OldFriends4Sale said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

databank said:

Any contemporary reviews of her first album? Or interviews from back then?

(I know this is 83-85 but still... ^^)

lol I'm definately going to do an Jill Jones album era 1987 thread

scorp84 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I mean, Sheila E has those. I want Sheila E to be in the camp at the time...

Are there other songs that could have been included?

for me Mia Bocca (the sound is so perfectly Parade era) I wonder what the previous version sounds like...

She should have had a 1984 album and a 1986 album definately

I only chose those cuts because (in a way) they were Jill's first, being that her guide vocals were kept in as an extra layer to Sheila's vocals. I don't doubt that P and Sheila could create even stronger material had things gone differently.

Actually I believe they belonged to Vanity 6/Apollonia 6 and then Prince pulled them when (either Vanity left)or he realized Apollonia either couldn't carry them or wasn't fully committed to the group for the long haul.

Jill sang on a lot of tracks from Prince's to the Time the Family etc

I think even though Sheila was a good percussionist, she was new to the 'frontman' scene, she was just getting her feet wet -so to speak

Sheila did good on the ballads, but Jill would have had a stronger voice on those yes. I believe it is Susannah Melvoin that worked with Brenda originally on Next Time Wipe The Lipstick Off Your Collar

It definately would be cool to hear Jill lead those songs, how they would have played out.

(30) INT. CLUB (1ST AVE. ST. BAR) -- NIGHT

MUSIC. The CLUB is PACKED! THE MODERN
AIRES is onstage, a hi-techno funk
group, performing their trademark, a
frenzied song entitled "Modern Aire"
The floor is dense with KIDS, all
performing the same syncopated dance.

PRINCE moves through the club slowly,
seems to be searching someone out. His
face is drawn and haggard, his spirits
strained. He cuts past the BAR, barely
acknowledges Jill, or the other
WAITRESSES by her side, KIM and KATY.
Jill looks concerned--

I Want 2 Be A Modernaire
Modernaire, Modernaire

I Want 2 Be A Modernaire
Modernaire, Modernaire

Pessimistic Attitudes
Never Will I Wear

I Want 2 Be A Modernaire
Modernaire, Modernaire

I Want 2 Be
I Want 2 Be
A Modernaire ....

KIM
Honey, you still chasing after
that fool?

Kim is 21 years and gorgeous, with dark
eyes, a smooth sculpted face, and taut
shapely legs. She is street-educated
and doesn't need encouraging to speak
her mind. Katy is also in her-early
20's, a tall, alluring Oriental, with an
attractive, intelligent face--

JILL
I'm doing what I'm doing.
It's my business.

KATY
He doesn't even look at you.
That's the last thing you want
from a man.

JILL
You just don't know him like I
do.

KIM
Honey... Look, Listen, and
then Feel. If you do them in
any other order, you're headed
for trouble.

Matt and Bobby (members of Prince's
group) stroll up--

Want 2 Be A Modernaire
Modernaire, Modernaire

I Want 2 Swim ( in the ) Water !!
I Want 2 Breathe .. Modernaire
I Want 2 Surface A New Human Being
Breath of Cold Despair .....

I Want 2 Be A Modernaire
Modernaire, Modernaire

I Want 2 Be
I Want 2 Be
A Modernaire .....


BOBBY
Hey, Jill -- where's our
drinks?

JILL
They're coming -- just wait.

Matt stares hungrily at her breasts--

JILL
What you want isn't on the
menu.

BOBBY
Jill, in ten years they'll be
on the table.

She swats him with her order pad --
Bobby ducks, taunts her--

BOBBY
C'mon, c'mon ...

She goes to swing, Matt moves in,
squeezes her breasts--

MATT
(horn sound)
BooPoo!!

KIM
Get out of here, you jerks!

MATT
Sweetheart ... do you have a
real hot place where I could
stick my nose?

KIM
Sure -- try a microwave.


The Guys bust up, head for their tables-

Plastic Bags in LA
Tried 2 Take My Girl Away
If She Really Wanted My Love
I Guess She Would Have Stayed

I'm Sick of Pretty Liars
With Their Cool Cut Hair
I Rather Have A Dirty Long Hair(ed)Lover
When I Need Her .. She's There
I Want 2 Be A Modernaire
Modernaire ....
Modernaire ....

