CROWNS1 said:

I've read on several sites that P had an early appointment with a Holistic medical provider on the morning he was found. He had missed the appointment. If that's true it's odd because he was also seeing Schulenberg. I wish someone, anyone, would speak out and say something. If nothing else, they could validate that he was taking meds for pain and clear his name. I know he liked his privacy but I don't think he would like to have the world thinking he was a drug addict either. The longer his family/friends/associates remain silent without coming forth to offer some type of clarification, the larger the rumors are going to become and that's sad for P's legacy. IMO

People have spoken out about his pain, like Sheila E., but no one wants to listen to it or give it any credence.

morningsong said:

CROWNS1 said:

I've read on several sites that P had an early appointment with a Holistic medical provider on the morning he was found. He had missed the appointment. If that's true it's odd because he was also seeing Schulenberg. I wish someone, anyone, would speak out and say something. If nothing else, they could validate that he was taking meds for pain and clear his name. I know he liked his privacy but I don't think he would like to have the world thinking he was a drug addict either. The longer his family/friends/associates remain silent without coming forth to offer some type of clarification, the larger the rumors are going to become and that's sad for P's legacy. IMO

Maybe that's the doctor that Andrew Kornfield was supposed to take Prince to see, that doctor never saw Prince so they don't have anything to say.


If there is a criminal investigation taking place then I don't think anyone can say anything publically right now. Seems to me, the investigation went very quiet all of a sudden when before it seemed to have all these "leaks" so something could be really going on.

I think that is the doctor they are talking about too, morningsong. They said a doctor cleared his schedule that morning for Prince but they haven't named him.

"Andrew Kornfeld was to meet with Prince and a second Minnesota doctor who is certified to prescribe an opioid addiction treatment medication that Howard Kornfeld uses.

That Minnesota doctor, who hasn't been publicly identified, had cleared his calendar for the morning of April 21 so that Prince could go to his office for an independent evaluation, the source said."

Source: http://www.startribune.co...381663221/

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morningsong said:

CROWNS1 said:

I've read on several sites that P had an early appointment with a Holistic medical provider on the morning he was found. He had missed the appointment. If that's true it's odd because he was also seeing Schulenberg. I wish someone, anyone, would speak out and say something. If nothing else, they could validate that he was taking meds for pain and clear his name. I know he liked his privacy but I don't think he would like to have the world thinking he was a drug addict either. The longer his family/friends/associates remain silent without coming forth to offer some type of clarification, the larger the rumors are going to become and that's sad for P's legacy. IMO

Maybe that's the doctor that Andrew Kornfield was supposed to take Prince to see, that doctor never saw Prince so they don't have anything to say.


If there is a criminal investigation taking place then I don't think anyone can say anything publically right now. Seems to me, the investigation went very quiet all of a sudden when before it seemed to have all these "leaks" so something could be really going on.

Maybe, but it said 'holistic' doctor, and they don't typically prescribe meds, most often they can't. I found it interesting because he was trying so hard obviously to get off of the stuff and was maybe trying to do it naturally by using a holistic doctor. I don't know, I'm bouncing from one theory to another. Don't know why, just trying to process it still. I think I'm finally at the point what I am satisifed that it doesn't matter. It is what it is.

CROWNS1 said:

morningsong said:

Maybe that's the doctor that Andrew Kornfield was supposed to take Prince to see, that doctor never saw Prince so they don't have anything to say.


If there is a criminal investigation taking place then I don't think anyone can say anything publically right now. Seems to me, the investigation went very quiet all of a sudden when before it seemed to have all these "leaks" so something could be really going on.

Maybe, but it said 'holistic' doctor, and they don't typically prescribe meds, most often they can't. I found it interesting because he was trying so hard obviously to get off of the stuff and was maybe trying to do it naturally by using a holistic doctor. I don't know, I'm bouncing from one theory to another. Don't know why, just trying to process it still. I think I'm finally at the point what I am satisifed that it doesn't matter. It is what it is.

