TrevorAyer said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

first said in the first Minneapolis Piano & Microphone Gala show that Lisa created it. But clarified in the second show that she "contributed a tiny chorus part of Raspberry Beret' that he wrote".

Why do U always try to undermine EVERYTHING does? What kind of Moderator are U?

Btw Lisa is my all time favorite keyboard & background vocal contributor..Her chords are intoxicating..Eye love Lisa. But tired of the Wendy & Lisa really created this song BS.

They didn't HE did....

By your own purple flavoured logic prince wrote "a case of u"

Of course he wrote it. He left verses out thereby making a true MASTERPIECE in ways that Joni couldn't even imagine. He made is so perfect by leaving things out that he should get songwriting credit. Sometimes I think KCOOLMUZIQ is secretly internet super-troll Ken M.

OldFriends4Sale said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

first said in the first Minneapolis Piano & Microphone Gala show that Lisa created it. But clarified in the second show that she "contributed a tiny chorus part of Raspberry Beret' that he wrote".

Why do U always try to undermine EVERYTHING does? What kind of Moderator are U?

Btw Lisa is my all time favorite keyboard & background vocal contributor..Her chords are intoxicating..Eye love Lisa. But tired of the Wendy & Lisa really created this song BS.

They didn't HE did....

lol that sound foolish of you. I always try to undermine EVERYTHING Prince does? Prove that please.
I might disagree with ALOT of what YOU do, you don't represent Prince

I'm a wonderful Moderate Moderator

You're too wet for Prince man

Now you know he's a man, describing him as "too wet" is not very moderator-ish.

Besides, you're kinda inconditional about Wendy and Lisa, that makes you biased lol.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Dude, lol

Were you expecting him to do a run down of every song, that she worked with him on? And every detail?
Even Morris and Lisa say they both did a lot of work with Prince that became the protege music or some of his music.


What Prince said about Raspberry Beret, he was just giving a tidbit, she was obviously with him in the creation of the song, he did not go from beginning to ending of how the song was fully done, nor who all did what.

Prince from the time he had Lisa in the band had her work a lot with him.

Lisa was never an explosive keyboard player, but she was a master of color in her harmonies; I could sing off of what she had with straight soul.

I remember when Miles Davis came to my house. As he was passing by my piano, he stopped and put his hands down on the keys and played these eight chords, one after the other. It was so beautiful; he sounded like Bill Evans or Lisa [Coleman], who also had this way of playing chords that were so perfect.

-Prince 1997

first said in the first Minneapolis Piano & Microphone Gala show that Lisa created it. But clarified in the second show that she "contributed a tiny chorus part of Raspberry Beret' that he wrote".

Why do U always try to undermine EVERYTHING does? What kind of Moderator are U?

Btw Lisa is my all time favorite keyboard & background vocal contributor..Her chords are intoxicating..Eye love Lisa. But tired of the Wendy & Lisa really created this song BS.

They didn't HE did....

It's quite clear that Sometimes it Snows was a collaboration between the three of them. Without any one of them it wouldn't be what it was.

Dez has a story of being on the bus when prince wrote Raspberry Beret so clearly a version of it had been knocking about for a while.

I don't think it's too hard to believe that these people contributed loads but ultimately it was Prince's vision. And I don't think anyone in this thread is saying much different.

Aerogram said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

lol that sound foolish of you. I always try to undermine EVERYTHING Prince does? Prove that please.
I might disagree with ALOT of what YOU do, you don't represent Prince

I'm a wonderful Moderate Moderator

You're too wet for Prince man

Now you know he's a man, describing him as "too wet" is not very moderator-ish.

Besides, you're kinda inconditional about Wendy and Lisa, that makes you biased lol.

And actually I don't know. I don't know if you are or not. There are a lot of members I don't really know. Some didn't know if I was or not.

too wet is like, stop salivating over him so much

And men get wet too, might be a bit sticky, but still wet

In the bible of Moderation:
Thou Shalt Not Say, Too Wet

lol and he might be too inconditional about Prince
Actually just the information applied tells enough, I don't have to like Wendy or Lisa for that too be
His extreme exaggeration

Which is a big lie.
KCOOLMUZIQ said: Why do U always try to undermine EVERYTHING __ does?

