What is interesting over the last four months (I read and watched almost every interview) of Prince from his camp made before they gone eeriely silent within the last two months or so, NOT one made indication that Prince was murder and want to seek justice on their former boss, friend, lover, etc. I checked the social media from some of his campers and I am even friends with some of them on facebook and they have been expressing 'Let Prince rest and peace and life goes on' vibe.

Michael Jackson's family and even some celebrities were screaming for his justice and even some of Whitney Houston and Bobbi Kristina's relatives and friends expressed justice for their deaths. But the only people so far I am seeing demanding justice are from his fans.

I know Prince wasn't the most easy person to deal with but come on why is the silence from Prince and his camp? What about Tyka? She had no problem shut down rumors when it came to the sibling feuding story that was reported by TMZ and the official/unofficial memorial but not one word about demanding justice for her brother or give a hint that someone gave Prince a bad drug and wanted that person or person to be punish? Or his former wives not a peep either indicate Prince was murder. And so forth. And Sheila E said the family knew what happened but won't say it or something like that. And I believed she said on Larry King she knew what happened but won't say it and it is hard to believe that as outspoken as she have been (and she is also good friends with tyka) have yet mention that someone else hurted Prince and should pay for it. What is up with that?

I don't buy the murder or Prince was a drug addict theories. Like Prince said 'Something in the water does not compute'. I am just sitting back (in my spare time, of course) and see things unfold because the truth WILL come out eventually as folks are right now trying to control narratives for self interest purposes and money....

loveandkindness said:

Nice job bebop I did read about the Atlanta issue with the fent and it's so scary.... My heart tells me he didn't know what he was dealing with...he was reaching for help and this is heartbreaking..

Thanks! My heart agrees with your heart

It is just speculation but I can't help wishing it were true. It's the least upsetting possibility I can think of.

Bebop17 said:

PeteSilas said:

if he took the drugs from the same supply that almost killed him the week before,why?

Like I said in my previous post, maybe he didn't think it was the one type of pill, maybe he thought it was a combo of pills that almost killed him, so the second time he just took the one kind not knowing it was deadly. Or maybe he thought that it was because of an empty stomach. or the high altitude of the plane. or he was really recovering from the flu that night on the plane. I'm just saying it's possible he thought he fixed whatever had been wrong the night on the plane.

If he believed the pills to be what they appeared to be - oxys, and if he had lots of experience with oxys, he may have just thought the incident wouldn't repeat itself.

still pretty stupid and or careless and prince was anything but those two things. after a close call like that, any sensible person wouldn't be blamed for taking every single fucking pill and flushing them. Who knows, maybe he just wasn't in his right mind, after all, he's putting on clothes backwards and inside out, only time i've ever done that was when i was leaving a cat house.

babynoz said:

PurplePaisleyLuvr said:

naw, you'd think if he had any life force left, he'd use all of it to get help, not to leave cryptic messages to his fans. I mean, it's prince, so anything is possible but I don't think so.

CooperC62057 said:

udo said:

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Why would doctors tighten the prescribing?

Because the Obamacare would not cover it? Or because Prince could not pay the extra pills?

And then 'forced'?

That is ridiculous; we are talking a self proclaimed 'first world' western nation and a patient with plenty of liquidity cannot get the proper pain medications you suggest?

Look it up - research it. Doctors were overprescribing painkillers. The opiate epidemic hit with a vengeance even spiraling into our youth (and others I would imagine) crushing them to get high (although not high like back in the day - it's more like, low). The federal government stepped in holding these doctors accountable, which caused them to tighten up on writing these scripts and finding alternate treatments (that don't work for some chronic pain). They also made the manufacturers produce a non- crushable pill to help reduce the possibility of abuse. The combination of these changes caused the "street" cost of these pills to skyrocket, which for the everyday abuser was impossible and the cheap alternative was heroin. Hence, your heroin epidemic. Heroin users actively seek out reports and sources of fentanyl laced heroin thinking its a more potent "high". The sad part of all of this is that many people with real, true, chronic pain cannot get these doctors to prescribe them what they need - so where do you think they go?

Exactly.

41 pages in two days.... In summary, it is clear who has read the Minneapolis Star Tribune and Associated Press articles. Both articles cite an unnamed source, but neither news organization would have published their article if they doubted the veracity of the source.

The AP article states:

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The official who spoke to the AP said records show the 57-year-old Prince had no prescription for any controlled substances in the state of Minnesota in the 12 months before he died.

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I.e.: he was doctoring himself for quite a while.

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Some of the illicit pills might have looked like this:

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lwr001 said:

muleFunk said:

From the article:

Pills marked as hydrocodone that were seized from Paisley Park after Prince’s overdose death actually contained fentanyl, the powerful opioid that killed him, according to a source with knowledge of the investigation.

