mrwiggles said:

Once I read Patryce Chocolate memoirs of a funk diva I never really saw Graham in the same light again.

Can you share some light on what was said?

dolphinkiing23 said:

Its kind of pisses me off too.. the same with MJ.. where were all these friends in his last days? Im not famous.. but if i get the slightest illness I know have people in my life who love me enough to check on me if Im home alone..

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When your friends have $$$...When everyone has $$$, or are celebrities of their own right, its hard to be around.

SoulAlive said:

One thing that really disturbs me about big celebrities like Prince and Michael Jackson: these guys were stubborn and wouldn't listen to good advice.When Prince's plane made that emergency landing in Illinois,the doctor wanted Prince to stay overnight ("he was in dire condition",it was reported) but Prince insisted on leaving.I heard that Michael's family tried to help him several times,but he ignored their attempts to intervene It's possible that some of the people in Prince's camp tried to help him,but he simply refused to listen to them.

Unfortunately, maybe its pride...

Mr. Nelson also assured the crowd at the Paisley party that he was OK too...

It's just as bad with regulary folks too...I've seen it.

jdcxc said:

The big question for me...How could the Illinois hospital NOT give Prince a private room? Wtf

I was thinking that too..

..and where is TMZ getting all of this info from?

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Shelia E. with Larry Graham on Saturday at Paisley Park.

PurplePerson said:

mrwiggles said:

Once I read Patryce Chocolate memoirs of a funk diva I never really saw Graham in the same light again.

I think Larry Graham came along when Prince was vulnerable because of the loss of his child.. Prince was more than likely questioning his faith and Larry probably gave him the answers he was looking for with the Jehovah Witness teachings and etc.

Astasheiks said:

lwr001 said:

tollyc said:

Agree with you. He had a major OD 6 days earlier on a the plane.

Physically he should NOT have been left alone as his body was struggling.

Where was the friends?

Where was the staff?

You think his friends put him to bed every night or something?

And he's dressed by the maids when he gets out of bed?

OD - it's still only rumors, so quit all the conjecturing.

NME01 said:

I too, am pissed with the inner circle. Accidents happen, but this does feel easily preventable. Hate to think that some of these people will now be carving up the estate, especially as none have given him much support or sound advice for years. Bring back Alan Leeds to manage his estate and legacy, and the rest can piss off and live off their annecdotes. Sorry, just feels like Prince's had way too many useless people around him that were along for the ride.

The truth is all of Prince's so called friends that are speaking now are YES MEN.

Sheila E fell out with him because she is NOT a subservient Yes man/woman.

Same with Andre and Wendy/Lisa.

Van Jones and Tamron may have spoke to him for hours on the phone buy they are YES men. They suck up to Prince.

Real friends tell you if you are an idiot, being mean, being selfish, to get a grip. Prince HAD that with Sheila and others. He pushed them away and replaced that with peple who suck his balls. Tamron as a HUGE FAN. Prince liked her because she hung on his every word.

Larry's friendship was conditional. It was based on Prince accepting and pushing his religion.

That does not mean the new 'friends' who Prince spoke to in the last few years did not live him, but they did not challange him.

If Sheila E was around and knew he was taking painkillers, she would have told him straight. Same with Wendy and Lisa.

GirlBrother said:

Astasheiks said:

Can you share some light on what was said?

Interview with her, about the book, here: http://blogcritics.org/in...rmerly-of/ It seems that Larry left Sly because of Sly's drug use, and then Larry became an abusive addict himself. He became JW, and changed Graham Central Station into a religious group, so Patryce left. They later reunited, but Larry made all the money, while the rest of the band were on salaries. I fucking hate him.

Larry loves God so much yet worships money. Fraud.

If you love God, you recogine we are all EQUAL and Gods children, thus you want EVERYBODY else to do well and get paid what they deserve.

Astasheiks said:

Pentacle said:

Genesia said:

So if he'd never met Larry, he'd still be alive? I'm sorry, but that's just crazy.

Don't rule it out. Just saying. Don't rule it out.

