Cloreen said:

jimmy3121 said:

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I actually put Prince equal or above Elvis....

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Just because you do it doesn't mean it is correct.

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Prince above Elvis? Wow. What are you going to say next....Keanu Reeves above James Dean?

R u seriously comparing the most profilic musician ever to Keanu Reeves Everything you said now is irrevelant if that is your comparison. Elvis was/ is an icon, and i think that status doesnt come from talent. Elvis most likely never wrote a song.. he fed off of African American singers and took their songs. Prince might not ever get to his iconic status, he sure was far more talented though!!!

Prince claimed 47 spots in the Billboard Hot 100 list, including 19 in the top 10 and five hitting the coveted #1 spot.

http://abc7ny.com/entertainment/all-of-princes-1-billboard-hit-songs/1302694/

Elvis

14 #1 hits

108 Billboard Hot 100 hits, the most among rock artists in the chart's history.

80 top 40 Hot 100 hits, the most such showings in the tally's archives

129 Billboard 200 charted albums, the highest total in the chart's 58-year history.

In adidtion, he had numerous top hits that predated billboard.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/5862369/elvis-presleys-billboard-chart-records

So as far as billboard success, Price is respectable certainly but not even close.

Sales I suspect would be similar margins ,,, How else you gauge relative popularity I don't know. Only time will tell if his legacy will be lasting.

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Cloreen said:

jimmy3121 said:

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I actually put Prince equal or above Elvis....

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Just because you do it doesn't mean it is correct.

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Prince above Elvis? Wow. What are you going to say next....Keanu Reeves above James Dean?

This is exactly the mentality I'm talking about: "performers from the fifties must be better because they happened at a time with a massive youth population and diners have been trafficking in 50s nostalgia ever since..." James Dean wasn't even the best of that generation, he took after Brando like everyone else. I like Elvis, and his legacy as "the King" is obviously safe (not that he's ever played outside of oldies programming and I never hear his music anywhere... just like I barely hear Prince), but the dude had, like, one musical talent. Not much of a songwriter, instrumentalist or producer. He could sing and dance but, relatively speaking, he relied on other artists way more than a lot of the greats. He came along at a time where he could have a massive influence on those who came after, and he happened to be the most successful white guy doing what a bunch of other black guys were also doing when America was sitll segregated.

It is true Elvis was not a great musician, and he wasn't even a song writer.

His gifts were his voice, singing ability, looks, stage presence and entertainer, that is his legacy.

About the implication that blacks brought singing and dancing to USA and Elvis was just copying them, I think that is a far fetched notion to say the least. Certainly blues influence rubbed off on him and it shows in his style, just as early blues players were influenced by something else.

To imply that without blacks there never would have been an Elvis is clearly ludicrous, their contributions to early and modern rock/pop are clear enough without having to ridiculously overstate them.

Prince may not have reached as many people as MJ or Elvis, he's still quite famous internationally, with branding that includes a colour and a symbol.

Add to this his iconic movie and his incredible catalog, plus the vault... you have a recipe that only a marketing deuce could fail to use properly.

It hardly matters if MJ or Elvis stay bigger icons than Prince in death, the latter will always have the more enviable reputation.

Gamillione said:

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1. Elvis was/ is an icon, and i think that status doesnt come from talent.

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2. Elvis most likely never wrote a song..

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3. he fed off of African American singers and took their songs.

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1. Well, where exactly does Elvis iconic status come from? His acting? You are saying that the most iconic performer in modern history of the world got that way because of no talent. Incredible.

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2. Yes, Elvis did write songs; however, Elvis is not famous for being a songwriter. His talents when it comes to song composition lie in the interpretation of the song given him. If you think "Hound Dog" was a top song before it got into the hands of Elvis you'd be wrong. Elvis, like Sinatra, had an uncanny instinct in how to make a song better.

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3. He fed off of African Americans? Uh oh, there's the old white man steals from other cultures card. Sure some of Elvis' early hits were originally black r n b tunes. But he turned them into rock and roll tunes. Got it? He didn't release the same version of Mama Thornton's "Hound Dog." And by the way, most of Elvis' big tunes were written by Lieber and Stoller - two Jews from New York. I guess he was a Nazi - pilfering the work of Jews.