The musician, who weighed only 112 pounds at the time of his death April 21, had so much of the drug in his system, autopsy results later showed, that it would have killed anyone, regardless of size, the source said.

Prince did not possess a prescription for fentanyl, a synthetic opioid that has been described as 100 times more powerful than morphine, the source said.

Despite the finding, investigators still aren’t certain how the 57-year-old megastar ingested the fentanyl. However, they are leaning toward the theory that he took the pills not knowing they contained the drug.

MAJOR !

which is fine , yet he did indeed know he was taking Vicodin, illegally, whcih if you take enough of those, same result,,,You cannot absolve him from his role in his own death

Not so. Vicodin is 5/500. The hydrocodone most likely came in the form of a NORCO pill which is 5/325. That is a mild painkiller. He could have taken ONE mislabeled pill and not have known it.

Some people are critizing the Startrib but you know what I am all for them of getting the bottom of the truth what happened. WIth Prince's circle and camp are strangely quiet or saying this Life goes on speech, Startrib are the fans main ally right now (for the fans who refused to buy the drug addict narrative). It is like I am getting the impression that his camp are nicely telling the fans to 'Mind our own business and to focus on the music' yet they know what happened.

All I know is I don't buy it that Prince was a drug addict or he was murdered. I read and watched interviews from various people who were around Prince during his nearly forty year career timeline and not one of them said he was a drug addict or abusing drugs. Dude treated his body like a temple. I think he was taking meds because he had to.

I am forever grateful, even though I haven't posted on the org in years, I have been lurking and watched Prince closely during the last sixth months of his life and I think he was trying to tell fans something and he said once or maybe several times if you want to understand him is through his music and art. From the minute he did the Piano Tour to the day he was found in elevator, he was telling us something symbolically. I know what he was trying to say but so far his camp are refusing to give the receipts to tell it.

babynoz said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

amen to that!!!!!!!

It's true.

The witch hunt going on right now regarding opiods is catching the wrong people in the middle. Folks with pain issues are catching hell trying to get their meds because ethical doctors are in fear of being disciplined. Meanwhile the black market pill mill is flourishing because of misguided FDA interference.

People will get relief where they can find it when it comes to chronic pain so the Feds are acually putting more people at risk by hounding legitimate doctors and pharmacies.

EXACTLY!!!!!!

LBrent said:

EnDoRpHn said:

You all want to find a complicated explanation for something that could possibly be much simpler.

If he was wearing the exact same clothes, including the cap, it would really suggest only a couple of alternatives:

1) He died right after he got home, didn't even have a chance to take off his cap (which would suggest he may have taken something downstairs when he got there, and then passed on the elevator going upstairs to the residence). This scenario would have to be correlated with the time of death estimate from the autopsy, if it doesn't, then . . .

2) He didn't change his clothes after he came home (including keeping on the cap), and just happened to be dressed that way when something happened. A plausible explanation is that he was in withdrawal and had the shakes, which would make him feel cold, in which case he would probably want to wear a cap.

It's not really much more complicated than that, and I'm sure that's how the police are proceeding in their investigation.

People here want to get everyone riled up thinking someone came in with guns drawn, forced him to swallow some pills, threw dirty clothes on him, and dragged him to the elevator just to be rank. Talk about something that doesn't make any sense!

That's all well and good and makes sense, but...WTF happened to his shoes???

I'm with you on that one...! Even when relaxing at PP walking around he would sometimes have on the two inch platform flip flops with his socks...

muleFunk said:

This is from the TV article.......

Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.

Again they knew this in June.

Why leak it out now?

YES! Best question. They could have cleared his name but allowed his name to be dragged through the dirt.

NinaB said:

what are the most likely reasons to need hydrocondone & acedemedfine? What are they mainly prescribed for?

Pain. Again, it is mostly prescribed as Norco 5/325. It really is a mild pain-killer. It is low on the pain killer scale. You get into oxy's at the next level of pain.

A human can function fully taking one tab every six hours. The patient feels a sense of pain relief and a warm comforting feeling from the opiates. Aside from the patient becoming "talkative" - an outsider might never suspect anything is odd.

BillieBalloon said:

MMJas said:

Not very easy to digest the thought that he might have feltsomething was wrong and dressed up in a hurry to get some help. That is terribly distressing. Here we were all wishing he died

Edited: when i say peacefully, I mean falling asleep from the medication, slowing down of respiration or whatever.

[Edited 8/21/16 15:55pm]

I know. It's hurtful to think that this person who was a proud man found himself in circumstances such as these. It's not easy to read or digest.