Serioiusly??? " />

how is it legal to sell these recordings?

purplepolitician said:

Was it still about Tracy?

June 7. 1985
Prom Center St Paul MN
27th Birthday Concert

Jesse died soon after a long fought civil war

soon after I wiped his last tear

.

Sometims it snows in April

Sometimes I feel so bad

Sometimes I wish that life was never ending

And all good things they say never last

.

sing the chorus again

.

Sometims it snows in April

Sometimes I feel so bad

Sometimes I wish that life was never ending

And all good things they say never last

.

Bobby Z, U in the house?

BrownMark, U here?

chorus

Sometims it snows in April

Sometimes I feel so bad

Sometimes I wish that life was never ending

And all good things they say never last

And all good things they say never last

Aerogram said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

lol that sound foolish of you. I always try to undermine EVERYTHING Prince does? Prove that please.
I might disagree with ALOT of what YOU do, you don't represent Prince

I'm a wonderful Moderate Moderator

You're too wet for Prince man

Now you know he's a man, describing him as "too wet" is not very moderator-ish.

Besides, you're kinda inconditional about Wendy and Lisa, that makes you biased lol.

He'll always find a way to clean up what he really meant....

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplepolitician said:

Was it still about Tracy?

June 7. 1985
Prom Center St Paul MN
27th Birthday Concert

Jesse died soon after a long fought civil war

soon after I wiped his last tear

.

Sometims it snows in April

Sometimes I feel so bad

Sometimes I wish that life was never ending

And all good things they say never last

.

sing the chorus again

.

Sometims it snows in April

Sometimes I feel so bad

Sometimes I wish that life was never ending

And all good things they say never last

.

Bobby Z, U in the house?

BrownMark, U here?

chorus

Sometims it snows in April

Sometimes I feel so bad

Sometimes I wish that life was never ending

And all good things they say never last

And all good things they say never last

Is there a recording of this?

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Aerogram said:

Now you know he's a man, describing him as "too wet" is not very moderator-ish.

Besides, you're kinda inconditional about Wendy and Lisa, that makes you biased lol.

He'll always find a way to clean up what he really meant....

what is with you and the ALWAYS

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

June 7. 1985
Prom Center St Paul MN
27th Birthday Concert

Jesse died soon after a long fought civil war

soon after I wiped his last tear

.

Sometims it snows in April

Sometimes I feel so bad

Sometimes I wish that life was never ending

And all good things they say never last

.

sing the chorus again

.

Sometims it snows in April

Sometimes I feel so bad

Sometimes I wish that life was never ending

And all good things they say never last

.

Bobby Z, U in the house?

BrownMark, U here?

chorus

Sometims it snows in April

Sometimes I feel so bad

Sometimes I wish that life was never ending

And all good things they say never last

And all good things they say never last

Is there a recording of this?

Yes sir

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

June 7. 1985
Prom Center"St Poul
27th Birthday Concert

Is there a recording of this?

Yes

langebleu said:

paulludvig said:

Is there a recording of this?

Yes

Interesting version with full band! What is Prince saying at the beginning about who wrote it followed by "but I'm cool?

paulludvig said:

langebleu said:

Yes

Interesting version with full band! What is Prince saying at the beginning about who wrote it followed by "but I'm cool?

I believe he is talking to Jerome

"...But I'm cool!!!" -Jerome

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

Interesting version with full band! What is Prince saying at the beginning about who wrote it followed by "but I'm cool?

I believe he is talking to Jerome

"...But I'm cool!!!" -Jerome

Ok. Didn't know Jerome was such a good songwriter. (Just joking. )

Prince is a funny guy

luvsexy4all said:

how is it legal to sell these recordings?

.

Why wouldn't it be? Chances are Dez got it as a gift, so it's his call.

Why isn't this a sticky? Why isn't this on the front page instead of stale news about concerts that happened days/weeks ago?

OldFriends4Sale said:

People should understand...

When songwriting with someone better than you (especially if they tend to control things musically), then even if you think of a basic idea... it's completely dependant on Prince to turn it into something special. Give him 3 notes and he'll make it sound beautiful, because he'll choose the right accompanying parts, the right phrasing, tweak it slightly, tell you where he feels the song needs to go, and then you can go around saying "I write this song!" all you want but without Prince's input (and filtering out of your other ideas) it simply wouldn't be anything at all. I've experienced this myself to some degree, so I have a giggle at the naivity of some songwriting discussions in the topic of giving credit. Give Prince 4 chords and 40 minutes later he'll walk out of the studio with a good song that "you" wrote. Even if you ask a professional lyricist to rhyme 'chance' with 'dance', they'll find a way to make it special for you if they're talented enough. I'd describe collaboration with Prince as collaboring with someone talented enough to turn any basic idea into gold... unfortunately, ego and ignorance are bound to incite disagreement over credit.

GoldStandard said:

People should understand...

When songwriting with someone better than you (especially if they tend to control things musically), then even if you think of a basic idea... it's completely dependant on Prince to turn it into something special. Give him 3 notes and he'll make it sound beautiful, because he'll choose the right accompanying parts, the right phrasing, tweak it slightly, tell you where he feels the song needs to go, and then you can go around saying "I write this song!" all you want but without Prince's input (and filtering out of your other ideas) it simply wouldn't be anything at all. I've experienced this myself to some degree, so I have a giggle at the naivity of some songwriting discussions in the topic of giving credit. Give Prince 4 chords and 40 minutes later he'll walk out of the studio with a good song that "you" wrote. Even if you ask a professional lyricist to rhyme 'chance' with 'dance', they'll find a way to make it special for you if they're talented enough. I'd describe collaboration with Prince as collaboring with someone talented enough to turn any basic idea into gold... unfortunately, ego and ignorance are bound to incite disagreement over credit.

U are so on point with this! A good example of this is the number #1 hit "Kiss"....

jaawwnn said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

first said in the first Minneapolis Piano & Microphone Gala show that Lisa created it. But clarified in the second show that she "contributed a tiny chorus part of Raspberry Beret' that he wrote".

Why do U always try to undermine EVERYTHING does? What kind of Moderator are U?

Btw Lisa is my all time favorite keyboard & background vocal contributor..Her chords are intoxicating..Eye love Lisa. But tired of the Wendy & Lisa really created this song BS.

They didn't HE did....

It's quite clear that Sometimes it Snows was a collaboration between the three of them. Without any one of them it wouldn't be what it was.

Dez has a story of being on the bus when prince wrote Raspberry Beret so clearly a version of it had been knocking about for a while.

I don't think it's too hard to believe that these people contributed loads but ultimately it was Prince's vision. And I don't think anyone in this thread is saying much different.

None of the contributers in question say anything much different either, except for a handful of individual songs (and those are just on the level of possible co-writes). The whole thing in this thread was trolling by KCOOL--just as on the rare occasions when anyone does say anything along the lines of "W&L DID EVERYTHING" that person's trolling too.

Prince is obviously the primary source for the music that got all of us here--but without several of his band members' contributions (throughout his career, not just the Revolution period) the actual music in question would have been different. Why do we have to keep going over this, with people getting their undies all wadded up about it? Why do people keep acting like it's unusual? It's the case with other musicians too--why is it an insult to Prince to say it about him? And why is it significant that we keep saying it? We can note that Lisa did this, or Eric did that, or this came from Levi, or that's Josh's bit--without it somehow meaning Prince is a fraud or a crook. He's a musician working with other musicians to create music. Yep, he takes nearly all the songwriting credits--guess what? They're rightfully his. On some occasions, credit has been changed to rectify errors in attribution (intentional or not, we don't know), but Prince isn't stealing all his songs, and we all know it. If we claim otherwise, we're joking or dishonest.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

GoldStandard said:

People should understand...

When songwriting with someone better than you (especially if they tend to control things musically), then even if you think of a basic idea... it's completely dependant on Prince to turn it into something special. Give him 3 notes and he'll make it sound beautiful, because he'll choose the right accompanying parts, the right phrasing, tweak it slightly, tell you where he feels the song needs to go, and then you can go around saying "I write this song!" all you want but without Prince's input (and filtering out of your other ideas) it simply wouldn't be anything at all. I've experienced this myself to some degree, so I have a giggle at the naivity of some songwriting discussions in the topic of giving credit. Give Prince 4 chords and 40 minutes later he'll walk out of the studio with a good song that "you" wrote. Even if you ask a professional lyricist to rhyme 'chance' with 'dance', they'll find a way to make it special for you if they're talented enough. I'd describe collaboration with Prince as collaboring with someone talented enough to turn any basic idea into gold... unfortunately, ego and ignorance are bound to incite disagreement over credit.

