:

Angelsoncrack said:

Bit of a misleading title (it's the Huffington post so I don't know what I expected). An alright read, but like I say misleading as 95% of the article was the author of the piece talking about themselves and what P meant to them rather than talking about how conspiracy theories have 'ruined' Prince's reputation (which they haven't).

The ability to discern & critical thinking are your superpowers.

petalthecat said:

I don't see how conspiracy theories can hurt Prince's legacy. Evan if everything that happen was laid on the table for everyone to see, their still would be conspiracy theories going around. He is not the only one in the entertainment industry where many things are not known about their deaths or the circumstances leading up to their deaths.

Purplestar88 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

beautyunaffected said:

Purplestar88 said:

I don't see how conspiracy theories can hurt Prince's legacy. Evan if everything that happen was laid on the table for everyone to see, their still would be conspiracy theories going around. He is not the only one in the entertainment industry where many things are not known about their deaths or the circumstances leading up to their deaths.

Exactly. Prince is not the first and certainly not the last to have conspiracies surround his death. There are other things the author can focus on in regards to his legacy, but instead they choose to focus on facebook groups and people speaking of conspiracy theories?? If anything the author is just as ridiculous as some of those people.

It's dumb. Bruce Lee and his son Brandon, Marilyn Monroe, Tupac , etc all have conspiracy theories surrounding their deaths and their legacy is just find. I feel the same way about the "drug addict" label hurting his legacy, I mean if the can praise up Kurt Cobain and Jimmy Hendrix, why should Prince be demonized? They don't know what people are going though.

Purplestar88 said: