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Reply #450 posted 06/22/16 5:55pm

Tresha68

wildgoldenhoney said:

I'm really beginning to wonder how close he was to anybody and why nobody seemed to know his secrets.


I mean why doesn't anyone know about the person he really loved and who he was dating?


Thank God for Mani at least she knew.




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[Edited 6/22/16 16:49pm]


I keep reading Mani knew. I obviously missed something.
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Reply #451 posted 06/22/16 6:26pm

all7even

I think she found out about him being hooked and he pushed her (Mani) away
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Reply #452 posted 06/22/16 6:28pm

laytonian

BillieBalloon said:

It doesn't make sense to me that prince would almost die on the plane from perecot and then a week later take something a hundred times stronger and pass away. Surely he wouldn't Jump out of the frying pan and into the fire like that? We don't know for sure it wasn't fentanyl on the plane do we?

The initial details of the plane event said "Percocet" and (except for the length of time he spent at the hospital), those reports turned out to be correct.

WHAT IF it had been Percocet....and he flushed whatever supply he had, in an effort to be clean?

Then, "increasingly agitated" (per reports), he found a fentanyl stash at Paisley? It seems to have been just one patch, described as "on him".

When one's been clean for awhile, the dose you've been used to can be detrimental.

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Reply #453 posted 06/22/16 6:38pm

PeteSilas

ya, but he wasn't stupid, why, why why, that's all i can say, why would a guy who did have a lot of self-discipline do it so soon after the near death? makes not sense, if that wouldn't scare him nothing would.

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Reply #454 posted 06/22/16 6:49pm

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RachB65 said:

There are some terrible comments left on that story, many of them scoffing the NYT for even running the article...The cruelty being directed at Prince, Judith and the article being on the site/paper is depressing as hell. Ive spent over an hour replying to some of the ignorant people who spewed their shit. But its a losing battle..every time i go back to the site there are more mean words. Such BS

You should know never to even open the comments section on news articles. It's the absolute worst of the internet. The NYT shouldn't have even allowed comments on that article.
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Reply #455 posted 06/22/16 6:53pm

rogifan

BillieBalloon said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

I'm really beginning to wonder how close he was to anybody and why nobody seemed to know his secrets.


I mean why doesn't anyone know about the person he really loved and who he was dating?


Thank God for Mani at least she knew.

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[Edited 6/22/16 16:49pm]



Maybe he wasn't dating anybody, that's why.
[Edited 6/22/16 17:02pm]


I swear some people are convinced this guy was banging someone every night of the week. rolleyes
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Reply #456 posted 06/22/16 6:56pm

Tresha68

PeteSilas said:

ya, but he wasn't stupid, why, why why, that's all i can say, why would a guy who did have a lot of self-discipline do it so soon after the near death? makes not sense, if that wouldn't scare him nothing would.



Addicts do not think that way. My brother was an addict, he's 14 years c&s. I say addict because it is evident he was sadly addicted. It doesn't matter that he had a NDE. His brain was chemically dependent to these drugs, much like my brother. My brother detoxed alone in his room. He could have died.

He wasn't stupid. He was a man whose brain and body were dependent on chemicals. He physically needed them.

I don't think anyone since Mayte has seen the stripped down man Prince was. He was open to her and when he lost their son and he allowed himself to lose her, he seemed never to be the same person. Understandably, What he needed was counseling, for both emotional and chemical issues.

I do think Judith romanticized their relationship. Prince wrote his life like a song. Sadly, she seems very naive.

He's free now. I wish him peace.
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Reply #457 posted 06/22/16 7:02pm

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I'm creeped out beyond hell and back! This stank gets worse and worse. What's that funky smell? Frenemies. Kirk Johnson left him alone after a death and revival? She went back to Cali and had friends suggest a doctor in Cali that would get him hooked on something else and worse. This shit is makes me MAD! Girlfriend I'm not fooled and if u had anything to do with them both my idols deaths I hope u get hit by a huge truck! I'll see u in hell!
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Reply #458 posted 06/22/16 7:22pm

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panpac777 said:

I'm creeped out beyond hell and back! This stank gets worse and worse. What's that funky smell? Frenemies. Kirk Johnson left him alone after a death and revival? She went back to Cali and had friends suggest a doctor in Cali that would get him hooked on something else and worse. This shit is makes me MAD! Girlfriend I'm not fooled and if u had anything to do with them both my idols deaths I hope u get hit by a huge truck! I'll see u in hell!

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Reply #459 posted 06/22/16 7:29pm

PeteSilas

Tresha68 said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, but he wasn't stupid, why, why why, that's all i can say, why would a guy who did have a lot of self-discipline do it so soon after the near death? makes not sense, if that wouldn't scare him nothing would.