U are so on point with this! A good example of this is the number #1 hit "Kiss"....

Okay, Kiss is a strange thing to bring up here. Kiss would never have gone from Prince's original idea to the track we all know without his giving it over to David Z and Mazarati. Its sound is not something he'd messed with before or, honestly, since. It stands out very clearly from his other work... he hadn't done it before, he hasn't done it since, and he didn't do it that time. He still gets, justifiably, every bit of the credit for writing the song. His lyrics, his melody, his tune. But if he'd gone into the studio to do it on his own, without the work the others put into it, there is no way on earth it would have turned out similar to how it did turn out. It might have been better (without the others' ideas he may have found something else really good) or it might have been worse, or he might have pretty much blown all the inspiration he had for the song already, and he might have never done anything with it--but Kiss as we know it would not have existed. Clearly the Mazarati recording isn't there yet--but it was a necessary step on the way to the finished song, and their shaping of the song mattered immensely.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

GoldStandard said:

People should understand...

When songwriting with someone better than you (especially if they tend to control things musically), then even if you think of a basic idea... it's completely dependant on Prince to turn it into something special. Give him 3 notes and he'll make it sound beautiful, because he'll choose the right accompanying parts, the right phrasing, tweak it slightly, tell you where he feels the song needs to go, and then you can go around saying "I write this song!" all you want but without Prince's input (and filtering out of your other ideas) it simply wouldn't be anything at all. I've experienced this myself to some degree, so I have a giggle at the naivity of some songwriting discussions in the topic of giving credit. Give Prince 4 chords and 40 minutes later he'll walk out of the studio with a good song that "you" wrote. Even if you ask a professional lyricist to rhyme 'chance' with 'dance', they'll find a way to make it special for you if they're talented enough. I'd describe collaboration with Prince as collaboring with someone talented enough to turn any basic idea into gold... unfortunately, ego and ignorance are bound to incite disagreement over credit.

U are so on point with this! A good example of this is the number #1 hit "Kiss"....

Seriously

You use Kiss as your example?
Kiss was done, when Prince got it back, he just put his vocals over it and added a touch

David Z, Brown Mark, Mazarati

GoldStandard said:

People should understand...

When songwriting with someone better than you (especially if they tend to control things musically), then even if you think of a basic idea... it's completely dependant on Prince to turn it into something special. Give him 3 notes and he'll make it sound beautiful, because he'll choose the right accompanying parts, the right phrasing, tweak it slightly, tell you where he feels the song needs to go, and then you can go around saying "I write this song!" all you want but without Prince's input (and filtering out of your other ideas) it simply wouldn't be anything at all. I've experienced this myself to some degree, so I have a giggle at the naivity of some songwriting discussions in the topic of giving credit. Give Prince 4 chords and 40 minutes later he'll walk out of the studio with a good song that "you" wrote. Even if you ask a professional lyricist to rhyme 'chance' with 'dance', they'll find a way to make it special for you if they're talented enough. I'd describe collaboration with Prince as collaboring with someone talented enough to turn any basic idea into gold... unfortunately, ego and ignorance are bound to incite disagreement over credit.

Most of us get that. We understand Prince is the center that things revolved around. We know that those that worked with him, worked to fulfill his vision.

OldFriends4Sale said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

U are so on point with this! A good example of this is the number #1 hit "Kiss"....

Seriously

You use Kiss as your example?
Kiss was done, when Prince got it back, he just put his vocals over it and added a touch

David Z, Brown Mark, Mazarati

Not true! recorded the demo(by himself). Gave it to Mazarati. David Z remixed & arranged it. took it back.Then put his lead vocal & rhythm guitar on it & turned it in2 a complete #1 billboard Hot 100 mAsTeRpIeCe! He was nice though & left Mazarati's backing vocals.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Seriously

You use Kiss as your example?
Kiss was done, when Prince got it back, he just put his vocals over it and added a touch

David Z, Brown Mark, Mazarati

Not true! recorded the demo(by himself). Gave it to Mazarati. David Z remixed & arranged it. took it back.Then put his lead vocal & rhythm guitar on it & turned it in2 a complete #1 billboard Hot 100 mAsTeRpIeCe! He was nice though & left Mazarati's backing vocals.

