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Reply #150 posted 08/23/16 9:33am

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captiveunicorn said:

Despite the obvious changes in his body since 2014

Good post captiveunicorn, well thought out, but "obvious changes in his body"? They were not obvious to those actually around him. Please provide some evidence of these obvious changes. If the evidence is crappy video frames of him performing in bad light and strange shadow while performing purple rain, or pics off giant afros and loose clothes that give the appearance of thinness to the face and body......those dont count.

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Reply #151 posted 08/23/16 9:37am

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Two of the band mates (can't remember the names, sorry) said in an interview They knew Prince had started having seizures again (thus, the need for xanax, which is what I also take for seizures) and had a heart murmur. I was told he was severely anemic, white blood count was very high.

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That is quite a list of issues.

High white blood count means he was quite ill.

But there was no mention of him taking medications against that?

Or what was the cause of the white cell count.

There's two bits of information about his blood here:

That his red blood cells count was low which caused the Anaemia.
That his White blood cell count was high which indicates an infection in the body.
I think that the doctor S was maybe treating him for the above? The police would not be interested as these are routine issues and he may have been prescribed meds for this. Also high White blood cells warrants further investigation so perhaps that's what the test results were for. The Anaemia I can understand as it's fairly common but the reason for the high White blood cells not so much, it can be caused by fairly harmless things or serious issues.

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Reply #152 posted 08/23/16 9:38am

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i think since the report said prince had pills mixed in a bottle with a few of them being fentanyl, that he did not know it contain that, why would someone knowingly mix there pills ,how would he know which pill was fentanyl,which has me believeing he was slipped this by someone close to him, because not many even knew he was taking pills. someone wanted him dead.

Not really. I think that P was getting the hydrocodone pills off the black market or maybe he had a mixture of old legitimate pills and black market pills. Some of the ones that he got off the black market contained fentanyl and some did not, but they all were labeled the same as legitimate hydrocodone(vicodin). So as far as he knew they were all the same pills. He had no idea that any of the pills contained fentanyl.

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Reply #153 posted 08/23/16 9:38am

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the only thing i've ever read prince mention in an interview (or was it a tv interview?)
was that he suffered from vertigo. (no, it's not a fear of hights)

i don't remember when that was though. i want to say 2009, but i'm not sure. does
anyone remember?

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Reply #154 posted 08/23/16 9:40am

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Have read most of both threads. Everytime a new piece of information has come out, I've had to try and reconcile it. Now that the immediate shock of this is wearing off a bit, this is how I'm thinking about this:

P saw what happened to Michael Jackson. People are on record as saying he was deeply shaken by that. If he started having serious pain issues he might not have trusted a Doctor to prescribe for him fearing going down that route/someone else controlling his health and state of mind. Also vaguely remember hearing that he did not trust doctors re: Mayte's pregnancy (though I can't find a source for that so it might have just been speculation).

I gather that pretty much anything is available on the darkweb. P was always at the forefront of online technology. I suspect he would have known how to access the darkweb and self medicate. Being someone who was curious and intelligent and wanted to make himself knowledgeable on topics he was interested in, it is not outside the realms of possibility to me that he might have found out how much of what he should take and self medicated.

The problem with my reasoning/thinking here is the alternative explanations: he was shaken by MJ's death bc was also addicted to painkillers at that point and he was frightened he might be following the same path. Despite all our speculation, no one is on record as having been told by P he was in pain or had any other underlying conditions (in fact quite the opposite - even Judith Hill says she had no idea he was in pain and he never told her he was). Yet Judith was apparently instrumental in getting him hooked up with Kornfield the addiction specialist, who he agreed to see. So why pretend you're not in pain yet agree to see an addiction specialist?

The simplest explanation - and the one I wish the most wasn't true - is probably that P got addicted to painkillers after his hip surgery, couldn't get off them, and resorted to blackmarket drugs. Makes me sad but there we are. Up until now I wanted to believe he was prescribed the pain meds he died from for an underlying condition (like cancer), but now it seems the meds were not prescribed. They were also purposefully disguised, and as much as I hate to admit, that is addict behaviour. Despite the obvious changes in his body since 2014 it seems unlikely now to me that he was taking these meds for a condition like cancer, bc if he did have cancer, why has no one come out and said that?

