Hello everyone. While I am a new member to this beautiful online community, I have appreciated Prince's music and message for many, many years.

I apologize if this view on this topic has already been discussed.

Most are aware of certain rules that apply to medical procedures that Witnesses feel they must adhere to, and in the case of a hip replacement, the possibility of having to introduce supplementary blood. I've read much regarding Prince's need for a double hip replacement, and the likeliness that he unfortunately never had it done. And while the main theory I've read is that he didn't have it done was because of his religioius beliefs, I was thinking it could have been something else.

My mom had a single hip replacement done 2 years ago, and she'd be the first to admit....you lose a LOT of modesty.

Maybe why Prince didn't feel comfortable having it done, was because at that point in his life, while having friends, and his protege(s) and acquaintances, he had no one he felt comfortable enough to with allow himself to be so intimately vulnerable. Seeing him in pain, heavily reduced or zero mobility for several days and weeks. In wheelchairs, on walkers, on crutches. You need help to do EVERYTHING. Getting in and out of bed. In and out of a chair. On and off the toilet. Was there anyone in Prince's life that HE would have been okay with helping him on and off the can? Showering? Getting dressed? Putting socks on his feet? Making him do his PT and exercises? These are all things you can't do by yourself for quite some time. You HAVE to have a support system in place. My mom and dad had to take actual CLASSES prior to the surgery to know how to take care of her for the 2-3 weeks before she was up and running. And that was only 1 side. Most everything I've read about double replacements state it's best to get in there and do the whole shebang all at once.

Obviously he had the funds to hire any number of nurses he'd ever need with a mile-long paper trail of non-disclosures, but it still doesn't take away the fact that with such a serious surgery, he'd need help doing the most basic of things. And we all know how private he was. Non-disclosures aside, did he want a stranger helping him to the toilet?

It just makes me sad to think that, if we completely (hypothetically) eliminate ANY religious or spiritual reasoning whatsoever, the simple fact of him not having the operation was because maybe HE felt he didn't have anyone intimate enough in his life to help care for him afterwards.

EDIT: I feel dumb because I have my paragraphs separated out while in the editor, but once posted it smashes them all together. I'm unsure how to fix it... Sorry!!

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I'm still trying to figure out who says he didn't have the surgery? I mean if he had it then all the speculation on why he didn't is pointless. Sometimes surgeries don't solve all the problems.

morningsong said:

I'm still trying to figure out who says he didn't have the surgery? I mean if he had it then all the speculation on why he didn't is pointless. Sometimes surgeries don't solve all the problems.

Agree. No one knows for sure. Though it seems what others (in his life) have said, it points to him not having had it done? Can anyone point to a 4-5 month timeframe within the last 6-7 years where NOTHING was heard of or seen of him? I'd think if he'd had it done he would have holed up in PP until he was more than fully rehabilited.

After my mom's surgery, her movement was 100% better, she was actually angry at herself for letting it go so long before she had it done, after it was all said and done. Now 3 hours after surgery....that was a different story! "Oh god, this better be worth it...."

Many of my peers have had the surgey on both hips. Out of everyone (there are more than 10 of my friends so far) only one surgey has resulted in complications or no reduction in pain.

Everyone else I know said the same thing - I SHOULD HAVE DONE IT SOONER.

I have a friend who recently had the other side done and he was walking around on his own in 3 days. I couldnt believe it. But you do need alot of support and its very very intimate.

morningsong said:

I'm still trying to figure out who says he didn't have the surgery? I mean if he had it then all the speculation on why he didn't is pointless. Sometimes surgeries don't solve all the problems.

He had some kind of alternative hip procedure in 2010 as far as I know. I'm told that hip and knee surgeries have a slightly better outcome than back surgery, which is around 50-50 success in reduction of pain.

I don't know what happened after that but speaking for myself if I had his resources I would have treated myself to the best rehab in the world. I would actually be more comfortable with strangers bathing me and taking me to the bathroom.

Does anybody else wonder why performers and athletes put themselves through so much? When I'm in pain heaven knows all bets are off and Im taking care of me first.

Everybody's different I guess.

Another reason Prince may not have had the hip replacement(s) could have possibly been: He was just afraid of it. A joint replacement surgery is not something that should be taken lightly (even though it will probably be worth it in the long run).

mailaccount63 said:

Another reason Prince may not have had the hip replacement(s) could have possibly been: He was just afraid of it. A joint replacement surgery is not something that should be taken lightly (even though it will probably be worth it in the long run).

ya, i don't think prince was unusual in that aspect. We don't know if or why he'd refuse surgery but I've stated before that some of us minorities are very suspicious of medical personel. The other factor is it's very invasive, no one wants to be dug into. Sammy Davis Jr. had to be cajoled into surgery too.

babynoz said:

morningsong said:

I'm still trying to figure out who says he didn't have the surgery? I mean if he had it then all the speculation on why he didn't is pointless. Sometimes surgeries don't solve all the problems.