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Boy, your understanding of Elvis is very limited and based on the standard b.s. that is thrown out there when people who don't know Elvis speak about Elvis. Stole from blacks! No talent, just flash! Hey, was Elvis a creepy strange dude? Sure. But he was also an entertainer unlike any before or since. And by the way, without Elvis and what he did to change the cullture of modern society there would be no Prince. If Elvis didn't come along and do what he did, Prince would still be working as an usher in a movie theater.

Guitarhero said:

Cloreen said:

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Here's how you are looking at things wrong:

You are equating Prince with Elvis.

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Prince was a musician to most people.

Elvis was a religion to most people.

To Elvis fans only.

Haven't you heard yet? Elvis is alive!

what a weird thread...


next you are gonna compare Elvis to Michael Jackson or what....?

Elvis was imo in another generation than Prince and MJ,



- if one should compare Elvis with another act, why not The Beatles..

Ps Prince was a producer and a musician on many different instruments.

Elvis was a skilled guitar player, and of course an incredible singer.

Prince just had so much more talents.

and impact, well in my country and in my generation, Prince had huge impact.

Elvis not so much, because his appearance happended in the 50s and 60s, a very loooong time ago.

Cloreen said:

Astasheiks said:

jimmy3121 said:

Facts: Elvis has been dead coming up on 40 years....still makes news & money.

Prince has been gone a little over a month and his mentions in Mainstream Media getting fewer & farther between....of course there will be a uptick when the results of his passing are made public.

I know there are several Michael Jackson fans on here...but he just does not have the catalogs of variety like Prince or Elvis to maintain a ongoing flow....this is not controversy these are facts and this observation with the way things are going seems sad....I just see in 5 years...not much ongoing Prince...sure they can release this or that but who besides Elvis gets regular play after they pass of new/ remixed material on Mainstream???...Hoping I am wrong ...I've spent much time for my job in the Philippines....they know who John Cena, Elvis and Michael Jackson are....no clue who Prince is....wish Prince would have known how much I have showed folks in the Philippines his flow.

Regarding the bolded, How has that worked out, the one's in the Philippines that you have showed his flow/music? The one's you showed did they dig it???

With me and where I am at- off the beat and path I play Prince here non stop- I also have lots of recordings I should not have...filipinos are friendly people- I get many visitors/ friends.... and I am a girl chaser so many hear the music....all listen, seem to like it....if I'm playing videos the ladies all say he was good looking guy but that is about it....no one has ever asked me yet for a copy of anything......here in the Philippines they are shy people but HUGE on Kareoke- the shy type of ladies have no problem doing kareoke in a big crowd that is kinda amazing to me .

CNN Philippines did some small stories on him when he passed- most folks I come across NEVER heard of him....frustrating in a way as I can go into Ayala Mall in Cebu and there is a Jamaican/ Bob Marley Store....they love Elvis Presley and 50/50 on Michael Jackson with all the allegations about children on Jackson he is not so much liked.

Kareoke/ Video Machines Here ( they are EVERYWHERE)= I can find Elvis, Lady Gaga, Michael Jackson, Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber and of course filipino music/ singers but I have yet to come across even 1 Prince song....I have requested with some owners of establishments to get him on there and the conversation ALWAYS starts the same with them asking " Who?"

Even Duran Duran here played to sold out shows in Manila.

Sad.

maplesyrupnjam said:

Cloreen said:

If Elvis didn't come along and do what he did, Prince would still be working as an usher in a movie theater.

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Your last line is hilarious. I suppose If there was no Elvis Presley... Prince would have found a way. He was born to make music.

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If there were no Elvis, yes, I agree with you, Prince would be making music....but he'd be doing it part time after he got home from work as an usher in a movie theater.

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You really do not understand the cultural impact of Elvis. Not musical impact, societal impact. Prior to Elvis the music and entertainment industry was for older people. You think Al Jolson was packing in teenagers? Sinatra changed that a bit, but it was Elvis who exploded the notion that records/entertainment were to be sold to middle aged people. An entire youth market began with Elvis and his leading the charge with rock and roll. We still experience that youth market today. That youth market is the number one demographic for selling music. Elvis was the man who brought that on.

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If there were no Elvis, Prince would be playing his music after coming home from work at the movie theater to sixty-five year old men in a run down jazz club with bare light bulbs hanging from the ceiling. And believe me, he wouldn't be playing "Jack U Off." He'd be playing that adult crap from "C-Note" or "N.E.W.S." boring the old drunks to tears.

