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meagemini2

A new article by production secretary Maureen Herman

https://i2.wp.com/media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/prince-1.jpg?w=1200

I know that there has been some speculation or question about the hip surgery. This is what she wrote;

"I can’t help but fast forward now to the ensuing decades of performance and the toll it obviously took on his body, leading to his double hip replacement surgery in 2010. The surgery failed to relieve his pain, and so his long-term chronic pain treatment began."

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Reply #1 posted 06/05/16 11:15pm

RachB65

That was a great article. The author also seems to state as fact or common knowledge that Prince DID have hip replacement surgery in 2010 and it didnt alleviate his pain. There was another article posted on this site which claimed he had the surgery but exerted himself onstage afterward to the point of re-injuring himself n leaving him in pain once again..
"It’s not like some people get addicted to these drugs and others don’t. Anyone taking them for longer than a few days becomes physically dependent on these drugs. That, right now, is the best the medical community has to offer for chronic pain management"
"To me, addiction-shaming is akin to rape victim-shaming. Both inhibit disclosure, reporting, and ultimately, getting help. ".

"Every derogatory comment made about Prince for his chronic pain and addiction is like another nail in his coffin, or the next friend, or the next brother, or sister, or son, or daughter."
[Edited 6/5/16 23:16pm]
"Almost all art is trying to become an anaesthetic and at the same time a healing session drawing up the magical electrics.”
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Reply #2 posted 06/05/16 11:46pm

EnDoRpHn

RachB65 said:

That was a great article. The author also seems to state as fact or common knowledge that Prince DID have hip replacement surgery in 2010 and it didnt alleviate his pain. There was another article posted on this site which claimed he had the surgery but exerted himself onstage afterward to the point of re-injuring himself n leaving him in pain once again..
"It’s not like some people get addicted to these drugs and others don’t. Anyone taking them for longer than a few days becomes physically dependent on these drugs. That, right now, is the best the medical community has to offer for chronic pain management"
"To me, addiction-shaming is akin to rape victim-shaming. Both inhibit disclosure, reporting, and ultimately, getting help. ".

"Every derogatory comment made about Prince for his chronic pain and addiction is like another nail in his coffin, or the next friend, or the next brother, or sister, or son, or daughter."
[Edited 6/5/16 23:16pm]


I couldn't get to it with the link you provided. Instead, I found it here:
https://boingboing.net/20...e-and.html
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Reply #3 posted 06/05/16 11:50pm

Rebeljuice

He only had one scar according to that report, so it wasnt a double replacement. But the story could still be valid.

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Reply #4 posted 06/05/16 11:52pm

sunset3121

However, from the report, he only had one scar on his hip (which seemed to be there in the 80's) so I don't know how they managed to get in to replace these hips!

Oh, what a tangled web we weave

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Reply #5 posted 06/06/16 12:05am

leecaldon

sunset3121 said:

However, from the report, he only had one scar on his hip (which seemed to be there in the 80's) so I don't know how they managed to get in to replace these hips!

Oh, what a tangled web we weave

Wasn't the 'scar' from the 80s a gold chain?

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Reply #6 posted 06/06/16 1:38am

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meagemini2 said:


https://i2.wp.com/media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/prince-1.jpg?w=1200



I know that there has been some speculation or question about the hip surgery. This is what she wrote;




"I can’t help but fast forward now to the ensuing decades of performance and the toll it obviously took on his body, leading to his double hip replacement surgery in 2010. The surgery failed to relieve his pain, and so his long-term chronic pain treatment began."



Thank you for posting this!! 😊
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Reply #7 posted 06/06/16 1:53am

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Rebeljuice said:

He only had one scar according to that report, so it wasnt a double replacement. But the story could still be valid.


-- He had two not one.
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Reply #8 posted 06/06/16 2:04am

Rebeljuice

laurarichardson said:

Rebeljuice said:

He only had one scar according to that report, so it wasnt a double replacement. But the story could still be valid.

-- He had two not one.

One on his left hip. The other was lower leg so certainly nowt to do with hip surgery.