This is where my thoughts are at right now but new information if/when it drops will probably change my mind yet again... hope I will be proven wrong confused

Probably the most plausible line of thinking I have read on this thread. I'm with you.

There is a YouTube interview with Tavis Smiley hawking his MJ book where he gets really angry about the Prince/drugs stories and talks about hip pain he was dealing with. The inference was clear - whatever he was taking was for pain not shits and giggles. Of course if Prince was on medication then he probably wouldn't be mentioning pain to people like Judith. Even if the underlying pain was still there the brain would be thinking otherwise. Her comment doesn't surprise me. I still think this was pain management gone horribly wrong and until proven otherwise I don't believe he knowingly took whatever it was that killed him. That's why I think the Sherrif said no reason to suspect suicide and the ME report listed it as an accidental overdose.

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Reply #155 posted 08/23/16 9:40am

laurarichardso n	IstenSzek said: the only thing i've ever read prince mention in an interview (or was it a tv interview?) was that he suffered from vertigo. (no, it's not a fear of hights) i don't remember when that was though. i want to say 2009, but i'm not sure. does anyone remember? -- He say he had seizures as a child and they did seizure meds in his system.
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Reply #156 posted 08/23/16 9:42am

LuxLove	Just read a comment on Dr. F FB about Britney Spears being drugged - I'd put all that in the back of my mind but remember the situation. I'm not saying Prince was drugged but this shit does happen. Just saying.
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Reply #157 posted 08/23/16 9:42am

PurpleDiamonds 1	Just to clear up why I believe foul play Prince most likely had a PAIN problem...not an addiction problem... He was taking hydrocodone for that reason. The part that bothers me is the obvious the hydrocodone he happened to take on the 20th was made to look like the real deal but was not. Seems like someone was trying to fool him into thinking that.
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Reply #158 posted 08/23/16 9:43am

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captiveunicorn said:

Despite the obvious changes in his body since 2014

Good post captiveunicorn, well thought out, but "obvious changes in his body"? They were not obvious to those actually around him. Please provide some evidence of these obvious changes. If the evidence is crappy video frames of him performing in bad light and strange shadow while performing purple rain, or pics off giant afros and loose clothes that give the appearance of thinness to the face and body.....those dont count.

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I don't know about 2014 but late 2015 into 2016 he definitely did not look very healthy at least not at P&M shows.

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Reply #159 posted 08/23/16 9:44am

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Probably the most plausible line of thinking I have read on this thread. I'm with you.

There is a YouTube interview with Tavis Smiley hawking his MJ book where he gets really angry about the Prince/drugs stories and talks about hip pain he was dealing with. The inference was clear - whatever he was taking was for pain not shits and giggles. Of course if Prince was on medication then he probably wouldn't be mentioning pain to people like Judith. Even if the underlying pain was still there the brain would be thinking otherwise. Her comment doesn't surprise me. I still think this was pain management gone horribly wrong and until proven otherwise I don't believe he knowingly took whatever it was that killed him. That's why I think the Sherrif said no reason to suspect suicide and the ME report listed it as an accidental overdose.

-- The police have looked at his entire medical file at this point they would know about any surgery he had what the docs had to say about pain mgmt and even if he got off of meds. They developed a picture of the stituation to work their case. I think he was and he got taken advantage of and maybe in over his head.

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Reply #160 posted 08/23/16 9:44am

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joelmarable said:

i think since the report said prince had pills mixed in a bottle with a few of them being fentanyl, that he did not know it contain that, why would someone knowingly mix there pills ,how would he know which pill was fentanyl,which has me believeing he was slipped this by someone close to him, because not many even knew he was taking pills. someone wanted him dead.

Exactly, not to mention that the amount of fentanyl in 'one single pill' was enough to kill anyone. Someone correct me if I am wrong on that.

No where does it say that all of the fentanyl in Prince's system was the result of 1 pill. He could have taken multiple pills, thinking he was taking hydrocodone, and by the fentanyl being more potent, it killed him.