CROWNS1, I believe that they may have said that in the beginning because it had not come out yet even that Kornfeld was at the scene and I think they were trying to keep it quiet. When the lawyer had to speak for Kornfeld because he was in a little trouble at first, that's when it came out who Prince was really meeting with that morning...the local doctor (not Schulenberg, but the unnamed one) and Kornfeld. Just my thoughts.

[Edited 6/8/16 16:40pm]

CROWNS1 said:

morningsong said:

Maybe that's the doctor that Andrew Kornfield was supposed to take Prince to see, that doctor never saw Prince so they don't have anything to say.


If there is a criminal investigation taking place then I don't think anyone can say anything publically right now. Seems to me, the investigation went very quiet all of a sudden when before it seemed to have all these "leaks" so something could be really going on.

Maybe, but it said 'holistic' doctor, and they don't typically prescribe meds, most often they can't. I found it interesting because he was trying so hard obviously to get off of the stuff and was maybe trying to do it naturally by using a holistic doctor. I don't know, I'm bouncing from one theory to another. Don't know why, just trying to process it still. I think I'm finally at the point what I am satisifed that it doesn't matter. It is what it is.

"They" said something about a plane landing because of a flu symtoms too but we know that wasn't quite true, maybe, I don't think we got the entire story of that either. Not that it matters. Who knows maybe it was a holistic doctor, just because they may be holistic doesn't mean they aren't a licensed physician. Either way that doctor never saw Prince so what could they really add to the events that took place, nothing.

I'm done with theories and speculations and all of that, I'll just relay whatever facts I have. When the criminal investigation is over, I suppose there'll be more info, outside of that the reality of it all is kind of sinking in for me and I'm tired.

rap said:

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CROWNS1 said:

morningsong said:

Maybe that's the doctor that Andrew Kornfield was supposed to take Prince to see, that doctor never saw Prince so they don't have anything to say.


If there is a criminal investigation taking place then I don't think anyone can say anything publically right now. Seems to me, the investigation went very quiet all of a sudden when before it seemed to have all these "leaks" so something could be really going on.

Maybe, but it said 'holistic' doctor, and they don't typically prescribe meds, most often they can't. I found it interesting because he was trying so hard obviously to get off of the stuff and was maybe trying to do it naturally by using a holistic doctor. I don't know, I'm bouncing from one theory to another. Don't know why, just trying to process it still. I think I'm finally at the point what I am satisifed that it doesn't matter. It is what it is.

An holistic doctor seems very much in tune with all the vibe going on for Prince around these last couple of years. Alternative medicine is pretty much in the line of the whole Moon discussion from that other thread, the chakras, the psychadelic imagery, the beads, the clothing... Which felt right in line with many of his spiritual messages, the vegetarian diet, and so on.
He sure was going in that direction more...

I was shocked to learn that Prince was using opiates to deal with whatever was ailing him whether it be pain or anxiety. But I'm not here to judge. I can understand him getting addicted without proper supervision while using any form of drug therapy.

My experience with Fentanyl was while I was recently hospitalized for excision of a meningioma, which is a tumor in the meninges, the membrane that covers the brain. I was prescribed Fentanylfor pain, but mine was given in pill form. It did not make me feel euphoric or blissful. It just kept my ass awake all damn night. I freakin hated it. I wanted to go to sleep, for chrissakes, but that shit had my ass hyped up like a murder of crows. Yeah, it did take away the pain, but damn, I was one hyped up old broad. I was at the point of begging the nurses to hit me in the head with a hammer so I could get a few hours of sleep.

I haven't read all of the posts on this thread, but what I have read is that he might have injected it or used a patch. Whatever he was doing was too much and it took him away from us, which just breaks my heart, but if he was dealing with pain issues, I completely understand and empathize because I'm going through the same shit with hip/leg pain. I fell and broke my right hip back in 2004, right before Prince's big summer tour. It was a hairline fracture, but it was painful for about a week. I was on temporary disability, but that didn't keep me from seeing all his east coast concerts that summer.

Fast forward 12 years. NOW my ass is feeling the pain from that fracture BIG TIME. So I know how Prince was feeling. I haven't resorted to prescription drugs. I HATE taking pills, but I do medicate myself "herbally." Maybe if Prince wasn't so adverse to "drugs," he would have tried medical marijuana and could have alleviated his pain that way.

