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New to the business, learning from Prince how to own my masters! I'm new to the business,I went to the studio and recorded five tracks.We recorded my lyrics and the guy music.If I paid him $500, $100 per beat do I own the music as well as my lyrics.The guy that recorded me gave me my master tape.If I become successful do I own everything the music or only my lyrics?I'm new to the business, wish I could have met Prince so he could explain to me what owning my masters is really about. When you pay someone for a Beat does that mean you own the music? Could someone please give me some advice? [Edited 8/4/16 0:51am] You and me are like two ships passing
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The only way to be sure is to have a WRITTEN agreement (contract) in place detailing exactly who owns what The "copyrightable" bits of music are LYRICS and MELODY - so if you wrote the lyrics then it is likely you own 50% of the writer's credit (although this % can be changed with a written agreement). The lines are becoming a little blurred (excuse the pun) with copyright following the Robin Thicke/Marvin Gaye case You would really need an agreement in each case I would add though... As much as I respect Prince's stand on his masters/contracts etc. Record labels are in a position where they can be ultra selective so as an unknown artist/writer you will be at a huge disadvantage if you try to be overly protective of your music as the label will simply move on to the next budding star A small % of something is better than 100% of nothing so think carefully if you are ever in the fortunate position to get record label interest You will find a lot of info and this type of discussion at this website: www.songwriterforum.co.uk (which for full disclosure I own) Some would say that the "music business" is more about "business" than the music at the moment - but fortunately there are also now many more ways for unknown artists to "get heard" - YouTube, SoundCloud, social media etc. It would have been interesting to see how Prince would have done starting out again in modern times I still think he would have "broken through" but it would have been a very different journey | |
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Prince didn't believe in signing contracts, what was that all about? You and me are like two ships passing
Never reaching shore If we ever, ooh, if we ever did We'd just want more | |
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When I was heavy into my group's music business, I ALWAYS kept the latest Musician's Business and Legal Guide. It was my musician's 'bible.' Please get this or something just as informative for your career. http://www.barnesandnoble...ckid=3x163
Good luck!! Welcome home class. We've come a long way. - RIP Prince | |
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roxy831 said: When I was heavy into my group's music business, I ALWAYS kept the latest Musician's Business and Legal Guide. It was my musician's 'bible.' Please get this or something just as informative for your career. http://www.barnesandnoble...ckid=3x163
Good luck!! quote Thank you so much,you've really help. You and me are like two ships passing
Never reaching shore If we ever, ooh, if we ever did We'd just want more | |
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Boydie said: The only way to be sure is to have a WRITTEN agreement (contract) in place detailing exactly who owns what The "copyrightable" bits of music are LYRICS and MELODY - so if you wrote the lyrics then it is likely you own 50% of the writer's credit (although this % can be changed with a written agreement). The lines are becoming a little blurred (excuse the pun) with copyright following the Robin Thicke/Marvin Gaye case You would really need an agreement in each case I would add though... As much as I respect Prince's stand on his masters/contracts etc. Record labels are in a position where they can be ultra selective so as an unknown artist/writer you will be at a huge disadvantage if you try to be overly protective of your music as the label will simply move on to the next budding star A small % of something is better than 100% of nothing so think carefully if you are ever in the fortunate position to get record label interest You will find a lot of info and this type of discussion at this website: www.songwriterforum.co.uk (which for full disclosure I own) Some would say that the "music business" is more about "business" than the music at the moment - but fortunately there are also now many more ways for unknown artists to "get heard" - YouTube, SoundCloud, social media etc. It would have been interesting to see how Prince would have done starting out again in modern times I still think he would have "broken through" but it would have been a very different journey Thanks you so much for your advice.Since Prince death I've thought about it would be so sad 2 die without enjoying life and fulfilling your dreams.Prince really enjoyed performing. He'll be missed. You and me are like two ships passing
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My pleasure. It was P who pressed in my heart the need to protect your art. I made sure to be proactive, protected, and informed. Take care. Oh, and make sure you join a Songwriters, Performers society (i.e. ASCAP, BMI, SESAC)for royalties. There's also another one specifically for the internet play (CD Baby or Tunecore, I believe). More than happy to share. Welcome home class. We've come a long way. - RIP Prince | |
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Dude, for crying out loud, stop taking advice form amateurs on a forum and go take classes. © Bart Van Hemelen
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"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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BartVanHemelen said: Dude, for crying out loud, stop taking advice form amateurs on a forum and go take classes. Hope you feel better soon,enjoy your day. ![]() You and me are like two ships passing
Never reaching shore If we ever, ooh, if we ever did We'd just want more | |
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"Dude, for crying out loud" - There are also classes available regarding Social Skills. Just sayin' | |
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roxy831 said:
My pleasure. It was P who pressed in my heart the need to protect your art. I made sure to be proactive, protected, and informed. Take care. Oh, and make sure you join a Songwriters, Performers society (i.e. ASCAP, BMI, SESAC)for royalties. There's also another one specifically for the internet play (CD Baby or Tunecore, I believe). More than happy to share. Thanks,yes we learn from the best! You and me are like two ships passing
Never reaching shore If we ever, ooh, if we ever did We'd just want more | |
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purplethunder3121 said: ![]() You and me are like two ships passing
Never reaching shore If we ever, ooh, if we ever did We'd just want more | |
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This is also a great way for Prince's legacy to be continued. The very act of being as aware as possible about all the business aspects of this industry is crucial. Prince has to learn in a very difficult way as a lot of what he did was very uncharted territory. I wish you every success and am glad you are thinkin about these considerations now and not much later | |
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. Again: this is nonsense. Go ask Mick Jagger et al who learned about this in the early 1970s. © Bart Van Hemelen
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First of all a lot of what prince went through was simply unprecendented. The Rolling Stones had legal issues regarding the payments from their music, yes, but they are not directly comparable to Prince's issues. The fact that the Rolling Stones received an unequitable deal does not in any way mean that Prince didn't have his own struggle to pursue. Prince may simply have done nothing and kept quiet but he actually chose to make a stand to make public the issues regarding the music business. Obviously being a different generation to the Stones this reached a whole new group of people. | |
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Don't sign shit | |
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If u paid for the beats then u own them. That's my opinion. I am not a lawyer. But I have worked in music for 40 years. A good entertainment attorney could be a great investment IF your music makes a bunch of money, AND IF u have the cash to invest in such luxuries. Many of us don't. | |
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Form? Mr Spelling Police | |
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Oh no, don't drink and write is my advice [Edited 8/5/16 15:10pm] | |
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Can i share your popcorn | |
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Guitarhero said:
Can i share your popcorn U know it...making room for ya ![]() | |
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jayspud said:
"Dude, for crying out loud" - There are also classes available regarding Social Skills. Just sayin' ![]() You and me are like two ships passing
Never reaching shore If we ever, ooh, if we ever did We'd just want more | |
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nursev said: Don't sign shit Really lol ![]() You and me are like two ships passing
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Guitarhero said:
Oh no, don't drink and write is my advice [Edited 8/5/16 15:10pm] I don't understand why Prince signed another contract with Warner bro. After fighting so long for his music. Then i read that he received death threats a couple of weeks before his death.I also read this is the reason that he wasn't eating, he felt like someone was trying to posin him.He gave his fans so much,it's so sad how his life ended.Everything that glitters ain't gold! 😢 You and me are like two ships passing
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Make room for me, i love popcorn. Make room for yourself because popcorn gives me gas, lol.
You and me are like two ships passing
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