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Reply #1230 posted 08/22/16 3:56am

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I am pretty sure I linked to a story on this issue back in April. That there were several deaths and many more ODs due to Oxy pills containing Fentanayl.

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Reply #1231 posted 08/22/16 4:00am

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CROWNS1 said:

Prince was seeing a doctor because of pain medication addiction. He started treatment on April 7th. People are dropping like flies because of street opiates being laced with other drugs, yet people get on here and act like Prince was the only one to have had this happen and put the tin foil hats on and conjure up a murder plot. The sad truth is that he got addicted to opiates and was buying them from unsafe sources and fell victim to what so many are falling victim to. The sad thing is that if he had sought the correct type of help, and not from some ob/gyn doctor, he would probably still be here. It's so unfortunate. Someone asked about what he overdosed on prior if no fentanyl was in his system prior. The shelf life is 17 hours for Fentanyl. So a few days and it would have been out of his system. Gotta hand it to him, he was one strong man to even attempt to cold turkey these drugs.

yeahthat Well said. I do agree, however, that whoever is making this stuff available to the public should be shut down, and prosecuted if possible. Such a shame. [Edited 8/22/16 3:56am]

No it is not well said. They can tell from the hair test if he had been a long term user. The hair test can go back 3 months. They are going to base any criminal case that happens on the fact that he was not a long term user of Fentanyl and that someone gave him bad pills. They are calling this an accidental overdose for a reason. I do not care how strong you think P was he would have been dead a long time ago if he was using Fentanyl for years. Can't believe people are still saying this.

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Reply #1232 posted 08/22/16 4:02am

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So these were Kirk's and he gave them to Prince? confused

Proxy subscriptions are sometimes legal sometimes not... but if these were street drugs or counterfit then Kirk could very well face manslauter charges.


here is the link I posted April 27

http://kron4.com/2016/04/...alifornia/



from this topic

http://prince.org/msg/7/4...?&pg=1

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Reply #1233 posted 08/22/16 4:02am

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The oxy in a dressing room labelled for someone else could just be someone else's.

I wonder how much fentanyl was in those pills and how many he took to get enough to kill anyone.

The hydrocodone and codeine fakes seem strange. Loads of people have this stuff from legit sources. It would seem easier and safer to get the doctor he was seeing from the 7th (that so many think was for withdrawal) to prescribe something - I mean if you are seeing a local doctor for withdrawal you are not embarrassed about pain pills or reluctant to see a doctor. There is also not going to be any big outcry if there is a leak of this info (I mean who would care, it is hardly headline stuff). He also had connections in pain managment and withdrawal already through the other people he had helped get off drugs. "P: Doc, I'm really struggling to withdraw from these dodgy street drugs that caused me to OD earlier this week - Dr S: oh, OK, I'll run some blood tests but give you no controlled drugs to wean you off slowly or to help with your symptoms. You have to wait for this guy from Cali with some buprenorphine" just does not seem right.

It would be interesting to know if they did test his hair to see what drugs he had been taking previously.

It seems very unlikely he took fentanyl before. If it had been the first time on the plane he would have been looking at these pills in a whole different light. If he had been a regular user there is no way he would have withdrawn cold turkey after the plane and been out and about in the mood he was that week.

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Reply #1234 posted 08/22/16 4:06am

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sunset3121 said:

The oxy in a dressing room labelled for someone else could just be someone else's.

I wonder how much fentanyl was in those pills and how many he took to get enough to kill anyone.

The hydrocodone and codeine fakes seem strange. Loads of people have this stuff from legit sources. It would seem easier and safer to get the doctor he was seeing from the 7th (that so many think was for withdrawal) to prescribe something - I mean if you are seeing a local doctor for withdrawal you are not embarrassed about pain pills or reluctant to see a doctor. There is also not going to be any big outcry if there is a leak of this info (I mean who would care, it is hardly headline stuff). He also had connections in pain managment and withdrawal already through the other people he had helped get off drugs. "P: Doc, I'm really struggling to withdraw from these dodgy street drugs that caused me to OD earlier this week - Dr S: oh, OK, I'll run some blood tests but give you no controlled drugs to wean you off slowly or to help with your symptoms. You have to wait for this guy from Cali with some buprenorphine" just does not seem right.

It would be interesting to know if they did test his hair to see what drugs he had been taking previously.

It seems very unlikely he took fentanyl before. If it had been the first time on the plane he would have been looking at these pills in a whole different light. If he had been a regular user there is no way he would have withdrawn cold turkey after the plane and been out and about in the mood he was that week.