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Reply #9 posted 06/06/16 3:12am

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If this person last saw Prince in 1990, how on earth would she be able to provide any credible info on whether he had hip surgery in 2010?

This is not music, this is a trip
No, it's not a drug, it's something more hip
Don't need no reefer, don't need cocaine
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Reply #10 posted 06/06/16 4:03am

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How in the world could he have had a double hip replacement if the medical examiners report says he had ONE scar on his left hip? That does not sound correct. He was suffering from some type of horrible pain. And it appeared to be his hips or knees. He was walking with a cane. And toward the end of his life, when did you see him at concerts dancing and and jumping off pianos etc? Never!

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Reply #11 posted 06/06/16 4:34am

PurpleMusic07

yeahronimo said:

If this person last saw Prince in 1990, how on earth would she be able to provide any credible info on whether he had hip surgery in 2010?



She had last seen HIM, but it's definitely ann industry where everyone knows everyone somwhere down the line, so i wouldnt be surprised if a mutal acquaintance mentioned the surgery to her. Perhaps at one point he had considered a double replacement and then for whatever reason opted to only do one side.
"Where you are now is in a place that does not require time." - Rest In Power, PRINCE
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Reply #12 posted 06/06/16 5:08am

jcurley

What I want to know is, yes Prince was goin to be treated for drug addiction. However were there alternatives to his pain management? Were there equivalents to the relief he was using? God if not Id personally rather be gone!
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Reply #13 posted 06/06/16 5:45am

Blakbear

You know, I wonder if he ever had laser therapy. I've used it on animals before, and seen somewhat mixed results, not gonna lie. Some it helped, some it didn't. I've tried it on my back, and it did me little good, honestly, but it did turn down the pain a couple notches.

But still, I wonder if it might have given him a bit of relief over time. It doesn't replace painkillers, though -- it was used in addition to, and often the pet could take less medicine over time.

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Reply #14 posted 06/06/16 6:19am

jcurley

Blakbear said:

You know, I wonder if he ever had laser therapy. I've used it on animals before, and seen somewhat mixed results, not gonna lie. Some it helped, some it didn't. I've tried it on my back, and it did me little good, honestly, but it did turn down the pain a couple notches.



But still, I wonder if it might have given him a bit of relief over time. It doesn't replace painkillers, though -- it was used in addition to, and often the pet could take less medicine over time.



Don't lamblast me but all I've got in my head is an image of prince on the second dust cover of 1999 with the venetian blinds. God I love Prince !"
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Reply #15 posted 06/06/16 6:34am

Bunsterdk

Don't they do one at a time? If it didn't help or even made matters worse that would explain why he had only one even if two were planned?

Great article. Made me cry all over again. But good and necessary message.
[Edited 6/6/16 6:35am]
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Reply #16 posted 06/06/16 8:43am

TrivialPursuit

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EnDoRpHn said:

RachB65 said:
That was a great article. The author also seems to state as fact or common knowledge that Prince DID have hip replacement surgery in 2010 and it didnt alleviate his pain. There was another article posted on this site which claimed he had the surgery but exerted himself onstage afterward to the point of re-injuring himself n leaving him in pain once again.. "It’s not like some people get addicted to these drugs and others don’t. Anyone taking them for longer than a few days becomes physically dependent on these drugs. That, right now, is the best the medical community has to offer for chronic pain management" "To me, addiction-shaming is akin to rape victim-shaming. Both inhibit disclosure, reporting, and ultimately, getting help. ". "Every derogatory comment made about Prince for his chronic pain and addiction is like another nail in his coffin, or the next friend, or the next brother, or sister, or son, or daughter." [Edited 6/5/16 23:16pm]
I couldn't get to it with the link you provided. Instead, I found it here: https://boingboing.net/20...e-and.html


Yeah, the original link is to a picture. Thanks for the correction! thumbs up!

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #17 posted 06/06/16 9:19am

TrivialPursuit

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Rebeljuice said:

laurarichardson said:

Rebeljuice said: -- He had two not one.

