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Thread started 08/24/16 10:24am

Vannormal

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I miss REAL news and NEW MUSIC

Don't U just miss the good old times ? New music released every few weeks/months?

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Prince is dead.
There will never B new music coming up on a regular basis.

I miss it sooo much.

And all the crap theories going around here on the ORG about uninteresting issues since he's dead...

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And what happened to all the unheard unreleased music that some of us seems to own but don't want to share ? What about that ? It seems so unreal to not have new leaks...

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What sad sour times for Prince fans that are in for the music.
Probably they will release something within a year. Something old, with a few new versions.

I'm affraid that will be tempo for years to come.

So sad.

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
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Reply #1 posted 08/24/16 10:30am

TheDigitalGard
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Vannormal said:

And what happened to all the unheard unreleased music that some of us seems to own but don't want to share ? What about that ? It seems so unreal to not have new leaks...

You should be grateful for what has been shared.

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Reply #2 posted 08/24/16 10:57am

jayspud

TheDigitalGardener said:



Vannormal said:



And what happened to all the unheard unreleased music that some of us seems to own but don't want to share ? What about that ? It seems so unreal to not have new leaks...




You should be grateful for what has been shared.



Whilst I agree regarding the fact that there will never be the unexpected Prince news like before, the Album announcement or track release, the amount if unreleased material on YouTube us virtually unending.
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Reply #3 posted 08/24/16 10:58am

Vannormal

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TheDigitalGardener said:

Vannormal said:

And what happened to all the unheard unreleased music that some of us seems to own but don't want to share ? What about that ? It seems so unreal to not have new leaks...

You should be grateful for what has been shared.

Oh I am grateful, be sure.

I've never listened, watched, sang along to his music so much since he's dead.

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I just can't get over the fact that Prince is no more, and all that (BS that) comes with it.

The only thing left seems to be chaos (from the official camp).

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I'm not one to cry easily... but this feels like such an unbelievable and irreplaceable loss.

And I don't know how to deal with it. Honestly.

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I just miss new news and music.

A fan can mourn. Right ?

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
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Reply #4 posted 08/25/16 2:01pm

rob1965

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Vannormal said:

Don't U just miss the good old times ? New music released every few weeks/months?


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Prince is dead.
There will never B new music coming up on a regular basis.


I miss it sooo much.


And all the crap theories going around here on the ORG about uninteresting issues since he's dead...


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And what happened to all the unheard unreleased music that some of us seems to own but don't want to share ? What about that ? It seems so unreal to not have new leaks...


-


What sad sour times for Prince fans that are in for the music.
Probably they will release something within a year. Something old, with a few new versions.


I'm affraid that will be tempo for years to come.


So sad.




I feel ya, but regarding the unreleased stuff you might want 2 check YT as suggested before. There litterally hundreds and most of them in good quality.
'Liberate My Mind'
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Reply #5 posted 08/25/16 6:50pm

luvsexy4all

i said this would happen..people wILL start feening for new music.....

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Reply #6 posted 08/25/16 8:11pm

Iamtheorg

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luvsexy4all said:

i said this would happen..people wILL start feening for new music.....

When they would complain about it in the past.

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Reply #7 posted 08/25/16 10:01pm

ladygirl99

TheDigitalGardener said:

Vannormal said:

And what happened to all the unheard unreleased music that some of us seems to own but don't want to share ? What about that ? It seems so unreal to not have new leaks...

You should be grateful for what has been shared.

I know I am. Us Prince fans are not only cab be so spoiled but we are also lucky. I got all of his albums from 1978 to his Hitrun 2 and plus some unreleased material too and I am grateful the man left with some lot of work and art. And plus his associates work too. So I am good.

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Reply #8 posted 08/25/16 11:31pm

purplethunder3
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TheDigitalGardener said:

Vannormal said:

And what happened to all the unheard unreleased music that some of us seems to own but don't want to share ? What about that ? It seems so unreal to not have new leaks...