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Reply #161 posted 08/23/16 9:44am

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IstenSzek said:

the only thing i've ever read prince mention in an interview (or was it a tv interview?)
was that he suffered from vertigo. (no, it's not a fear of hights)

i don't remember when that was though. i want to say 2009, but i'm not sure. does
anyone remember?

-- He say he had seizures as a child and they did seizure meds in his system.

He also said an angel appeared to him at night and told him he was cured. Here is the article where Prince talks about it.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/prince-reveals-battled-epilepsy-child-rare-interview-angel-told-article-1.365280

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Reply #162 posted 08/23/16 9:44am

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herb4 said:

They didn't "clean up his house" because it was a crime scene - or a death scene anyway. If they were complicit in any way it would have looked WORSE if they had cleaned it up and would have raised more suspicions. When my mother attempted suicide I left everything just like I'd found it - pills, booze, drugs, note... everything. I was interviewed for maybe 10 minutes and that was it.

If I had tossed any of that stuff I'm certain it would have taken much much longer than 10 minutes to be interviewed and cleared. Leaving the place as it was was smart and, more importantly, the legal thing to do. It's what an innocent person would do.

-- Some of you leave sheltered lives. The paramedics took his body away and his family came in to the building the police left at this point Breamer Trusts is not even involved it is the families job to secure the premises at that point. if you don't think families clean up evidence in that time period you are smoking crack. I think they were really clueless about what was going on. [Edited 8/23/16 9:38am]

its not their property...they cant just come in and waltz around..also, in a death investigation the scene of the death would probably be sealed until all warrants and subsequent seraches are excuted esp iif the ME hadnt issued a cause of death yet..I could be wrong

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Reply #163 posted 08/23/16 9:45am

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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

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Or folks that wont even consider the real possibility that all this stuff was planted after the fact by whoever offed him to create the appearance of someone with a serious problem who is out of control.

Yes to that.. Also thought maybe that is why the family did not clean up his house....

They didn't "clean up his house" because it was a crime scene - or a death scene anyway. If they were complicit in any way it would have looked WORSE if they had cleaned it up and would have raised more suspicions. When my mother attempted suicide I left everything just like I'd found it - pills, booze, drugs, note... everything. I was interviewed for maybe 10 minutes and that was it.

If I had tossed any of that stuff I'm certain it would have taken much much longer than 10 minutes to be interviewed and cleared. Leaving the place as it was was smart and, more importantly, the legal thing to do. It's what an innocent person would do.

Agree
They still could have cleaned up after the investigation
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Reply #164 posted 08/23/16 9:46am

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captiveunicorn said:

Despite the obvious changes in his body since 2014

Good post captiveunicorn, well thought out, but "obvious changes in his body"? They were not obvious to those actually around him. Please provide some evidence of these obvious changes. If the evidence is crappy video frames of him performing in bad light and strange shadow while performing purple rain, or pics off giant afros and loose clothes that give the appearance of thinness to the face and body......those dont count.

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I don't know about 2014 but late 2015 into 2016 he definitely did not look very healthy at least not at P&M shows.

Right and that is where all this speculation is coming from, from the horrible frames and videos from those shows with the crazy shadow light. I have heard many accounts of folks actually there, folks in the front few rows, that state he looked and moved like an amazingly healthy person.

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Reply #165 posted 08/23/16 9:48am

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I had already accepted that Prince had an addiction/dependency problem. I was hoping he hadn't gone the illegal route to satisfy it. He did and it killed him. I'm really hoping all this isn't behind some issue of his trying to hang on to youth so much so that he began relaxing his personal standards trying to accommendate it, but truthfully that concerned me about his behavior long before his death. Would love to be wrong, Would love to know he had a definite goal he was trying to achieve before taking a step back so he pushed it all into over-drive. But no matter how this turns out this is becoming one of the saddest stories told.

I dont think its just a Prince holding on to his youth (although it could be) . People who have been exposed to this degree of superstardom would go to any lengths to keep such things quiet. I would. I think Elvis had the same probelm of covering up his massive druge use. When you are known for having an anti-drug image, getting conventional help is not an option. The fall and shame would be to great to bare. At the last moment , someone was tying to convince him but I will bet that he agreed to it kicking and screaming.