One on his left hip. The other was lower leg so certainly nowt to do with hip surgery.


Well that's conjecture based on the two scars noted on Prince's body, via the autopsy report. HOWEVER....

Medical technology is pretty amazing these days, compared to even 20 years ago. More and more procedures are less invasive (not all, obviously).

I asked a friend of mine, who is an O.R. nurse (and quite excellent in his field), about the possibility of both hips being replaced through one incision. He told me today that bilateral hip replacement is often done, and is quite common to do so, through one incision, rather than two.

However, he posed a theory to me, that Prince could have had a hip scope done. Because of Prince's JW beliefs with blood tranfusions, he thinks Prince might have had what's called a Hip Arthroscopy, or a hip scope for short.


A hip scope is done to clean out loose boney fragments. When people don't want a hip joint replaced, they opt for this. It's not considered a surgery where you have to have blood replaced. Because of his religious beliefs, it would have been a viable alternative for Prince. Yet, it'd have only been on the one side. Both hips cannot be done through one incision. There would need to be an incision on both sides for this specific procedure, unlike the bilateral hip replacement which can be done on both hips, via one incision.

This is why I wish the full autopsy would come out (and maybe after the investigation it will). Because that would flat out settle it, and maybe prove me wrong, or right, or someone else wrong or right. But it'd show the truth as to what's in him, or not in him.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #18 posted 06/06/16 9:48am

Genesia

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Rebeljuice said:

laurarichardson said:

Rebeljuice said: -- He had two not one.

One on his left hip. The other was lower leg so certainly nowt to do with hip surgery.


Rebeljuice is correct - one scar on the left hip, the other on the lower right leg.

[Edited 6/6/16 9:49am]

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Reply #19 posted 06/06/16 9:50am

roxy831

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Rebeljuice said:

He only had one scar according to that report, so it wasnt a double replacement. But the story could still be valid.

I was thinking the same thing, Rebeljuice. That does not add up.

Welcome home class. We've come a long way. - RIP Prince
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Reply #20 posted 06/06/16 10:04am

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TrivialPursuit said:



Rebeljuice said:




laurarichardson said:


Rebeljuice said: -- He had two not one.

One on his left hip. The other was lower leg so certainly nowt to do with hip surgery.




Well that's conjecture based on the two scars noted on Prince's body, via the autopsy report. HOWEVER....



Medical technology is pretty amazing these days, compared to even 20 years ago. More and more procedures are less invasive (not all, obviously).

I asked a friend of mine, who is an O.R. nurse (and quite excellent in his field), about the possibility of both hips being replaced through one incision. He told me today that bilateral hip replacement is often done, and is quite common to do so, through one incision, rather than two.

However, he posed a theory to me, that Prince could have had a hip scope done. Because of Prince's JW beliefs with blood tranfusions, he thinks Prince might have had what's called a Hip Arthroscopy, or a hip scope for short.



A hip scope is done to clean out loose boney fragments. When people don't want a hip joint replaced, they opt for this. It's not considered a surgery where you have to have blood replaced. Because of his religious beliefs, it would have been a viable alternative for Prince. Yet, it'd have only been on the one side. Both hips cannot be done through one incision. There would need to be an incision on both sides for this specific procedure, unlike the bilateral hip replacement which can be done on both hips, via one incision.

This is why I wish the full autopsy would come out (and maybe after the investigation it will). Because that would flat out settle it, and maybe prove me wrong, or right, or someone else wrong or right. But it'd show the truth as to what's in him, or not in him.