You should be grateful for what has been shared.

yeahthat

There's no them...there's only us...
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Reply #9 posted 08/25/16 11:44pm

kenkamken

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I don't want new music as much as him alive again. I am grateful for the floods of music online, so much I hadn't heard before, but it's all just hollow without him here. His death has robbed this world of so much color and creativity. I sometimes wonder if he did have a devastating diagnosis that he was prescribed such powerful pain pills. I know medical information is confidential so we may never know. A good friend of mine died on April 17 after fighting a cancer she had only been diagnosed with last October. Life is over and done in the blink of an eye. Make the most of what you have now, tomorrow is not promised.
"So fierce U look 2night, the brightest star pales 2 Ur sex..."
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Reply #10 posted 08/26/16 5:32am

CAL3

I hope nothing ever officially comes out from the Vault. Unless some kind of official directions/documents, writtten by Prince himself, surface. I'm not interested in "the Estate" or anyone else's version of a "Prince album."



Only Prince was able to make those kinds of decisions. In lieu of any specific directive on his part regarding unreleased material, I tend to be in the Sinead camp (more or less). I don't think the Vault contents should be "cremated" as Sinead called for. But I don't believe his unreleased music should be ransacked, remixed, re-produced, sequenced, etc in ways that we'll never, ever know if Prince wanted.



I do agree with the basic sentiment that any posthumous releases are essentially a form of graverobbing - I don't judge consumers for purchasing releases like this. I bought those nasty MJ compilations too. I've bought posthumous releases by other artists. And I liked some of them (there was an incredibly tasteful "new" Ray Charles album called 'Rare Genius' that included newly recorded parts added to complete previously unfinished work).



For me, the difference is simple: artists like MJ and Ray - or Elvis or Frank, for that matter - relied on outside producers, arrangers, composers throughout their careers. Not in all cases, but to varying degrees. It doesn't make that "Michael" travesty any more valid as an album. Or the sickening "Xscape" (although I didn't mind the unaltered originals, relegated to a "bonus" disc in a special edition).



But Prince was, to an unprecedented degree, autonomous. I don't trust anyone to do posthumous releases "right" because... well, because they aren't him. No one but Prince himself knew which songs might surface. And no one but Prince can make decisions about how the songs should sound in officially released versions - in other words, no one at all can now make those decisions.

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Reply #11 posted 08/26/16 5:42am

jayseajay

I agree that nothing should be changed/remixed/finished etc, but I don't agree that it shouldn't be released. For one, it seems P deliberately didn't make a decision about what would happen to the contents of the vault, and if he had had a clear intention, he would have made that known on the multiple times he was asked about it, rather he was 'that decision will be made by other people.' Second, he wasn't always the best judge of what should be released and what shouldn't...there are hours and hours and probably years worth of concert footage and soundboard recordings in there and I want them all...and as we also know, some of the unreleased tracks are stellar, who knows what else is in there that didn't make it out. I don't want them finished, but I do want to hear them

CAL3 said:

I hope nothing ever officially comes out from the Vault. Unless some kind of official directions/documents, writtten by Prince himself, surface. I'm not interested in "the Estate" or anyone else's version of a "Prince album."



Only Prince was able to make those kinds of decisions. In lieu of any specific directive on his part regarding unreleased material, I tend to be in the Sinead camp (more or less). I don't think the Vault contents should be "cremated" as Sinead called for. But I don't believe his unreleased music should be ransacked, remixed, re-produced, sequenced, etc in ways that we'll never, ever know if Prince wanted.



I do agree with the basic sentiment that any posthumous releases are essentially a form of graverobbing - I don't judge consumers for purchasing releases like this. I bought those nasty MJ compilations too. I've bought posthumous releases by other artists. And I liked some of them (there was an incredibly tasteful "new" Ray Charles album called 'Rare Genius' that included newly recorded parts added to complete previously unfinished work).



For me, the difference is simple: artists like MJ and Ray - or Elvis or Frank, for that matter - relied on outside producers, arrangers, composers throughout their careers. Not in all cases, but to varying degrees. It doesn't make that "Michael" travesty any more valid as an album. Or the sickening "Xscape" (although I didn't mind the unaltered originals, relegated to a "bonus" disc in a special edition).



But Prince was, to an unprecedented degree, autonomous. I don't trust anyone to do posthumous releases "right" because... well, because they aren't him. No one but Prince himself knew which songs might surface. And no one but Prince can make decisions about how the songs should sound in officially released versions - in other words, no one at all can now make those decisions.