Cloreen said:

maplesyrupnjam said:

Cloreen said:

Your last line is hilarious. I suppose If there was no Elvis Presley... Prince would have found a way. He was born to make music.

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If there were no Elvis, yes, I agree with you, Prince would be making music....but he'd be doing it part time after he got home from work as an usher in a movie theater.

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You really do not understand the cultural impact of Elvis. Not musical impact, societal impact. Prior to Elvis the music and entertainment industry was for older people. You think Al Jolson was packing in teenagers? Sinatra changed that a bit, but it was Elvis who exploded the notion that records/entertainment were to be sold to middle aged people. An entire youth market began with Elvis and his leading the charge with rock and roll. We still experience that youth market today. That youth market is the number one demographic for selling music. Elvis was the man who brought that on.

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If there were no Elvis, Prince would be playing his music after coming home from work at the movie theater to sixty-five year old men in a run down jazz club with bare light bulbs hanging from the ceiling. And believe me, he wouldn't be playing "Jack U Off." He'd be playing that adult crap from "C-Note" or "N.E.W.S." boring the old drunks to tears.

I'm not denying Elvis' place in the pantheon. I agree he blew open the doors and his cultural significance is monumental. You, however seem to be under the assumption that his fame is responsible for everyone who came after him. If there was no Elvis then there would have been someone else. Someone would have made the leap. If there was no Elvis Presley, according to your logic, a 17 year old John Lennon would have brained some bouncer at a club with his cheap guitar and ended up in the big house for ten years. Your bogus quasi causality argument is extremely flawed.

Elvis was the beginning in many ways for sure. His fame is set in stone like no one else, yet he was only the beginning. Prince was never ever influenced musically by Elvis Presley. Apart from as an entertainer I'd say( of which Prince was hands down superior),I hardly remember him mentioning him once. Elvis was a 3 chord guitarist, so he was hardly influenced by his extremely rudimentary musicianship. He wasn't much of a songwriter either. Yes, interesting phrasing etc. Which is not being a songwriter. Every original artist who writes there own songs has interesting phrasing on them. Difference is they wrote 'em.

Actually the Montreaux performance with the Stratus/All shook up hybrid. There's your Elvis reference.

maplesyrupnjam said:

If there was no Elvis Presley, according to your logic, a 17 year old John Lennon would have brained some bouncer at a club with his cheap guitar

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Prince was never ever influenced musically by Elvis Presley.

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1. If there were no Elvis, John Lennon would have been playing skiffle songs on his cheap guitar for the rest of his life. You don't see that? What else was a 17 year old to do? Rock and roll was not an option for young people before Elvis. Rock and roll exploded and became mainstream, became a form of music young people would play, because of Elvis.

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2. So what Prince was never influenced musically by Elvis Presley. Elvis' influence on culture is not limited to music alone. Let me ask you, you think Prince would have been risque, would be shaking his hips if Elvis hadn't do that? You think stars before Elvis like Benny Goodman, Woody Guthrie, or Hoagy Carmichael were doing that!? Elvis as an on stage performer influenced Prince and every other modern performer whether they know it or not. Elvis gave a show. Before that we had singers just crooning their songs stock still on stage. And then the whole idea of marketing beyond the vinyl record was Elvis. Example: the guy made 31 films. Hmmm, I wonder where the whole notion that Prince can star in a film came from? No Elvis, Prince would be starring in his own home movies with his movie theater usher friends.

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You are talking about supposition here as if it's fact. I was going to suggest the Lennon/skiffle thing as I had a feeling you'd reply with that. My apologies. So here it is. If there was no Elvis Presley, it wouldn't have stopped Prince from getting his performance nods from James Brown. Unless James Brown is mysteriously non existant in your sci fi alternate reality. We've established that Elvis couldn't hold a candle to Prince were musicianship is concerned, so that wouldn't matter. Hmm what else?. Presley's neutered 50s sexuality? Have you seen the 70s? Was Presley responsible for the Summer of Love as well? No, that was probably counter culture, the Skiffle playing scousers and some dirt cheap drugs. Ole Elvis and Tricky Dicky Nixon were Golfing buddies by then scheming up a way to rid the world of those darned hippies..

No, I'm afraid he indirectly influenced a burgeoning sexuality among 50s and 60s youth but by the late 60s, he was a dinosaur. Someone would have been doing some weird shit on stage. Nope. Not needed. Prince blew the doors off that in 1980 where everyone got down. Songrwiting? Not really. All his best songs were written by other people. Prince wrote all his. Prince has probably written more gospel songs than Elvis ate cheeseburgers (that one might be a tie)

So, it's abundantly clear my good man, that Prince would not be a movie usher in an Elvisless world.