Please go back and read the article. We know he was seeing doctor S for withdrawals. We know the pills were mis-labled and were full of Fentanyl enough they said to kill anyone. Of course the ME would do a hair test and use Dr. S test to see what history he had with F to make their claim of accidental over dose.

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Reply #1235 posted 08/22/16 4:08am

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laurarichardson said:

BlackandRising said:

I'm not given to conspriacy theories, but, damn, this sounds incredibly suspicious.

Found dead, in an elevator, with clothes on backwards, after taking a drug he obviously thought was safe, but contained a deady dose of fentanyl.

If he had a pill that was "mislabeled" or something to that effect, it must have been from an illicit source. If this was the case, and the same pills were being sold/given to others, I would assume there would be a number of fentanyl-related incidents/deaths around the same time. Or, heaven forbid, someone knowingly gave him a pill, labeled as hydrocodone, but was actually fentanyl.

If this was the case, and the same pills were being sold/given to others, I would assume there would be a number of fentanyl-related incidents/deaths around the same time.

Good question. If someone is selling them in the area have other people died from this in Minnesota?

yes. this article was published in march of 2016 related to fentanyl drugs ODs in MN:

http://www.startribune.com/officials-sound-the-alarm-over-deadly-synthetic-fentanyl-in-minnesota/374352711/

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Reply #1236 posted 08/22/16 4:13am

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ashleypaisley said:

"Prince was wearing a black shirt and pants — both were on backward — and his socks were inside-out, according to a source familiar with the case. A responding paramedic said Prince appeared to have been dead for at least six hours before his body was found." Star Tribune http://m.startribune.com/...390816101/

Something that bothers me is his family. Why did they not clean up his living quarters? if they are worried about his image you would think they would have went up to his quarters and cleaned things up. Why would pills be lying in his bags. If these are the same pills he had on the plane how come he did not flush them if he almost overdoesed on the plane.

The autopsy report said he had on black boxers and a shirt. Were did the backwards pants come from. How do you stick a pill bottle in your pants pocket if the pants are on backwards. Why get in an elavator to go downstairs if you do not feel well. Why not just call 911. Why were the secruity cameras off.

This could all be nothing or he could be something but anyone who thinks this case is adding up to a simple od is blind. The information we have was leaked for a reason. They either have hit a break wall and are trying to shake things up or an arrest is going to happen soon. I think even law enforcement knows that something is wrong but cannot get anyone to talk. I am still looking at his family with a side eye.

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Reply #1237 posted 08/22/16 4:13am

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laurarichardson said:

sunset3121 said:

The oxy in a dressing room labelled for someone else could just be someone else's.

I wonder how much fentanyl was in those pills and how many he took to get enough to kill anyone.

The hydrocodone and codeine fakes seem strange. Loads of people have this stuff from legit sources. It would seem easier and safer to get the doctor he was seeing from the 7th (that so many think was for withdrawal) to prescribe something - I mean if you are seeing a local doctor for withdrawal you are not embarrassed about pain pills or reluctant to see a doctor. There is also not going to be any big outcry if there is a leak of this info (I mean who would care, it is hardly headline stuff). He also had connections in pain managment and withdrawal already through the other people he had helped get off drugs. "P: Doc, I'm really struggling to withdraw from these dodgy street drugs that caused me to OD earlier this week - Dr S: oh, OK, I'll run some blood tests but give you no controlled drugs to wean you off slowly or to help with your symptoms. You have to wait for this guy from Cali with some buprenorphine" just does not seem right.

It would be interesting to know if they did test his hair to see what drugs he had been taking previously.

It seems very unlikely he took fentanyl before. If it had been the first time on the plane he would have been looking at these pills in a whole different light. If he had been a regular user there is no way he would have withdrawn cold turkey after the plane and been out and about in the mood he was that week.

Please go back and read the article. We know he was seeing doctor S for withdrawals. We know the pills were mis-labled and were full of Fentanyl enough they said to kill anyone. Of course the ME would do a hair test and use Dr. S test to see what history he had with F to make their claim of accidental over dose.

I read it Laura. I saw only assumptions of that, not any evidence. Can you point me to the part where it was said officially?

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Reply #1238 posted 08/22/16 4:15am

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XxAxX said:

laurarichardson said:

If this was the case, and the same pills were being sold/given to others, I would assume there would be a number of fentanyl-related incidents/deaths around the same time.