-- What the fuck difference does it make what sort of hip procedure he had!!! He had a fucking procedure concerning his lower legs and it is just a weird coincidence that rumors go back 10 years concerning his hips. I kind of hope his family never puts out any information about his health issues nobody should have to prove that he was in pain to pacify noisy fans and social media vultures.
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Reply #21 posted 06/06/16 10:05am

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EnDoRpHn said:

RachB65 said:

That was a great article. The author also seems to state as fact or common knowledge that Prince DID have hip replacement surgery in 2010 and it didnt alleviate his pain. There was another article posted on this site which claimed he had the surgery but exerted himself onstage afterward to the point of re-injuring himself n leaving him in pain once again..
"It’s not like some people get addicted to these drugs and others don’t. Anyone taking them for longer than a few days becomes physically dependent on these drugs. That, right now, is the best the medical community has to offer for chronic pain management"
"To me, addiction-shaming is akin to rape victim-shaming. Both inhibit disclosure, reporting, and ultimately, getting help. ".

"Every derogatory comment made about Prince for his chronic pain and addiction is like another nail in his coffin, or the next friend, or the next brother, or sister, or son, or daughter."
[Edited 6/5/16 23:16pm]


I couldn't get to it with the link you provided. Instead, I found it here:
https://boingboing.net/20...e-and.html

Thank you for posting the link.
Good article.
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Reply #22 posted 06/06/16 10:07am

TrivialPursuit

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laurarichardson said:

-- What the fuck difference does it make what sort of hip procedure he had!!! He had a fucking procedure concerning his lower legs and it is just a weird coincidence that rumors go back 10 years concerning his hips. I kind of hope his family never puts out any information about his health issues nobody should have to prove that he was in pain to pacify noisy fans and social media vultures.






[Edited 6/6/16 10:10am]

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #23 posted 06/06/16 10:46am

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TrivialPursuit said:



laurarichardson said:


-- What the fuck difference does it make what sort of hip procedure he had!!! He had a fucking procedure concerning his lower legs and it is just a weird coincidence that rumors go back 10 years concerning his hips. I kind of hope his family never puts out any information about his health issues nobody should have to prove that he was in pain to pacify noisy fans and social media vultures.






[Edited 6/6/16 10:10am]


My response to foolishness !! After all according to one orger he had a scar from a gold chain from the 80s😳
[Edited 6/6/16 10:46am]
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Reply #24 posted 06/06/16 10:46am

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TrivialPursuit said:

laurarichardson said:

-- What the fuck difference does it make what sort of hip procedure he had!!! He had a fucking procedure concerning his lower legs and it is just a weird coincidence that rumors go back 10 years concerning his hips. I kind of hope his family never puts out any information about his health issues nobody should have to prove that he was in pain to pacify noisy fans and social media vultures.






I know, right? She posts something totally inaccurate about the ME's report, then gets huffy with the people who correct her misinformation.

But, hey - par for the course with that one.

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Reply #25 posted 06/06/16 10:48am

PurpleMusic07

TrivialPursuit said:



laurarichardson said:


-- What the fuck difference does it make what sort of hip procedure he had!!! He had a fucking procedure concerning his lower legs and it is just a weird coincidence that rumors go back 10 years concerning his hips. I kind of hope his family never puts out any information about his health issues nobody should have to prove that he was in pain to pacify noisy fans and social media vultures.






[Edited 6/6/16 10:10am]



Nah, Laura is right though. Whether he had a procedure or not. Something serious was wrong and being tthat the rumors re his hips are nothing new and being that painkillers are what got him we can intelligently assume that its all related. anything more is really none of our business. the important details are public. honestly i was pretty disturbed that mj's full autopsy report was leaked. it was unecessary and STILL did no good in regards to certain rumours. people will think what they want. mj's autopsy confirmed for example that he did have vitiligo (and i believe lupus). but that's not stopping the folk who still believe he messed around with his skin for the purpose of "being" white.
"Where you are now is in a place that does not require time." - Rest In Power, PRINCE
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PurpleMusic07 said:

TrivialPursuit said:



laurarichardson said:


-- What the fuck difference does it make what sort of hip procedure he had!!! He had a fucking procedure concerning his lower legs and it is just a weird coincidence that rumors go back 10 years concerning his hips. I kind of hope his family never puts out any information about his health issues nobody should have to prove that he was in pain to pacify noisy fans and social media vultures.