Or work in a pet shop which would have been nice for him admittedly as he was a vegan.

P.S Elvis's films were fucking terrible.

maplesyrupnjam said:

You are talking about supposition here as if it's fact. I was going to suggest the Lennon/skiffle thing as I had a feeling you'd reply with that. My apologies. So here it is. If there was no Elvis Presley, it wouldn't have stopped Prince from getting his performance nods from James Brown. Unless James Brown is mysteriously non existant in your sci fi alternate reality. We've established that Elvis couldn't hold a candle to Prince were musicianship is concerned, so that wouldn't matter. Hmm what else?. Presley's neutered 50s sexuality? Have you seen the 70s? Was Presley responsible for the Summer of Love as well? No, that was probably counter culture, the Skiffle playing scousers and some dirt cheap drugs. Ole Elvis and Tricky Dicky Nixon were Golfing buddies by then scheming up a way to rid the world of those darned hippies..

No, I'm afraid he indirectly influenced a burgeoning sexuality among 50s and 60s youth but by the late 60s, he was a dinosaur. Someone would have been doing some weird shit on stage. Nope. Not needed. Prince blew the doors off that in 1980 where everyone got down. Songrwiting? Not really. All his best songs were written by other people. Prince wrote all his. Prince has probably written more gospel songs than Elvis ate cheeseburgers (that one might be a tie)

So, it's abundantly clear my good man, that Prince would not be a movie usher in an Elvisless world.

Or work in a pet shop which would have been nice for him admittedly as he was a vegan.

P.S Elvis's films were fucking terrible.

What's this about cheeseburgers? Elvis was famous for eating fried banana and peanut butter sandwiches.

thedance said:

jaypotton said:

mtlfan said:

Prince's core fanbase were gen x-ers and, I'm presuming, African-American

I agree with most of what you say except this. It might be the case in the USA but in the UK Prince's fanbase is definitely NOT defined by race. That was always one of the coolest things about going to a Prince gig. You had absolutely every type of person there regardless of colour of skin, sexuality, religious belief. It was always a multicultural party. In the UK that mix has never changed or shifted in one direction. I believe (though don't know this) that the UK media (radio stations) are not as segregated by genre as they are in the USA. The charts in the UK are far more heavily focused on the single main "pop" chart with all others being side shows. In the UK Prince was seen as a pop star/icon rather than a black pop star/icon. Oh and just to qualify that last statement. I am not saying he shouldn't be considered a "black" artist or that to be so is in any way wrong. I just think in the UK we are less likely to draw colour lines when we define someone. Prince was just Prince and we could not have cared less what colour he was! [Edited 5/24/16 23:58pm]

Very well said jaypotton, unlike the USA!

Cloreen said:

Guitarhero said:

To Elvis fans only.

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Well, there were a hell of a lot of Elvis fans. Was it most people? No. But it sure was a massive number. By all accounts Elvis is still the most photographed human being to ever walk planet Earth. That's big medicine.

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To compare Prince to Elvis in public eminence is like comparing your county clerk to The President Of The United States.

Prince would run circles around Elvis arse in playing Musical Instruments! I never saw Elvis blowing up solos, he played rhythm but he couldn't even touch Prince's solos fool!

mtlfan said:

jaypotton said:

mtlfan said: I agree with most of what you say except this. It might be the case in the USA but in the UK Prince's fanbase is definitely NOT defined by race. That was always one of the coolest things about going to a Prince gig. You had absolutely every type of person there regardless of colour of skin, sexuality, religious belief. It was always a multicultural party. In the UK that mix has never changed or shifted in one direction. I believe (though don't know this) that the UK media (radio stations) are not as segregated by genre as they are in the USA. The charts in the UK are far more heavily focused on the single main "pop" chart with all others being side shows. In the UK Prince was seen as a pop star/icon rather than a black pop star/icon. Oh and just to qualify that last statement. I am not saying he shouldn't be considered a "black" artist or that to be so is in any way wrong. I just think in the UK we are less likely to draw colour lines when we define someone. Prince was just Prince and we could not have cared less what colour he was! [Edited 5/24/16 23:58pm]

I'm probably a little off-base with my racial profiling of Prince fans. The crowd at Muzique was mixed, he's obviously had crossover appeal for most of his career. But I do think Elvis' legacy is entrenched by a generation with more rigid beliefs about race, gender and sexuality. And even though the US is the world's leading producer of porn, "Head" isn't getting played on the morning drive any time soon.

