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This says at Prince's JW Memorial, Larry was on the Program for Interview: Larry Graham
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Your post didn't post correctly, it looks like I wrote the last 2 sentences but its actually Crowns1....Corrected it | |
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Very true. Hence if you look at some of his former musicians and people like Gayle, Dez, Denise and Robia LaMorte (Pearl), when they got serious about religion, they left.
Now I'm not saying that Prince was going to be one of those artists that turned to Gospel music BUT I do think that had he had some other people around him more that was serious about their own Christian domination, he probably would had became a member of a different Christian demonation vs. joining up with the JWs. | |
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prince had a very stern, legalistic, unforgiving father. how could it have been a good thing that LG took up that role. I'm sure JlNelson mellowed a bit over time, and I'm sure LG isn't as bad as JLN at his worst,but still....
+++ FWIW I met LG a few times in when I lived in Nashville in the 90s. The wife was with him twice and they were the epitome of "fake nice" tele-evangelist smile in your face,damn u to hell behind your back types. this is before they met P, they might have been different but i doubt it.
+++ on a positive tip, i used to see dez and his family at the Turtles in Brentwood all the time. genuinly lovely man. i was surprised how short he was, maybe 5'5". the boys were darling,the wife a pill. i could only laugh when i read in hahn's and light's books about her being a bitch- i could totally see it. she was also fake nice. [Edited 7/5/16 16:37pm] Prince #MUSICIANICONLEGEND | |
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I remember reporters asking Larry about Prince right after he died and Larry looked frightened. I think he knows something that he's not telling. | |
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Thanks for your thoughts on this....appreciate it. Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end | |
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Astasheiks said:
It's directly from the Bible. If you look it up, it's in your Bible too, probably worded differently as the translations are different, but same meaning. It simply means that a man has had a chance to show who he is when he dies, and if he has shown himself to be faithful to God (not perfect, but faithful in his heart), then there is reason to celebrate that. As Prince himself said long ago in that interview with Mel B. I'll celebrate the day I die. And it is better to be thoughtful and in prayer for instance than partying all the time and not having any real meaning in your life. That doesn't mean you should never party. Salomon says elsewhere that there's a time for everything, including having fun. The scriptures quoted were no doubt explained at the memorial. And there are references so you can look each of them up in your own Bible. It was natural for Larry to speak at the memorial, being his close friend. And I saw him in that interview too. You're projecting, he wasn't afraid, he was in shock and terribly sad after losing his brother and friend so suddenly. He probably didn't want to break down and cry. How did you feel that day and you never knew him personally! Yes, obviously he knew of the plane incident even if Prince or others at PP didn't contact him, but we were all told it was due to the flu and dehydration. My guess is that Prince was in denial. His actions point in that direction. Sometimes I think some people see this as a reality show and think they get to vote people out of Prince's life. It was his life. His. And he never enrolled in a reality show for us to be judge and jury in. If he was so gullible, wouldn't he have listened to you? I read some of the threads on the Org way back when he converted, and surely he did too. Just maybe he was able to make up his own mind about things after all? Using logic and his already vast knowledge of the Bible. That doesn't mean we have to agree with him on everything, but respecting his opinions and believing everything he did isn't the same thing. I always try to respect the choices of others and their right to disagree with me. God gave us the freedom to choose after all. We must each one of us accept the consequences of our choices of course, but it is our right to choose. So I could go on all day about Catholicism, Protestantism and a lot of other "isms", but I won't. That's your choice. I offer to explain my choice, but I won't speak ill of yours. That to me is about respect and Christian love. Do unto others.. | |
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Like you said, we are all entitled to our own opinions and mine is that LG was way closer and more influential to Prince than the rest of us who heard about the plane incident and accepted the flu and dehydration story. | |
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It's weird, no matter whose bible it's in. | |
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MMJas said:
Like you said, we are all entitled to our own opinions and mine is that LG was way closer and more influential to Prince than the rest of us who heard about the plane incident and accepted the flu and dehydration story. I don't know what he knew and didn't know. We are all just guessing. I won't judge him just like I won't judge Sheila E for accepting that Prince was resting when she called. Call again? But either she didn't or the answer was the same. And maybe the one Larry got too? We just don't know and are judging people on the appearance they give us on camera or during brief encounters at best. I've met several celebrities and they often come across as fake when you talk to them as they simply can't show genuine personal interest in every person who comes along. Some are better at faking it than others. Why did Judith go home the day after the plane incident instead of staying? Where was *name friend or business associate of your choice*? We don't know, but it must have made sense to them at the time and been haunting them every single day after he died. Like it always is with these things. Death will do this to you because there is no second chance to get it right. | |
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CROWNS1 said:
It's weird, no matter whose bible it's in. Fair enough. | |