Good question. If someone is selling them in the area have other people died from this in Minnesota?

yes. this article was published in march of 2016 related to fentanyl drugs ODs in MN:

http://www.startribune.com/officials-sound-the-alarm-over-deadly-synthetic-fentanyl-in-minnesota/374352711/

But you will be able to analyze the drugs to tell if it is the same batch. I posted an article about this same situation in VA last week. A doctor was actually asked to stop prescribing Xanax because fake pills were traced back to his patients. He kept prescribing and they found he was involved in a drug ring.

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Reply #1239 posted 08/22/16 4:18am

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nevermind.

[Edited 8/22/16 4:20am]

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Reply #1240 posted 08/22/16 4:24am

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It was supposed to have been a patch- now I'm confused as well- And, I do not do drugs and I have never in my adult years put my damn clothes on backwards- even if they are yoga pants- smdh at all of this- Never thought I would be considering something shady happened to Prince but it is looking that way. Yes he could have hurriedly put his clothes on but why socks?

I agree with this, yes you can throw clothes on in a panic and hurry and maybe they are inside out or round the wrong way, but in a emergency would you seriously stop to put on socks when you are in your home? that part has me puzzled too

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Reply #1241 posted 08/22/16 4:24am

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laurarichardson said:


kmama07 said:


Why have the pills in mislabeled bottles? Because they were not prescribed to him/he didn't want people knowing he was taking them. I guess it's possible the pills he had could have been mismarked but either way they were illegally obtained and he had to have known that. And why is the famiily not seemingly actively questioning this? Or questioning whether or not he was truly alone that night, what happened to the supposed Dr Kirk referred him to, etc.? Too many weird loose ends that don't add up and even weirder that his family is being so tight-lipped.

The pills were mismarked according to law enforcement and whatever lab they took them to.


Apparently, these pills if they had been real are putting low level pain pills so he had no idea that he was taking something as strong Fentanyl and I said from the begining he could not have been taking soemthing as strong as Fentanyl. Looks like he was taking some light which would explain why he never seemed high or out it to people. The question his family should be asking his how got him these pills why were these bad and was he taking the hydrocone illegally before this incident.



What was he withdrawing from in the first place?

yes. So doesn't is seem strange this doesn't appear to be happening? I'm sure the family/friends have had this info longer than we have. My personal feeling: too many folks covering/keeping quiet for each other as to not disrupt the gravy train.
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Reply #1242 posted 08/22/16 4:27am

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These are the thoughts that crossed my mind about this report: 1. It's inconceivable that Prince was completely alone in that building. So if if an issue arose , any issue, he would deal with it himself? Who was tending the phones? who was locking up? Prince? 2. Where was he going with his clothes on backwards if the building was empty? There was no phone in his room? Then how come Damaris managed to wake him up with a phone call on that radio interview? All he had to do was stay put and call call 911 or whoever. No need to get into the lift as the person/Paramedics would have come up to him. 3. The only thing that bothers me about the clothes is the socks on inside out. Why would he even bother to put socks on in that state? Clothing maybe, for modesty sake, but socks? 4. We don't know if he was going up in the lift or down. However, if he dressed himself in a panic in his bedroom he was more than likely coming down. To what or whom? Did he call someone and tell them he would meet them downstairs and didn't make it? Who did he call? Did that person turn up? Were they going to take him in a car to the hospital? Is that why he was dressed in a hurry and in the lift? The whole scene is weird and doesn't make sense at all.

All excellent questions that are also going through my mind too.

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Reply #1243 posted 08/22/16 4:35am

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sunset3121 said:

laurarichardson said:

Please go back and read the article. We know he was seeing doctor S for withdrawals. We know the pills were mis-labled and were full of Fentanyl enough they said to kill anyone. Of course the ME would do a hair test and use Dr. S test to see what history he had with F to make their claim of accidental over dose.

I read it Laura. I saw only assumptions of that, not any evidence. Can you point me to the part where it was said officially?

Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.

Who do you think gave him those test?


The official did not elaborate on those tests. But at least one doctor, Michael Todd Schulenberg, saw Prince on April 7 and again on April 20, the day before he died.

According to a search warrant, he told a detective he had ordered tests for Prince and prescribed medications. Schulenberg's attorney, Amy Conners, has said patient-privacy laws do not allow her to say what the prescriptions were.

The search warrent was left open and the media reported that Dr S had confirmed he was treating Prince for withdrawals that found that DR S never prescribed any pain pills for him but only two other RX which that said earlier were filled at the Walgreens.