Race in regards to what, that white folks are superior, old Klansman arse people, The Confederate flag, and slavery history or wish Black Folks was still picking cotton?

And as far as your last sentence that don't need to play "Head", that was very long time ago, and Prince didn't even sing the lyrics to anymore in his performances. But the radio could play God Is Alive, The Cross, One of Us, Thunder, Purple Rain, Anna Stesia, Holy River, Question of U, Gold, etc.

Cloreen said:

maplesyrupnjam said:

Cloreen said:

Your last line is hilarious. I suppose If there was no Elvis Presley... Prince would have found a way. He was born to make music.

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If there were no Elvis, yes, I agree with you, Prince would be making music....but he'd be doing it part time after he got home from work as an usher in a movie theater.

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You really do not understand the cultural impact of Elvis. Not musical impact, societal impact. Prior to Elvis the music and entertainment industry was for older people. You think Al Jolson was packing in teenagers? Sinatra changed that a bit, but it was Elvis who exploded the notion that records/entertainment were to be sold to middle aged people. An entire youth market began with Elvis and his leading the charge with rock and roll. We still experience that youth market today. That youth market is the number one demographic for selling music. Elvis was the man who brought that on.

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If there were no Elvis, Prince would be playing his music after coming home from work at the movie theater to sixty-five year old men in a run down jazz club with bare light bulbs hanging from the ceiling. And believe me, he wouldn't be playing "Jack U Off." He'd be playing that adult crap from "C-Note" or "N.E.W.S." boring the old drunks to tears.

In 1951, Ike Turner walked into Sam Phillips' studio in Memphis, Tenn. and, along with his band, helped create a sound that still echoes through history like thunder across the sky. The original song they recorded, Rocket 88, may well have been the first rock 'n' roll record, and in the years that followed, innumerable music reference sources, from The New Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock & Roll ("frequently cited as the first rock & roll record") to the website of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum ("widely considered the first rock and roll record"), have backed up that title.

But that's not what some folks think in Memphis. This month the city is celebrating what officials bill as the "50th Anniversary of Rock 'n' Roll," pegging it not to Rocket 88 but to one made three years later: Elvis Presley's July 5th, 1954 recording of That's All Right, a cover of a song previously released by its composer, bluesman Arthur "Big Boy" Crudup, in 1946. This is certainly not all right.

The man Phillips would discover in the wake of Rocket 88, Elvis Presley, was one of a long line of people that helped shaped rock. Memphis Minnie, Louis Jordan, Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Jerry Lee Lewis, Buddy Holly, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, and many others also played important roles. One of Presley's most significant contributions was this: he was able to make more of a commercial impact in rock than the black performers who pioneered the field. In fact, before he signed Presley, Phillips famously declared that "If I could find a white man who had the Negro sound and the Negro feel, I could make a billion dollars." He found Presley, and the money followed. Just think of how much cash Phillips could have made off of Bill Clinton.

http://content.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,661084,00.html

What do you think of Mr. Phillips quote???

maplesyrupnjam said:

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he indirectly influenced a burgeoning sexuality among 50s and 60s youth but by the late 60s, he was a dinosaur.

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P.S Elvis's films were fucking terrible.

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But by the point that Elvis was a "dinosaur," he had already done his job in starting the rampant sexuality of the late '60s! Guess what, Orville and Wilbur Wright flew the first plane in 1903. They and their plane were dinosaurs when the Space Shuttle took off. Does that mean they are not the acknowledged influence on it?

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2. Elvis films terrible? Uhh, you clearly have not seen VIVA LAS VEGAS. I don't want to question your sexuality, but a man is not a man if he hasn't seen Ann Margret in VIVA LAS VEGAS. (Hell of a lot hotter than that boy Kristen Scott Thomas in that Cherry Moon nonsense.)

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Cloreen said:

Gamillione said:

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1. Elvis was/ is an icon, and i think that status doesnt come from talent.

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2. Elvis most likely never wrote a song..

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3. he fed off of African American singers and took their songs.

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1. Well, where exactly does Elvis iconic status come from? His acting? You are saying that the most iconic performer in modern history of the world got that way because of no talent. Incredible.

