Vannormal said:

Arrogant. - no, 'cause arrogance implies insecureness...

Sarcastic. - no

Yes the shit is Crazy!?!

Bodhitheblackdog said:

The ironies are beyond tragic: the 'great businessman' who left no will, the man totally opposed to drugs who died of an overdose, the fashion icon found in backwards clothes, the 'international lover' who died alone, the privacy freak whose every secret will now be picked apart for 100 years, the 'honest' soul who misled/lied to people , the man who railed against bootleg music who purchased bootleg pills, the man of great dignity whose amazing life ended in a most undignified way, the keeper of the sacred vault who, in the end, cared so little for its contents that he couldn't be bothered to arrange for its care and conservatorship.

Do I love the music and performances: more than words can express. Did I 'know' the man'...who really did?

QueenofCardboard said:

cindyt said:

he meddled in the occult while talking about God. there's another one. this is a stupid post, the original one. I don't think anyone knew what prince was actually like, not even the people closest to him. I knew nothing about prince until he died, to be honest. I don't now, either.

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You should really read the article that Lovejunkey so kindly made available to us on this thread.

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Lovejunky said:

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This is an interesting read...

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Was Prince an 'Acquired Musical Savant'?

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http://www.dailygrail.com/Essays/2016/6/Was-Prince-Acquired-Musical-Savant

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very very interesting article.

MD431Madcat said:

Yes the shit is Crazy!?!

Bodhitheblackdog said:

The ironies are beyond tragic: the 'great businessman' who left no will, the man totally opposed to drugs who died of an overdose, the fashion icon found in backwards clothes, the 'international lover' who died alone, the privacy freak whose every secret will now be picked apart for 100 years, the 'honest' soul who misled/lied to people , the man who railed against bootleg music who purchased bootleg pills, the man of great dignity whose amazing life ended in a most undignified way, the keeper of the sacred vault who, in the end, cared so little for its contents that he couldn't be bothered to arrange for its care and conservatorship.

Do I love the music and performances: more than words can express. Did I 'know' the man'...who really did?

People who find the no will tragic are all about themselves. What he had was his to do with as he wanted. You can be opposed to drugs and still use drugs. We do not know if he was found in backwards clothes with bootleg pills - heresay His life ended in a "most undignified way" - that is your judgement. Is it so hard to imagine he only cared about "the vault" when he was alive? "Couldn't be bothered" sounds like an insult to me. How do you know all of this and who are you to judge? So many self rightous people here sound like "suits" to me. Artists really are different - what they care about. Grief makes you angry but it doesn't make you "right".

QueenofCardboard said:

cindyt said:

he meddled in the occult while talking about God. there's another one. this is a stupid post, the original one. I don't think anyone knew what prince was actually like, not even the people closest to him. I knew nothing about prince until he died, to be honest. I don't now, either.

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You should really read the article that Lovejunkey so kindly made available to us on this thread.

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Lovejunky said:

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This is an interesting read...

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Was Prince an 'Acquired Musical Savant'?

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http://www.dailygrail.com/Essays/2016/6/Was-Prince-Acquired-Musical-Savant

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There is a lot of evidence - not least from Prince himself - that music-making was the time at which he was 'happiest'...However, reading this makes me think it must have been almost tortuous too...

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Never able to rest; hearing music ALL the time; being COMPELLED to 'get it out'...I remember reading a story where it was said he even had to have music radio on when he DID allow himself to sleep, 'because it soothes the savage beast'.

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So, yes, OK, it made him happy - it must have been like having an almost permanent orgasm (that is a medical condition, btw - and sufferers don't describe it in wholly positive terms) in that it was both intense and the height of sensory stimulation - but I can imagine it must have been painful too...He barely slept or ate or drank water; his entire being revolved around hearing and creating music - it HAD to have been exhausting. No wonder his body gave out...