I don't know. It's all just a waste in the end. Hindsight is always ifa, coulda, woulda, shoulda...

God rest his soul.

CharlieGriffin said:

Fast forward 12 years. NOW my ass is feeling the pain from that fracture BIG TIME. So I know how Prince was feeling. I haven't resorted to prescription drugs. I HATE taking pills, but I do medicate myself "herbally." Maybe if Prince wasn't so adverse to "drugs," he would have tried medical marijuana and could have alleviated his pain that way.

I've thought about this too regarding people working for him. It's long been reported - and mostly lauded here - that he would fire anyone known to use mj. Since musicians and dancers do seem to have issues with pain/repetitive motion injuries, Prince's rules could instead have required them to use prescription opioids instead of "drugs" to keep their job. I hope nobody else ended up with dependency problems because of this.

morningsong said:

mailaccount63 said:

mailaccount63 said:

morningsong said:

"They" said something about a plane landing because of a flu symtoms too but we know that wasn't quite true, maybe, I don't think we got the entire story of that either. Not that it matters. Who knows maybe it was a holistic doctor, just because they may be holistic doesn't mean they aren't a licensed physician. Either way that doctor never saw Prince so what could they really add to the events that took place, nothing.

I'm done with theories and speculations and all of that, I'll just relay whatever facts I have. When the criminal investigation is over, I suppose there'll be more info, outside of that the reality of it all is kind of sinking in for me and I'm tired.

Hey morningsong: Even when the criminal investigation is over, we still may not be told everything. Part of this may be fear of stigma; part of this could be Prince's preference for privacy. Somewhere, and i don't remember where or i would post the link, i read that P's family made a request of the coroner that IF the cause of death was OD, to please put "accidental" on the death certificate. P's family may not understand that we don't want to know everything to be judgmental; we want to know everything so we can heal. [Edited 6/9/16 19:00pm]

I doubt the coroner is going to lie on a public document because a family member requested it. No, if it wasnt accidental the public report would say so. It is imperetive that these reports contain the truth. They are used for aquiring statistics regarding reasons for death. Stats that are used to guage what is killing society. If they were open to bullshit we would never really know what the big killers in society were and make political efforts to intervene (not that political efforts always work, or indeed even take place).

I wasn't quite sure where to post this comment... there is another thread discussing Judith Hill's Facebook post but it's primarily about whether it confirms they were partners... whereas what I'm interested in is how what she said implies about his health and state of mind leading up to his passing... so I'm posting this comment here as I think what I have to say is more appropriate to this thread.

See here if you haven't read her statement: http://prince.org/msg/5/4...?&pg=1

Ever since Prince's cause of death was released, Judith's statement has been on my mind. The whole paragraph starting 'I ask God why me?', for one, which I initially didn't make too much of beyond her expressing her pain, has taken on a whole different meaning to me now after Prince's cause of death was made public. Saying "I just wanted him to be truly happy" and "there was so much beauty amidst the pain" or "God brought ultimate healing" and "It's just me that's suffering now"? Maybe I'm completely misreading it but ... that's a lot of negatives to bring into a statement about your friend's death if your friend was happy, painfree, not hurting or not suffering. That is the kind of thing you say on the passing of someone when you know that someone has been in a lot of pain for quite some time. In talking about the burden being 'isolating', it also implies that perhaps outside of her no one or else very very few people knew about the extent of it.

Other things she says are too cryptic for me to understand (e.g., about love and forgiveness - who was forgiving who for what and why? - rhetorical question), but overall it unfortunately paints a pretty sad picture to me and I really feel for her and her grief I hope once the investigation is over we might get to know for sure what led to him taking the drug he died from.

captiveunicorn said:

I wasn't quite sure where to post this comment... there is another thread discussing Judith Hill's Facebook post but it's primarily about whether it confirms they were partners... whereas what I'm interested in is how what she said implies about his health and state of mind leading up to his passing... so I'm posting this comment here as I think what I have to say is more appropriate to this thread.