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2. Yes, Elvis did write songs; however, Elvis is not famous for being a songwriter. His talents when it comes to song composition lie in the interpretation of the song given him. If you think "Hound Dog" was a top song before it got into the hands of Elvis you'd be wrong. Elvis, like Sinatra, had an uncanny instinct in how to make a song better.

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3. He fed off of African Americans? Uh oh, there's the old white man steals from other cultures card. Sure some of Elvis' early hits were originally black r n b tunes. But he turned them into rock and roll tunes. Got it? He didn't release the same version of Mama Thornton's "Hound Dog." And by the way, most of Elvis' big tunes were written by Lieber and Stoller - two Jews from New York. I guess he was a Nazi - pilfering the work of Jews.

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Boy, your understanding of Elvis is very limited and based on the standard b.s. that is thrown out there when people who don't know Elvis speak about Elvis. Stole from blacks! No talent, just flash! Hey, was Elvis a creepy strange dude? Sure. But he was also an entertainer unlike any before or since. And by the way, without Elvis and what he did to change the cullture of modern society there would be no Prince. If Elvis didn't come along and do what he did, Prince would still be working as an usher in a movie theater.

Actually, im very versed in Elvis' music, my mom is a huge fan. I grew up watching the movies and listening to the music as well. Iconic status doesnt always come from talent alone. Thats what i meant with that comment. Marilyn Monroe was definitely not the greatest actress alive either. Iconic status has nothing to do with talent, that was my whole point.

2. Why do so many people wanna say one is pulling a card when u know my statement is true. Elvis fed off AA artists, not a falsity whatsoever lol. He might have wrote songs, he also stole some songs from AA artists and they never got a freaking dime from it. Ask lil richard how the game went down. it doenst matter what he turned the songs into. Elvis is not even the real king of rock and roll. Just cuz people say he is, it doesnt make it true. He did not MAKE rock n roll, he made it famous cuz of who? now u are getting my point. Yea elvis can 6e an icon 6ut he is definitely not a talented as Prince in any way, shape, or form.

The point is how are u gonna compare Prince to Keanu Reeves? I know u cud not mean that in a music sense. Elvis is way more keanu like than Prince could even 6e. IJS

maplesyrupnjam said:

Cloreen said:

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1. Well, where exactly does Elvis iconic status come from? His acting? You are saying that the most iconic performer in modern history of the world got that way because of no talent. Incredible.

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2. Yes, Elvis did write songs; however, Elvis is not famous for being a songwriter. His talents when it comes to song composition lie in the interpretation of the song given him. If you think "Hound Dog" was a top song before it got into the hands of Elvis you'd be wrong. Elvis, like Sinatra, had an uncanny instinct in how to make a song better.

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3. He fed off of African Americans? Uh oh, there's the old white man steals from other cultures card. Sure some of Elvis' early hits were originally black r n b tunes. But he turned them into rock and roll tunes. Got it? He didn't release the same version of Mama Thornton's "Hound Dog." And by the way, most of Elvis' big tunes were written by Lieber and Stoller - two Jews from New York. I guess he was a Nazi - pilfering the work of Jews.

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Boy, your understanding of Elvis is very limited and based on the standard b.s. that is thrown out there when people who don't know Elvis speak about Elvis. Stole from blacks! No talent, just flash! Hey, was Elvis a creepy strange dude? Sure. But he was also an entertainer unlike any before or since. And by the way, without Elvis and what he did to change the cullture of modern society there would be no Prince. If Elvis didn't come along and do what he did, Prince would still be working as an usher in a movie theater.

Your last line is hilarious.I suppose If there was no Elvis Presley, Prince wouldn't have been born if you want to expand your ludicrous premise. Prince would have found a way. He was born to make music. I suppose If there was no Beatles, The Smiths would all be working in the DSS in Salford lol.

as long as there was a james 6rown, LIL RICHARD, SLY, etc there would have 6een a Prince.

jaypotton said:

mtlfan said:

Prince's core fanbase were gen x-ers and, I'm presuming, African-American

I am not saying he shouldn't be considered a "black" artist or that to be so is in any way wrong. I just think in the UK we are less likely to draw colour lines when we define someone. Prince was just Prince and we could not have cared less what colour he was! [Edited 5/24/16 23:58pm]

In Australia too- I dont think anyone thinks about that we just see him as Purple !! (Prince is Prince -not skin colour)

[Edited 5/26/16 14:26pm]

[Edited 5/26/16 14:26pm]

thedance said:

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both were icons..........