Not like I love my guitar....
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Reply #12 posted 08/26/16 5:53am

1Sasha

On DVD or Blu-ray: just give me concert after concert after concert. Then release live album after live album after live album. Unfortunately, P is not here to talk about his work as three Beatles did on the Beatles Anthology sets, but if someone could compile - chronologically - some type of set, that would be great for me.

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Reply #13 posted 08/26/16 6:02am

jayseajay

1Sasha said:

On DVD or Blu-ray: just give me concert after concert after concert. Then release live album after live album after live album. Unfortunately, P is not here to talk about his work as three Beatles did on the Beatles Anthology sets, but if someone could compile - chronologically - some type of set, that would be great for me.

Seriously, a decent copy of First Ave Benefit, or For Those of You on Valium. How much happy. Let alone all the things we haven't seen, or have only seen snippets of...like the Camden aftershow.

Not like I love my guitar....
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Reply #14 posted 08/27/16 3:57pm

CAL3

jayseajay said:

I agree that nothing should be changed/remixed/finished etc, but I don't agree that it shouldn't be released. For one, it seems P deliberately didn't make a decision about what would happen to the contents of the vault, and if he had had a clear intention, he would have made that known on the multiple times he was asked about it, rather he was 'that decision will be made by other people.' Second, he wasn't always the best judge of what should be released and what shouldn't...there are hours and hours and probably years worth of concert footage and soundboard recordings in there and I want them all...and as we also know, some of the unreleased tracks are stellar, who knows what else is in there that didn't make it out. I don't want them finished, but I do want to hear them

I predict that the someone will insist on "finishing" unreleased material - in some way. Any decision - even just the way these tracks are mixed and mastered - will be a decision obviously Prince isn't making. Even if no post-production work is applied to unreleased material, the process of deciding what should or should not be selected for official release is potentially problematic. My point is that I don't believe anyone in charge is going to get things "right."

I'm talking primarily about studio recordings. I think if someone prepared complete concert tapes and didn't do any post-production, autotuning, overdubs, etc - outside of creating a balanced mix - then those could be valuable releases. What I dread is the creation of new "albums" - assembled by people who couldn't possibly know exactly what Prince wanted (if anything).

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Reply #15 posted 08/27/16 5:30pm

OperatingTheta
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CAL3 said:

I hope nothing ever officially comes out from the Vault. Unless some kind of official directions/documents, writtten by Prince himself, surface. I'm not interested in "the Estate" or anyone else's version of a "Prince album."






Only Prince was able to make those kinds of decisions. In lieu of any specific directive on his part regarding unreleased material, I tend to be in the Sinead camp (more or less). I don't think the Vault contents should be "cremated" as Sinead called for. But I don't believe his unreleased music should be ransacked, remixed, re-produced, sequenced, etc in ways that we'll never, ever know if Prince wanted.






I do agree with the basic sentiment that any posthumous releases are essentially a form of graverobbing - I don't judge consumers for purchasing releases like this. I bought those nasty MJ compilations too. I've bought posthumous releases by other artists. And I liked some of them (there was an incredibly tasteful "new" Ray Charles album called 'Rare Genius' that included newly recorded parts added to complete previously unfinished work).






For me, the difference is simple: artists like MJ and Ray - or Elvis or Frank, for that matter - relied on outside producers, arrangers, composers throughout their careers. Not in all cases, but to varying degrees. It doesn't make that "Michael" travesty any more valid as an album. Or the sickening "Xscape" (although I didn't mind the unaltered originals, relegated to a "bonus" disc in a special edition).






But Prince was, to an unprecedented degree, autonomous. I don't trust anyone to do posthumous releases "right" because... well, because they aren't him. No one but Prince himself knew which songs might surface. And no one but Prince can make decisions about how the songs should sound in officially released versions - in other words, no one at all can now make those decisions.



Prince finished the vast majority of tracks in the vault and most are fully produced. There are also entire albums of unreleased material that are fully conceived and sequenced.