NorthC said:

^Reading all of that, Larry doesn't appear to me as very different from Sly or Miles or JB or Prince. They all stole ideas -and money- from their band members to make themselves look like the big star.

Yep

keenly said:

NME01 said:

I too, am pissed with the inner circle. Accidents happen, but this does feel easily preventable. Hate to think that some of these people will now be carving up the estate, especially as none have given him much support or sound advice for years. Bring back Alan Leeds to manage his estate and legacy, and the rest can piss off and live off their annecdotes. Sorry, just feels like Prince's had way too many useless people around him that were along for the ride.

The truth is all of Prince's so called friends that are speaking now are YES MEN.

Sheila E fell out with him because she is NOT a subservient Yes man/woman.

Same with Andre and Wendy/Lisa.

Van Jones and Tamron may have spoke to him for hours on the phone buy they are YES men. They suck up to Prince.

Real friends tell you if you are an idiot, being mean, being selfish, to get a grip. Prince HAD that with Sheila and others. He pushed them away and replaced that with peple who suck his balls. Tamron as a HUGE FAN. Prince liked her because she hung on his every word.

Larry's friendship was conditional. It was based on Prince accepting and pushing his religion.

That does not mean the new 'friends' who Prince spoke to in the last few years did not live him, but they did not challange him.

If Sheila E was around and knew he was taking painkillers, she would have told him straight. Same with Wendy and Lisa.

This is more or less my thoughts. Unfortunatelty.
I have as much contempt for larry as many of you seem to. It started when i saw the rave concert and continues to this day when i see the pic of him and shiela, to me there is guilt on him. Regrdless of the final outcome of the investigation. Took advantage of a man struggling and blinded him with faith and BS until he brain washed him into his cult. Cut him off from the people that really cared for him. Just like religious extremists do. I know a lot are religious hear and i am not bashing faith in god, i am bashing the way some people use it to control and manipulate. Even if the rumours that are flying around are not true in any way. I will never like Larry, and always hold him as the figure head of the decline in freedom, I and many fans see that happened to prince.

I have my own narative to what may of happened. I really hope it's not because it paints a very sad and lonely last few years, for a man who deserved more in return for what he gave.

I maybe rambilng, i am angry again. I am going out side to see the sunshine and remeber the world is stil beautiful.

keenly said:

NME01 said:

I too, am pissed with the inner circle. Accidents happen, but this does feel easily preventable. Hate to think that some of these people will now be carving up the estate, especially as none have given him much support or sound advice for years. Bring back Alan Leeds to manage his estate and legacy, and the rest can piss off and live off their annecdotes. Sorry, just feels like Prince's had way too many useless people around him that were along for the ride.

The truth is all of Prince's so called friends that are speaking now are YES MEN.

Sheila E fell out with him because she is NOT a subservient Yes man/woman.

Same with Andre and Wendy/Lisa.

Van Jones and Tamron may have spoke to him for hours on the phone buy they are YES men. They suck up to Prince.

Real friends tell you if you are an idiot, being mean, being selfish, to get a grip. Prince HAD that with Sheila and others. He pushed them away and replaced that with peple who suck his balls. Tamron as a HUGE FAN. Prince liked her because she hung on his every word.

Larry's friendship was conditional. It was based on Prince accepting and pushing his religion.

That does not mean the new 'friends' who Prince spoke to in the last few years did not live him, but they did not challange him.

If Sheila E was around and knew he was taking painkillers, she would have told him straight. Same with Wendy and Lisa.

keenly said:

NME01 said:

I too, am pissed with the inner circle. Accidents happen, but this does feel easily preventable. Hate to think that some of these people will now be carving up the estate, especially as none have given him much support or sound advice for years. Bring back Alan Leeds to manage his estate and legacy, and the rest can piss off and live off their annecdotes. Sorry, just feels like Prince's had way too many useless people around him that were along for the ride.

The truth is all of Prince's so called friends that are speaking now are YES MEN.

Sheila E fell out with him because she is NOT a subservient Yes man/woman.

Same with Andre and Wendy/Lisa.