The autopsy report also shows Prince had diazepam, lidocaine and hydrocodone acids in his body, the official said. Diazepam is an anti-anxiety pill sold as Valium. It's a sedative and can also be used to control seizures, which Prince suffered from as a child. Lidocaine is a local anesthetic.

At this point they have pulled all of P medical records so the authorities no what was going on with him and they have hair samples that the ME may have used. Whatever test he had in Moline they used all of this to conclude he was not a long term user of F. The fact that if he was a long term user of H we do not know but if he was this is a low level pain killer and it would explain how he never seemed high and was able to get around.

It would also be interesting to find out if he ever had a an RX for it and just was put off of it for abuse or just decided on his own to find his own supply. Like I said something is fishy about someone working with a Dr to get off of pain pills and then having hordes of them on their person. We really would have to know if the was a long term user of the "H" to get a better idea of what was going on or what sort of test was Dr. S running.

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Reply #1244 posted 08/22/16 4:46am

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sunset3121 said:

The oxy in a dressing room labelled for someone else could just be someone else's.



I wonder how much fentanyl was in those pills and how many he took to get enough to kill anyone.


The hydrocodone and codeine fakes seem strange. Loads of people have this stuff from legit sources. It would seem easier and safer to get the doctor he was seeing from the 7th (that so many think was for withdrawal) to prescribe something - I mean if you are seeing a local doctor for withdrawal you are not embarrassed about pain pills or reluctant to see a doctor. There is also not going to be any big outcry if there is a leak of this info (I mean who would care, it is hardly headline stuff). He also had connections in pain managment and withdrawal already through the other people he had helped get off drugs. "P: Doc, I'm really struggling to withdraw from these dodgy street drugs that caused me to OD earlier this week - Dr S: oh, OK, I'll run some blood tests but give you no controlled drugs to wean you off slowly or to help with your symptoms. You have to wait for this guy from Cali with some buprenorphine" just does not seem right.


It would be interesting to know if they did test his hair to see what drugs he had been taking previously.


It seems very unlikely he took fentanyl before. If it had been the first time on the plane he would have been looking at these pills in a whole different light. If he had been a regular user there is no way he would have withdrawn cold turkey after the plane and been out and about in the mood he was that week.




Dr. Schulenberg couldn't legally prescribe buprenorphine. He was just a family doctor (Kirk's doctor) and probably in over his head.

http://www.startribune.co...378880371/
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Reply #1245 posted 08/22/16 4:53am

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sunset3121 said:



laurarichardson said:




sunset3121 said:


The oxy in a dressing room labelled for someone else could just be someone else's.



I wonder how much fentanyl was in those pills and how many he took to get enough to kill anyone.


The hydrocodone and codeine fakes seem strange. Loads of people have this stuff from legit sources. It would seem easier and safer to get the doctor he was seeing from the 7th (that so many think was for withdrawal) to prescribe something - I mean if you are seeing a local doctor for withdrawal you are not embarrassed about pain pills or reluctant to see a doctor. There is also not going to be any big outcry if there is a leak of this info (I mean who would care, it is hardly headline stuff). He also had connections in pain managment and withdrawal already through the other people he had helped get off drugs. "P: Doc, I'm really struggling to withdraw from these dodgy street drugs that caused me to OD earlier this week - Dr S: oh, OK, I'll run some blood tests but give you no controlled drugs to wean you off slowly or to help with your symptoms. You have to wait for this guy from Cali with some buprenorphine" just does not seem right.


It would be interesting to know if they did test his hair to see what drugs he had been taking previously.


It seems very unlikely he took fentanyl before. If it had been the first time on the plane he would have been looking at these pills in a whole different light. If he had been a regular user there is no way he would have withdrawn cold turkey after the plane and been out and about in the mood he was that week.





Please go back and read the article. We know he was seeing doctor S for withdrawals. We know the pills were mis-labled and were full of Fentanyl enough they said to kill anyone. Of course the ME would do a hair test and use Dr. S test to see what history he had with F to make their claim of accidental over dose.



I read it Laura. I saw only assumptions of that, not any evidence. Can you point me to the part where it was said officially?


The information about Prince being treated for withdrawals by Schulenberg came from an anonymous source in this article...

http://www.startribune.co...378880371/
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Reply #1246 posted 08/22/16 4:57am

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GhostChick said:

Or maybe Prince himself put the pills in a bottle and mislabled it something else, to hide it.

I mean, it could be that Prince very well hid his problem and his pills. Labeling the bottle something else would be a very good way to do that.

