TheQuest said:

I know everyone is tired of the rampant speculation. We just need to remember that all of this is beyond frustrating. Mostly because we are all having to wait for the autopsy results and time in this instance appears to move at a snails pace because we all want answers for this terrible tragedy. I also know there are people that say this is none of our business and I see their viewpoint, however we were all heavily invested in this man's life because his music touched us all on a very deep level. He was family and we all need closure. Speculation aside, we all just need to grieve in our own way.

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He was family!

Thank you!

I can not believe we are talking about this... i am still terribly sad by this....and here we are getting a little argumentative over was he abusing drugs or did he have aids.... like it was a tv show cliff hanger.... i am out i will wait for the report and I will never stop jamming his music I will miss him but dang y'all....this is Prince we are talking about.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

its just sad all the way around,,,,my heart is broken about it all

norsknurse said:

He also said he was receiving B12 shots. That's in line with the "very low red blood count" that was leaked. Speculating here, but could he have had severe anemia (or chronic blood loss like and ulcer) and since JW's don't allow blood transfusions (the only definitive treatment) they tried B12 but it was not sufficient?

I have been gettign B 12 shots for years as I have an absorbtion problem and extremely low energy.

At no time was it recommended for me to have a blood transfusion.

Use of pain killers does not an addict make.

Yes he was in chronic pain, that doesn't mean he was an addict and was popping pills illegally.

He may have had an addiction specialist on call because he wanted to STOP taking opiates and thus the best way is to have a plan from an addiction specialist who can make it happen safely. Someone who could advise what type of pain pills he could take besides opiates that would help him.

There is a HUGE jump from someone taking pain pills to being an addict.

Here is why i am fucked.....True confession,, i've bassed part of my life on planning his next release, next concert i can attend, loggoing into the org,etc..someome just mentioned family..this place has been apart of me since alt.music.prince was disbaneded..He was my first concert , Controvery tour and i have subsequently seen him on damn near ever tour since..Even when i was in Navy, i made sure my leave was to see him oiverseas or at Hampton Coliseum iin VA,,, I took a sales job at IBM as i would coverr the Central Region which MN was a part of..Do meetings all week with Cargill andd Superalu and Wilson Leather etc etc 3M corp just so i could ectend the truip prior to going back to Boston to see if he would show up at Bunkers or do a show at PP, now that is over.,,Although i have a family it is like i lost my brother and best friend whom i loved spendign time with,,, Huge void in my life for whcih now i need a suitable repplacement yest nothing or no ones seems to resonate with me liek he did

lwr001 said:

Here is why i am fucked.....True confession,, i've bassed part of my life on planning his next release, next concert i can attend, loggoing into the org,etc..someome just mentioned family..this place has been apart of me since alt.music.prince was disbaneded..He was my first concert , Controvery tour and i have subsequently seen him on damn near ever tour since..Even when i was in Navy, i made sure my leave was to see him oiverseas or at Hampton Coliseum iin VA,,, I took a sales job at IBM as i would coverr the Central Region which MN was a part of..Do meetings all week with Cargill andd Superalu and Wilson Leather etc etc 3M corp just so i could ectend the truip prior to going back to Boston to see if he would show up at Bunkers or do a show at PP, now that is over.,,Although i have a family it is like i lost my brother and best friend whom i loved spendign time with,,, Huge void in my life for whcih now i need a suitable repplacement yest nothing or no ones seems to resonate with me liek he did

Hey we all feel the same way.

McD said:

SoulAlive said:

McD said:

Guys... you'd need to be nuts at this stage to think painkillers weren't a huge thing in Prince's life. A danger to his health, and an addiction.

I don't think this guy is lying, but perhaps Prince didn't involve him in that part of his life. Was this interview taken at the JW memorial? Perhaps if he got connected through that, Prince kept his addicition and his religion separate.

If this guy knows all there is to know, then we have an unexplained plane landing to deal with. We have the addicition specialist who found Prince's body and who now has a lawyer which suddenly makes no sense, we have the DEA descending on Paisley Park like its Waco Texas for just a guy dying of the flu.