-

KATY
Those guys are deep.

KIM
Yeah -- deeply retarded.

I just read the 'Purple Rain' book by Alan Light, and there are a lot of interesting comments by Jill Jones (whom Light obviously talked to). She's very removed from music/Prince circles these days, and seems rather open about things. My general impression of the situation back then is that she was Prince's main squeeze circa early/mid-1983, when the 'Purple Rain' movie/project was just getting off the ground. But then Wendy, followed by Susannah Melvoin, entered the scene -- not to mention Appollonia in the movie -- and Jill kind of got pushed back (as did her planned album, and many of her scenes in the movie).

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Based on nothing in particular, my educated guess is that after mid-1986, when Prince dumped Susannah and Wendy & Lisa, Jill kind of saw her opportunity to get back in Prince's graces, and she probably gave him an ultimatum about finally getting her album done. So they went away for a week or two and knocked it out, but I doubt that Prince's heart was really in it at that point. Once it flopped, she started to drift away from the Prince scene.

ThePanther said:

I just read the 'Purple Rain' book by Alan Light, and there are a lot of interesting comments by Jill Jones (whom Light obviously talked to). She's very removed from music/Prince circles these days, and seems rather open about things. My general impression of the situation back then is that she was Prince's main squeeze circa early/mid-1983, when the 'Purple Rain' movie/project was just getting off the ground. But then Wendy, followed by Susannah Melvoin, entered the scene -- not to mention Appollonia in the movie -- and Jill kind of got pushed back (as did her planned album, and many of her scenes in the movie).

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Based on nothing in particular, my educated guess is that after mid-1986, when Prince dumped Susannah and Wendy & Lisa, Jill kind of saw her opportunity to get back in Prince's graces, and she probably gave him an ultimatum about finally getting her album done. So they went away for a week or two and knocked it out, but I doubt that Prince's heart was really in it at that point. Once it flopped, she started to drift away from the Prince scene.

http://beautifulnightschi...lks-2.html

Jill Jones:

My first album was a very long pregnancy, good God, it took so long get out. It was a really ace album, but, the timing was way off. I don't think everyone was ready for it. Radio wasn't looking for it. There's a rap convention in Atlanta that I went to and people came up to me saying “you're Black? I didn't know you were Black! I would've played your record.” I just came back to Prince, like, “should I just get a tan?” White people somehow knew I was Black and they said “I'm not playing that house Negro on the radio.”

Very interesting Her debut album in 1987 was dead on arrival.I never even heard "Mia Bocca" on the radio at all.But,this would not happened if the album had been released in late '84 or early '85.Prince waited too long.

OldFriends4Sale said:

http://beautifulnightschi...lks-2.html

Jill Jones:

My first album was a very long pregnancy, good God, it took so long get out. It was a really ace album, but, the timing was way off. I don't think everyone was ready for it. Radio wasn't looking for it. There's a rap convention in Atlanta that I went to and people came up to me saying “you're Black? I didn't know you were Black! I would've played your record.” I just came back to Prince, like, “should I just get a tan?” White people somehow knew I was Black and they said “I'm not playing that house Negro on the radio.”

The album was dead in the water. Then, I went to a function and I think I was crying. A Warner Brothers executive (Rob Dickens, CEO of Warner Brothers UK) saw me and he put money into the project to do promotion in Europe. We made the (music) video (for the single "Mia Bocca")...They (Europeans) always liked Josephine Baker, that whole thing always worked. I was discriminated against in my own country. I opened for Jody Watley in LA and, seriously, the crowd just stood there whole time with their arms crossed. I was angry dancing. I was singing “G-Spot” and I was like “I'm not going to shake my ass.” I know (on past tours) I would go out in my bra and panties, but, then I put on my trench coat and I'd leave. I just threw the mike down and walked off the stage. Prince came to me and said “is that it, are you done?” Maybe he created the diva in me.
I think the album was a very intellectual album. We made a decision to take a lot of the poppy songs off. Once Clare Fisher puts the strings on it... I wanted to leave them on... That's where I sealed my fate to never have a hit record...(Prince) could have given me "The Glamorous Life". Sheila E. would come to the studio to play basketball and I did not know that the child was going in (to the studio) late at night and singing the songs...

