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Thread started 08/10/16 4:18am

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Read about Patrick Cousins. This is the asshat who represented Carlin Q Williams

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/10/prince-s-shady-ex-lawyer-is-back.html

I am glad to see someone in the media who knows how to do some investigative journalism. This guy has been running cons using Prince’s name for some time and the inmate thing was just one of a few frauds he has conducted since Prince terminated their business relationship.

I cannot also figure out why the Browner Brothers thought that Prince would perform at a hair show!!!!

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Reply #1 posted 08/10/16 9:24am

PurpleDiamonds
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eek
Interesting. Once again poor Prince sad
Seems this guy had his sticky fingers in a few places.
Wonder how he got involved with P in the first place...Did he know Kirk?
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Reply #2 posted 08/10/16 10:37am

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laurarichardson said:

http://www.thedailybeast....-back.html

I am glad to see someone in the media who knows how to do some investigative journalism. This guy has been running cons using Prince’s name for some time and the inmate thing was just one of a few frauds he has conducted since Prince terminated their business relationship.

I cannot also figure out why the Browner Brothers thought that Prince would perform at a hair show!!!!

Damn! Poor Prince. Starts explaining a lot.

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Reply #3 posted 08/10/16 11:03am

Giovanni777

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Could you imagine if Prince's will was done with this jerk off? This guy sold an historical church in Minnie that Prince owned after his death.

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Count the number of times Prince has referenced a will in his songs and in conversation... even recently on Lotusflow3r.

"He's a musician's musician..."
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Reply #4 posted 08/10/16 11:09am

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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

eek
Interesting. Once again poor Prince sad
Seems this guy had his sticky fingers in a few places.
Wonder how he got involved with P in the first place...Did he know Kirk?

-/ There's another interview with him were he said he started out doing copyright work for Prince. To be fair you hire an attorney you do not expect them to be common theif. Someone should have reported him to the bar association a long time ago. I hope the estate can do something about the church.
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Reply #5 posted 08/10/16 11:48am

theartistirl

I wonder was this the clown who made the deal on the Dublin concert in 2008 with MCD, claiming to be his representative? That whole thing never added up.
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Reply #6 posted 08/10/16 12:28pm

TrivialPursuit

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The dude grew up and knew how to really handle business in situations like this. Princeistory is full of stuff like this - folks trying to take advantage.

That Cousin's MFer isn't the first to try and take advantage of Prince. When you're in a position like Prince, unfortunately, it comes with the territory. It sucks that he got yanked in as much as he did in 2008/2009, but he quickly cut ties it sounds like. He didn't suffer fools gladly (except Tony M.), so I can see him ditching that asshole asap.

This Cousins guy though - they're a dime a dozen, and they're all over the place. They'll scam the shoes off a one-legged homeless guy. He's also mildly obsessed. Reminds me of a couple of folks that used to be on the Org a decade ago.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #7 posted 08/10/16 12:43pm

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I also wonder if he had some fault in the 3121 cologne lawsuit Prince loss for not advertising enough (paraphasing).

Asshat. That is funny.

This cat is bad news. Make matters worse, he runs the Carlin Q as a potential heir? This dude needs an asswooping.

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Reply #8 posted 08/10/16 12:54pm

TrivialPursuit

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nelcp777 said:

I also wonder if he had some fault in the 3121 cologne lawsuit Prince loss for not advertising enough (paraphasing).

Asshat. That is funny.

This cat is bad news. Make matters worse, he runs the Carlin Q as a potential heir? This dude needs an asswooping.


Wore some of that the other day.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #9 posted 08/10/16 12:54pm

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theartistirl said:

I wonder was this the clown who made the deal on the Dublin concert in 2008 with MCD, claiming to be his representative? That whole thing never added up.

-// I would not be surprised if he did continue to pretend to represent Prince to promotors. Seems like Prince got a bad rap for being hard on people but sometimes you have to be look at scam artist.
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Reply #10 posted 08/10/16 3:16pm

PeteSilas

sometimes you do have to be an asshole, as i've gotten older I've understood many of the things Prince has done, others, I still think were unnecessary and petulant. As a musician myself, one thing I've learned is that it's impossible to get exactly what you want out of a relationship, whether it's a photographer, a graphic designer or another musician, you're lucky if you can get 75% there. People always come in with their own ideas and just fuck everything up, that's not to mention laziness and just screwed up personalities. I work alone so I can avoid it but i will say this, most of the time, it's a headache trying to get things done working with other people. I'm not like Prince, i don't like being mean to people so I stay alone.

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Reply #11 posted 08/10/16 3:26pm

PeteSilas

ya, the guys an asshole, plenty of them in the world. I've often wondered if prince delegated jobs to jackasses like this who got him into trouble with fans. the thing about being an artist is, you can't put but so much time into money worries, you just can't. The consequence is, if you don't have good people, everyone will get shorted. I read an article by the people who worked on P's musicology tour, they said something very interesting, that they gave him a check for 44 million when it was over and that he jumped up and down but that they could have given him a check for half that and he would have been just as happy and wouldn't have been the wiser. it happens to all great artists it seems. billy Joel dealt with two major heartbreaks over managers by just not even putting out any popular music anymore. Some guys, like Elvis, just accepted unfair treatment and kept on working himself right into the grave. Prince had a great team around him in the eighties but he got too bigheaded and canned them all, it sounds like it was a mixed bag ever since then.