The ship has long since sailed on this having nothing to do with addiction.

I agree.There are too many signs that indicate that painkillers played a big role in all of this.

I GET IT,,once agian i am fucked up over this as ive taken pain killers for fun, snorted blow, drank way tooo much, dont really eat healthy, drive fast etc, been to war several times yet here i am,...My CO alwasy said before we went on raids that we cant outrun fate yet i have fuckign survivors remorse right about now

Let me state for the record here:

Percocet was in his system. I have no doubt he was OVERusing. I have no doubt that it's a reason for the over use ie another medical condition.

I do harken back to the TMZ report I listed earlier that the over use was a sudden occurence because 1. the prescriptions was from his doctor and no doctor shopping has been found ,and 2. the report from his chef about the changes in diet, and 3. the dangerously low red blood count.

No one knows what happened yet—no one.

Until we do, let's pump the breaks on unsubstantiated rumors, conspiracy theories, and D-level news sites.

The fact that Prince is gone is bad enough.

he couldnt make the transition from one substance to another (pill form)

cardinal said:

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They sound like professionals.

Too bad they didn't seem to know that the laws and regulations regarding Suboxone are strict and that carrying it across state lines is against the law.

avajane said:

norsknurse said:

He also said he was receiving B12 shots. That's in line with the "very low red blood count" that was leaked. Speculating here, but could he have had severe anemia (or chronic blood loss like and ulcer) and since JW's don't allow blood transfusions (the only definitive treatment) they tried B12 but it was not sufficient?

Is there anything else related to low red blood cell count, besides anemia?

Some leukemias, there are multiple types of anemias that can, some anemias can be serious, certain kidney issues, some medications like chemo, etc, etc.

ThirdStrike said:

paulludvig said:

ThirdStrike said: Sometimes people collaps if they push themself to hard. He had been ill for weeks and had just finished performing to intense shows.

Would you then administer NARCAN for a simple collapse? Again, it's specifically designed to treat OPIOD OVERDOSE...

In this case, the emergency responders did not know what was wrong. They likely administered Narcan given they had no history on their patient, as no one around him seems to know his medical history. Narcan given to a non-opioid overdose will not hurt the patient. In some places it seems to be part of the protocol in an emergency situation.

djThunderfunk said:

Trickology said:

He doesn't have a reason to lie, but Prince could've been hiding his personal habits and over time figured out a way so none of his inner circle could be able to detect his issue. I tell you, it didn't surprise me when the rumors came out that prince was on various substances. Usually when a high profile scolds you for doing drugs in a particular forceful tone, its because that person is suffering as well. Its easier to preach from the pulpit rather than looking in the mirror.

No, I don't think Prince was clean at all, I wouldnt be surprised if he was on speed to keep up with his productivity or something of that nature.

I've heard the painkiller rumors for years, it isn't adding up that he was living a clean lifestyle.

I think people were fooling themselves in the past year or so that Prince was healthy. Whatever it was, (I doubt very much that someone that deep in religious cult philosophies) it wasn't just a "Vegan lifestyle" It doesn't take anything away from his genius or legacy, but it does point to a obvious point: Maybe certain drugs are needed to keep going at the pace these artists are living life at.

There is no way Prince could have an ongoing substance abuse problem and this man not be aware of it.

I agree with this. I know no one has ever seen him take anything (minus the one story about the bad trip everyone on here likely knows about), but the actual ingestion of medications could be hidden. However, there are typically some signs someone may have some type of issue that is ongoing. So far, no one is saying they saw any indications of him having any type of substance issues. This would be incredibly difficult to hide, especially every single day. The only one who saw some indications of illness was the chef, but from the way he is explaining it, I do not feel he was talking about withdrawals. It seems like something was actually wrong physically. I don't think his diet is to blame for anything, either.

