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Two docters under the microscope incolving Prince's passing

It seems that the actions of two of Prince's docters will be evaluated more carefully because there are suspicions of breakong the rules in prescribing pain killers. History repeats itself.
So sad and so immensely avoidable confused
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Reply #1 posted 07/01/16 3:52am

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This is news to me. Where did you hear about TWO? One - Stulenberg (sp) - I read about. The second can't be Kornfeld because he didn't treat him, but they are in trouble for sending the son to PP.

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Reply #2 posted 07/01/16 4:08am

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1Sasha said:


This is news to me. Where did you hear about TWO? One - Stulenberg (sp) - I read about. The second can't be Kornfeld because he didn't treat him, but they are in trouble for sending the son to PP.



Kornfeld could still be in trouble for sending his son across state lines with prescription drugs and no licence.
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rob1965 said:

It seems that the actions of two of Prince's docters will be evaluated more carefully because there are suspicions of breakong the rules in prescribing pain killers. History repeats itself.
So sad and so immensely avoidable confused

--- Where are you getting this info from? Before the search warrant was sealed it was said that Dr S did not write any Rx for Prince ever and that he wrote to others that were not Opaids and that no pain meds were ever filled at the Walgreens if what you say is true then he got the pills directly from the doctors hands!!!
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Reply #4 posted 07/01/16 5:19am

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It is from TMZ (which I have to say gets a lot of these reports right). I found it. But where was he getting the drugs from over the years? I think they will only focus on who supplied him at the end, or did he get it through an associate off the street.

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Reply #5 posted 07/01/16 5:38am

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It is from TMZ (which I have to say gets a lot of these reports right). I found it. But where was he getting the drugs from over the years? I think they will only focus on who supplied him at the end, or did he get it through an associate off the street.


-// No they did not get everything right. Remember they said he left the hospital in a huff because he could not get a private room. Remember they said he was addicted to Percecets we have not heard anything else about it. Which I knew was bull because I used Percocet and it puts you in your ass. I am going to predict that at one point he had an Rx started abusing it and may have been able to more off the books from Dr. S or some other doctor. If Prince had major trust issues he is not going out into the streets. I will also predict that no one will go to jail for giving the meds even if it was done off the books or just over prescribing. This is going to be hard to prove and I think investigation is quiet. At the end of the Prince may have decided to increase his dosage to keep working and might have found a way to do it no matter.
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Reply #6 posted 07/01/16 5:40am

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Is this from a new article on tmz?

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Reply #7 posted 07/01/16 2:27pm

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It's from an article off the Dutch news site called nu.nl: it Schulenberg and Kornfeld alright.
Nu.nl bases its knowledge on sources from TMZ. I'm no US citizen, but I learned that TMZ isn't always the best source (?).
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Reply #8 posted 07/01/16 2:52pm

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There is nothing new in this article. Those 2 doctors have been under the scope since day one. The article states nothing new.

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Reply #9 posted 07/01/16 2:56pm

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We've known for a long time that both Drs S and K have been under DEA/State investigation. Dr S still hasn't surfaced publicly.

Walgreens pharmacy's records were investigated (every prescription going back a certain period was reviewed).

It makes no sense that TMZ would repeat this stuff...unless they got a tip that there's going to be a break in the case soon. They've really had enough time. It's not going to a grand jury; the prosecutor will decide.

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Reply #10 posted 07/01/16 3:11pm

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laytonian said:

We've known for a long time that both Drs S and K have been under DEA/State investigation. Dr S still hasn't surfaced publicly.


Walgreens pharmacy's records were investigated (every prescription going back a certain period was reviewed).



It makes no sense that TMZ would repeat this stuff...unless they got a tip that there's going to be a break in the case soon. They've really had enough time. It's not going to a grand jury; the prosecutor will decide.





What's taking them so long?
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anangellooksdown said:

laytonian said:

We've known for a long time that both Drs S and K have been under DEA/State investigation. Dr S still hasn't surfaced publicly.

Walgreens pharmacy's records were investigated (every prescription going back a certain period was reviewed).

It makes no sense that TMZ would repeat this stuff...unless they got a tip that there's going to be a break in the case soon. They've really had enough time. It's not going to a grand jury; the prosecutor will decide.

What's taking them so long?

I think it is taking so long because they do not have any evidence. I know on line many people think this Dr. Kornfield and his son are suspicious because he son came into town the night before and many people on line have discussed did he or did not provide Prince was the opiod substitue he was carrying in his back pack.

He is already in trouble for bring it across state lines so it should not be to hard to get him to fess up therefore I think if we do not see anything new soon this case is going to go nowhere.