As long as these are released 'as is' I don't see any issues. Prince kept and maintained these vaults for a reason. He also recorded way more music than he knew he'd release in his lifetime.
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Reply #16 posted 08/27/16 5:31pm

bluegangsta

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It's been 4 months. Sit your impatient ass down.

Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain.
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Reply #17 posted 08/28/16 12:14pm

bonatoc

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Vannormal said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

You should be grateful for what has been shared.

Oh I am grateful, be sure.

I've never listened, watched, sang along to his music so much since he's dead.

-

I just can't get over the fact that Prince is no more, and all that (BS that) comes with it.

The only thing left seems to be chaos (from the official camp).

-

I'm not one to cry easily... but this feels like such an unbelievable and irreplaceable loss.

And I don't know how to deal with it. Honestly.

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I just miss new news and music.

A fan can mourn. Right ?


I'm pretty sure you didn't collect all the Vault's Pokemons yet.

Mosey over on princevault.com, see what's missing from your hard drives, and then go hunt.

When you're done, you can start with the live performances.

Chances are, you may be long gone before going through it all (that said, I sure wish you a happy, healthy and long life).

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #18 posted 08/30/16 6:32pm

luvsexy4all

why isnt the estate jumping on the desire for NEW music....? anything ...a live show...rehearsal ....just to feed the addiction

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Reply #19 posted 08/30/16 11:42pm

bluegangsta

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luvsexy4all said:

why isnt the estate jumping on the desire for NEW music....? anything ...a live show...rehearsal ....just to feed the addiction

Probably because it's only been four months.

Always cry 4 love, never cry 4 pain.
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Reply #20 posted 08/31/16 12:12am

FunkiestOne

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Vannormal said:

Don't U just miss the good old times ? New music released every few weeks/months?

-

Prince is dead.
There will never B new music coming up on a regular basis.

I miss it sooo much.

And all the crap theories going around here on the ORG about uninteresting issues since he's dead...

-
And what happened to all the unheard unreleased music that some of us seems to own but don't want to share ? What about that ? It seems so unreal to not have new leaks...

-

What sad sour times for Prince fans that are in for the music.
Probably they will release something within a year. Something old, with a few new versions.

I'm affraid that will be tempo for years to come.

So sad.

Prince never released new music every few weeks/months. He didn't even release an album for 4 years not long ago. You are exaggerating and romanticizing the past.

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And the estate's goal is to maximize revenue while doing justice to Prince's legacy. It is not to satisfy your impatience.

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Reply #21 posted 08/31/16 11:20am

luvsexy4all

FunkiestOne said:

Vannormal said:

Don't U just miss the good old times ? New music released every few weeks/months?

-

Prince is dead.
There will never B new music coming up on a regular basis.

I miss it sooo much.

And all the crap theories going around here on the ORG about uninteresting issues since he's dead...

-
And what happened to all the unheard unreleased music that some of us seems to own but don't want to share ? What about that ? It seems so unreal to not have new leaks...

-

What sad sour times for Prince fans that are in for the music.
Probably they will release something within a year. Something old, with a few new versions.

I'm affraid that will be tempo for years to come.

So sad.

Prince never released new music every few weeks/months. He didn't even release an album for 4 years not long ago. You are exaggerating and romanticizing the past.

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And the estate's goal is to maximize revenue while doing justice to Prince's legacy. It is not to satisfy your impatience.

true ..but NOW its different...."he" can release anything cause there's so much

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Reply #22 posted 08/31/16 12:54pm

thanks2joniand
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I'm still waiting for Phase 3 to drop. I know, so silly but I was loving so much of his most recent output (though not a fan of most of pHASE 1). AOA and Phase 2 have some of his best songs on them. IMO.

[Edited 8/31/16 12:55pm]

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Reply #23 posted 09/02/16 11:29am

Vannormal

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CAL3 said:

I hope nothing ever officially comes out from the Vault. Unless some kind of official directions/documents, writtten by Prince himself, surface. I'm not interested in "the Estate" or anyone else's version of a "Prince album."



Only Prince was able to make those kinds of decisions. In lieu of any specific directive on his part regarding unreleased material, I tend to be in the Sinead camp (more or less). I don't think the Vault contents should be "cremated" as Sinead called for. But I don't believe his unreleased music should be ransacked, remixed, re-produced, sequenced, etc in ways that we'll never, ever know if Prince wanted.