Yes, not 'bashing' Prince at all, but it is stuff like this that show the bad side of his management.
Almost a waste of money to do things that way. Especially in that the Jill Jones era was nothing in common with the Sign o the Times era or the camp outside of her being in the Hard Knock Life film by Prince.

The camp Jill came into was basically gone by the end of her album period and 1990 the Purple scene was no more.
Seems Prince was on a mission to rid himself of all emotional/musical connections by 1990
Dr Fink was out Miko was out Jill Jones was out Alan Leeds was out -1990
Sheila E was out Eric Leeds was out Atlanta Bliss was out Cat was out -1989
Susan Rogers was out -1987

SoulAlive said:

Very interesting Her debut album in 1987 was dead on arrival.I never even heard "Mia Bocca" on the radio at all.But,this would not happened if the album had been released in late '84 or early '85.Prince waited too long.

OldFriends4Sale said:

http://beautifulnightschi...lks-2.html

Jill Jones:

My first album was a very long pregnancy, good God, it took so long get out. It was a really ace album, but, the timing was way off. I don't think everyone was ready for it. Radio wasn't looking for it. There's a rap convention in Atlanta that I went to and people came up to me saying “you're Black? I didn't know you were Black! I would've played your record.” I just came back to Prince, like, “should I just get a tan?” White people somehow knew I was Black and they said “I'm not playing that house Negro on the radio.”

The album was dead in the water. Then, I went to a function and I think I was crying. A Warner Brothers executive (Rob Dickens, CEO of Warner Brothers UK) saw me and he put money into the project to do promotion in Europe. We made the (music) video (for the single "Mia Bocca")...They (Europeans) always liked Josephine Baker, that whole thing always worked. I was discriminated against in my own country. I opened for Jody Watley in LA and, seriously, the crowd just stood there whole time with their arms crossed. I was angry dancing. I was singing “G-Spot” and I was like “I'm not going to shake my ass.” I know (on past tours) I would go out in my bra and panties, but, then I put on my trench coat and I'd leave. I just threw the mike down and walked off the stage. Prince came to me and said “is that it, are you done?” Maybe he created the diva in me.
I think the album was a very intellectual album. We made a decision to take a lot of the poppy songs off. Once Clare Fisher puts the strings on it... I wanted to leave them on... That's where I sealed my fate to never have a hit record...(Prince) could have given me "The Glamorous Life". Sheila E. would come to the studio to play basketball and I did not know that the child was going in (to the studio) late at night and singing the songs...

OldFriends4Sale said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Jill Jones on the unfinished second Paisley Park album: We (Jones and Prince) were kind of were at two different roads. The song (“Boom Boom”) was from 1982 and it seemed forced. He kept remixing it. I went to do the video, but, it was late, it was too late. And I just ended up going back to New York, got married and waited until my contract expired. During this time he called me-- and I was at a friend's house-- and said, "you don't have any charisma, you should dye your hair black and you need to get breast implants like Brigitte Nielsen." I was furious... Dickens (CEO of Warner Brothers UK) was instrumental at one point with Roger Davies, my manager, when we were trying to complete my second album alone. Without Prince. But, Prince rejected every attempt we tried.

SoulAlive said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Jill Jones on the unfinished second Paisley Park album: We (Jones and Prince) were kind of were at two different roads. The song (“Boom Boom”) was from 1982 and it seemed forced. He kept remixing it. I went to do the video, but, it was late, it was too late. And I just ended up going back to New York, got married and waited until my contract expired. During this time he called me-- and I was at a friend's house-- and said, "you don't have any charisma, you should dye your hair black and you need to get breast implants like Brigitte Nielsen." I was furious... Dickens (CEO of Warner Brothers UK) was instrumental at one point with Roger Davies, my manager, when we were trying to complete my second album alone. Without Prince. But, Prince rejected every attempt we tried.

Is that a 'recent' thought of Prince by 1987-89?

Or is this how he felt even in 1983 - 86? which might answer why we didn't get a Jill album?

Maybe like he told Jesse Johnson, some people were meant to be frontmen others not...