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Reply #12 posted 07/01/16 3:24pm

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laurarichardson said:



anangellooksdown said:


laytonian said:

We've known for a long time that both Drs S and K have been under DEA/State investigation. Dr S still hasn't surfaced publicly.


Walgreens pharmacy's records were investigated (every prescription going back a certain period was reviewed).



It makes no sense that TMZ would repeat this stuff...unless they got a tip that there's going to be a break in the case soon. They've really had enough time. It's not going to a grand jury; the prosecutor will decide.





What's taking them so long?


I think it is taking so long because they do not have any evidence. I know on line many people think this Dr. Kornfield and his son are suspicious because he son came into town the night before and many people on line have discussed did he or did not provide Prince was the opiod substitue he was carrying in his back pack.



He is already in trouble for bring it across state lines so it should not be to hard to get him to fess up therefore I think if we do not see anything new soon this case is going to go nowhere.



He came into town the night before?? As in, before midnight? Where did you hear this? Please clue me in to a link of possible from a good source as I missed this. Thank you.
Still, it seems he's a withdrawal expert, not someone who would give more of what someone's trying to get off of. Right?
[Edited 7/1/16 15:34pm]
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laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:


It is from TMZ (which I have to say gets a lot of these reports right). I found it. But where was he getting the drugs from over the years? I think they will only focus on who supplied him at the end, or did he get it through an associate off the street.


-// No they did not get everything right. Remember they said he left the hospital in a huff because he could not get a private room. Remember they said he was addicted to Percecets we have not heard anything else about it. Which I knew was bull because I used Percocet and it puts you in your ass. I am going to predict that at one point he had an Rx started abusing it and may have been able to more off the books from Dr. S or some other doctor. If Prince had major trust issues he is not going out into the streets. I will also predict that no one will go to jail for giving the meds even if it was done off the books or just over prescribing. This is going to be hard to prove and I think investigation is quiet. At the end of the Prince may have decided to increase his dosage to keep working and might have found a way to do it no matter.


Where did you hear he "left in a huff" because they didn't give him a private room? I ask this because if that's supposition, I have felt that maybe they could have and should have given him one due to his always having paparazzi on his back, and I always wanted to know if they were just being a--holes.
I also want to know if they explained carefully and verbally to him that the save shot would wipe out his tolerance to further use (did they give him proper instructions upon his release).

Prince was not stupid. I wonder why he didn't know the risks.

The story his friend told of being there in the hosp that night...it seems he was calm. Also that story shows that he had to fight for his life and come back to us. He must've been very scared, and when people are scared, sometimes they get demanding to get their needs met. So if he was that way about getting a private room, and the people fought him back not understanding his fear or having compassion for him, then shame on them.

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anangellooksdown said:

laurarichardson said:
-// No they did not get everything right. Remember they said he left the hospital in a huff because he could not get a private room. Remember they said he was addicted to Percecets we have not heard anything else about it. Which I knew was bull because I used Percocet and it puts you in your ass. I am going to predict that at one point he had an Rx started abusing it and may have been able to more off the books from Dr. S or some other doctor. If Prince had major trust issues he is not going out into the streets. I will also predict that no one will go to jail for giving the meds even if it was done off the books or just over prescribing. This is going to be hard to prove and I think investigation is quiet. At the end of the Prince may have decided to increase his dosage to keep working and might have found a way to do it no matter.
Where did you hear he "left in a huff" because they didn't give him a private room? I ask this because if that's supposition, I have felt that maybe they could have and should have given him one due to his always having paparazzi on his back, and I always wanted to know if they were just being a--holes. I also want to know if they explained carefully and verbally to him that the save shot would wipe out his tolerance to further use (did they give him proper instructions upon his release). Prince was not stupid. I wonder why he didn't know the risks. The story his friend told of being there in the hosp that night...it seems he was calm. Also that story shows that he had to fight for his life and come back to us. He must've been very scared, and when people are scared, sometimes they get demanding to get their needs met. So if he was that way about getting a private room, and the people fought him back not understanding his fear or having compassion for him, then shame on them. I only say this because I KNOW how humans can be.

TMZ said he left after a few hours because he could not get a private room. Mrs. Hill said they stayed until 11:00 am the next day and he was not combative or difficult. This makes me think that TMZ and all of the other news outlets using their info are adding things to get clicks. I hope a reputable reporter we do a real story on this.

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anangellooksdown said:

laurarichardson said:

I think it is taking so long because they do not have any evidence. I know on line many people think this Dr. Kornfield and his son are suspicious because he son came into town the night before and many people on line have discussed did he or did not provide Prince was the opiod substitue he was carrying in his back pack.