He was good at hiding everything else. Certainly not a stretch to do exactly this. People underestimate the lengths at which an addict/dependent will go to in order to conceal the behavior.

EXCEPT - officials are now saying medical tests prior to his death indicate he had no traces of Fentanyl in his system and not likely an abuser.

Hydrocodone and acetomenphine is more commonly known as "Tylenol with Codeine". Have you taken it? Many have and are not junkies. And how do we know one or two other prescription bottles found around PP weren't owned by staff? I know coworkers who keep prescriptions at the office.

This morning on CBS news - they are reporting this exact finding, stating it's likely he did not know what he was given or taking. And things will be getting more interesting.

He was far from perfect, but it's more probable than possible he was NOT a closet drug addict.

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Reply #1247 posted 08/22/16 4:59am

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No one is going to be indicted soon.


The Carver County Sheriff's Department doesnt even have someone "dedicated" to working the case full time.


The DEA said they have "havent assigned a time limit" on their investigation.


This means that have hit the wall.


This is why some detective who is frustrated gave info to the ST and other media outlets.


They just do not have enough evidence to charge anyone and/or insufficient evidence to take it to the Grand Jury.




If this is the case then I hope people stop leaking shit, the investigation ends, we get this tribute concert in October and we all start to find closure. Nothing is going to bring Prince back so at this point unless it was murder (which I don't think it was) I honestly don't care if someone gets charged or not. Not if it means this case goes on indefinitely and there's a constant drip drip drip of leaks.
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Reply #1248 posted 08/22/16 5:03am

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Kara said:

sunset3121 said:

I read it Laura. I saw only assumptions of that, not any evidence. Can you point me to the part where it was said officially?

The information about Prince being treated for withdrawals by Schulenberg came from an anonymous source in this article... http://www.startribune.co...378880371/

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A source with knowledge of the investigation told the Star Tribune on Friday that the doctor had been treating Prince for withdrawal symptoms from opioid addiction several weeks before his death. The source said the doctor did not prescribe opioids to the megastar.

The warrant, filed May 6, accidentally was left unsealed until Tuesday, when Carver County learned of the mistake and sent a copy of the order sealing it to the Hennepin County court administrator. The Star Tribune obtained a copy.

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This info came from that warrant along with information about interviewing Kirk who said that Prince had been in the hospital for treatement in 2014 and 2015 but he did not know for what.

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At this point these are the little things we only have small bits of info about but law enforcement has followed up on this stuff. They have reviewed all of Ps medical test and visit to get a picture of what was going on with him over the last few years. The info will leak out. I just think the family needs to come on out with it themselves. The authorities knew since June he was not a long term user of Fentanyl but the family said nothing and let the media run with the story.

They need to get a PR person and get on the move.

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Reply #1249 posted 08/22/16 5:06am

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teach49 said:




NinaB said:


Wasn't everyone saying it was a Fentanyl patch he self administered before? I'm confused

You know, people said that, but I don't think it was ever confirmed, even in a news article. I think it was an assumption.




People assumed that due to the fake article that was released with the fake drug dealer holding up a fentanyl patch. Yeah I say fake because that article came out way too fast and was way too detailed to be real. It was designed to plant a seed in folks minds so 5 weeks later when the autopsy results came out, folks would say, oh yeah, fentanyl patch, that makes sense, isnt that the same patch his drug dealer was holding up in that pic? Case closed.

Just my opinion of course, but that is the logic that makes sense to me. And honestly, what kind of autopsy report could ever rule that something was self administered, that sounds more like an assumption to me, which has no place in an autopsy report. It's like saying kurt cobain died of an accidental suicide, how the F could that ever be determined lol.

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Reply #1250 posted 08/22/16 5:07am

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FUNKNROLL said:

Menes said:

He was good at hiding everything else. Certainly not a stretch to do exactly this. People underestimate the lengths at which an addict/dependent will go to in order to conceal the behavior.

EXCEPT - officials are now saying medical tests prior to his death indicate he had no traces of Fentanyl in his system and not likely an abuser.

Hydrocodone and acetomenphine is more commonly known as "Tylenol with Codeine". Have you taken it? Many have and are not junkies. And how do we know one or two other prescription bottles found around PP weren't owned by staff? I know coworkers who keep prescriptions at the office.

This morning on CBS news - they are reporting this exact finding, stating it's likely he did not know what he was given or taking. And things will be getting more interesting.

He was far from perfect, but it's more probable than possible he was NOT a closet drug addict.