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novabrkr said:

bigtimefan said:

DRIVEN! I just came accross this on a fb site:

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Segmented transcripts from an exclusive Q&A chat session from the 90s when Prince answers questions [moderated via 'OnlineHost'] from members of the Purple Army

Question: How do you feel about copyright infringement and musicans sampling your music? How are you different?
TheArtst: it was cool at 1st but now it has gotten out of hand...
TheArtst: i have never seen so many bad musicians in my life
Question: Why are you doing this?
TheArtst: love4oneanother
Question: How did you first get into music?
TheArtst: head1st
Question: Do you really eat Capt. Crunch cereal?
TheArtst: yes
Question: What's your musical goal?
TheArtst: i want 2 one write the grand progression...
TheArtst: the perfect song that makes me never want 2 sing again
Question: What's your opinion on scalpers?
TheArtst: get a real job!
Question: first of all you are fabulous!!!!!second i have a copy of purple rain on purple vinyl...is this a rare copy or were there alot of them printed?
TheArtst: it is very rare...during the time when my comrades and i got along
Question: My wife an I think that you are a great musician and we were really psyched to see you get a lifetime achievement award. We've noticed that your music is taking a turn to being a little more rebellious and shocking, what has caused you to go in this dire
OnlineHost: I think that mean direction
TheArtst: this "dire" direction with my music...
TheArtst: is in response 2 the ever pressing..
TheArtst: fact that most musicians especially of tha darker persuasion...
TheArtst: usually leave this business with nada..
TheArtst: BROKE
TheArtst: such a shame
Question: You are so intense now were you like that when you were younger?...Did you always know what you wanted to do?
TheArtst: i was as intense...yes i used 2 play act my whole future..
TheArtst: i willed this whole trip...
TheArtst: ppl do not want 2 wake up 2 the universe that way..
TheArtst: but i did
TheArtst: so what..big deal..
TheArtst: want something then wish 4 it

Where did you find it? I remember these from Love4OneAnother but cant find them anymore

I think Prince was basically a somewhat shy guy who felt best on stage and in the studio making music. He could come across as arrogant at times, but I think that was mostly out of insecurity. I think that once Prince started to trust/like you as a person, he would be an awesome, entertaining and funny friend.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

funkaholic1972 said:

I think Prince was basically a somewhat shy guy who felt best on stage and in the studio making music. He could come across as arrogant at times, but I think that was mostly out of insecurity. I think that once Prince started to trust/like you as a person, he would be an awesome, entertaining and funny friend.

Yes, i am like this.

AnonymousFan said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

The ironies are beyond tragic: the 'great businessman' who left no will, the man totally opposed to drugs who died of an overdose, the fashion icon found in backwards clothes, the 'international lover' who died alone, the privacy freak whose every secret will now be picked apart for 100 years, the 'honest' soul who misled/lied to people , the man who railed against bootleg music who purchased bootleg pills, the man of great dignity whose amazing life ended in a most undignified way, the keeper of the sacred vault who, in the end, cared so little for its contents that he couldn't be bothered to arrange for its care and conservatorship.

Do I love the music and performances: more than words can express. Did I 'know' the man'...who really did?

All of these ironies are why all of this is suspicious.

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Suspicious?

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Seriously?

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What do all of these "ironies" make you suspect?

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They aren't ironies at all, they were just verbally framed as ironies.

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And many of them are outright speculation, lies and gossip.

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With a bit of mind reading thrown in for good measure.

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paisleypark4 said:

bigtimefan said:

DRIVEN! I just came accross this on a fb site:

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Segmented transcripts from an exclusive Q&A chat session from the 90s when Prince answers questions [moderated via 'OnlineHost'] from members of the Purple Army

Question: How do you feel about copyright infringement and musicans sampling your music? How are you different?
TheArtst: it was cool at 1st but now it has gotten out of hand...
TheArtst: i have never seen so many bad musicians in my life
Question: Why are you doing this?
TheArtst: love4oneanother
Question: How did you first get into music?
TheArtst: head1st
Question: Do you really eat Capt. Crunch cereal?
TheArtst: yes
Question: What's your musical goal?
TheArtst: i want 2 one write the grand progression...
TheArtst: the perfect song that makes me never want 2 sing again
Question: What's your opinion on scalpers?
TheArtst: get a real job!
Question: first of all you are fabulous!!!!!second i have a copy of purple rain on purple vinyl...is this a rare copy or were there alot of them printed?
TheArtst: it is very rare...during the time when my comrades and i got along
Question: My wife an I think that you are a great musician and we were really psyched to see you get a lifetime achievement award. We've noticed that your music is taking a turn to being a little more rebellious and shocking, what has caused you to go in this dire
OnlineHost: I think that mean direction
TheArtst: this "dire" direction with my music...
TheArtst: is in response 2 the ever pressing..
TheArtst: fact that most musicians especially of tha darker persuasion...
TheArtst: usually leave this business with nada..
TheArtst: BROKE
TheArtst: such a shame
Question: You are so intense now were you like that when you were younger?...Did you always know what you wanted to do?
TheArtst: i was as intense...yes i used 2 play act my whole future..
TheArtst: i willed this whole trip...
TheArtst: ppl do not want 2 wake up 2 the universe that way..
TheArtst: but i did
TheArtst: so what..big deal..
TheArtst: want something then wish 4 it