He is already in trouble for bring it across state lines so it should not be to hard to get him to fess up therefore I think if we do not see anything new soon this case is going to go nowhere.

He came into town the night before?? As in, before midnight? Where did you hear this? Please clue me in to a link of possible from a good source as I missed this. Thank you. Still, it seems he's a withdrawal expert, not someone who would give more of what someone's trying to get off of. Right? [Edited 7/1/16 15:34pm]

I will go back and find it. I listen to the press conference that Dr. K's attorney gave and I remember him saying the soon flew out that evening. I also believe the son did a interview and mentioned as well. You would think he would have brought nothing as you should not administer any meds without a full examination and this son was not a doctor and his dad is not even licensed to practice medience in Mn.

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Reply #16 posted 07/01/16 4:03pm

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1Sasha said:


This is news to me. Where did you hear about TWO? One - Stulenberg (sp) - I read about. The second can't be Kornfeld because he didn't treat him, but they are in trouble for sending the son to PP.



I read it on Page 6. The article makes reference to both Kornfield and Schulenburg being under investigation. Consider the source, however. Page 6 references TMZ as the source.
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Reply #17 posted 07/01/16 4:05pm

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anangellooksdown said:

laytonian said:

We've known for a long time that both Drs S and K have been under DEA/State investigation. Dr S still hasn't surfaced publicly.


Walgreens pharmacy's records were investigated (every prescription going back a certain period was reviewed).



It makes no sense that TMZ would repeat this stuff...unless they got a tip that there's going to be a break in the case soon. They've really had enough time. It's not going to a grand jury; the prosecutor will decide.





What's taking them so long?


I would imagine that given the exceptionally high profile of the case, they are taking their sweet time ensuring that any and everything publicly released is completely researched and proven to be accurate.
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Reply #18 posted 07/01/16 4:19pm

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laurarichardson said:



anangellooksdown said:


laurarichardson said:
-// No they did not get everything right. Remember they said he left the hospital in a huff because he could not get a private room. Remember they said he was addicted to Percecets we have not heard anything else about it. Which I knew was bull because I used Percocet and it puts you in your ass. I am going to predict that at one point he had an Rx started abusing it and may have been able to more off the books from Dr. S or some other doctor. If Prince had major trust issues he is not going out into the streets. I will also predict that no one will go to jail for giving the meds even if it was done off the books or just over prescribing. This is going to be hard to prove and I think investigation is quiet. At the end of the Prince may have decided to increase his dosage to keep working and might have found a way to do it no matter.

Where did you hear he "left in a huff" because they didn't give him a private room? I ask this because if that's supposition, I have felt that maybe they could have and should have given him one due to his always having paparazzi on his back, and I always wanted to know if they were just being a--holes. I also want to know if they explained carefully and verbally to him that the save shot would wipe out his tolerance to further use (did they give him proper instructions upon his release). Prince was not stupid. I wonder why he didn't know the risks. The story his friend told of being there in the hosp that night...it seems he was calm. Also that story shows that he had to fight for his life and come back to us. He must've been very scared, and when people are scared, sometimes they get demanding to get their needs met. So if he was that way about getting a private room, and the people fought him back not understanding his fear or having compassion for him, then shame on them. I only say this because I KNOW how humans can be.

TMZ said he left after a few hours because he could not get a private room. Mrs. Hill said they stayed until 11:00 am the next day and he was not combative or difficult. This makes me think that TMZ and all of the other news outlets using their info are adding things to get clicks. I hope a reputable reporter we do a real story on this.



I have never seen anything saying that he left "in a huff". Can you please note your source? I just want to be sure there's no misinformation here on the site where we all love him.
Don't mean to make you feel bad, I know you love him too.
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Reply #19 posted 07/01/16 4:24pm

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Oh for f*** sake not all this again! I wish they would conclude their investigation so all this speculation will end and these trashy mags will have one less horse to beat. The Kornfelds didn't give Prince anything. He was deceased by the time Andrew arrived. Dr S is maintaining a low profile to protect himself from the onslaught of journalists without character or principles. Lots of people are barking up the wrong tree and looking for fault in others. My opinion as someone who works in Healthcare and deals with the pain mgmt/opioid issue every day is that these were all professionals trying to help Prince and doing the best they could for someone with his public profile in the face of an extremely personal health crisis. It's because of this overzealous need to know every dirty little secret that had to in part keep Prince from confronting this sooner. The majority of the responsibility falls on Prince himself as hard as that is to say. If anything the only problem I have for the way this all played out is that given what happened on the plane his people should have respected the gravity of his condition and insisted he be admitted if not in Moline then somewhere else immediately. If that was truly impossible at that time then why in the world was he not sent home from thst hospital with a save shot??!!?? Everyone on opiates should have this available just like people with life threatening allergies carry an epi pen. He just overdosed. I don't get that they didn't give him that piece of insurance. They are the only medical professionals who dropped the ball in this case. That would have also insured another person in PP with him as that would have been necessary for administration of the narcan. The rest of it is bull****.
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Reply #20 posted 07/01/16 5:17pm

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RenaRF said:

anangellooksdown said:



What's taking them so long?


