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RodeoSchro said:

khelm9 said:

Why is everyone so up in arms over people buying bootlegs? Prince is sadly no longer with us, and anyone that would profit off the sale of his music at this point has about as much right to it as we do. Frankly P did his fans a disservice throughout the years by not letting his albums get re-mastered on CD. I know the issues with record labels were partly to blame, but come on, it could have gotten done. Well guess what? I just got the 2011 Purple Rain remaster and it sounds incredible. I will have 1999 and Controversy here in the next few weeks. These should have been out a long time ago. Sorry but I don't feel bad about buying them. If anything, bootlegs will keep his legacy alive going forward. Just my 2 cents.

This reminds me of something us old people noticed a few years ago:

My generation paid for its music and we got Prince, Springsteen, Bowie, Hendrix, Dylan, the Stones, Aerosmith, etc., etc., etc.

The last couple generations mostly steal their music and they get Beiber, Rihanna, Kanye West, Drake, etc., etc., etc.

I guess you get what you pay for.

Cute, but your generation also gave the world Herman's Hermits, The Osmonds, Air Supply, crippling retirement costs, etc. etc., etc. Millennials haven't had time to launch musicians to decades of success until they sell out or become irrelevant (see Aerosmith and Dylan's Christmas album), but they have given us Kendrick Lamar, Arcade Fire, Father John Misty, etc., etc., etc. Are you somewhere telling the damn kids to get off your lawn? I bet there was someone from the greatest generation telling you how much your music wasn't like the music "in his day" when you were growing up like a gumdang freeloader.

RodeoSchro said:

This reminds me of something us old people noticed a few years ago:

My generation paid for its music and we got Prince, Springsteen, Bowie, Hendrix, Dylan, the Stones, Aerosmith, etc., etc., etc.

The last couple generations mostly steal their music and they get Beiber, Rihanna, Kanye West, Drake, etc., etc., etc.

I guess you get what you pay for.

How about I spend my hard earned money on what I want and you do the same.

Prince boots have helped me sustain my interest in Prince over the years when he was releasing stuff that I was not all that interested in (yet I still bought it). Also, the fans I've interacted with over the years have been really cool.

I like buying boots if they are something that I will likely listen to over and over again. Getting a free download of something I will listen to once and likley not again is fine as well.

I don't see any conflicts. Prince still got a bunch of my money over the years, perhaps more because of boots. Had it not been for great boots, I would have moved on a long time ago and none of my moeny would be going to Prince.

Some stuff has surfaced for FREE that he did with 3rd Eye Girl, actually a lot of soundboard and also on video it seems there is a legit source of it too. Back in the 90's I would buy anything and honestly I could barely listen to the LIVE shows, they were awful sound all of them here and there would be a soundboard. Studio stuff unreleased it has LONG been debated about the source especially in the 90's when he was fighitng WB, that he somehow was letting this stuff out through various trusted sources.

It remains to be seen what actually will be released, and when, or in some cases if EVER. I think there will be a last recording release at some point. His re-signing with WB is still in question though, how long was it for, was it just to get his masters or was it more albums. If he signed an actual deal where he promised albums to them in return for masters etc...then they will have to fulfill that contract in some way, be it re-issues, remasters, live stuff whatever it may be.

kev1n said:

I'm sorry but those godfather, sabotage and moonraker boots are worth the price,... Not talking about those insane asking prices on ebay (notice nobody is actually paying those), but the decent labels put a lot of effort in packaging, research, editing and remastering that you just don't get in tape trading. Until princes estate starts something similar to Dylan's bootleg series I m enjoying my lovesexy shows, small club, Vienna ball and so many other records ( record as in preserved for the future) of those incredible moments. Why should it all fade into nothing? Seriously, why? As for downloading for free? If that's ur thing have at it... I live by my mantra: movies and music are like sex, physical is always better than digital. Just my 2 cents

I agree on the physical part but at the rate that stores are closing even here in NYC that a few months ago had about 6 record stores vinyl, rare, some boot etc...four of them closed due to rents in Manhattan and really too much going up online. The sabotage and moonraker studio stuff was amazing the Small club etc... However I really have my concerns with what his estate is going to do with the music, the vaults that is. The red tape on that is gonna be insane, some people are saying they'll see releases this year? Are they kidding? That really is wishful thinking, its gonna take a few, I think what you might see is some repackaging of hits, possibly warner putting some new compilation together to "cash in" on holiday sales, sorry to say it that way, but we know that is gonna happen.

Moonbeam said:

databank said:

It's a bit unfair because we also had Kylie Minogue, New Kids On The Block, Sandra, Jason Donovan and so on. Commercial crap had coexisted with true artists since the very beginning of the record industry. The only difference is that real talents, for the most part, are not being pushed by majors as much as they were, so the general public is less aware of their existence, and it's a pity, but they are still there and they still get record deals. I listen to a shitload of new/young artists, and there's a shitload of talented ones, only their music is more confidential than it used to, but they're here if u're curious enough to find them.

Hey now! Kylie has some awesome stuff. Granted, it wasn't her 80s material, but her stuff from 1997-2003 is very high quality.