Addicts do not think that way. My brother was an addict, he's 14 years c&s. I say addict because it is evident he was sadly addicted. It doesn't matter that he had a NDE. His brain was chemically dependent to these drugs, much like my brother. My brother detoxed alone in his room. He could have died. He wasn't stupid. He was a man whose brain and body were dependent on chemicals. He physically needed them. I don't think anyone since Mayte has seen the stripped down man Prince was. He was open to her and when he lost their son and he allowed himself to lose her, he seemed never to be the same person. Understandably, What he needed was counseling, for both emotional and chemical issues. I do think Judith romanticized their relationship. Prince wrote his life like a song. Sadly, she seems very naive. He's free now. I wish him peace. [Edited 6/22/16 19:02pm]

half my brain knows that, i had a sister who pretty much drank herself to death and no matter what anyone told her, she still would fall off the wagon. Still, I can't quite understand that kind of thing, i asked her the same question one time when she almost died. i was pissed off and frustrated and exhausted too.

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Reply #460 posted 06/22/16 7:30pm

GhostChick

starkitty said:

I'M AN ASSHOLE but it felt like she had to let us know he was her man

I don't believe Judith was dating him romantically.

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Reply #461 posted 06/22/16 7:56pm

GhostChick

I am noticing all of these "after stories" about Prince and how they felt about him and how they say he made them feel. How he told them he loved them and would always be there for them, etc. I honestly think that Prince was that kind of person that made you feel like you were his best friend and that HE was yours.

I am noticing all of these "after stories" about Prince and how they felt about him and how they say he made them feel. How he told them he loved them and would always be there for them, etc. I honestly think that Prince was that kind of person that made you feel like you were his best friend and that HE was yours.

Judith Hill was mostly likely a musician he was helping "at the time" and then they became close associates. That's it. He probably had other associates who he was closer with during the last 2 or 3 years of his life and some we hear about, some we don't.

Fact of the matter is, we don't know who was close to Prince. Or who he was really close to. Damaris said they had a special, close friendship, Tamron said they were BFFs, now you got Judith saying how much he meant her, same with Mayte and Mani.

I mean goodness, this man had these women whipped lol

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Reply #462 posted 06/22/16 8:03pm

PeteSilas

i'm skeptical of all of them. Elvis had a lot of women claiming him too. some stripper in vegas, tura sutana, claimed to teach him his stage moves, even darlene love said elvis made a pass and said he'd never been with a black girl. truth is, elvis was with black girls before he was elvis.

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Reply #463 posted 06/22/16 8:12pm

wildgoldenhone
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Tresha68 said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

I'm really beginning to wonder how close he was to anybody and why nobody seemed to know his secrets.


I mean why doesn't anyone know about the person he really loved and who he was dating?


Thank God for Mani at least she knew.






I keep reading Mani knew. I obviously missed something.


Well, she made a snippy comment before. But she didn't help him.
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Reply #464 posted 06/22/16 8:19pm

PeteSilas

wildgoldenhoney said:

Tresha68 said:
I keep reading Mani knew. I obviously missed something.
Well, she made a snippy comment before. But she didn't help him.

is that your pic wild? anyway, mani's statement is vague i didn't know if she meant Prince had mental or drug issues or both. wendy and lisa mentioned something about Prince that they said wouldn't get better as he got older, i thought they may have been saying he was manic which would make sense to me.

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Reply #465 posted 06/22/16 9:24pm

Marta

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PeteSilas said:



wildgoldenhoney said:


Tresha68 said:
I keep reading Mani knew. I obviously missed something.

Well, she made a snippy comment before. But she didn't help him.

is that your pic wild? anyway, mani's statement is vague i didn't know if she meant Prince had mental or drug issues or both. wendy and lisa mentioned something about Prince that they said wouldn't get better as he got older, i thought they may have been saying he was manic which would make sense to me.



Is that statement from Manuela on here somewhere?
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Reply #466 posted 06/22/16 9:25pm

morningsong

Tresha68 said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

I'm really beginning to wonder how close he was to anybody and why nobody seemed to know his secrets.


I mean why doesn't anyone know about the person he really loved and who he was dating?


Thank God for Mani at least she knew.




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[Edited 6/22/16 16:49pm]


I keep reading Mani knew. I obviously missed something.



Back in 2011 she made a facebook comment that pretty much compared Prince to Charlie Sheen. And we all knew Charlie's drug issues back then. Then after she got some pretty bad feedback, she removed it and sort of apologized maybe, but it still sounded like she was implying Prince had a problem.
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Reply #467 posted 06/22/16 9:50pm

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And the zootopia Disney reference. Omg. Really? Unless she is hinting at him becoming a father. Wtf?
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Lady cab driver- this ones for the tourists at Disneyland.
Reality or nightmare? Take your pick!
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Reply #468 posted 06/22/16 10:18pm

ISaidLifeIsJus
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Its all PR for Judith Hill. The article is self serving.