Where did you find it? I remember these from Love4OneAnother but cant find them anymore

Yes, she copied it from L4OA site in the 90's. I'm going to ask her if she has anymore.

agreed..

funkaholic1972 said:

I think Prince was basically a somewhat shy guy who felt best on stage and in the studio making music. He could come across as arrogant at times, but I think that was mostly out of insecurity. I think that once Prince started to trust/like you as a person, he would be an awesome, entertaining and funny friend.

would you care to share your views since you disagree with other views so vehemently?

QueenofCardboard said:

AnonymousFan said:

Bodhitheblackdog said: All of these ironies are why all of this is suspicious.

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Suspicious?

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Seriously?

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What do all of these "ironies" make you suspect?

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They aren't ironies at all, they were just verbally framed as ironies.

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And many of them are outright speculation, lies and gossip.

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With a bit of mind reading thrown in for good measure.

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MD431Madcat said:

would you care to share your views since you disagree with other views so vehemently?

QueenofCardboard said:

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Suspicious?

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Seriously?

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What do all of these "ironies" make you suspect?

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They aren't ironies at all, they were just verbally framed as ironies.

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And many of them are outright speculation, lies and gossip.

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With a bit of mind reading thrown in for good measure.

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See Post #65

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They are itemized

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I was going to delete my response because I was so angry when I wrote it, that my tone is, well you know, angry.

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But I decided not to because I really want people to read the article about Oxycontin.

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It is wrong of people to be so judgmental of Prince over his addiction to pain killers.

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It wasn't his fault!

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Please read the article.

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http://www.latimes.com/pr...tin-part1/

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[Edited 9/29/16 23:34pm]

QueenofCardboard said:

MD431Madcat said:

would you care to share your views since you disagree with other views so vehemently?

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See Post #65

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They are itemized

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I was going to delete my response because I was angry when I wrote it.

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But I decided not to because I really want people to read the article about Oxycontin.

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It is wrong of people to be so judgmental of Prince over his addiction to pain killers.

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It wasn't his fault!

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Please read the article.

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i'm not being sarcastic, but to say it's not his fault is to obviously not be the least bit familiar with addiction. first rule of addiction groups i think. accept personal responsibility.

AnonymousFan said:

PliablyPurple said:

I feel as if I should preface this by qualifying my fandom. I am an old school fan who didn't take 30 years off in between. Been an active P fan since being exposed to him as a kid. And I know this is a delicate assumption to throw out there, but it's really more of a curiosity. I've always wondered if he had a mental illness, maybe schizophrenia or something similar. His talk of other identities, his beliefs in conspiracy theories, his thinking that food and water were not always necessary, beliefs in otherworldly entities...are all found in schizophrenic patients (but not limited to). I thought he was always forming a persona and some of the things he said were an attempt to cultivate that persona, but I'm not sure it's always about P trying to be mysterious. I dunno, like I said - a curiosity. Nothing more. And certainly not something that would change my perception of P if it were true.

I don't think he had schizophrenia. He was far too together to have had that and still far too sane. If he had schizophrenia it wouldn't have gone unnoticed and he wouldn't have been able to live the life he did. If he had anything, I would guess Asperger's or Schizotypal personality disorder.

I mentioned in the past that I though he showed signs of being a savant because of his musical genius) and showed signs of being on the autistic spectrum, most likely Aspberger's due to his social awkwardness and some other traits we recognize as fans.

cindyt said:

QueenofCardboard said:

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See Post #65

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They are itemized

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I was going to delete my response because I was angry when I wrote it.

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But I decided not to because I really want people to read the article about Oxycontin.

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It is wrong of people to be so judgmental of Prince over his addiction to pain killers.

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It wasn't his fault!

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Please read the article.

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i'm not being sarcastic, but

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to say it's not his fault is to obviously not be the least bit familiar with addiction.