OldFriends4Sale said:

SoulAlive said:

Is that a 'recent' thought of Prince by 1987-89?

Or is this how he felt even in 1983 - 86? which might answer why we didn't get a Jill album?

Maybe like he told Jesse Johnson, some people were meant to be frontmen others not...

Jill's comments indicate that,with some of these proteges,Prince seemed to be overly concerned with "image" and appearance.Perahps he wanted to turn Jill Jones into yet another sexpot singer but she wanted to be more than that

on Sheila E's 1990 song "Sex Cymbal",she sings I know you like 'em cute and simple with no frame of mind maybe she was feeling the same way as Jill?

SoulAlive said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Is that a 'recent' thought of Prince by 1987-89?

Or is this how he felt even in 1983 - 86? which might answer why we didn't get a Jill album?

Maybe like he told Jesse Johnson, some people were meant to be frontmen others not...

Jill's comments indicate that,with some of these proteges,Prince seemed to be overly concerned with "image" and appearance.Perahps he wanted to turn Jill Jones into yet another sexpot singer but she wanted to be more than that

Yeah, Well I understand the importance of image along with the music. That is a huge reason why Prince has such a cult following. I mean he made sure it was tied wih the Time, the Family, Madhouse, Mazarati too(I never got the Mazarati image though)

It seems in looking at her characte in Purple Rain and a lot of her 1984/85 (outtakes) that she was the woman of unrequited love, the other woman, the woman that 'only had 1 lover since...'

I think if he allowed about a 3 cut JJ piece during Purple Rain, he could have felt things out with her for a clear cut direction for her full album which should have happened in 1985/86

SoulAlive said:

on Sheila E's 1990 song "Sex Cymbal",she sings I know you like 'em cute and simple with no frame of mind maybe she was feeling the same way as Jill?

Possibly, but she played that image up though lol

I think her first 3 album had a lot to work with very Romantic images and visions.
But that 4th album just looking at the title to the songs seemed like it was going the Sexpot direction

What is Jills date of birth? She is supposed 2 b 18 in Purple Rain but looks much older than that. Also what is Susans & Brendas date of birth? I don't think her acting is atrocious (delirious26). In Purple Rain Jill is endearing and sweet and I would have liked 2 have seen her role expanded.

jungleluv said:

What is Jills date of birth? She is supposed 2 b 18 in Purple Rain but looks much older than that. Also what is Susans & Brendas date of birth? I don't think her acting is atrocious (delirious26). In Purple Rain Jill is endearing and sweet and I would have liked 2 have seen her role expanded.

She was born in 1962 so she was 22 in 1984

OldFriends4Sale said:

She was born in 1962 so she was 22 in 1984

Well, if Wiki is correct, she was born July 1962, so she'd have been 21 in Purple Rain. (Not sure I trust Wiki on that, however.)

ThePanther said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well, if Wiki is correct, she was born July 1962, so she'd have been 21 in Purple Rain. (Not sure I trust Wiki on that, however.)

I mean the movie was filmed in 1984, so if she was born in 1962 she was 22

she was born on July 11th from her FB page

PrinceVault has: Jill Jones Born: 11 July 1962, Lebanon, Ohio, USA

(82) INT. CLUB -- NIGHT

Wendy?

Yes Lisa

Is the water warm enough?

Yes Lisa

Shall we begin?

Yes Lisa

Ow!

Where is my love life?
Where can it be?
There must be something wrong with the machinery
Where is my love life?
Tell me, where has it gone?
Somebody please, please tell me what the hell is wrong

Till I find the righteous one
Computer blue
Till I find the righteous one
Computer blue

The CLUB is THROBBING. Prince is
onstage, stripped to the waist, SWEAT
seeping from his pores in torrents.
He's deep into the pit of "Computer
Blue, " locked into a provocative,
obscene graphic with Wendy. She's on her
knees in front of him, his crotch moving
directly in front of her lips. She's
made up fiercely, looks like Prince
himself. The total effect is unnerving
-- Prince is going down on himself.

Billy Sparks stands by the bar pretty
upset. Jill stands slack-jawed. The
KIDS have stopped dancing, drinking --
they staring at the display,.shaking
their heads confused...