See here if you haven't read her statement: http://prince.org/msg/5/4...?&pg=1

Ever since Prince's cause of death was released, Judith's statement has been on my mind. The whole paragraph starting 'I ask God why me?', for one, which I initially didn't make too much of beyond her expressing her pain, has taken on a whole different meaning to me now after Prince's cause of death was made public. Saying "I just wanted him to be truly happy" and "there was so much beauty amidst the pain" or "God brought ultimate healing" and "It's just me that's suffering now"? Maybe I'm completely misreading it but ... that's a lot of negatives to bring into a statement about your friend's death if your friend was happy, painfree, not hurting or not suffering. That is the kind of thing you say on the passing of someone when you know that someone has been in a lot of pain for quite some time. In talking about the burden being 'isolating', it also implies that perhaps outside of her no one or else very very few people knew about the extent of it.

Other things she says are too cryptic for me to understand (e.g., about love and forgiveness - who was forgiving who for what and why? - rhetorical question), but overall it unfortunately paints a pretty sad picture to me and I really feel for her and her grief I hope once the investigation is over we might get to know for sure what led to him taking the drug he died from.

The part where she says it's isolating because she is afraid to say anything...that right there implies there is much more to the story. So sad to carry that around, I hope she has someone she can talk to about it. The part about P finally being truly happy is sad too because it implies he wasn't. I almost take the pain part as not so much physical but that he was in alot of emotional pain.

CROWNS1 said:

rogifan said:

That was quite a rambling Facebook post. I'm sure she was going through a range of emotions so it's hard to know what to attribute to Prince and what's her own feelings/pain. Was Judith closer to Prince than members of 3rdeye Girl or Andy Allo? Their statements were tinged with sadness but not so cryptic. Hannah:

There are so many things to be said...too much to try to compile in one message...The past four years of our life has been a whirlwind. So much traveling, so much performing, so many rehearsals, hundreds and hundreds of songs, hours and hours of stage time with the most incredible band I've ever been a part of in my life, but that's not even the best part of it all. God used Prince in such a mighty way in mine and Joshua's life. When we met him as a newlywed couple (both of us 22 at the time), he was so respectful, reverent, and supportive of our relationship. He loved love. As newlyweds, walking into this HUGE opportunity, we weren't sure at first how he was going to handle us. (Let's face it, we've all heard crazy stories). But that's just it. Those stories are just stories. The very first thing he said to us after meeting was "I can't separate you two." That was confirmation for Joshua and I that the journey we were about to embark on was divine appointment. After that meeting it was full speed ahead. 3RDEYEGIRL started, relationships were built, and memories were made. Prince quickly became more than just "the artist" to us. He wasn't our "boss." In fact, he didn't like it when people called him that. He was our GREAT friend. Our mentor. Our confidant. Our brother. And even became somewhat like a protective, father figure over us. So many conversations were had about God, life and love, about the future and raising kids together, about how to make a lasting impact that MEANS something and unite humanity in the way God intended us to be from the very beginning. Sure, the music was great. But it wasn't everything. It was only a very, VERY small side of who this man was. Joshua and I are so blessed to have been as close to him as we were the past 4 years and all the music and touring in the world could never compare to the time spent with our brother. Though a physical presence has been lost in the natural, his spirit lives on through all the lives he touched. We celebrate the incredible life that he lived, the irreplaceable mark he made, and the millions of lives changed for the better because he was here for 57 short years. Thank you Prince...for being all that you are. Thank you for loving my husband and I as your own, and for making sure we knew just how much you loved us. Thank you for believing in us, thank you for pouring into Joshua and sharing all that you did with him. Your friendship will be cherished forever. We will make sure baby girl knows just how amazing her Uncle Prince was to us, and countless others, and how excited you were for her precious life. From the bottom of my heart...Thank you. 💜💜 Your legacy lives on...