This article intended for you to feel sorry for her. The article served it's purpose.

Did she tell this tale to Prince's family before going to the media?

Its obvious this article was orchestrated by her publicist.

Dont be fooled.

She was only an industry "friend" of Prince.

It makes me feel so sorry for Prince, and the last thing I ever wanted for Prince was for me to feel sorry for him.

I couldnt imagine a life without a friend....somewhere, anywhere, anyone.... that wouldnt sell their soul to the media.

If you were a friend a Prince, you wouldnt go to the media to release INTIMATE details so soon.

Also, Judith wants you to know..."I am on tour now, buy your tickets, y'all!"

Karma.

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Reply #469 posted 06/22/16 10:33pm

Fiona2006

laurarichardson said:

terrig said:

She talks enough to get herself mentioned in the NYT but not enough to really say anything. This makes me queasy.


-- What else do you want her to say? She can only say what she knows and saw. I cannot imagine almost seeing your man die in front of you.



He was not "her man."
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Reply #470 posted 06/22/16 10:33pm

Marta

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morningsong said:

Tresha68 said:



I keep reading Mani knew. I obviously missed something.



Back in 2011 she made a facebook comment that pretty much compared Prince to Charlie Sheen. And we all knew Charlie's drug issues back then. Then after she got some pretty bad feedback, she removed it and sort of apologized maybe, but it still sounded like she was implying Prince had a problem.

Thank you. ..I found it.
"Hoping never to see prince on 20/20 doing a charlie sheen-esque rant. so sad."

I guess she thought we all would know what she was talking about by osmosis.

Yet..she "reached out" to him a week before he died (..thank goodness, he didn't reach back) to let him know that she wanted to "build a school in his honor"..and she thought he would want to be involved in choosing a location (..and perhaps show his interest via his wallet. Oops..did I type that?! ..And or get him all attached to her ba-a-abies. ..Oops...again. The schools that she now has his fans funding under the guise of "honoring" him. ...Riding the wave while it's hot.

Sorry ..kind of/sort of....that's jmvho.
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Reply #471 posted 06/22/16 10:34pm

ForeverPaisley

AnnaStesia10 said:

Wow! Even though I agree she is saying alot without say anything that is frustrating. But sadly this is the most we have gotten in weeks. It sounds to me like she is admitting he knew he had a drug issue and was trying to seek help. So this poses more questions in my mind, what the heck happened on 4/20-4/21/16? I don't see if he had a close call like that using the same drugs that almost killed him just 6 days prior. Man, have more questions now. Unless the whole ordeal just wore his body out. And yet they found Fentanyl in his system wonder how long that stays in your system? Oh man, oh man.

That basically is addiction in a torturous & devastating nutshell tho...

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Reply #472 posted 06/22/16 10:37pm

ForeverPaisley

2020 said:

This is very comforting to hear some real news of what exactly happened. So glad she was with him and that he was dedicated to getting the help he needed. As others have stated very confusing why he would ever be left alone under such circumstances

That's easy for us to think that, but this is Prince we're talking about, their boss - for all intents and purposes, and even if not directly... If he pointedly said I'm going up to sleep now, alone (or whatever the heck went down), who were they to/how were they to fight him on that? sad

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Reply #473 posted 06/22/16 10:46pm

Fiona2006

nursev said:



makeadifference said:




nursev said:



He hid it cause he was a perfectionist....the man was all about his craft. His fans wouldve rather he retired though. At least he'd still be here. Can you imagine the amount of pain he was in while performing? Breaks my heart.




I see what you're saying, possibly when it comes to performing .. but I'm talking about the day-to-day interactions at PP. I just find it hard to believe he was moving "swiftly" in elevated shoes when he didn't have to .. while in so much pain. Just doesn't add up. Those who were close to him would have noticed him slowing down or maybe hear him mention his pain.



Not really...remember this is a man who hid the death of his child too. Prince only let you see or know just what you needed to and nothing more. People function with pain daily.



I think he was in emotional pain also, as has been noted by his comments and emotions at times in the last concert. I believe the death of his friend Vanity triggered some sadness and depression.
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Reply #474 posted 06/22/16 10:48pm

ForeverPaisley

nursev said:

makeadifference said:

I'm glad he left this world in the middle of such a close friendship. I'm sorry Judith has to bear the burden of "what if."