I would imagine that given the exceptionally high profile of the case, they are taking their sweet time ensuring that any and everything publicly released is completely researched and proven to be accurate.

If I'm not mistaken nothing has to be released unless the family chooses to do so, it's entirely possible this report will never become public. Frankly I don't think it's anybody's business so I hope the family chooses to keep it private.
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Reply #21 posted 07/01/16 5:31pm

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rogifan said:

RenaRF said:
I would imagine that given the exceptionally high profile of the case, they are taking their sweet time ensuring that any and everything publicly released is completely researched and proven to be accurate.
If I'm not mistaken nothing has to be released unless the family chooses to do so, it's entirely possible this report will never become public. Frankly I don't think it's anybody's business so I hope the family chooses to keep it private.

^This. Unless they bring charges, we'll probably not hear anything. Or, it could sit open as a cold case for years and years.

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Reply #22 posted 07/01/16 5:33pm

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rogifan said:

RenaRF said:



I would imagine that given the exceptionally high profile of the case, they are taking their sweet time ensuring that any and everything publicly released is completely researched and proven to be accurate.

If I'm not mistaken nothing has to be released unless the family chooses to do so, it's entirely possible this report will never become public. Frankly I don't think it's anybody's business so I hope the family chooses to keep it private.

It's Minnesota's policy to not release full autopsy reports, but if criminal charges result from the police investigation (which is separate from the medical examiner's investigation that has already concluded), and it goes to trial, any evidence related to those charges will become public, which could include more information from the autopsy.
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Reply #23 posted 07/01/16 5:46pm

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CROWNS1 said:

There is nothing new in this article. Those 2 doctors have been under the scope since day one. The article states nothing new.

I think something is getting ready to go down. It seems when these leaks happen, it's right before a move is made in the investigation.

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Reply #24 posted 07/01/16 5:51pm

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Oh for f*** sake not all this again! I wish they would conclude their investigation so all this speculation will end and these trashy mags will have one less horse to beat. The Kornfelds didn't give Prince anything. He was deceased by the time Andrew arrived. Dr S is maintaining a low profile to protect himself from the onslaught of journalists without character or principles. Lots of people are barking up the wrong tree and looking for fault in others. My opinion as someone who works in Healthcare and deals with the pain mgmt/opioid issue every day is that these were all professionals trying to help Prince and doing the best they could for someone with his public profile in the face of an extremely personal health crisis. It's because of this overzealous need to know every dirty little secret that had to in part keep Prince from confronting this sooner. The majority of the responsibility falls on Prince himself as hard as that is to say. If anything the only problem I have for the way this all played out is that given what happened on the plane his people should have respected the gravity of his condition and insisted he be admitted if not in Moline then somewhere else immediately. If that was truly impossible at that time then why in the world was he not sent home from thst hospital with a save shot??!!?? Everyone on opiates should have this available just like people with life threatening allergies carry an epi pen. He just overdosed. I don't get that they didn't give him that piece of insurance. They are the only medical professionals who dropped the ball in this case. That would have also insured another person in PP with him as that would have been necessary for administration of the narcan. The rest of it is bull****.


Even if he was given a Narcan shot/spray to take home, someone besides himself would have had to administer it and its obvious he was alone when he OD'd
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Reply #25 posted 07/01/16 6:22pm

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Oh for f*** sake not all this again! I wish they would conclude their investigation so all this speculation will end and these trashy mags will have one less horse to beat. The Kornfelds didn't give Prince anything. He was deceased by the time Andrew arrived. Dr S is maintaining a low profile to protect himself from the onslaught of journalists without character or principles. Lots of people are barking up the wrong tree and looking for fault in others. My opinion as someone who works in Healthcare and deals with the pain mgmt/opioid issue every day is that these were all professionals trying to help Prince and doing the best they could for someone with his public profile in the face of an extremely personal health crisis. It's because of this overzealous need to know every dirty little secret that had to in part keep Prince from confronting this sooner. The majority of the responsibility falls on Prince himself as hard as that is to say. If anything the only problem I have for the way this all played out is that given what happened on the plane his people should have respected the gravity of his condition and insisted he be admitted if not in Moline then somewhere else immediately. If that was truly impossible at that time then why in the world was he not sent home from thst hospital with a save shot??!!?? Everyone on opiates should have this available just like people with life threatening allergies carry an epi pen. He just overdosed. I don't get that they didn't give him that piece of insurance. They are the only medical professionals who dropped the ball in this case. That would have also insured another person in PP with him as that would have been necessary for administration of the narcan. The rest of it is bull****.