Van Jones and Tamron may have spoke to him for hours on the phone buy they are YES men. They suck up to Prince.

Real friends tell you if you are an idiot, being mean, being selfish, to get a grip. Prince HAD that with Sheila and others. He pushed them away and replaced that with peple who suck his balls. Tamron as a HUGE FAN. Prince liked her because she hung on his every word.

Larry's friendship was conditional. It was based on Prince accepting and pushing his religion.

That does not mean the new 'friends' who Prince spoke to in the last few years did not live him, but they did not challange him.

If Sheila E was around and knew he was taking painkillers, she would have told him straight. Same with Wendy and Lisa.

Unfortunately all of the biggest stars seem to go down this path. Let's face it, Madonna is surrounded by YES people. If they say NO, she sacks them. If Dr Conrad Murray had steadfastly refused to give Michael Jackson his propofol, MJ would have cast him aside and found another doctor who was willing to do it. End result would be, MJ would probably still be dead today had Dr Conrad Murray not entered into his life. When you become this big of a star you can get what you want, when you want it. Sadly, they all get very used to this and sometimes, it ultimately ends in disaster.

DFUNK said:

keenly said:

The truth is all of Prince's so called friends that are speaking now are YES MEN.

Sheila E fell out with him because she is NOT a subservient Yes man/woman.

Same with Andre and Wendy/Lisa.

Van Jones and Tamron may have spoke to him for hours on the phone buy they are YES men. They suck up to Prince.

Real friends tell you if you are an idiot, being mean, being selfish, to get a grip. Prince HAD that with Sheila and others. He pushed them away and replaced that with peple who suck his balls. Tamron as a HUGE FAN. Prince liked her because she hung on his every word.

Larry's friendship was conditional. It was based on Prince accepting and pushing his religion.

That does not mean the new 'friends' who Prince spoke to in the last few years did not live him, but they did not challange him.

If Sheila E was around and knew he was taking painkillers, she would have told him straight. Same with Wendy and Lisa.

Unfortunately all of the biggest stars seem to go down this path. Let's face it, Madonna is surrounded by YES people. If they say NO, she sacks them. If Dr Conrad Murray had steadfastly refused to give Michael Jackson his propofol, MJ would have cast him aside and found another doctor who was willing to do it. End result would be, MJ would probably still be dead today had Dr Conrad Murray not entered into his life. When you become this big of a star you can get what you want, when you want it. Sadly, they all get very used to this and sometimes, it ultimately ends in disaster.

I agree with you 100%.

keenly said:

NME01 said:

I too, am pissed with the inner circle. Accidents happen, but this does feel easily preventable. Hate to think that some of these people will now be carving up the estate, especially as none have given him much support or sound advice for years. Bring back Alan Leeds to manage his estate and legacy, and the rest can piss off and live off their annecdotes. Sorry, just feels like Prince's had way too many useless people around him that were along for the ride.

The truth is all of Prince's so called friends that are speaking now are YES MEN.

Sheila E fell out with him because she is NOT a subservient Yes man/woman.

Same with Andre and Wendy/Lisa.

Van Jones and Tamron may have spoke to him for hours on the phone buy they are YES men. They suck up to Prince.

Real friends tell you if you are an idiot, being mean, being selfish, to get a grip. Prince HAD that with Sheila and others. He pushed them away and replaced that with peple who suck his balls. Tamron as a HUGE FAN. Prince liked her because she hung on his every word.

Larry's friendship was conditional. It was based on Prince accepting and pushing his religion.

That does not mean the new 'friends' who Prince spoke to in the last few years did not live him, but they did not challange him.

If Sheila E was around and knew he was taking painkillers, she would have told him straight. Same with Wendy and Lisa.

We should try not to judge as NONE of us knew the real relationship Prince had with his friends.


NONE of us was close to Prince, not one of us knew him personally or was someone he considered a friend. We dont know who was cool or who is fake etc.. Our biased comments are worthless and its probably a good idea to remember things appear very different from the outside looking in.

Pentacle said:

See who were at his funeral: a few women half his age. You really think there were his best friends? Sadly, it seems he had no real frirnds except for Kirk.