I haven't heard much of it, but I was talking about her Stock Aitken Waterman debuts. Ever since it's still entertainment for the masses anyway, not much creativity in what I've heard, and I do not believe she writes her own songs, does she?

khelm9 said:

suomynona said:

1. Because nobody should be spending money on bootlegs. They are widely available on the internet in lossless quality -- for free. On ebay, they aren't listed as bootlegs -- and the quality is incredibly poor (see the Piano & Microphone boots). Supposedly there's a Piano & Microphone record ready to go in perfect sound quality. In other words -- pay for good quality -- download the audience recordings for free off the internet. Don't give anyone $800 for a 2CD bootleg.
2. Everyone except those that could find no wrong in anything Prince did while alive -- and now dead, apparently, agrees with you completely (on this alone).
3. Are you saying that you knowingly spent anything more than a nickel on remasters that weren't actually remasters -- but were bootlegs? If so, ! If you're actually referring to the vinyl remasters from the past couple of years... then those aren't bootlegs.

If you want to throw your money away, good for you. Do it while you can because eventually someone from the estate/trust will crackdown on ebay/amazon and other online sites where sellers are lying to buyers by not telling them that they are spending $800 on audience recordings. The estate/trust will shut down all of the fake CDs that were never released on CD.

OK poor wording on my part. Yes, these are the 2011 remasters and are as you put it, lossless quality. Bootleg is probably not the right word for these recordings.

Then why not update your original post so people stop responding to it thinking you meant something else?

h4rm0ny said:

RodeoSchro said:

This reminds me of something us old people noticed a few years ago:

My generation paid for its music and we got Prince, Springsteen, Bowie, Hendrix, Dylan, the Stones, Aerosmith, etc., etc., etc.

The last couple generations mostly steal their music and they get Beiber, Rihanna, Kanye West, Drake, etc., etc., etc.

I guess you get what you pay for.

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I know you meant this to be deep and all "Lol young people" but...uh. I hate to break it to you that this is neither deep nor clever.

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Prince, Hendrix, Dylan, and the Rolling Stones were heavily bootlegged. Your generation stole their music and sold it at a profit for yourselves. Also, Aerosmith just sucks.

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Kanye West and Rihanna blew up before the advent of mass piracy and album leaks. Drake rode in on the internet mixtape wave, releasing all his music for free, himself.

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I'm sorry for interrupting your attempt at dunking on millennials but uh...yeah.

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First of all, granted - all those artists were bootlegged. Key word being "bootlegged". All the official stuff they released? We paid for it with money. Millenials, on the other hand, generally DON'T pay for officially released stuff. Y'all steal it (cue the "I've paid for every song on my Zune!" responses).

I have never owned a copy of an official release of Prince, Springsteen or anyone else that I didn't pay for with my own money. How many millenials can say that?

Here is a great example of the dichotomy between my generation and your generation. It concerns this great new invention called Yondr which makes it impossible for you to use your phone to ruin concerts....errrrr, "create memories":

http://jezebel.com/is-thi...1782156785

A take from a 53-year-old fan outside the Keys concert: “It’s annoying when people have their phones out, lights blaring. They can’t stop texting. It’s disrespectful, and I like Alicia Keys. I don’t need to put out her stuff early. They should do this in more places.”

Another take from a 24-year-old: “In this day and age, my phone is how I keep my memory. Chris Brown. Jason Derulo. I have their footage on my phone. If you don’t want your music heard, then don’t perform it.”

mtlfan said:

RodeoSchro said:

This reminds me of something us old people noticed a few years ago:

My generation paid for its music and we got Prince, Springsteen, Bowie, Hendrix, Dylan, the Stones, Aerosmith, etc., etc., etc.

The last couple generations mostly steal their music and they get Beiber, Rihanna, Kanye West, Drake, etc., etc., etc.

I guess you get what you pay for.

Cute, but your generation also gave the world Herman's Hermits, The Osmonds, Air Supply, crippling retirement costs, etc. etc., etc. Millennials haven't had time to launch musicians to decades of success until they sell out or become irrelevant (see Aerosmith and Dylan's Christmas album), but they have given us Kendrick Lamar, Arcade Fire, Father John Misty, etc., etc., etc. Are you somewhere telling the damn kids to get off your lawn? I bet there was someone from the greatest generation telling you how much your music wasn't like the music "in his day" when you were growing up like a gumdang freeloader.

Hell yes I am! Get off my lawn! Now, I am off to yell at some clouds.

rob1965 said:

Prince always was against bootlegging. The band U2 didn't mind being bootlegged. Even better: they invited fans to share live concerts through the www. And both Prince and U2 are the most bootlegged artists around. Ever. But both had their points. But whatever you do, as long as there's there's music there will be bootlegging. I wonder btw what is worse: bootlegging (and sharing) live concerts that never will be officially released in the first place or copying (and sharing) official discography albums while they can be bought online or at the wrecka staw. What does more financial damage to an artist?? I think I know the answer.

Clearly the latter, which is why my generation is still the Greatest Generation.