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Reply #12 posted 08/10/16 5:12pm

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PeteSilas said:

ya, the guys an asshole, plenty of them in the world. I've often wondered if prince delegated jobs to jackasses like this who got him into trouble with fans. the thing about being an artist is, you can't put but so much time into money worries, you just can't. The consequence is, if you don't have good people, everyone will get shorted. I read an article by the people who worked on P's musicology tour, they said something very interesting, that they gave him a check for 44 million when it was over and that he jumped up and down but that they could have given him a check for half that and he would have been just as happy and wouldn't have been the wiser. it happens to all great artists it seems. billy Joel dealt with two major heartbreaks over managers by just not even putting out any popular music anymore. Some guys, like Elvis, just accepted unfair treatment and kept on working himself right into the grave. Prince had a great team around him in the eighties but he got too bigheaded and canned them all, it sounds like it was a mixed bag ever since then.


--- That is not what Alan Leeds said. Prince felt the commissions and management fees were too high so he fired everybody but over the years he had managers and lawyers. Alan said he thought Prince would fail handling some his affairs himself but in the end Prince was making more money touring recently than he did back in the 80s. In fact it was his idea to bundle the CD with the concert tickets and made a bundle. I think it was very telling that he told the AGE live guys that Musicology was the most money he took home from a concert tour. It took 25 years for him to pull off. Tells me he may not have the best people around back in the day.
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Reply #13 posted 08/10/16 5:28pm

PeteSilas

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, the guys an asshole, plenty of them in the world. I've often wondered if prince delegated jobs to jackasses like this who got him into trouble with fans. the thing about being an artist is, you can't put but so much time into money worries, you just can't. The consequence is, if you don't have good people, everyone will get shorted. I read an article by the people who worked on P's musicology tour, they said something very interesting, that they gave him a check for 44 million when it was over and that he jumped up and down but that they could have given him a check for half that and he would have been just as happy and wouldn't have been the wiser. it happens to all great artists it seems. billy Joel dealt with two major heartbreaks over managers by just not even putting out any popular music anymore. Some guys, like Elvis, just accepted unfair treatment and kept on working himself right into the grave. Prince had a great team around him in the eighties but he got too bigheaded and canned them all, it sounds like it was a mixed bag ever since then.

--- That is not what Alan Leeds said. Prince felt the commissions and management fees were too high so he fired everybody but over the years he had managers and lawyers. Alan said he thought Prince would fail handling some his affairs himself but in the end Prince was making more money touring recently than he did back in the 80s. In fact it was his idea to bundle the CD with the concert tickets and made a bundle. I think it was very telling that he told the AGE live guys that Musicology was the most money he took home from a concert tour. It took 25 years for him to pull off. Tells me he may not have the best people around back in the day.

Aside from money, he had plenty of people who were competent around him and could take care of things. He told fargnoli that if he couldn't get him a movie, then he was fired. fargnoli did it, and he actually said prince instructed him not to involve his mob buddies, prince sounds as naive as anyone in those days but he knew what he wanted. He also had the brilliant howard bloom and of course alan leeds, the purple rain juggernaut was his vision but he didn't do it alone. he got wiser the older he got and made plenty of mistakes during those years. Whether those managers were asking so much that they were ripping him off, I don't honestly know.

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Reply #14 posted 08/11/16 1:33am

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PeteSilas said:



laurarichardson said:


PeteSilas said:

ya, the guys an asshole, plenty of them in the world. I've often wondered if prince delegated jobs to jackasses like this who got him into trouble with fans. the thing about being an artist is, you can't put but so much time into money worries, you just can't. The consequence is, if you don't have good people, everyone will get shorted. I read an article by the people who worked on P's musicology tour, they said something very interesting, that they gave him a check for 44 million when it was over and that he jumped up and down but that they could have given him a check for half that and he would have been just as happy and wouldn't have been the wiser. it happens to all great artists it seems. billy Joel dealt with two major heartbreaks over managers by just not even putting out any popular music anymore. Some guys, like Elvis, just accepted unfair treatment and kept on working himself right into the grave. Prince had a great team around him in the eighties but he got too bigheaded and canned them all, it sounds like it was a mixed bag ever since then.



--- That is not what Alan Leeds said. Prince felt the commissions and management fees were too high so he fired everybody but over the years he had managers and lawyers. Alan said he thought Prince would fail handling some his affairs himself but in the end Prince was making more money touring recently than he did back in the 80s. In fact it was his idea to bundle the CD with the concert tickets and made a bundle. I think it was very telling that he told the AGE live guys that Musicology was the most money he took home from a concert tour. It took 25 years for him to pull off. Tells me he may not have the best people around back in the day.

Aside from money, he had plenty of people who were competent around him and could take care of things. He told fargnoli that if he couldn't get him a movie, then he was fired. fargnoli did it, and he actually said prince instructed him not to involve his mob buddies, prince sounds as naive as anyone in those days but he knew what he wanted. He also had the brilliant howard bloom and of course alan leeds, the purple rain juggernaut was his vision but he didn't do it alone. he got wiser the older he got and made plenty of mistakes during those years. Whether those managers were asking so much that they were ripping him off, I don't honestly know.


// Well Alan Leeds has said bad things about his managers. I can rember reading interviews with band members and some is in Possessed that none could stand Fagoli. In business you always have risk nothing is ganranteed.
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Reply #15 posted 08/11/16 2:01am

PeteSilas

never heard leeds saying anything about fargnoli, i have heard the other members of the revolution didn't like him, but that's like saying no one liked colonel tom parker, it's almost normal, the manager's job is to get the best positive deal for themselves and their artist. Prince was usually right about firing people, most people couldn't keep up with him, or his vision. Most people cannot understand a vision like that and he still made it happen although he had to kick a lot of people to the curb who helped him. they started getting in the way.

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