I think timing and chaos is the reason other are not there as they would have liked.

I mean I would have sent an invite to many of the band members, especially the ones who lived in St Paul or Minneapolis like Dr Fink Bobby Z Mark Brow(Mark)

not trying to be snide but Demaris but no Lisa?

Sheila E was there Larry Graham was there

GoldiesParade said:

Pentacle said:

You think his friends put him to bed every night or something?

And he's dressed by the maids when he gets out of bed?

OD - it's still only rumors, so quit all the conjecturing.

But when Prince says no, he means no. and no staff member could argue with that. Remember also he was not bed ridden, he was telling everyone he was fine. He walked himself into the elevator. Not even P knew he was at death's door.

That underlined thing is what disturbs me the most about his passing, because it says something about all of us. You just never know when.

i love how you people can bitch about everything as if you know every personal detail of him. he shouldnt have been alone in the elevator? come the fuck on people. are you telling me all of you have people next to you every second of every day? even just going from one room to another? get off your high fuckin horses and grwo the fuck up.

tollyc said:

Agree with you. He had a major OD 6 days earlier on a the plane.

Physically he should NOT have been left alone as his body was struggling.

Where was the family?

Where was the friends?

Where was the staff?

It was him in an elevator with 2 doves floating around Paisley.

he missed the blatant sign from God...OD'd on the 15th....didnt do all he could to save himself

keenly said:

GirlBrother said:

Astasheiks said: Interview with her, about the book, here: http://blogcritics.org/in...rmerly-of/ It seems that Larry left Sly because of Sly's drug use, and then Larry became an abusive addict himself. He became JW, and changed Graham Central Station into a religious group, so Patryce left. They later reunited, but Larry made all the money, while the rest of the band were on salaries. I fucking hate him.

Larry loves God so much yet worships money. Fraud.

If you love God, you recogine we are all EQUAL and Gods children, thus you want EVERYBODY else to do well and get paid what they deserve.

.

so its wrong for larry to have a business and pay people to work for him? thats what a band is, a business.

.

you people are all a special kind of piece of shit.

DFUNK said:

Genesia said:

So if he'd never met Larry, he'd still be alive? I'm sorry, but that's just crazy.

Don't rule it out. Just saying. Don't rule it out.

.

and i'll be sure to not rule out that youre a moron and an asshole.

TrevorAyer said:

I blame the doctors and societies love of a man who works himself to death One thing that is very hard for a workaholic like prince is to slow down Doctors push pills and say u are fine go do what you always do BUT they are all liars and idiots Pain pills stop pain signals to your brain for about 2 hours ... They are basically heroin What people like prince are never told is that pain is your body telling you to stop doing something that is hurting your body Cut your finger your body responds with pain So u numb the pain and go about your business but you feel nothing when you sit wrong move wrong lift the wrong heavy objects etc.. Well if u do all that u have just harmed your body by not feeling your actions So the pills wear off and guess what!?!? The pain is now worse than ever My mother has bad knees and cant walk too good but loves riding her bike So prince pain problems are real .. I have a bad back ... If i sit wrong or move wrong my back flairs up for days ... I found when i took pills it was worse ... I never knew when i moved wrong until the pill wore off and then boy oh boy did i know Many people just take more pills ... Look at hulk hogan ... Multiple back surgeries (like12). Take 20-30 pain pills a day because like all drugs , they are less and less effective the more you take I have no doubt prince OD'd ... His hips and knees are shot ... Some dipshit doctor convinced him to take pills .. And prince just cant slow down I doubt the press will allow a pain pill od to be the official diagnosis too much bad press for the medical murder industry ... As someone who used pain pills for three years its obvious what happened He took pain pills .. Did his shows ... Hurt worse once pills wore off ... Took more pills ... Od'd That does not make prince a drug addict ... He is another of millions of victims of big pharma and their idiot pushers you all call doctors

Most of what you wrote sounds very plausible and rational but I disagree about the bolded part. Most newspapers ARE saying that he took too many painkillers, don´t they?