Donna: And then there's this one from Andy Allo (with a great photo to go along with it):

https://www.facebook.com/andyallo/?fref=nf Hi Prince, I believe we all come into people's lives for a reason. You came into mine 5 years ago and each day we spent together talking, traveling and playing music, the more I learned about myself. You taught me how to love so deeply with no inhibitions, but you also taught me about heartbreak. You taught me how to push myself beyond my own limits, how to be strong, how to fight but also how to be vulnerable and be present. You are a mentor, a friend and much much more. We shared a great love, a great many laughs and tears. I wish I had told you more, what you meant to me. I am so grateful I had the honor of knowing you, the man and the artist. I am the woman and the artist I am today because of you. I love you and miss you. Andy Ps. I'd give anything to beat you at ping-pong one more time. Just kidding - I'd let you win.

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Everytime we read those kind of words from those who were close with him makes it all too real, brings the sadness all over again. Each time I feel like I've just been told of his passing...

[Edited 6/10/16 8:47am]

bondno9 said:

I believe the person who knew the truth about what was going on with Prince is Kirk Johnson. The one consistent person/employee in the life of Prince that can answer the who, what, when, why and how.

YEP I myself have said if anybody knew anything it was likely to be Kirk and let's just face it for whatever reason he is just simply NOT talking period..............

Baduizm said:

PeteSilas said:

if he was an enabler, they need to nail him, it's something that should be looked into fuckwit.

No need for name calling, I was only asking what you thought Kirky J should be "nailed" for.

What the fuck is a fuckwit? LOL geeeze let's try to be respectful on the boards no matter what there are opinions flying all over the place she/he is right no need for name calling LMAO but that 's a new one on me fuckwit (I'll have to use it for the next person who pisses me off)

Pjseals said:

bondno9 said:

I believe the person who knew the truth about what was going on with Prince is Kirk Johnson. The one consistent person/employee in the life of Prince that can answer the who, what, when, why and how.

YEP I myself have said if anybody knew anything it was likely to be Kirk and let's just face it for whatever reason he is just simply NOT talking period..............

I agree.....

Pjseals said:

Baduizm said:

No need for name calling, I was only asking what you thought Kirky J should be "nailed" for.

What the fuck is a fuckwit? LOL geeeze let's try to be respectful on the boards no matter what there are opinions flying all over the place she/he is right no need for name calling LMAO but that 's a new one on me fuckwit (I'll have to use it for the next person who pisses me off)

MMJas said:

mailaccount63 said:

Pjseals said:

YEP I myself have said if anybody knew anything it was likely to be Kirk and let's just face it for whatever reason he is just simply NOT talking period..............

I agree.....

Has anyone ever said why Prince was alone? Why wasn't someone with him since they knew how sick he was?

ou812Ewokadoodle said:

mynameisnotsusan said:

ou812Ewokadoodle said:

Has anyone ever said why Prince was alone? Why wasn't someone with him since they knew how sick he was?

I don't get the confusion with this. Prince was the boss. If he wanted to be alone none of his employees are going to challenge him otherwise and I'm certain he was alone often in Paisley.

I have worked with entertainers (I won't mention names so don't ask) and my opinion was always valued. If they couldn't take the good news and the bad news, I wouldn't work for them. Recording studios go day and night so I am surprised Prince was alone. I know people in the entertainment field are concerned about the tabloids being contacted but if you keep the right people around you never have to worry. I am sure Prince was surrounded with people he considered family and they loved each other so he trusted them not to violate his privacy. I find it sad he was alone.

ou812Ewokadoodle said:

mynameisnotsusan said:

ou812Ewokadoodle said: I don't get the confusion with this. Prince was the boss. If he wanted to be alone none of his employees are going to challenge him otherwise and I'm certain he was alone often in Paisley.

I have worked with entertainers (I won't mention names so don't ask) and my opinion was always valued. If they couldn't take the good news and the bad news, I wouldn't work for them. Recording studios go day and night so I am surprised Prince was alone. I know people in the entertainment field are concerned about the tabloids being contacted but if you keep the right people around you never have to worry. I am sure Prince was surrounded with people he considered family and they loved each other so he trusted them not to violate his privacy. I find it sad he was alone.

I sometimes wonder if someone was supposed to show up and due to unforseen circumstances they couldn't make it.