I asked this in the relevant show thread over in concerts, but since I really want to know about the studio track, I thought I'd bring it up over here in M&M as well.

So, in the first Melbourne show, Prince played (after Little Red Corvette) an instrumental that Princevault says is titled "A Place in Heaven." It supposedly was recorded in 1983-1984, and it has no connection with the song that Lisa later sang for the Dream Factory project. Princevault reports that the studio recording was around 15 minutes long (so the performance was just a snippet, really).

Has anyone here heard this outtake? I'm seriously intrigued, not just by the idea that it exists but also that I'd never heard any reference to it that I can remember.

http://princevault.com/in...en_(instr)

I'm officially thrown off.

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Averett said:

http://princevault.com/in...en_(instr)

I'm officially thrown off.

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This seems to be a new entry isn't it?

Unless Prince actually said during the performance that the instru was called APIH, the fact that they were able to determine that it was it seems to show that the 15 minutes instrumental is in the hands of some collectors.

I don´t understand how people knew that he played A Place in Heaven if nobody´s ever heard the 15 minute instrumental. Sure, we all know that other song off of the Dream Factory album but that 1983 instrumental tune is something I had never even heard of before I saw this thread.

databank said:

Averett said:

http://princevault.com/in...en_(instr)

I'm officially thrown off.

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This seems to be a new entry isn't it?

Unless Prince actually said during the performance that the instru was called APIH, the fact that they were able to determine that it was it seems to show that the 15 minutes instrumental is in the hands of some collectors.

Yep. If someone was able to identify what he played as being the same thing, then the original recording must be circulating amonst some people.

I assume it is circulating--I was hoping an orger had heard it.

Does the instrumental and the later song with vocals have anything in common? Chord structure etc?

paulludvig said:

Does the instrumental and the later song with vocals have anything in common? Chord structure etc?

http://princevault.com/index.php/A_Place_In_Heaven_(instr)

databank said:

paulludvig said:

Does the instrumental and the later song with vocals have anything in common? Chord structure etc?

http://princevault.com/index.php/A_Place_In_Heaven_(instr)

Thanks! But I've read what princevault have to say about the instrumental AND I've heard the live version from Melbourne. Listening to that version I tried to reconcile what I heard with the known version of the song, and there was SOME similarities. But not enough to think that what i heard was an interpretation of the version with vocals.

paulludvig said:

databank said:

http://princevault.com/index.php/A_Place_In_Heaven_(instr)

Thanks! But I've read what princevault have to say about the instrumental AND I've heard the live version from Melbourne. Listening to that version I tried to reconcile what I heard with the known version of the song, and there was SOME similarities. But not enough to think that what i heard was an interpretation of the version with vocals.

I'm not sure what you're asking. Everyone who's heard both (I haven't) say it's not the same track. What more do u want?

databank said:

paulludvig said:

Thanks! But I've read what princevault have to say about the instrumental AND I've heard the live version from Melbourne. Listening to that version I tried to reconcile what I heard with the known version of the song, and there was SOME similarities. But not enough to think that what i heard was an interpretation of the version with vocals.

I'm not sure what you're asking. Everyone who's heard both (I haven't) say it's not the same track. What more do u want?

It is not the same, but not completely different. I'm curious about the genesis of the song. Are A Place in Heaven instrumental and vocal version connected?

paulludvig said:

databank said:

I'm not sure what you're asking. Everyone who's heard both (I haven't) say it's not the same track. What more do u want?

It is not the same, but not completely different. I'm curious about the genesis of the song. Are A Place in Heaven instrumental and vocal version connected?

From what I can read, barely.

"A Place In Heaven is an unreleased instrumental piece with the same title as a song recorded on 27 March, 1986, but has seemingly little to nothing to do with it other than it also being in a 3/4 time signature"

I don't think there's anything more to it, unless Madhouseman got something more specific about it while researching that era (for all I know he may be the source of Princevault's info).

But basically one can assume that Prince having composed very few 3/4 tracks in his career remembered that instrumental when he began working on the 1986 APIH and that it may have inspired him to compose the lyrics around the instrumental's original title.

IDK really, just speculation but it'd make sense

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databank said:

paulludvig said:

It is not the same, but not completely different. I'm curious about the genesis of the song. Are A Place in Heaven instrumental and vocal version connected?

From what I can read, barely.

"A Place In Heaven is an unreleased instrumental piece with the same title as a song recorded on 27 March, 1986, but has seemingly little to nothing to do with it other than it also being in a 3/4 time signature"

I don't think there's anything more to it, unless Madhouseman got something more specific about it while researching that era (for all I know he may be the source of Princevault's info).

But basically one can assume that Prince having composed very few 3/4 tracks in his career remembered that instrumental when he began working on the 1986 APIH and that it may have inspired him to compose the lyrics around the instrumental's original title.

IDK really, just speculation but it'd make sense

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Either that or he remembered that title and thought it could make a good base for a song and composed the 86 track in 3/4 because of that.

I thought the 86 composition was all Lisa

Sorta off topic...

A Place in Heaven would be a killer name for an album from Prince.

I'm thinking he should cop it for his next release.

It's a cinematic type title. It would make an awesome movie title and concept, too.