[Edited 6/6/16 10:10am]



Nah, Laura is right though. Whether he had a procedure or not. Something serious was wrong and being tthat the rumors re his hips are nothing new and being that painkillers are what got him we can intelligently assume that its all related. anything more is really none of our business. the important details are public. honestly i was pretty disturbed that mj's full autopsy report was leaked. it was unecessary and STILL did no good in regards to certain rumours. people will think what they want. mj's autopsy confirmed for example that he did have vitiligo (and i believe lupus). but that's not stopping the folk who still believe he messed around with his skin for the purpose of "being" white.

--- Thank you!! Glad to see someone is thinking.
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Genesia said:



TrivialPursuit said:




laurarichardson said:


-- What the fuck difference does it make what sort of hip procedure he had!!! He had a fucking procedure concerning his lower legs and it is just a weird coincidence that rumors go back 10 years concerning his hips. I kind of hope his family never puts out any information about his health issues nobody should have to prove that he was in pain to pacify noisy fans and social media vultures.








I know, right? She posts something totally inaccurate about the ME's report, then gets huffy with the people who correct her misinformation.

But, hey - par for the course with that one.


--- This is exactly what is stated on the report.
Scar, left hip,Scar,right lower leg. I have a surgical scar they are scars not scratches or marks but scars. The report would make not mention of it if it was significant. He did not have two hip replacements but it appears he had an additional procedure on his leg.
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Reply #28 posted 06/06/16 10:56am

morningsong

laurarichardson said:

TrivialPursuit said:


Well that's conjecture based on the two scars noted on Prince's body, via the autopsy report. HOWEVER....

Medical technology is pretty amazing these days, compared to even 20 years ago. More and more procedures are less invasive (not all, obviously).

I asked a friend of mine, who is an O.R. nurse (and quite excellent in his field), about the possibility of both hips being replaced through one incision. He told me today that bilateral hip replacement is often done, and is quite common to do so, through one incision, rather than two.

However, he posed a theory to me, that Prince could have had a hip scope done. Because of Prince's JW beliefs with blood tranfusions, he thinks Prince might have had what's called a Hip Arthroscopy, or a hip scope for short.


A hip scope is done to clean out loose boney fragments. When people don't want a hip joint replaced, they opt for this. It's not considered a surgery where you have to have blood replaced. Because of his religious beliefs, it would have been a viable alternative for Prince. Yet, it'd have only been on the one side. Both hips cannot be done through one incision. There would need to be an incision on both sides for this specific procedure, unlike the bilateral hip replacement which can be done on both hips, via one incision.

This is why I wish the full autopsy would come out (and maybe after the investigation it will). Because that would flat out settle it, and maybe prove me wrong, or right, or someone else wrong or right. But it'd show the truth as to what's in him, or not in him.

-- What the fuck difference does it make what sort of hip procedure he had!!! He had a fucking procedure concerning his lower legs and it is just a weird coincidence that rumors go back 10 years concerning his hips. I kind of hope his family never puts out any information about his health issues nobody should have to prove that he was in pain to pacify noisy fans and social media vultures.



In a perfect world everybody would just mind their own business. We don't live in a perfect world, and somebody is going to control this narrative, unfortunely it is no longer Prince himself. So anybody has the floor to create and put out there anything they want.


Reading this particular article, I got the impression this person did not know Prince in any personal way beyond doing some work with him in the past and it really wasn't a close working relationship, so this article is basically pointless speculation which there is already plenty of that.

[Edited 6/6/16 10:58am]

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Genesia said:



TrivialPursuit said:




laurarichardson said:


-- What the fuck difference does it make what sort of hip procedure he had!!! He had a fucking procedure concerning his lower legs and it is just a weird coincidence that rumors go back 10 years concerning his hips. I kind of hope his family never puts out any information about his health issues nobody should have to prove that he was in pain to pacify noisy fans and social media vultures.








I know, right? She posts something totally inaccurate about the ME's report, then gets huffy with the people who correct her misinformation.

But, hey - par for the course with that one.


--- You know what you can do with your par for the course.
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