He didnt't just leave Mazarati's backing vocals - that dude pretty much prodeced what we all hear today.

EddieC said:

jaawwnn said:

It's quite clear that Sometimes it Snows was a collaboration between the three of them. Without any one of them it wouldn't be what it was.

Dez has a story of being on the bus when prince wrote Raspberry Beret so clearly a version of it had been knocking about for a while.

I don't think it's too hard to believe that these people contributed loads but ultimately it was Prince's vision. And I don't think anyone in this thread is saying much different.

None of the contributers in question say anything much different either, except for a handful of individual songs (and those are just on the level of possible co-writes). The whole thing in this thread was trolling by KCOOL--just as on the rare occasions when anyone does say anything along the lines of "W&L DID EVERYTHING" that person's trolling too.

Prince is obviously the primary source for the music that got all of us here--but without several of his band members' contributions (throughout his career, not just the Revolution period) the actual music in question would have been different. Why do we have to keep going over this, with people getting their undies all wadded up about it? Why do people keep acting like it's unusual? It's the case with other musicians too--why is it an insult to Prince to say it about him? And why is it significant that we keep saying it? We can note that Lisa did this, or Eric did that, or this came from Levi, or that's Josh's bit--without it somehow meaning Prince is a fraud or a crook. He's a musician working with other musicians to create music. Yep, he takes nearly all the songwriting credits--guess what? They're rightfully his. On some occasions, credit has been changed to rectify errors in attribution (intentional or not, we don't know), but Prince isn't stealing all his songs, and we all know it. If we claim otherwise, we're joking or dishonest.

Yeah, word.

In regards Kiss, I appreciate that a lot of the arrangment is Mazarati but how close to finished were they when Prince got his hands back on it? I've always wondered that. The version we have by them is good, very good even, but Prince's final version really adds the magic!

[Edited 3/10/16 9:07am]

jaawwnn said:

EddieC said:

None of the contributers in question say anything much different either, except for a handful of individual songs (and those are just on the level of possible co-writes). The whole thing in this thread was trolling by KCOOL--just as on the rare occasions when anyone does say anything along the lines of "W&L DID EVERYTHING" that person's trolling too.

Prince is obviously the primary source for the music that got all of us here--but without several of his band members' contributions (throughout his career, not just the Revolution period) the actual music in question would have been different. Why do we have to keep going over this, with people getting their undies all wadded up about it? Why do people keep acting like it's unusual? It's the case with other musicians too--why is it an insult to Prince to say it about him? And why is it significant that we keep saying it? We can note that Lisa did this, or Eric did that, or this came from Levi, or that's Josh's bit--without it somehow meaning Prince is a fraud or a crook. He's a musician working with other musicians to create music. Yep, he takes nearly all the songwriting credits--guess what? They're rightfully his. On some occasions, credit has been changed to rectify errors in attribution (intentional or not, we don't know), but Prince isn't stealing all his songs, and we all know it. If we claim otherwise, we're joking or dishonest.

Yeah, word.

In regards Kiss, I appreciate that a lot of the arrangment is Mazarati but how close to finished were they when Prince got his hands back on it? I've always wonderd that. The version we have by them is good, very good even, but Prince's final version really adds the magic!

IMO, The magic of "Kiss" is 40% down to the songwriting and 50% down to the production by David Z and Mazarati. The final 10% comes down to Prince's fantastic lead vocal performance. Of course that's just my personal take on it

Militant said:

jaawwnn said:

Yeah, word.

In regards Kiss, I appreciate that a lot of the arrangment is Mazarati but how close to finished were they when Prince got his hands back on it? I've always wonderd that. The version we have by them is good, very good even, but Prince's final version really adds the magic!