Well the evidence is showing everyone that he was not a junky. The stuff he thought he was taking he pretty light and I want to think he may have just taken to much of the real H on the plane but though he could keep taking it but maybe in a lower dosage for all we know the stuff in PP could have been a new stash.

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Reply #1251 posted 08/22/16 5:13am

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sunset3121 said:

I read it Laura. I saw only assumptions of that, not any evidence. Can you point me to the part where it was said officially?

Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.

Who do you think gave him those test?


The official did not elaborate on those tests. But at least one doctor, Michael Todd Schulenberg, saw Prince on April 7 and again on April 20, the day before he died.

According to a search warrant, he told a detective he had ordered tests for Prince and prescribed medications. Schulenberg's attorney, Amy Conners, has said patient-privacy laws do not allow her to say what the prescriptions were.

The search warrent was left open and the media reported that Dr S had confirmed he was treating Prince for withdrawals that found that DR S never prescribed any pain pills for him but only two other RX which that said earlier were filled at the Walgreens.

The autopsy report also shows Prince had diazepam, lidocaine and hydrocodone acids in his body, the official said. Diazepam is an anti-anxiety pill sold as Valium. It's a sedative and can also be used to control seizures, which Prince suffered from as a child. Lidocaine is a local anesthetic.

At this point they have pulled all of P medical records so the authorities no what was going on with him and they have hair samples that the ME may have used. Whatever test he had in Moline they used all of this to conclude he was not a long term user of F. The fact that if he was a long term user of H we do not know but if he was this is a low level pain killer and it would explain how he never seemed high and was able to get around.

It would also be interesting to find out if he ever had a an RX for it and just was put off of it for abuse or just decided on his own to find his own supply. Like I said something is fishy about someone working with a Dr to get off of pain pills and then having hordes of them on their person. We really would have to know if the was a long term user of the "H" to get a better idea of what was going on or what sort of test was Dr. S running.

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RE: Dr. S arriving with tests that morning - what comes to mind here, he probably had tests done after the Moline airplane emergency to determine what was wrong, or what he might have been taking. If you suspect you've been given some bad stuff, the first thing you're going to do is get tested to find out what's in your system.



What if he really thought he had been taking Tylenol w/Codeine and first suspected it was something else during/after the Moline airplane emergency? Seems like he would order a bunch of tests to get to the bottom. Seeking out a California Dr as pain manager for "withdrawal" management may have been the result of learning or suspecting he'd been taking the wrong thing but still needed to wean himself nontheless (think: "I'm not a junkie but I've been given the wrong stuff...and I'm going through withdrawal, not influenza... we'll figure out how I got the wrong stuff later, but for now I have to confirm my suspicions and manage the physical trouble I'm in...").



His inner circle (Judith?) indeed arranged the California doctor. Maybe that was through business execs, since it meets the criteria "telemedicine" - meaning, Doctors can't deliver care across state lines but they can (and sometimes do) consult with each other across state lines for arranging a patient's care.



Why would he be at Walgreens in a parking lot? Maybe because he reached a breaking point w/trusting others to pick up his medicine. You can pick up somebody else's prescriptions for them, I've personally done it for friends just out of surgery. He'd been getting the wrong stuff, through somebody. Remember he posted "just when you thought you were safe".



I don't want to believe any of this - but it's clear things weren't right in his world. Poor guy.




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leadline said:


People assumed that due to the fake article that was released with the fake drug dealer holding up a fentanyl patch. Yeah I say fake because that article came out way too fast and was way too detailed to be real. It was designed to plant a seed in folks minds so 5 weeks later when the autopsy results came out, folks would say, oh yeah, fentanyl patch, that makes sense, isnt that the same patch his drug dealer was holding up in that pic? Case closed.

Just my opinion of course, but that is the logic that makes sense to me. And honestly, what kind of autopsy report could ever rule that something was self administered, that sounds more like an assumption to me, which has no place in an autopsy report. It's like saying kurt cobain died of an accidental suicide, how the F could that ever be determined lol.

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thank you!!! clapping

What are you clapping about.

(EXCEPT - officials are now saying medical tests prior to his death indicate he had no traces of Fentanyl in his system and not likely an abuser.)

Medical test are confirming it was accidental because he did not have any in his system prior to his death. They can also trace drugs back 90 days from hair samples. They have test that can tell how long you have been taking something especially Fentanyl.

I am still not sure some of you do not understand how P would not have been living if had been taking this stuff on his own for years.

You can posion yourself by just getting it on your hands.

Not too mention the side effects that everyone said he could have avoided by a high tolerance despite weighting a buck on five having too build up the tolerance in the first place.