ThirdStrike said:

lezama said:

Do you understand what an investigation intails? Who would be the experts in federal level offenses? Local authorities or FEDERAL ones? If you don't know what you're talking about, why are you responding to me?

That's my point. DEA would have absolutely no part in a non drug related investigation. I mean, the word "drug" is right in the name. It'[s the first letter...

It became federal when the non-doctor from California flew on the plane with Suboxone to hand out without a prescription, without a patient consultation apparently from a doctor, with no medical records and without the use of a pharmacy. This medication is not hard to get from a pharmacy via legit routes. It is also used to treat pain not related to addiction. If Prince really had issues, the worst thing someone could have done was call these people in California for help.

ThirdStrike said:

farnorth said:

He mentions B12 injections; B12 deficiency (a problem for vegans) is related to low red blood cell count, which was reported by KSTP.

Prince was not a vegan...Nor is his friend Erykah Badu...He eats eggs.. He probably feared B-vitamin deficiency, and continued to eat eggs. (So, over-eating eggs puts a lot fo cholesterol in your blodd vessels...Eh...)

The good Bacteria and enzymes in your gut have to produce B vitamins from what you eat. Even meat eaters are getting these shots because the meat is cooked, and the body becomes less able to process B vitamins from what a person eats as they mature.

Caffeine is a threat to B-Vitamins...

I hear don Dor.. ont he radio who said that is one ate meat/flesh/eggs/Fish for just a 4th of their lives that they'd have enough B vitmains for a lifetime if they stopped for teh rest of it..(Well, not with long-term high intake of Caffeine)

The USDA does not even acknoeledge most os teh B-Vitamins as neccessary..(Inositol).

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gatorgirl said:

ThirdStrike said:

Would you then administer NARCAN for a simple collapse? Again, it's specifically designed to treat OPIOD OVERDOSE...

In this case, the emergency responders did not know what was wrong. They likely administered Narcan given they had no history on their patient, as no one around him seems to know his medical history. Narcan given to a non-opioid overdose will not hurt the patient. In some places it seems to be part of the protocol in an emergency situation.

Yes, it is EMS protocol here in Massachusetts (and will most likely go nationwide) to give Narcan when responding to any situation where the patient isn't conscious and bystanders have no idea why the patient is down. It's the best course of action since it won't hurt someone even if they haven't taken drugs.

Suzee said:

The tox and other reports can't come out soon enough. Why is it taking so long!

B12 shots stories came out on here during the ONA tour, didn't it?

Tami3121 said:

The tox and other reports can't come out soon enough. Why is it taking so long!

Maybe because they want to make sure that they dot all the I's and cross all the T's, be thorough because this is a high profile case. I agree with u, the waiting is torture

Suzee said:

The body guard would not necessarily know. There seems to be quite a lot of evidence that there was an addiction problem. Do you guys have any idea how common opioid addiction is? There is no shame in becoming addicted it can happen to anyone. No shame just sadness.

i don't think it's easy to hide that kind of addiction, but I could be wrong. I had a friend who started smoking pot, he was getting forgetful and just slow and goofy. Finally, I looked at him and said "you're hi" and we talked about it. Even something like marijuana leaves signs. And i've known opioid addicts and they can't even function. Now, i don't know what this bodyguard saw or how close he was but I do know that pretty much every other artist was obviously having problems which the public could plainly see. Elvis was a mess before he died and the word was out, Michael had been in rehab and his problems were documented, whitney houston could deny crack all she wanted, it convinced no one. But Prince? I still don't know what to make of any of it. The rumors were there for years and we heard them but we never saw the mask slip did we? he never had the embarrassing moments the others did under the stage lights.

PeteSilas said:

MMJas said:

This is the bodyguard that allegedly carried him to the ambulance when the plance incident happened. So if we are to believe what this man is saying (and we have no reason no to, at this stage), then Prince did not OD on opiates, that was not why the plane made an emergency landing. Right?

Also: why doesnt the interviewer ask that specific question? Seems like a logical thing to do in that situation right?