I don't think he would have been kicking and screaming. In the beginning of this I might have saw him that way but now I don't see him that way at all. Resistant? Highly likely. Throwing a fit? Probably not.

One hand I think he did anything in his power not to have to let go until he dropped, on the other hand he could have had so much on his plate that he keep up appearances and just barreled through.

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Reply #166 posted 08/23/16 9:49am

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I gather that pretty much anything is available on the darkweb. P was always at the forefront of online technology. I suspect he would have known how to access the darkweb and self medicate. Being someone who was curious and intelligent and wanted to make himself knowledgeable on topics he was interested in, it is not outside the realms of possibility to me that he might have found out how much of what he should take and self medicated.

Never mind the dark web just read reddit! Remember someone here linked to a reddit page which was discussing that U-4770 drug & a post mentioned "the artist formally known as prince". I looked around a little bit & there were instructions for getting drugs online etc.

Dark web access is piss easy also. I spent about 10 mins on it before I saw shit I did not want to see & bolted faster than Usain lol lol lol

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Reply #167 posted 08/23/16 9:54am

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I don't buy the drug bs! I never will. He was always against drugs and why would he go down the same path as MJ to be taken advantage of. He was smarter than that. On the down lo, I think he is retired. He admired Sly Stone and that is what makes sense to me by what he said to us at the Rainbow Children 2001 Celebration on the last night he spoke to us for over 30 minutes about the music industry and owning masters. 35 years was up in 2013 and he now owned his masters. Time to check out while you own it.

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The media on the tv was saying needle was found where he shot up the fentinyl weeks ago when autopsy came out. So whatever.????

I don't believe any of it anyway. But they are layering up the lies to confuse everybody. That is thier job. It's ok. But all this stuff portrays him negatively. I don't like that. The person I knew most of my life is totally different and opposite of what they are saying BACKWARDS about him now! I'm going with what I know and always known for almost 35 years.

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The media bs can kiss my fat white ass! Layer apron layer of filth just to try and confuse us! They must think we r stupid! This story chaos and disorder! Because we r catching on to the truth and they have no choice than to spin such backwards bs! First it's flu then it's shoot up fentinyl now it's pills instead? Make up ur freakin mind already cause we know it's bs anyway! It's almost like prince himself it's laughing up a storm trying to make fans think he would put clothes on backwards! Monkeys just flew out my but too! [Edited 8/22/16 22:14pm]

Where did it ever say it was "shoot up" fentanyl" anywhere in the press or in official statements?

And the claims about 'flu came from |prince's own camp to explain why he cancelled those concerts. Nothing to do with the press apart from the fact that they reported what they were told.

It was reported that Prince died of a "self-administered" fentanyl over dose -it did not say be what means or route did it? This was a direct quote from the police and given as cause of death on his death certificate.

There was plenty of speculation on here at the time about what form of fentanyl it was - even some suggestions that he was sucking on fentanyl lollipops which seemed ridicuoius to me at the time.

That speculation was based upon the legally licensed products. If some on here suggested he was injecting that has nothing to do with the press - I thought he must have been using the patches.

I have to say adulterated illicit tablets made to look like another product altogether never even entered my head.

However, I do not see why that is BS, several people have posted that there is a genuine issue with adulterated tablets and that several people have died across the US in recent months - so why is it BS?

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Reply #168 posted 08/23/16 10:00am

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the only thing i've ever read prince mention in an interview (or was it a tv interview?)
was that he suffered from vertigo. (no, it's not a fear of hights)

i don't remember when that was though. i want to say 2009, but i'm not sure. does
anyone remember?

Yes I remember he said that. I now have vertigo coz of nosebleed seats at the 02, & he said that after I got it. So it was def after the 02 run he said that.

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IstenSzek said:

the only thing i've ever read prince mention in an interview (or was it a tv interview?)
was that he suffered from vertigo. (no, it's not a fear of hights)

i don't remember when that was though. i want to say 2009, but i'm not sure. does
anyone remember?

Yes I remember he said that. I now have vertigo coz of nosebleed seats at the 02, & he said that after I got it. So it was def after the 02 run he said that.