I do agree with the basic sentiment that any posthumous releases are essentially a form of graverobbing - I don't judge consumers for purchasing releases like this. I bought those nasty MJ compilations too. I've bought posthumous releases by other artists. And I liked some of them (there was an incredibly tasteful "new" Ray Charles album called 'Rare Genius' that included newly recorded parts added to complete previously unfinished work).



For me, the difference is simple: artists like MJ and Ray - or Elvis or Frank, for that matter - relied on outside producers, arrangers, composers throughout their careers. Not in all cases, but to varying degrees. It doesn't make that "Michael" travesty any more valid as an album. Or the sickening "Xscape" (although I didn't mind the unaltered originals, relegated to a "bonus" disc in a special edition).



But Prince was, to an unprecedented degree, autonomous. I don't trust anyone to do posthumous releases "right" because... well, because they aren't him. No one but Prince himself knew which songs might surface. And no one but Prince can make decisions about how the songs should sound in officially released versions - in other words, no one at all can now make those decisions.

Now this is exactly how i'd like to put it myself. Thank you for that. My english isn't good enoough o put it this way.

imagine a remix album done by others of Prince classics... :'(

Anything without his approval or his 'hand' certainly will be just a filler for the bank and the estate.

I'm sure the estate will coast loads of money, and for what i've read so far, they're about to release a new greatest hits album - again !

Nuff said.

I'm just so unhappy with the whole situation.

I don't like to call Prince an ashole, but why the fuck didn't he have a will... Unbelievable, and unbelievably stupid. Why didn't he trusted people a bit more around him ?!

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I'm recovering from cancer, Leukemia.

It's been2 years and 10 months now, and it looks i'm winning this battle (for now).

One day in the hospital when i was in treatment in a quarentaine rooom/cell, I received a couple of doctors and a lawyer who explained me everything concerning a will, euthanasia and funeral arrangements. Not because i was about to die, no. Just because it's always good to have things arranged beforehand 'in case of', etc... And that's what i did.

Next week I will be 50 years old. Check ! wink

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It's so much more safe and adult to have things arranged. Now I absolutely don't have so much money as prince does, nor do i have valueable material like he has. But one thing I know, I was happy after this interesting and well organised talk with these doctors and layer (it was free by the way - this is how it works over here in Belgium), about something so much important in life like having a will. At some point everyone should have one.

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I do hope they will release some untouched demos or simply the recordings like he intended to do so.

Certainly he has albums ready in the vault.

The only people i trust in guiding prince's music are people of the revolution, and only for the music they recorded together in their era.

Kirk J I don't trust that much for instance for his time with Prince. The same goes for Jam and Lewis.

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The beatles releases tons of raw and untouched material over the years. Paul McCartney thought it was only fair to do so.

Maybe one day people will realise this is the best way to release all this interesting Prince material so people can study it, in the same way we're able to do so right now with the Beatles back catalogue.

I only hope.... (I don't pray. Fuck any invented god for that matter.)

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
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Reply #24 posted 10/18/16 8:05am

CAL3

Vannormal said:

I'm recovering from cancer, Leukemia.

It's been2 years and 10 months now, and it looks i'm winning this battle (for now).

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That is truly amazing - thank you for sharing that, and I'm so happy you have been doing well.

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It is nice to see we are in agreement about the importance of releasing any Prince vault material in its original untouched state.

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Some folks have been carring on about how "Prince left much work that was 'finished' and 'produced'" etc, etc.

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This is categorically untrue.

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Nothing is finished until it is released. See Prince's own tinkering with vault material for the 'Crystal Ball' compilation. Even releasing something 'as is' does not necessarily represent Prince's final vision for a given song or album.

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That said, even if we can agree that the vault material - "as is" - is as close to "finished" as it can ever get... One simply cannot discount the possibility (probability?) that it will be altered in some way before it reaches the public.

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Again, Vannormal, best wishes to you in your continuing recovery.

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Reply #25 posted 10/18/16 8:13am

luvsexy4all

feening for the funk...

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