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FUNKNROLL said:



Menes said:




GhostChick said:


Or maybe Prince himself put the pills in a bottle and mislabled it something else, to hide it.

I mean, it could be that Prince very well hid his problem and his pills. Labeling the bottle something else would be a very good way to do that.



He was good at hiding everything else. Certainly not a stretch to do exactly this. People underestimate the lengths at which an addict/dependent will go to in order to conceal the behavior.




EXCEPT - officials are now saying medical tests prior to his death indicate he had no traces of Fentanyl in his system and not likely an abuser.



Hydrocodone and acetomenphine is more commonly known as "Tylenol with Codeine". Have you taken it? Many have and are not junkies. And how do we know one or two other prescription bottles found around PP weren't owned by staff? I know coworkers who keep prescriptions at the office.



This morning on CBS news - they are reporting this exact finding, stating it's likely he did not know what he was given or taking. And things will be getting more interesting.



He was far from perfect, but it's more probable than possible he was NOT a closet drug addict.








Some people are bound and determined to turn him into a major addict just like some are adamant there was foul play or he was murdered. That reports say allegedly tests showed he had no fentanyl in his system prior tells me he was not using heavy shit like that and somehow got pills that were mislabeled. That's what's most plausible to me because I don't see how in the world he could regularly be taking fentanyl and functioning the way he was, travelling and performing. As I've said before I listened to most of the P&M shows and his voice and playing were phenomenal. And his interaction with the crowd was totally normal. The only thing that wasn't was his appearance. He looked very frail. That's it.
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Reply #1254 posted 08/22/16 5:17am

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whoever provided these illicit pills to prince killed him.

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FUNKNROLL said:

herb4 said:



PurpleDiamonds1 said:


CooperC62057 said:
Bottom line. Autopsy says fentanyl. No prescription for that? Believe it got there however you see it - he knew, he didn't, someone fed it to him - everyone's opinion is their right. Fentanyl doesn't belong in your system naturally. If it was there for any reason other than a normal dosage prescribed by a doctor, it is murder and someone is responsible. Someone needs to be held accountable.

Agree!


Who would murder Prince and why? This place is crazy.



I recently saw report his legacy's value is up 11% and will continue trending upward now that he has died. He's worth more now (to business) than when he was alive. He was very outspoken about his corporate partners and very protective of his efforts. Don't underestimate what a business is willing to do for money in sums of millions, and in long term billions. Especially if business is struggling and parties have been burned. This isn't conspiracy - it's a sick sad truth in the world.

It's not uncommon for corporations to employ doctors to manage costs and provide health care across state lines.

Weeks before he died BlindGossip predicted his death this summer. TMZ is owned by Warners and had exclusives on his health. He posted "just when you thought you were safe" in social media.

Now, reports say it seems he took pills that were mislabeled on the actual pills not just bottle.

Hard to fault anybody for being willing to entertain the idea his death was more than unfortunate.

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Not "weeks". Blind Gossip reposted Mediatakeout's AIDS story, which was posted on April 16th - after the plane landing. This was a convenient time to make up a story.
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Prince:


This photo is not from 2015. It looks like maybe 2011 or 2012? And it looks like a carry on bag something that millions of us have when we travel.
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Kara said:

FUNKNROLL said:
I recently saw report his legacy's value is up 11% and will continue trending upward now that he has died. He's worth more now (to business) than when he was alive. He was very outspoken about his corporate partners and very protective of his efforts. Don't underestimate what a business is willing to do for money in sums of millions, and in long term billions. Especially if business is struggling and parties have been burned. This isn't conspiracy - it's a sick sad truth in the world. It's not uncommon for corporations to employ doctors to manage costs and provide health care across state lines. Weeks before he died BlindGossip predicted his death this summer. TMZ is owned by Warners and had exclusives on his health. He posted "just when you thought you were safe" in social media. Now, reports say it seems he took pills that were mislabeled on the actual pills not just bottle. Hard to fault anybody for being willing to entertain the idea his death was more than unfortunate. . [Edited 8/21/16 19:35pm]
Not "weeks". Blind Gossip reposted Mediatakeout's AIDS story, which was posted on April 16th - after the plane landing. This was a convenient time to make up a story.



Not made up - he died as reported prior to his death. Do we overlook this report/prediction because he died... but not from AIDS? The report WAS accurate and it cited inside details from an industry exec. Which demonstrates they had some sort of info, not "made up". Maybe the AIDS angle was intentionally inaccurate to walk a line. We can acknowledge their reporting by giving partial credit without praise.