I'm so Hurt...

purplerabbithole said:

Yep.

But that is the problem with chronic pain. Most doctors are fearful of giving meds for too long. Also, if he was not getting the correct and recommended kind of surgery for his pain, maybe a doctor couldn't justify continuing to give him meds for pain. It appears that P has had pain issues for years.

NinaB said:

Having 2 obtain pain (/anxiety?) meds from the street, does that mean he could no longer get them thru official channels?

Yes! Exactly.

Maybe the backwards clothes was a new quirky stage outfit that Prince was trying out. Makes more sense than most of what I've read on here. What if he'd died whilst wearing that '91 VMAS outfit? I guess some people on here would say that aliens removed the ass part of it and administered a lethal injection into his left butt cheek.

The fact that there is no full time person dedicated to this case would indicate that the police are satisfied that it was an accidental self-administered overdose.

It's a very sad ending to an amazing life, but the conjecture on here is just ridiculous. I get it, we're all upset how it all happened, and the Internet thrives on conspiracy theories, but sometimes what's reported happens to be the truth.

By now nobody know for sure what happened that night..after putting all the pieces of this puzzle together I think he decided to leave this world by himself, he was too clever..too smart...he didn't want people to think it was his decision so he didn't refused to meet doctors in the beginning..but for several reason it's too long to tell here he didn't want to go to the rehab path..so he made his decision and the inside out/ backward clothes I guess was made on purpose by him to leave a message to the ones who want to read it..

ladygirl99 said:

Some people are critizing the Startrib but you know what I am all for them of getting the bottom of the truth what happened. WIth Prince's circle and camp are strangely quiet or saying this Life goes on speech, Startrib are the fans main ally right now (for the fans who refused to buy the drug addict narrative). It is like I am getting the impression that his camp are nicely telling the fans to 'Mind our own business and to focus on the music' yet they know what happened.

All I know is I don't buy it that Prince was a drug addict or he was murdered. I read and watched interviews from various people who were around Prince during his nearly forty year career timeline and not one of them said he was a drug addict or abusing drugs. Dude treated his body like a temple. I think he was taking meds because he had to.

I am forever grateful, even though I haven't posted on the org in years, I have been lurking and watched Prince closely during the last sixth months of his life and I think he was trying to tell fans something and he said once or maybe several times if you want to understand him is through his music and art. From the minute he did the Piano Tour to the day he was found in elevator, he was telling us something symbolically. I know what he was trying to say but so far his camp are refusing to give the receipts to tell it.

Agreed... and I believe receipts are coming. My own sources (who shall remain nameless) have been telling me what a few people here are already thinking... and it isn't too far from the truth. The only thing I can and will say is this: evidence of one thing does not negate (rather obvious) evidence of another.

[Edited 8/22/16 2:34am]

bobsteezy said:

jjam said:

PeteSilas said:

Bebop17 said:

udo said:

Synergy said:

udo said:

So even if mr Prince was not an addict, he got the pills not via a prescription from a doctor.

This means he was taking way more `painkillers` than a doctor would prescribe as money would not be an issue for mr Prince.

So maybe he was an addict.

This means perhaps that he did have a longer history with these pills as he could not get enough painkillers via a doctor.

He had become addicted to pain meds for a few years in the 90s, after breaking his ankle while jumping off his piano during a concert. He finished the concert and three encores, but needed surgery to repair the ankle. 😔 I know he had gotten help to stop the pills and did not take them for a long while, until the hip.😢 This is a nightmare!

Once again if you know something spill all the beans. We know people in his circle come to this board and I know someone has already put it out that he actually broke that ankle and problems for a while because of it. I know someone is saying he was in a motorcyle accident and did something to his leg.

Do you think this is the reason the ST is trying to get his divorce files open to see how far back his problems went?

CROWNS1 said:

kmama07 said:

Why have the pills in mislabeled bottles? Because they were not prescribed to him/he didn't want people knowing he was taking them. I guess it's possible the pills he had could have been mismarked but either way they were illegally obtained and he had to have known that. And why is the famiily not seemingly actively questioning this? Or questioning whether or not he was truly alone that night, what happened to the supposed Dr Kirk referred him to, etc.? Too many weird loose ends that don't add up and even weirder that his family is being so tight-lipped.

The pills were mismarked according to law enforcement and whatever lab they took them to.

Apparently, these pills if they had been real are putting low level pain pills so he had no idea that he was taking something as strong Fentanyl and I said from the begining he could not have been taking soemthing as strong as Fentanyl. Looks like he was taking some light which would explain why he never seemed high or out it to people. The question his family should be asking his how got him these pills why were these bad and was he taking the hydrocone illegally before this incident.

What was he withdrawing from in the first place?