BoraBora said:

"Bob George" is nowhere a Camille track.

It was recorded with 2NU4WC and "Le Grind" specifically for Sheila E's birthday (P decided later to include it in TBA), and this apart it doesn't have any resemblances with the Camille concept.

The only fact that it features a P altered voice doesn't qualify automatically it as a Camille track.

Of course it is. What is the 'Camille concept' then?

Prince has stated that the Black Album was the work of the Character Camille.

Its clear Prince didn't have an exact plan, and Camille changed from Female to male at one point. But the only clear reference points to the Camille character are the Camille album, The Black Album and Scarlet Pussy. Everything else is fan speculation and wishful thinking.

SquirrelMeat said:

Of course it is. What is the 'Camille concept' then?

Prince has stated that the Black Album was the work of the Character Camille.

Its clear Prince didn't have an exact plan, and Camille changed from Female to male at one point. But the only clear reference points to the Camille character are the Camille album, The Black Album and Scarlet Pussy. Everything else is fan speculation and wishful thinking.

The Camille concept is simply the Camille album, to which add "U Got The Look" and "Scarlet Pussy" for specific credit.

I presume any reference to Camille as a creator of TBA is comin' from the Lovesexy Tour Book, but AFAIK we're talkin' of a decorative script made like a fantasy tale.
And we all know that the real history of TBA has nothing to do conceptually with Camille, apart from the fact that as 3 original Camille were included in SOTT here in TBA was included "Rockhard In A Funky Place".

BoraBora said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Of course it is. What is the 'Camille concept' then?

Prince has stated that the Black Album was the work of the Character Camille.

Its clear Prince didn't have an exact plan, and Camille changed from Female to male at one point. But the only clear reference points to the Camille character are the Camille album, The Black Album and Scarlet Pussy. Everything else is fan speculation and wishful thinking.

The Camille concept is simply the Camille album, to which add "U Got The Look" and "Scarlet Pussy" for specific credit.

I presume any reference to Camille as a creator of TBA is comin' from the Lovesexy Tour Book, but AFAIK we're talkin' of a decorative script made like a fantasy tale.
And we all know that the real history of TBA has nothing to do conceptually with Camille, apart from the fact that as 3 original Camille were included in SOTT here in TBA was included "Rockhard In A Funky Place".

You can't cut the Camille album away from the the Camille pesona / alter ego; out of preference, not fact.

Sure he was obviously making it up as he went along, but Prince clearly attibuted his Camille alter ego as the author of the Camille album and the black album.

The Camille character/label was clearly an attempt by Prince to categorise his more negative output at a time when he was experiencing a form of spiritual rebirth. When asked what happened to the black album, he refered to the tourbook as his explaination. Of course he even sung Bob George live explaining it was Camille.

Of course, its full of holes; Good Love was hardly a negative song, Camille was a girl, then a boy, Feel U up was labelled Camille unreleased, but Prince released etc. But whether it is or not, thats what Prince decided. We can't say it is not, when the author says it is.

Confusion rains further when fans try to attribute non Camille tracks to the Camille pesona, simply becasue of a sped up voice (i.e. Erotic City, Love or Money, Come On, F.U.N.K.). They are missing the whole point of what Prince was trying to get across.

SquirrelMeat said:

You can't cut the Camille album away from the the Camille pesona / alter ego; out of preference, not fact.

Sure he was obviously making it up as he went along, but Prince clearly attibuted his Camille alter ego as the author of the Camille album and the black album.

The Camille character/label was clearly an attempt by Prince to categorise his more negative output at a time when he was experiencing a form of spiritual rebirth. When asked what happened to the black album, he refered to the tourbook as his explaination. Of course he even sung Bob George live explaining it was Camille.

Of course, its full of holes; Good Love was hardly a negative song, Camille was a girl, then a boy, Feel U up was labelled Camille unreleased, but Prince released etc. But whether it is or not, thats what Prince decided. We can't say it is not, when the author says it is.

Confusion rains further when fans try to attribute non Camille tracks to the Camille pesona, simply becasue of a sped up voice (i.e. Erotic City, Love or Money, Come On, F.U.N.K.). They are missing the whole point of what Prince was trying to get across.

Only for the sake of discussing, according to your theory "When 2 R In Love" is a Camille track, right?!?!?!?

BoraBora said:

SquirrelMeat said:

You can't cut the Camille album away from the the Camille pesona / alter ego; out of preference, not fact.

Sure he was obviously making it up as he went along, but Prince clearly attibuted his Camille alter ego as the author of the Camille album and the black album.

The Camille character/label was clearly an attempt by Prince to categorise his more negative output at a time when he was experiencing a form of spiritual rebirth. When asked what happened to the black album, he refered to the tourbook as his explaination. Of course he even sung Bob George live explaining it was Camille.

Of course, its full of holes; Good Love was hardly a negative song, Camille was a girl, then a boy, Feel U up was labelled Camille unreleased, but Prince released etc. But whether it is or not, thats what Prince decided. We can't say it is not, when the author says it is.

Confusion rains further when fans try to attribute non Camille tracks to the Camille pesona, simply becasue of a sped up voice (i.e. Erotic City, Love or Money, Come On, F.U.N.K.). They are missing the whole point of what Prince was trying to get across.

Only for the sake of discussing, according to your theory "When 2 R In Love" is a Camille track, right?!?!?!?

Not according to me, according to Prince. Of course, this song also later made it out under the name Prince, as did Good Love, Feel U Up and Rebirth Of The Flesh.

KenGloria said:

Oh you quiet now!!!!

"— uh-uh".

Priceless.