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FUNKNROLL said:

laurarichardson said:

Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.

Who do you think gave him those test?


The official did not elaborate on those tests. But at least one doctor, Michael Todd Schulenberg, saw Prince on April 7 and again on April 20, the day before he died.

According to a search warrant, he told a detective he had ordered tests for Prince and prescribed medications. Schulenberg's attorney, Amy Conners, has said patient-privacy laws do not allow her to say what the prescriptions were.

The search warrent was left open and the media reported that Dr S had confirmed he was treating Prince for withdrawals that found that DR S never prescribed any pain pills for him but only two other RX which that said earlier were filled at the Walgreens.

The autopsy report also shows Prince had diazepam, lidocaine and hydrocodone acids in his body, the official said. Diazepam is an anti-anxiety pill sold as Valium. It's a sedative and can also be used to control seizures, which Prince suffered from as a child. Lidocaine is a local anesthetic.

At this point they have pulled all of P medical records so the authorities no what was going on with him and they have hair samples that the ME may have used. Whatever test he had in Moline they used all of this to conclude he was not a long term user of F. The fact that if he was a long term user of H we do not know but if he was this is a low level pain killer and it would explain how he never seemed high and was able to get around.

It would also be interesting to find out if he ever had a an RX for it and just was put off of it for abuse or just decided on his own to find his own supply. Like I said something is fishy about someone working with a Dr to get off of pain pills and then having hordes of them on their person. We really would have to know if the was a long term user of the "H" to get a better idea of what was going on or what sort of test was Dr. S running.

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RE: Dr. S arriving with tests that morning - what comes to mind here, he probably had tests done after the Moline airplane emergency to determine what was wrong, or what he might have been taking. If you suspect you've been given some bad stuff, the first thing you're going to do is get tested to find out what's in your system.

What if he really thought he had been taking Tylenol w/Codeine and first suspected it was something else during/after the Moline airplane emergency? Seems like he would order a bunch of tests to get to the bottom. Seeking out a California Dr as pain manager for "withdrawal" management may have been the result of learning or suspecting he'd been taking the wrong thing but still needed to wean himself nontheless (think: "I'm not a junkie but I've been given the wrong stuff...and I'm going through withdrawal, not influenza... we'll figure out how I got the wrong stuff later, but for now I have to confirm my suspicions and manage the physical trouble I'm in...").

His inner circle (Judith?) indeed arranged the California doctor. Maybe that was through business execs, since it meets the criteria "telemedicine" - meaning, Doctors can't deliver care across state lines but they can (and sometimes do) consult with each other across state lines for arranging a patient's care.

Why would he be at Walgreens in a parking lot? Maybe because he reached a breaking point w/trusting others to pick up his medicine. You can pick up somebody else's prescriptions for them, I've personally done it for friends just out of surgery. He'd been getting the wrong stuff, through somebody. Remember he posted "just when you thought you were safe".

I don't want to believe any of this - but it's clear things weren't right in his world. Poor guy.

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Dr. S arriving with tests that morning - what comes to mind here, he probably had tests done after the Moline airplane emergency to determine what was wrong, or what he might have been taking. If you suspect you've been given some bad stuff, the first thing you're going to do is get tested to find out what's in your system.--

Good points!!! If he had been taking H for a long time he might have figured I need to find out what is really in this stuff or why I almost overdosed on a low level pain pill that I take all the time.

His inner circle (Judith?) indeed arranged the California doctor. Maybe that was through business execs, since it meets the criteria "telemedicine" - meaning, Doctors can't deliver care across state lines but they can (and sometimes do) consult with each other across state lines for arranging a patient's care.

Yes, but Dr. K said he was in grave danger so Dr. S must have discoverd something at that exam and that is really the key.

Why would he be at Walgreens in a parking lot? Maybe because he reached a breaking point w/trusting others to pick up his medicine. You can pick up somebody else's prescriptions for them, I've personally done it for friends just out of surgery. He'd been getting the wrong stuff, through somebody. Remember he posted "just when you thought you were safe".

Dr S wrote him Rx on the 20 so he went to fill them. We know they were not for pain meds so I am just guessing it might have been the Xanax or anti-seizure meds. If it was not pain meds what else could it have been.

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XxAxX said:

whoever provided these illicit pills to prince killed him.


But what if they didn't know? Then it wouldn't be murder, maybe manslaughter. I have a real hard time believing someone within his inner circle intentionally gave him something he didn't think he was taking and something that would kill him.
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