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Just out of curiosity I went to http://biblehub.com And searched for Ecclesiastes 7. You can switch between the various versions (translations) and it's incredible the way the meaning changes, maybe slightly, but it's that little bit that makes it different. IMO the JW version is far more judgemental than many others. And judgement is usually not a good thing for ppl's minds. "No one plays the clarinet the way U play my heart" | |
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rightbluecheek said: Just out of curiosity I went to
http://biblehub.com And searched for Ecclesiastes 7. You can switch between the various versions (translations) and it's incredible the way the meaning changes, maybe slightly, but it's that little bit that makes it different. IMO the JW version is far more judgemental than many others. And judgement is usually not a good thing for ppl's minds. Just read the whole chapter in my own Danish JW translation and I see no judgement anywhere. There is a big understanding of human frailty to be found in that chapter. I love it. Salomon was a very wise man who saw behind many of the things that man will strive to get, but that are really worthless. He even warns in this chapter against setting the bar too high for yourself and others. I see a lot of love and understanding here. Guess we read it differently. Just found one of my favourites from that chapter in the English JW translation. We are none of us perfect and can easily ruin it for ourselves and others if we demand perfection. Very balanced view in this and the following verses imo: "16 Do not be overly righteous, nor show yourself excessively wise. Why should you bring ruin to yourself?" [Edited 7/6/16 6:42am] | |
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MMJas said:
The problem is, people are blaming others they dislike for Prince's choice. I've said it before, I don't really like LG either. But it's not his fault Prince made choices. If Prince had not /wanted/ to be come a JW, he wouldn't have, no matter what LG said to him. You guys really need to stop blaming other people and trying to pretend Prince wasn't a grown ass man just because you don't like certain people. It's offensive and childish. Honestly, there are quite a few of you who need to step away from here and go see a therapist, because you frankly don't know how to separate fantasy from reality. And I'm seeing a lot of fantasy in this thread and a LOT of others.
Grow the hell up. This was no one's fault but Prince's. Nobody MADE him do this. No one was obligated to force him to do anything. Fuck off with this nonsense. | |
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Wlcm2thdwn3 said: I remember reporters asking Larry about Prince right after he died and Larry looked frightened. I think he knows something that he's not telling. He just lost one of his best friends how was he supposed to look? I'm sure he was in shock more than anything. Same with Van Jones. Paisley Park is in your heart
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I have to agree that everyone reads with their own mind, hence the different meaning one attributes to words. Who knows what may happen translating the same words in another language, and another, and another.... I have great respect for the scriptures, but I see them for what they are...human wisdom written millennia ago in three dead languages. What I wanted to point out, and I thank you for helping me be more precise, is that, for this reason exactly, they need to be read with wisdom and common sense, that deep down are present in every human being. Sometimes, unfortunately, the meaning of those words can be distorted or taken in a certain direction, stressing out some things vs others, and this could lead to different interpretations. Regarding frailty of humans, that is a very big subject definitely worth of further discussion. Thank you for answering! "No one plays the clarinet the way U play my heart" | |
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rightbluecheek said:
I have to agree that everyone reads with their own mind, hence the different meaning one attributes to words. Who knows what may happen translating the same words in another language, and another, and another.... I have great respect for the scriptures, but I see them for what they are...human wisdom written millennia ago in three dead languages. What I wanted to point out, and I thank you for helping me be more precise, is that, for this reason exactly, they need to be read with wisdom and common sense, that deep down are present in every human being. Sometimes, unfortunately, the meaning of those words can be distorted or taken in a certain direction, stressing out some things vs others, and this could lead to different interpretations. Regarding frailty of humans, that is a very big subject definitely worth of further discussion. Thank you for answering! I agree wholeheartedly! It is very important to use wisdom and common sense, and I would add also to always try to let the Bible explain itself - if you take it to be the word of God, of course. It has a lot to say also to those who do not believe so. I know that our translation is made carefully referencing the original texts, first into English and from English into each of the other languages, of course still paying attention to the original texts. We are still waiting for the latest translation into Danish. It was released in 2013 in English, so it takes time because it's so important to be precise. Also we often refer back to the original texts in our study at our meetings, and there are often footnotes with alternative translations of original words used etc. Some are very good at cross-referencing for instance with the Greek texts in the New Testament during their personal study, and I enjoy their comments, but I'm not very good at that myself. I do often read the English translation though and I can only think of one example in the older translation where there was a minor discrepancy. No biggie, the general meaning was definitely the same. Other than that one minor word I have never met anything but consistency between the Danish and English translations. And I should add that I'm a translator by education and a perfectionist. LOL [Edited 7/6/16 8:42am] | |
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I did not blame anyone. In fact, I've stated many times on other threads that Prince made his own choices. Where did you read that I blamed LG for Prince becoming a JW? Or for taking drugs? Nowhere. What i said was that I felt LG had a lot of influence over Prince and because of that he must have known something was up, either an ilness or an addiction. It's not something you can desguise for that long. What i said was I find it hard to believe that nobody knew something was wrong. Especially those that were as close to him as LG was. Somebody must have known something, that was the gist of my comment.