...and we suddenly recognize the MUSIC
as his Father's -- the song he played on
the piano the night before. But it's
Prince's now, stamped with his own
signature. He's bent at the waist, his
back to the audience, alone with his
father's, and his, pain.

The CROWD fidgets...Billy Sparks fastens
his eyes on Prince angrily.

OldFriends4Sale said:

ThePanther said:

Well, if Wiki is correct, she was born July 1962, so she'd have been 21 in Purple Rain. (Not sure I trust Wiki on that, however.)

I mean the movie was filmed in 1984, so if she was born in 1962 she was 22

The movie was filmed in 1983. Filming ended around Dec. 27th, 1983. About 8 or 9 months later, Jill turned 22.

.

Not that it matters, but just sayin'....

Prince was horrible to Jill.

Directed By

• Albert Magnoli

They're exaggerations or minimizations developed to fit a story that never happened, yet, in a strange way, a story that is their reality.

To me, Prince & the Times entire thing is visual. The microcosm they've developed 4 themselves was a movie begging to be made."

There's music... that means there's night, there's bars, there are alley's. All of a sudden, a story begins to emerge.

Albert Magnoli

Actors

• Prince (The Kid)
• Apollonia Kotero (Apollonia)
• Morris Day (Morris)
• Olga Karlatos (Mother)
• Clarence Williams III (Father)
• Jerome Benton (Jerome)
• Billy Sparks (Billy)
• Jill Jones (Jill)
• Charles Huntsberry (Chick)
• Dez Dickerson (Dez)
• Brenda Bennett (Brenda A6)
• Susan Moonsie (Susan (as Susan A6))
• Sandra Claire Gershman (Beautiful Babe)
• Kim Upsher (Kim/Waitress)
• Alan Leeds (Stage Hand)
• Israel Gordon (Taste M.C.)
• Gil Jacobson (Cop in Basement)
• Joseph A. Ferraro (First Avenue M.C.)
• James French (Cabbie)

(107) INT. DRESSING ROOM/BACKSTAGE -- NIGHT

as Prince and his Band sit in grave
silence, the exuberant SOUNDS of the
CLUB filtering through the open door.
Jill is also in the room, sitting on a
table, holding the dog silently in her
lap. She casts sidelong looks to
Prince, tears welling in her eyes.

The Band Members fidget nervously,
knowing full well that their jobs are on
the line, and feeling awful about the
personal tragedy that has befallen
Prince. The entire situation is very
tense, and it's made worse every time
the crowd lets out a delighted ROAR of
approval. But Prince sits placidly, his
face an enigma, his feelings a mystery.

(110) INT. DRESSING ROOM -- NIGHT

As Prince, Jill and the Band sit in dead
silence listening to The Time's bluster
off screen. Suddenly The Time crosses
the doorway -- Morris does a double-
take, sticks his head into the room--

MC
(over)
Ladies and gentlemen,
please welcome Prince!

Applause offscreen. Prince stands
abruptly, straps on his guitar. His
Band Members look at him closely, trying
to discern his feelings. He gives them
a cursory glance, cuts out the door.

(112) INT. HALLWAY -- NIGHT

Prince cuts from the stage in a frenzy,
rushes toward the rear exit. The
APPLAUSE is building and building until
it's a THUNDER, an onrushing ROAR, an
avalanche of HYSTERIA that rocks the
club mightily...

PRINCE
is still running though, his face
streaming with tears, past the surprised
look of Jill, past the FANS, past
everyone -- stripping of his clothes
fiercely, flinging off his jacket, his
shirt, his scarf--

(113) EXT. BACK ENTRANCE, INT. HALLWAY -- CLUB -- NIGHT

He SMASHES open the door, BURSTS
outside. He sucks in the night air as
if he was drowning. He wipes away his
tears, rushes to his bike, starts to
undo the chain...

...they're SHOUTING his NAME...

Not randomly, not haphazardly, but...in
unison. And relentless, very demanding,
downright urgent, and...it's beautiful.

A wry smile crosses his lips. He heads
back to the door. Jill is there,
scared, her face a map of tears. He
flashes her a smile--

PRINCE
Hi.

She's thunderstruck, can barely squeak
it out--

JILL
Hi.

And he whips into the hallway. Her face
dissolves into a smile of pure joy.