I'm now starting to wonder just how serious his hip pain really was. If she was so close to him, how did she not know he was in major pain? She said he moved "swiftly" and there was no evidence of hip pain. Also, the YouTuber .. Maya, I think her name was, who photographed Prince for his last album said the same thing .. no evidence of pain and that he moved swiftly in platform flip flops or something. Has there ever been footage of him hobbling? I'm wondering if somehow he got hooked on the painkillers but without the pain. The reason I bring this up is because it explains how he could have hid his addiction so well.

He hid it cause he was a perfectionist....the man was all about his craft. His fans wouldve rather he retired though. At least he'd still be here. Can you imagine the amount of pain he was in while performing? Breaks my heart.

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Reply #475 posted 06/22/16 10:49pm

Fiona2006

Purpleone4Eva said:

Beyond heartbreaking. I knew she was having a hard time with his passing, but now I understand a little more just how difficult it is for her particularly. That last paragraph about him fighting to come back to those voices... if only he knew how much he needed those voices on the night of April 20th to bring him back and get him help.





She obviously had a crush on him. he helped so many performers, especially women, and he was a very charismatic man. It almost sounds like he didn't want to come back, noting how hard it was.
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Reply #476 posted 06/22/16 10:51pm

Fiona2006

cindyt said:



jumanji2016 said:


The last sentence of this really hurts...
He told her: “ ‘I had to fight for my life. I remember hearing your voices from afar and saying to myself, ‘Follow the voices, follow the voices, get back in your body, you gotta to do this.’ And he said it was the hardest thing he’d ever done, to get back into his body like that.”

sad sad sad [Edited 6/21/16 17:56pm]

so if he fought to get back in his body that hard 6 days before, you going to tell me he turned right around and took the same thing 6 days later? wow, no way.


Just by him saying it was the hardest thing he had ever done makes me think he didn't want to come back.
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Reply #477 posted 06/22/16 10:54pm

morningsong

ForeverPaisley said:



2020 said:


This is very comforting to hear some real news of what exactly happened. So glad she was with him and that he was dedicated to getting the help he needed. As others have stated very confusing why he would ever be left alone under such circumstances


That's easy for us to think that, but this is Prince we're talking about, their boss - for all intents and purposes, and even if not directly... If he pointedly said I'm going up to sleep now, alone (or whatever the heck went down), who were they to/how were they to fight him on that? sad




Sweet talk him? Go in use the restroom, get a glass of water, pretend to fall asleep on the couch? Have a Zootopia party? Accidently leave your keys, waller, postage stamps in the closet? Idk, be creative and don't leave,
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Reply #478 posted 06/22/16 10:58pm

ForeverPaisley

PeteSilas said:

nursev said:

Not really...remember this is a man who hid the death of his child too. Prince only let you see or know just what you needed to and nothing more. People function with pain daily.

absolutely, as we all learned later, the death of his son was a tragedy which scarred him, at the time, people were speculating that something was wrong with him because his public appearances made it appear that nothing was out of the ordinary.

I agree.

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Reply #479 posted 06/22/16 11:09pm

ForeverPaisley

jumanji2016 said:

disch said:

I agree. Some are assuming that that his hip pain was current and severe, but we don't actually know that, any more than we know anything else about his health history.

It's possible that the hip surgery he had (evidence being the hip scar noted in his death report) alleviated his pain but sadly he was already addicted to the pain medication at that point. We just don't know sad

I think it was very severe just in analyzing all of the type of movements he used to do and some he continued to do. The guy did splits until he was 40. Even after that he continued to dance significantly. I've seen video footage of the falls he used to take on stage---that shit would have me sore for a few days and I'm 27. Dancers are athletes, they soak in bath salts after performances just like basketball players and football players. Not sure why people are so quick to undermine the severity of his condition, because he didn't run around town bitching about it or telling everyone his business. The average 57-year-old, that hasn't lived life as a dancer or physical performer has hip-and-joint problems. As much as we treated him like an enigma, he was still FIFTY-SEVEN. Michael Jackson died at 50, and his autopsy revealed that he was suffering from osteo-arthritis. Prince probably had arthritis, bursitis, agitated pain from hip surgery, etc. and everything else that people his age typically encounter PLUS more from all that he gave on stage. (P.S. Morris Day said he had that surgery YEARS ago, because he suggested it after he had his own. The scar just confirms it. Not sure why people still pontificate over this.) Surgery can only do so much.

Exactly, and osteo-artritis is debilitating on it's own. Also, it is possible that his other hip was experiencing pain, from inadvertantly overcompensating post surgery of the other hip. And, some people do not get relief from hip replacement (which is tragic because it is an extremely traumatic ordeal for your body - to go through and not get relief from it is too sad). Also, people thinking he couldn't been in that much pain just because he didn't show it, Prince was exceptional at creating outward appearances that didn't reveal what was really going on underneath the layers.

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