Sometimes I curse the inventor of Photoshop!

Astasheiks said:

Cloreen said:

In 1951, Ike Turner walked into Sam Phillips' studio in Memphis, Tenn. and, along with his band, helped create a sound that still echoes through history like thunder across the sky. The original song they recorded, Rocket 88, may well have been the first rock 'n' roll record, and in the years that followed, innumerable music reference sources, from The New Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock & Roll ("frequently cited as the first rock & roll record") to the website of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum ("widely considered the first rock and roll record"), have backed up that title.

But that's not what some folks think in Memphis. This month the city is celebrating what officials bill as the "50th Anniversary of Rock 'n' Roll," pegging it not to Rocket 88 but to one made three years later: Elvis Presley's July 5th, 1954 recording of That's All Right, a cover of a song previously released by its composer, bluesman Arthur "Big Boy" Crudup, in 1946. This is certainly not all right.

The man Phillips would discover in the wake of Rocket 88, Elvis Presley, was one of a long line of people that helped shaped rock. Memphis Minnie, Louis Jordan, Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Jerry Lee Lewis, Buddy Holly, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, and many others also played important roles. One of Presley's most significant contributions was this: he was able to make more of a commercial impact in rock than the black performers who pioneered the field. In fact, before he signed Presley, Phillips famously declared that "If I could find a white man who had the Negro sound and the Negro feel, I could make a billion dollars." He found Presley, and the money followed. Just think of how much cash Phillips could have made off of Bill Clinton.

http://content.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,661084,00.html

What do you think of Mr. Phillips quote???

As you all can see Cloreen want respond when busted with some serious facts!

I have been a member here for a long time and have often joined in the Prince/Elvis threads. These two men are the core of my musical taste and i could argue for days how similar so much of their work/image is, but to be honest, I am just to sad (still) from Prince's passing to get into it, besides this thread is really not about comparing their work or their lives but their legacy.

Ultimately, only time will tell if Prince stays as present in the mainstream as Elvis has. The same discussions were taking place after Michael died and there is still no easy answer or resolution to that discussion. Because, again, only time will tell. We will have to be 25 years past MJ's passing to really know and the same for Prince.

I do think that with Prince there is tremendous potential because of how enigmatic he stayed and how he kept his work from the public in the internet age. There are people who are just now really starting to get an idea of how powerful of a live performer Prince really was (via youtube). If the estate (whoever/whatever) that ends up meaning for Prince is wise in their releases instead of going for fast money grabs, then it is likely they could build a much larger fan base for Prince in death than he had in life, which is sad.

Something to consider, the fact that whenever anyone of any real importance in pop culture dies the first person that is brought up to quantify or contextualize their impact is Elvis. It is almost 40 years since he died and he is still the benchmark.

Ultimately, I find these comparisons fairly useless. Each artists legacy will be its own thing. No one can take Prince's impact out of the equation and the same is true for MJ and for Elvis and for Ray Charles and for Johnny Cash and on and on and on.

Cloreen said:

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he indirectly influenced a burgeoning sexuality among 50s and 60s youth but by the late 60s, he was a dinosaur.

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P.S Elvis's films were fucking terrible.

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But by the point that Elvis was a "dinosaur," he had already done his job in starting the rampant sexuality of the late '60s! Guess what, Orville and Wilbur Wright flew the first plane in 1903. They and their plane were dinosaurs when the Space Shuttle took off. Does that mean they are not the acknowledged influence on it?

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2. Elvis films terrible? Uhh, you clearly have not seen VIVA LAS VEGAS. I don't want to question your sexuality, but a man is not a man if he hasn't seen Ann Margret in VIVA LAS VEGAS. (Hell of a lot hotter than that boy Kristen Scott Thomas in that Cherry Moon nonsense.)

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Ann Margret was sexy no doubt. I'm Irish, so I love me a redhead. I suspect i'm younger than you (41) so you can have that one

Elvis's films were still crap though. Used to watch them with my Dad when I was a kid. He was an Elvis nut. He couldn't act for skins as my late old man used to say. He only watched them for the musical interludes.

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Elvis's films were still crap though.

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You don't make 31 of them if they were crap.

How many "Catwoman" movies did Halle Berry make? Get my point?

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