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(Actually your presumption is incorrect. I know all about addiction, from the point of view of the addict, and the recovered addict, I know all about the twelve steps, and I have studied addiction, and addictive personalities from the psychological perspective. It isn't his fault but it is his problem.)

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first rule of addiction groups i think. accept personal responsibility.

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(No it isn't. The first step is to admit we are powerless over our addiction

But don't take my word for it, you can find out all about it for yourself.)

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As summarized by the American Psychological Association, the process involves the following:^[1]

• admitting that one cannot control one's alcoholism, addiction or compulsion;
• recognizing a higher power that can give strength;
• examining past errors with the help of a sponsor (experienced member);
• making amends for these errors;
• learning to live a new life with a new code of behavior;
• helping others who suffer from the same alcoholism, addictions or compulsions.

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My name is QueenofCardboard and I am a milkaholic.

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What is someone supposed to do when they are in chronic pain and there are no effective non addictive pain medications available?

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It is true. All of the strong pain medications that exist are addictive. All of them.

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Did you read the article?

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The people who took this painkiller were deliberately deceived.

They were told that it was time released when in reality it was just a much higher dose, that wore off just as fast as the lower safer doses.

The directions people were given about how often to take it, directly contributed to it's addictiveness.

The death toll in America is close to 200 thousand.

It is all explained in the article.

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If Prince means as much to you as you claim, then you owe it to him to stop trashing him and try to understand his predicament.

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Read the article.

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http://www.latimes.com/pr...tin-part1/

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cindyt said:

"live a healthy life" "don't eat meat" "don't drink" "don't smoke" "take enough illegal meds to do you in"

that one, for one.

hey, I don't think prince ever hesitated to judge other people, did he?

You've been in several peaceful threads

In nearly 40 years of being a P fan, I've never heard him say any of that, it was simply the way HE is reported to live and even when interviewers would ask him he was vague so if you have no sources to show proof, it didn't happen.

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

SheLovesMeNot said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

The ironies are beyond tragic: the 'great businessman' who left no will, the man totally opposed to drugs who died of an overdose, the fashion icon found in backwards clothes, the 'international lover' who died alone, the privacy freak whose every secret will now be picked apart for 100 years, the 'honest' soul who misled/lied to people , the man who railed against bootleg music who purchased bootleg pills, the man of great dignity whose amazing life ended in a most undignified way, the keeper of the sacred vault who, in the end, cared so little for its contents that he couldn't be bothered to arrange for its care and conservatorship.

Do I love the music and performances: more than words can express. Did I 'know' the man'...who really did?

Sad but true! Beside being the perfectionist he was, he was also critical and hypocritical, and very judgmental.

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Careful.

You are sounding critical and hypocritical, and very judgmental yourself.

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QueenofCardboard said:

Thank you - QueenofCardboard

I can almost guarantee, Prince didn't really know who he was.

How can we be so arogant to believe we could.

hollywooddove said:

I can almost guarantee, Prince didn't really know who he was.

How can we be so arrogant to believe we could.

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How can you almost guarantee such a thing.

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Are you his psychologist or his evil twin?

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QueenofCardboard said:

hollywooddove said:

I can almost guarantee, Prince didn't really know who he was.

How can we be so arrogant to believe we could.

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How can you almost guarantee such a thing.

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Are you his psychologist or his evil twin?

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LBrent said:

QueenofCardboard said:

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How can you almost guarantee such a thing.

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Are you his psychologist or his evil twin?

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LOL, no. I happen to believe it's the human contition.

I don't think he was any different.

I think we know what we do, but not why, and we know where we find ourselves, but not how, and in the center of it all, we never know who we are, and we struggle to connect with our own mystery.

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hollywooddove said:

LBrent said:

LOL, no. I happen to believe it's the human contition.

I don't think he was any different.

I think we know what we do, but not why, and we know where we find ourselves, but not how, and in the center of it all, we never know who we are, and we struggle to connect with our own mystery.

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What a well thought out and articulate answer.

I agree that this many be true for some people, but not for all.

Maybe this thread should be titled What do you think Prince was actually like without being mean.

Some posters sound like bad media writers, sensationalistic.

He preached love & compassion & gave his all. How many "stars" invite multitudes of folks to their home for music and pancakes? Uh, one and he has left us.