If you really work in healthcare, you should know that it's illegal for anyone to possess schedule ii controlled substances without a prescription, and it is almost certainly a federal crime for a medical student to be transporting schedule iii substances across state lines.

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Reply #26 posted 07/01/16 6:28pm

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anangellooksdown said:

laurarichardson said:

TMZ said he left after a few hours because he could not get a private room. Mrs. Hill said they stayed until 11:00 am the next day and he was not combative or difficult. This makes me think that TMZ and all of the other news outlets using their info are adding things to get clicks. I hope a reputable reporter we do a real story on this.

I have never seen anything saying that he left "in a huff". Can you please note your source? I just want to be sure there's no misinformation here on the site where we all love him. Don't mean to make you feel bad, I know you love him too. [Edited 7/1/16 16:21pm]

http://www.tmz.com/2016/0...dose-dead/

Judith Hill contradicts this article. She says that Prince stayed at the hospital until around 10 something that morning. They arrived at the hospital before 2 am.

[Edited 7/1/16 18:31pm]

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Reply #27 posted 07/01/16 6:29pm

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laurarichardson said:

anangellooksdown said:

laurarichardson said: Where did you hear he "left in a huff" because they didn't give him a private room? I ask this because if that's supposition, I have felt that maybe they could have and should have given him one due to his always having paparazzi on his back, and I always wanted to know if they were just being a--holes. I also want to know if they explained carefully and verbally to him that the save shot would wipe out his tolerance to further use (did they give him proper instructions upon his release). Prince was not stupid. I wonder why he didn't know the risks. The story his friend told of being there in the hosp that night...it seems he was calm. Also that story shows that he had to fight for his life and come back to us. He must've been very scared, and when people are scared, sometimes they get demanding to get their needs met. So if he was that way about getting a private room, and the people fought him back not understanding his fear or having compassion for him, then shame on them. I only say this because I KNOW how humans can be.

TMZ said he left after a few hours because he could not get a private room. Mrs. Hill said they stayed until 11:00 am the next day and he was not combative or difficult. This makes me think that TMZ and all of the other news outlets using their info are adding things to get clicks. I hope a reputable reporter we do a real story on this.


The most likely possibility is that he left the ER after three hours and WAS put into a private room BUT it was not revealed to anyone for privacy reasons.

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Reply #28 posted 07/01/16 6:41pm

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Well we will find out soon enough and who is telling the porkys. nod

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Reply #29 posted 07/01/16 7:14pm

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EnDoRpHn said:



sonshine said:


Oh for f*** sake not all this again! I wish they would conclude their investigation so all this speculation will end and these trashy mags will have one less horse to beat. The Kornfelds didn't give Prince anything. He was deceased by the time Andrew arrived. Dr S is maintaining a low profile to protect himself from the onslaught of journalists without character or principles. Lots of people are barking up the wrong tree and looking for fault in others. My opinion as someone who works in Healthcare and deals with the pain mgmt/opioid issue every day is that these were all professionals trying to help Prince and doing the best they could for someone with his public profile in the face of an extremely personal health crisis. It's because of this overzealous need to know every dirty little secret that had to in part keep Prince from confronting this sooner. The majority of the responsibility falls on Prince himself as hard as that is to say. If anything the only problem I have for the way this all played out is that given what happened on the plane his people should have respected the gravity of his condition and insisted he be admitted if not in Moline then somewhere else immediately. If that was truly impossible at that time then why in the world was he not sent home from thst hospital with a save shot??!!?? Everyone on opiates should have this available just like people with life threatening allergies carry an epi pen. He just overdosed. I don't get that they didn't give him that piece of insurance. They are the only medical professionals who dropped the ball in this case. That would have also insured another person in PP with him as that would have been necessary for administration of the narcan. The rest of it is bull****.

If you really work in healthcare, you should know that it's illegal for anyone to possess schedule ii controlled substances without a prescription, and it is almost certainly a federal crime for a medical student to be transporting schedule iii substances across state lines.


Yes, it is. I also believe in "No harm, no foul". But that's just my opinion.
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