IMO, The magic of "Kiss" is 40% down to the songwriting and 50% down to the production by David Z and Mazarati. The final 10% comes down to Prince's fantastic lead vocal performance. Of course that's just my personal take on it

Some's gotta go to the guitar solo--that's pure fun. So... 51% Prince!

jaawwnn said:

EddieC said:

None of the contributers in question say anything much different either, except for a handful of individual songs (and those are just on the level of possible co-writes). The whole thing in this thread was trolling by KCOOL--just as on the rare occasions when anyone does say anything along the lines of "W&L DID EVERYTHING" that person's trolling too.

Prince is obviously the primary source for the music that got all of us here--but without several of his band members' contributions (throughout his career, not just the Revolution period) the actual music in question would have been different. Why do we have to keep going over this, with people getting their undies all wadded up about it? Why do people keep acting like it's unusual? It's the case with other musicians too--why is it an insult to Prince to say it about him? And why is it significant that we keep saying it? We can note that Lisa did this, or Eric did that, or this came from Levi, or that's Josh's bit--without it somehow meaning Prince is a fraud or a crook. He's a musician working with other musicians to create music. Yep, he takes nearly all the songwriting credits--guess what? They're rightfully his. On some occasions, credit has been changed to rectify errors in attribution (intentional or not, we don't know), but Prince isn't stealing all his songs, and we all know it. If we claim otherwise, we're joking or dishonest.

Yeah, word.

In regards Kiss, I appreciate that a lot of the arrangment is Mazarati but how close to finished were they when Prince got his hands back on it? I've always wondered that. The version we have by them is good, very good even, but Prince's final version really adds the magic!

[Edited 3/10/16 9:07am]

DAVID Z

"We did a bunch of songs for Mazarati's album,” Z recalls. "Then, when we needed a single, Prince gave me this demo of him just playing straight chords on an acoustic guitar — one verse and one chorus — while singing in a normal pitch; not the falsetto that's on the finished record. To us, it sounded like a folk song and we were wondering what we could do with it. No way was it funky. Anyway, starting with a LinnDrum, I programmed the beat and began experimenting. Taking a hi-hat from the drum machine, I ran it through a delay unit and switched between input and output and in the middle. That created a very funky rhythm. Then I took an acoustic guitar, played these open chords and gated that to the hi-hat trigger. The result was a really unique rhythm that was unbelievably funky but also impossible to actually play... I'm sure that sound influenced the fabulous new Daft Punk song 'Get Lucky', because it uses the same trick, with the guitar gated to some sort of rhythm and sequencer.

"Next, I remembered a little piano part from a Bo Diddley song called 'Say Man' and put it on there, and then Tony Christian sang the lead part, an octave lower than what Prince wound up doing. The background vocals I adapted from the Brenda Lee song 'Sweet Nothings' — good music is always taken from somewhere else — and that was that. The whole thing was done in a day.”

Or David Z and the guys in Mazarati thought it was. The fact is, in this form 'Kiss' sounded OK — a so-so dance number. However, Tony Christian's lead vocal was a little soulless and uninspiring, and when Prince heard the track he decided to head in a different direction... with himself at the helm.

"When I came back into the studio the next morning, Prince had already taken it off the machine, replaced the vocal with his own falsetto performance — which, I guess, he felt it needed — got rid of the bass part and added a James Brown 'Papa's Got A Brand New Bag' guitar lick,” Z recalls. "'What happened?' I asked, to which he replied, 'It's too good for you guys. I'm taking it back.'”

Boasting a four-octave range, Prince sang virtually the entire song in head voice, reverting to chest voice for the final line, as well as a single note before the last chorus. "At the time, I think he was into using a [Sennheiser MD] 441,” says Z.

"We only used nine tracks for that song, including a bass drum on one track, the rest of the drums on another and the hi-hat on a separate track. As for the lack of bass guitar, we always ran the kick drum through an [AMS] RMX16 and put it on the Reverse 2 setting to extend the tail of the reverb. That served as a kick drum and a bass, and it was a signature sound that we used all the time with Prince. We didn't need a real bass. And there was no reverb on anything else; just the kick. The guitar was dry and gated, and everything else sounded kind of different to the corporate rock that was on the radio at that time.”

Mazarati's backing vocals ended up on the finished record, yet this was scant compensation for what they had hoped would be their breakout hit.

"They were pissed,” says Z. "Prince had promised everyone a share of the songwriting credit, but that never happened and they were kind of mad about it.”