Seizure mention in interview
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/prince-reveals-battled-epilepsy-child-rare-interview-angel-told-article-1.365280

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Reply #170 posted 08/23/16 10:02am

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rogifan said:

leadline said:

captiveunicorn said:

Despite the obvious changes in his body since 2014

Good post captiveunicorn, well thought out, but "obvious changes in his body"? They were not obvious to those actually around him. Please provide some evidence of these obvious changes. If the evidence is crappy video frames of him performing in bad light and strange shadow while performing purple rain, or pics off giant afros and loose clothes that give the appearance of thinness to the face and body.....those dont count.

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I don't know about 2014 but late 2015 into 2016 he definitely did not look very healthy at least not at P&M shows.

Right and that is where all this speculation is coming from, from the horrible frames and videos from those shows with the crazy shadow light. I have heard many accounts of folks actually there, folks in the front few rows, that state he looked and moved like an amazingly healthy person.

I'm going completely off looks. I wasn't at any of those shows but listened to most of them and his voice and playing was amazing. But I don't think he looked healthy. Maybe not on deaths door but still not healthy.

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Reply #171 posted 08/23/16 10:06am

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leadline said:

NinaB said:

IstenSzek said:

the only thing i've ever read prince mention in an interview (or was it a tv interview?)
was that he suffered from vertigo. (no, it's not a fear of hights)

i don't remember when that was though. i want to say 2009, but i'm not sure. does
anyone remember?

Yes I remember he said that. I now have vertigo coz of nosebleed seats at the 02, & he said that after I got it. So it was def after the 02 run he said that.

Seizure mention in interview
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/prince-reveals-battled-epilepsy-child-rare-interview-angel-told-article-1.365280

Anyone I've ever known on valium were prescribed it 4 their nerves. Epilepsy runs in my fam & I've had friends/ acquaintances with it, they weren't prescribed valium 4 it.

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Reply #172 posted 08/23/16 10:09am

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...& there was something said about dealing with chronic pain brings on anxiety in the body too. That docs often prescribe anxiety meds with pain meds 2 people with chronic pain.

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Reply #173 posted 08/23/16 10:13am

LuxLove	Is this synergy person the only one who mentioned blood stuff? Where did it come from? My brain is fried with this shit.
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LuxLove said:

Is this synergy person the only one who mentioned blood stuff? Where did it come from? My brain is fried with this shit.

Same here. confused whofarted

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Reply #175 posted 08/23/16 10:20am

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LuxLove said:

Is this synergy person the only one who mentioned blood stuff? Where did it come from? My brain is fried with this shit.

Same here. confused whofarted

I can't, trying 2 dodge the twilight zone shit.
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Reply #176 posted 08/23/16 10:23am

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purplethunder3121 said:

Same here.

I can't, trying 2 dodge the twilight zone shit. [Edited 8/23/16 10:20am]

zzz zzzzsnk what?! sorry, fell asleep there after my 24 hour vigil wink i think i might need to step away from the thread for awhile..

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Reply #177 posted 08/23/16 10:23am

If only we could lock Kirk and Meron in a room with a lie detector test I think we'd have all our answers. There's a reason those two lawyered up. wink

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Reply #178 posted 08/23/16 10:25am

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XxAxX said:

NinaB said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Same here.

I can't, trying 2 dodge the twilight zone shit. [Edited 8/23/16 10:20am]

zzz zzzzsnk what?! sorry, fell asleep there after my 24 hour vigil wink

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...some bonafide loons on here girl, I'm tryna wade thru. Shit gave me a headache the other day.

"We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15

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PurpleDiamonds1 said:
leadline said: Yes to that.. Also thought maybe that is why the family did not clean up his house....

They didn't "clean up his house" because it was a crime scene - or a death scene anyway. If they were complicit in any way it would have looked WORSE if they had cleaned it up and would have raised more suspicions. When my mother attempted suicide I left everything just like I'd found it - pills, booze, drugs, note... everything. I was interviewed for maybe 10 minutes and that was it.

If I had tossed any of that stuff I'm certain it would have taken much much longer than 10 minutes to be interviewed and cleared. Leaving the place as it was was smart and, more importantly, the legal thing to do. It's what an innocent person would do.

Man herv4, I am sorry about your mother and you had to deal with that scene. My heart goes out to you!!

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