He had some kind of alternative hip procedure in 2010 as far as I know. I'm told that hip and knee surgeries have a slightly better outcome than back surgery, which is around 50-50 success in reduction of pain.

I don't know what happened after that but speaking for myself if I had his resources I would have treated myself to the best rehab in the world. I would actually be more comfortable with strangers bathing me and taking me to the bathroom.

Does anybody else wonder why performers and athletes put themselves through so much? When I'm in pain heaven knows all bets are off and Im taking care of me first.

Everybody's different I guess.

Who knows what the prognosis was, or how extensive the damage was? Maybe what could actually be done was limited, maybe surgery would have caused other limits. Who the heck knows? There are way too many variables to make a firm hypothesis on why he did one thing over the other. (I suppose it's fun to guess.) Let alone IF he did one thing over another. What's becoming obvious, people didn't know as much about what he did as much as they would like to believe they did. I think having people in his head trying to figure him out was a big thing with him. Who knows? That's just my impression.

morningsong said:

babynoz said:

He had some kind of alternative hip procedure in 2010 as far as I know. I'm told that hip and knee surgeries have a slightly better outcome than back surgery, which is around 50-50 success in reduction of pain.

I don't know what happened after that but speaking for myself if I had his resources I would have treated myself to the best rehab in the world. I would actually be more comfortable with strangers bathing me and taking me to the bathroom.

Does anybody else wonder why performers and athletes put themselves through so much? When I'm in pain heaven knows all bets are off and Im taking care of me first.

Everybody's different I guess.

Who knows what the prognosis was, or how extensive the damage was? Maybe what could actually be done was limited, maybe surgery would have caused other limits. Who the heck knows? There are way too many variables to make a firm hypothesis on why he did one thing over the other. (I suppose it's fun to guess.) Let alone IF he did one thing over another. What's becoming obvious, people didn't know as much about what he did as much as they would like to believe they did. I think having people in his head trying to figure him out was a big thing with him. Who knows? That's just my impression.

I haven't made any guesses specifically about his reasons, just speaking for myself. I suppose the OP is just thinking out loud though.

At this point does it really matter

nursev said:

At this point does it really matter

To who? People have answer that question individually.

babynoz said:

nursev said:

At this point does it really matter

To who? People have answer that question individually.

Im saying in light of everything that happened at this point will we ever truly know if he did or not

babynoz said:

morningsong said:

Who knows what the prognosis was, or how extensive the damage was? Maybe what could actually be done was limited, maybe surgery would have caused other limits. Who the heck knows? There are way too many variables to make a firm hypothesis on why he did one thing over the other. (I suppose it's fun to guess.) Let alone IF he did one thing over another. What's becoming obvious, people didn't know as much about what he did as much as they would like to believe they did. I think having people in his head trying to figure him out was a big thing with him. Who knows? That's just my impression.

I haven't made any guesses specifically about his reasons, just speaking for myself. I suppose the OP is just thinking out loud though.

I'm just at a point where, I'm so confused. One minute one thing is said, another minute another thing is said. I'm just getting in the frame of mind that most of it is "In someone's humble opinion" anyway.

nursev said:

babynoz said:

To who? People have answer that question individually.

Im saying in light of everything that happened at this point will we ever truly know if he did or not

i think at the end of the day, even after the official investigation is closed we will be left with mostly questions and very few concrete answers.

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it's a shame prince never finished his own autobiography. i was really looking forward to that

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nursev said:

babynoz said:

To who? People have answer that question individually.

Im saying in light of everything that happened at this point will we ever truly know if he did or not

Baby sis, at this point this place is gonna be 1000 times more batshit crazy than it already is when that report is finally released. I'm not at all sure what I want to know right now.

XxAxX said:

babynoz said:

2olskool4u said:

Surely the indications are he HAS most likely had surgery, why the scars? I know recoveries from surgery are not what they used to be. Much quicker, so he would have been up and about after a few weeks. Anyone remember the pics of him on a mobility scooter??

But the scars that he had, not from personal knowledge but based on a picture I have seen and rumors I have heard, were not massive. Joint replacement leaves you with MASSIVE scars. He may have had "corrective" surgery, which is less invasive; this goes in and cleans up the joint: takes out bone chips, smooths the joint, and looks to see if a total joint replacement would indeed be the next best path to take, etc.

had to use hip surgery as a cover to take opiods instead of.....the other thing