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MMJas said:
I did not blame anyone. In fact, I've stated many times on other threads that Prince made his own choices. Where did you read that I blamed LG for Prince becoming a JW? Or for taking drugs? Nowhere. What i said was that I felt LG had a lot of influence over Prince and because of that he must have known something was up, either an ilness or an addiction. It's not something you can desguise for that long. What i said was I find it hard to believe that nobody knew something was wrong. Especially those that were as close to him as LG was. Somebody must have known something, that was the gist of my comment.
But do we know what he knew and if they were in contact that week? I don't, but I could have missed something. I took the way he responded to questions as him trying to be as open as he was comfortable being about his friend while still keeping quiet about most of what he knew or didn't know to protect his friend's privacy. Plus he was devastated of course. | |
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That last part of what U said? I might also add insincere amongst many other things. I'm just waiting 4 the book Larry will write to drop. I mean now that he let his meal ticket down, let's watch his career circle the drain and him scramble 2 the next thing. If it wasn't 4 P, ole Larry would have been done years ago and been playing tribute shows. | |
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And it is better to be thoughtful and in prayer for instance than partying all the time and not having any real meaning in your life. That doesn't mean you should never party. Salomon says elsewhere that there's a time for everything, including having fun. The scriptures quoted were no doubt explained at the memorial. And there are references so you can look each of them up in your own Bible. God gave us the freedom to choose after all. We must each one of us accept the consequences of our choices of course, but it is our right to choose. So I could go on all day about Catholicism, Protestantism and a lot of other "isms", but I won't. That's your choice. I offer to explain my choice, but I won't speak ill of yours. That to me is about respect and Christian love. Do unto others. This.Right.Here. I'm in the news again
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MMJas said:
I did not blame anyone. In fact, I've stated many times on other threads that Prince made his own choices. Where did you read that I blamed LG for Prince becoming a JW? Or for taking drugs? Nowhere. What i said was that I felt LG had a lot of influence over Prince and because of that he must have known something was up, either an ilness or an addiction. It's not something you can desguise for that long. What i said was I find it hard to believe that nobody knew something was wrong. Especially those that were as close to him as LG was. Somebody must have known something, that was the gist of my comment.
Ah, but when you suggest what you have, you insinuate that Larry was somehow responsible for Prince. You indirectly blame Larry simply because you do not like him, and do not like the direction Prince took. You have no idea whether this was a direct result of Larry or not. And even if it was, so what? You don't get to decide what's right for anyone else. Please learn how to take responsibility for your feelings, sweetie. You also don't know what was going on in places you haven't been. I wasn't there, so I can't judge. Unlike you, I can accept that and not blame others for what they did or did not know. | |
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The CLASSIC Wolves in Sheep clothing types.... Who need a good [Edited 7/6/16 10:18am] | |
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The Majority on here don't like Larry bytch arse and you ain't going to change that. And yes he has some part to blame for getting P in that Cult!!! | |
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Astasheiks said:
The Majority on here don't like Larry bytch arse and you ain't going to change that. And yes he has some part to blame for getting P in that Cult!!! I don't want you to like Larry. Hell, I don't like him either. I'm just pointing out hiw stupid it is to blame him for some shit Prince did. And it's also childish to call JW a cult because you don't like it. But if it makes you feel better to throw a tantrum like a child, go ahead. You just keep losing in the end, because I know you're an uneducated little brat. | |
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You are very silly and still haven't learned how to read. I insinuated nothing. I don't like LG and always felt he came across as fake way before this tragic incident. I blamed nobody, I'm just wondering how come someone who seemed to be as close as LG did not know something was going on? In fact, I'm not even saying he did know. As for me thinking this was a direct result of Larry... what? Where are you getting all this from? | |
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MMJas said:
You are very silly and still haven't learned how to read. I insinuated nothing. I don't like LG and always felt he came across as fake way before this tragic incident. I blamed nobody, I'm just wondering how come someone who seemed to be as close as LG did not know something was going on? In fact, I'm not even saying he did know. As for me thinking this was a direct result of Larry... what? Where are you getting all this from? You are very silly yourself. I got it directly from you. But whatever, if you cannot see how your own words are giving of exactly the impression I get of you, then I can't be bothered with you. You can neither read nor write, so feel free to post pics of Prince's dong. Those are more entertaining than any ridiculous response you might have. Have a good day, kid, I'm done with you and your equally stupid friend Asta. You two ho spend more time blaming Larry for shit he couldn't control. Or expecting him to see shit he couldn't, for whatever reason he didn't see it. | |
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You are still acusing me of blaming LG, so there's no point in continuing this "conversation". I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone who spews venom and insults people in every single sentence. Bye. | |
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